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WW3 Europe front. UPDATE page 532 -February 2024, the decisive month

 
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Thread: Uh oh Iran, Turkey, Argentina, Saudi Arabia and Egypt leave the US-UK-Israel-NATOSTAN Axis of evil

This is very interesting considering that Putin has planned visits to Iran and Turkey on his near term schedule.
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bump as leaders are really beginning to jump ship.

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I will try to gather my thoughts considering how much had happened since I was banned, and put them in a fashionable order, as much as I possibly can.


First, I want to get rid of some events that are minor, and not having a real impact. Boris resigning is only a sign that there is some backlash in the U.K. politics, due to sanctions backfiring. But, the U.K. stance regarding Russia, Ukraine and their side on WW3 will not change.


Secondly, the killing of Shinzo Abe. A tragic event (a man was killed) that have no meaning whatsoever, except for Japan.



Having that put aside, I will start with Putin's last speech. What he said is important, very important actually, especially the part that "we haven't started in earnest yet in Ukraine" and "if the West wants to defeat us on the battlefield, they can try", but what is more important is Putin's body language while he was having his speech.



He looked happy. Well, as happy as a former KGB officer can look. Clearly he knows he is in control of the events. After a series of gatherings (from St.Petersburg, to BRICS, to Caspin Sea and Foreign Ministers G20) it is clear, at least for me, that Russia secured the rest of the world, either support (China, India, Brazil, Indonesia) either non-involvement (lots of countries, too big of a list) either slowly detaching some countries from the U.S. influence (Mexico, Argentina).



The speech came on the heels of those meeting, and also on the heels of the massive win in Lysychansk-Sieverodonetsk area.



On the economic side, Russia is winning and the West is losing. Time is on Russia's side, and they know it. The West also knows it.



There are several things that I am expecting to happen before this month is over. I have estimated that by the end of July, Ukraine fate will be sealed : their army will be reduced to an insignificant force. Mid-June I gave Ukraine 6 weeks before their army will be defeated. Time is running out for Ukraine, as a nation.



The only thing I do not know is if the West will escalate before Ukraine army is defeated, and keep the war in Ukraine as long as possible, before it spills over in Europe, or entrench in Eastern Europe and wait for the inevitable Russian advance towards NATO borders.



Militarily, it makes perfect sense for NATO to escalate to WW3 before Ukraine army is defeated, but I am not sure that the West have all the marbles in place to do so. It remains to be seen.




I am expecting a MASSIVE Russian offensive in Ukraine, once the order is given. This "pause" that lasted for a week is almost over. Once Russian re-deployment is complete, the world will witness the biggest battle since WW2.


The way things are looking on the field, as much as I could gather, Russia will attack on multiple axes, but the main 2 will be from Izyum towards Slavyansk-Kramatorsk, and from east towards Siversk-Bakhmut line.



I expect heavy Ukrainian resistance, but it will be short lived, and will end up with at least 20,000 dead/captured Ukrainian soldiers in a matter of weeks. Russians will have their losses too, mainly among militias, but not more then 2,000 dead.



It is going to be bloody. 60,000 Russian and allied troops will face off around 80,000 Ukrainian troops, of which most will be weak trained and poor armed Territorial Defense Units.


Aside Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, which will be surrounded, everything else in the Russian path will be overrun. Siversk, Bakhmut, Konstantinovka, and smaller towns and villages will fell fast.


Slavyanks and Kramatorsk will not stand up for long, once they are encircled.



This offensive is the most critical period for all sides, and the most risky for escalation.



One aspect I must address is HIMARS. 8 of them aren't going to change the outcome in Ukraine. It is simply not enough firepower for a frontline that is 1,000 km long.

However, there are rumors that the U.S. delivered 300km range missiles for HIMARS. If the rumors are true, we will see Ukraine hitting deep into Russian supply lines inside Ukraine.


I hope that Ukraine will not use those missiles to hit Russia proper, but to be sincere, I believe that Ukraine will use them to attack Russia proper, because I see no point in delivering those long range missiles (if the rumors are true) unless to provoke Russia.


Matters not if the missiles have 300 km range, there are still only 8 HIMARS (possibly down to 6), and range doesn't change shit unless coupled with quantity.


Ukraine knows well that without West DIRECT involvement, they will lose the war, and highly possibly their statehood. Those long range missiles will trigger a Russian response that will either be directed at NATO bases, or a massive retaliation across the whole Ukraine, which will be used by the West to intervene.



Then there is Lithuania. The back-up plan. Will see how this develops. But it is not as high risk of escalation (for now) compared to the imminent defeat of Ukrainian army.



The date I really expect to tell us where this conflict is going is July 21st, when the Nordstream 1 should re-start gas deliveries to Europe, after "reparations" are over.


I personally expect that Russia will either stop gas deliveries (if anything big enough happens till then to somewhat justify this) or will just trickle some gas in order to keep Europe on it's toes and use it as a leverage to break Germany off sanctions. Not that Russia gives a shit about lifting sanctions, but if Germany caves, it is another nail in the West coffin.



If there won't be any escalation this month or the next (but I highly believe that it will be), come September, Russia will have defeated Ukrainian army, will have Odessa and Kharkiv conquered, and will start moving towards Kiev and Central Ukraine, with minimal resistance on their way.



The energy and food crisis, along inflation and supply chains being even more broken, will get worse, with every passing week.


There is just too much shit hitting too many fans, the globalists are keen in CONTINUING their agenda, like nothing happened, and all those flying shits will end up in a big shit hitting a giant fan before winter.
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And yet, it is happening as I expected. Siverks will be done in 48 hours. Slavyanks will come under siege in 48-73 hours. Soledar will be done by morning, and Bakmut will be next. The entire line between Siversk and Bakhmut will be fell by Monday.

And what ever is left for the current month, is Slavyanks and Kramatorsk. This Russia offensive is, as I expected, massive. It will be fast, faster then anything before.



But hey, if you are really from Poland, I understand your frustration and fear. Your country is a prime target for Russia, thanks to your dumbass government and a big part of the population.


The dumbass Romanian government is really trying to make my country also a prime target for Russia, but at least most people in Romania are realistic (you call realistic people Russian shills) and understand that NATO is nothing but Hollywood movies and unable to actually fight wars against peers.



Try look around, with attention. Things are changing, and not going the way the globalists want. Prepare for a massive overhaul of the reality you currently live in.

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Thread: Uh oh Iran, Turkey, Argentina, Saudi Arabia and Egypt leave the US-UK-Israel-NATOSTAN Axis of evil

This is very interesting considering that Putin has planned visits to Iran and Turkey on his near term schedule.
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Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, if will join BRICS, will deal a massive blow to the globalists.


They understand where the wind blows, and the end of the globalist wet dream is inevitable.
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Serbian President Vucic: "I know what awaits us. As soon as Vladimir Putin takes Seversk, Bakhmut, Soledar, and then the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk-Avdeevka area, he will come up with a proposal. If they don't accept it, and they (the West) don't intend to, all hell will break loose"
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Serbian President Vucic: "I know what awaits us. As soon as Vladimir Putin takes Seversk, Bakhmut, Soledar, and then the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk-Avdeevka area, he will come up with a proposal. If they don't accept it, and they (the West) don't intend to, all hell will break loose"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83851053



In addition to Putin-Duma meeting, there is also a Putin meeting with Federation Security Council today.


This was something I considered in my last update, an additional meeting with either the Federation Council or Security Council, because just a Putin-Duma meeting on 15th, didn't make any sense whatsoever, if the topic would be something trivial.


You don't call Duma from vacation to talk them about taxes or whatever mundane crap.



So, we got 2 meetings now today : Putin-Duma and Putin-Security Council. This means important decisions regarding security of the Russian Federation.



The Serbian President didn't said anything that wasn't seen a mile away. Obviously Putin will demand Ukraine to capitulate, once Donbass is freed of Ukrainian troops, and obviously the West will NOT accept those term.



Such demands cannot be made with 150,000 troops on a 1,000 km front line, with next cities in line being MAJOR cities : Kharkiv, Zaporoje, Odessa, Poltava, Krivoy Rog.


To have more then 150,000 troops means that Russia will either move a truckload of additional troops in Ukraine, and such a move needs to be either decided by the Duma, or Duma to give Putin the power to do it, but it will imply reservist mobilization, at least a partial one, altho not necessarily.



Still, looking at these 2 meetings, I expect now, unlike yesterday, something major to come out from Moscow.
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It seems there's been no significant news from the meetings
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It seems there's been no significant news from the meetings
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There is NO NEWS from the meetings, significant or not, which in itself it's significant, either because the talks are still ongoing, or because what they talked about is secret.


Maybe we will know later on, or tomorrow.



Still, weird that there is NOTHING about the meetings in Russian media.
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About the DUMA meeting...

[link to warnews247-gr.translate.goog (secure)]

Duma emergency meeting: Putin chastises Deputy Prime Minister over HIMARS – Paving the way for supply of drones from Iran

This article is worth reading. Some highlights:

Russian media reports that the war in Ukraine has "ousted" the head of Russian "defense", Vice President Yuri Borisov.
...
In the Cabinet, it was he, in the role of first deputy of the Military-Industrial Committee, who was responsible for the Russian "defense industry" and space.
...
It is impossible not to pay attention to this fact. At this time most, if not all, operations of the Russian military-industrial complex are effectively being moved into mobilization orbit. Many defense plants across Russia are switching to triple-shift (ie, round-the-clock) operation.
...

It is quite possible that the last straw was the M142 HIMARS MLRS. Since the last days of June, only eight such American MLRS units sent to Ukraine have become a real disaster for the Russian army both in Donbass and near Kherson. And soon Ukraine will be reinforced with them as their number will increase to twelve.

There are still very few of them in Ukraine. But where HIMARS appear, Ukrainians get quality. These weapons hit Russian areas at great depth, up to 90 kilometers behind the front. And with amazing accuracy.

We observed the results of such crushing blows, for example, on July 12 in Nova Kakhovka. Three out of six American missiles were shot down. But the other three ended up where they were sent, in huge warehouses.

The scale of the devastation in Novaya Kakhovka last Tuesday was described by eyewitnesses as appalling. Hundreds of buildings were destroyed and damaged in the city, there were dead and many injured.

And the next night (July 13), a pair of HIMARS from near Artemovsk (Bakhmut) fired nine missiles at Luhansk at a range of about 90 kilometers. Again, some of them were shot down. But the rest hit the air defense systems protecting the city.

HIMARS in Ukraine have already turned into a big problem for Russia. The destructive nature of such an attack forces the Russian command to remove ammunition from the front line. And then shells, mines and rockets will have to be transported to the battle positions only by trucks. This creates accounting support problems.

What's worse is that HIMARS cannot be hit easily as they travel after impact at speeds of up to 80 kilometers per hour.


All of that reinforces what was previously mentioned by DR. Those weapons won't change the outcome of the battle, but it can bite the Russian army quite hard, creating logistical problems, disrupting the pace of operations... it can also disable air defenses, opening a window for the Ukrainians to attack with whichever weapons they still have.

SO at least part of this DUMA meeting had to do with this new development. The Russians should be wise not to underestimating the potential damage that US interference can still inflict, and it won't stop until there will be major escalation, forcing someone (likely the west) to blink.

One thing is certain.... Putin is realizing that a major confrontation will be inevitable and it appears that now he is starting to make serious preparations (should have made even before feb 24th - but better later then never eh).

On to the security council meeting news
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Emergency Security Council Convening by B.Putin: Puts the Defense Industry on Full War Mobilization & Prepares Mobilization

Some highlights:

The concern and mystery surrounding the emergency convocation of the Duma is intensifying as B. Putin simultaneously convened an emergency National Security Council. Obviously something serious is going on in the background.

According to what has become known, the president of Russia signed decrees on the transition to a "war economy". Some of the details that have become known speak of conscription procedures and laws that give superpowers in order for the military-industrial complex to be put on full war mobilization.

Everything shows that there will be an extension of the war in Ukraine. Kharkiv, Odessa or even strengthening forces in the Kaliningrad enclave.

In addition, the fact that the US suddenly issued a travel advisory after so many months of war calling on Americans to leave Ukraine immediately is also worrying. Why now and why again after so long?

...

At the same time, the Embassy of the United States of America appealed to its citizens not to enter the territory of Ukraine and to leave immediately if they have not already done so.
...
The embassy also asks Americans to avoid mass gatherings and organized events, as they can be targeted by the Russian military anywhere in Ukraine, including the western regions.


------------------

well there it is. So definitely they are preparing to expand the military operation.

The big question is if Russia is already realizing that the US won't stop ever, and that taking just incremental steps "ad-infinitum" is precisely what the US expects until Russia is bled dry.... OR... Russia will preempt with the necessary force capable of making the US back-off for good?
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Maybe the West is so sick because of all the BS we are fed by our financial masters.
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It looks like a major False Flag Psyop event just happened in Dnipro, it seems to be the event that escalates the situation. Since Russia didn't want to escalate, and the USA can't, a False Flag event really seemed to be on the horizon.

What's your opinion OP?
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About the DUMA meeting...

[link to warnews247-gr.translate.goog (secure)]

Duma emergency meeting: Putin chastises Deputy Prime Minister over HIMARS – Paving the way for supply of drones from Iran

This article is worth reading. Some highlights:

Russian media reports that the war in Ukraine has "ousted" the head of Russian "defense", Vice President Yuri Borisov.
...
In the Cabinet, it was he, in the role of first deputy of the Military-Industrial Committee, who was responsible for the Russian "defense industry" and space.
...
It is impossible not to pay attention to this fact. At this time most, if not all, operations of the Russian military-industrial complex are effectively being moved into mobilization orbit. Many defense plants across Russia are switching to triple-shift (ie, round-the-clock) operation.
...

It is quite possible that the last straw was the M142 HIMARS MLRS. Since the last days of June, only eight such American MLRS units sent to Ukraine have become a real disaster for the Russian army both in Donbass and near Kherson. And soon Ukraine will be reinforced with them as their number will increase to twelve.

There are still very few of them in Ukraine. But where HIMARS appear, Ukrainians get quality. These weapons hit Russian areas at great depth, up to 90 kilometers behind the front. And with amazing accuracy.

We observed the results of such crushing blows, for example, on July 12 in Nova Kakhovka. Three out of six American missiles were shot down. But the other three ended up where they were sent, in huge warehouses.

The scale of the devastation in Novaya Kakhovka last Tuesday was described by eyewitnesses as appalling. Hundreds of buildings were destroyed and damaged in the city, there were dead and many injured.

And the next night (July 13), a pair of HIMARS from near Artemovsk (Bakhmut) fired nine missiles at Luhansk at a range of about 90 kilometers. Again, some of them were shot down. But the rest hit the air defense systems protecting the city.

HIMARS in Ukraine have already turned into a big problem for Russia. The destructive nature of such an attack forces the Russian command to remove ammunition from the front line. And then shells, mines and rockets will have to be transported to the battle positions only by trucks. This creates accounting support problems.

What's worse is that HIMARS cannot be hit easily as they travel after impact at speeds of up to 80 kilometers per hour.


All of that reinforces what was previously mentioned by DR. Those weapons won't change the outcome of the battle, but it can bite the Russian army quite hard, creating logistical problems, disrupting the pace of operations... it can also disable air defenses, opening a window for the Ukrainians to attack with whichever weapons they still have.

SO at least part of this DUMA meeting had to do with this new development. The Russians should be wise not to underestimating the potential damage that US interference can still inflict, and it won't stop until there will be major escalation, forcing someone (likely the west) to blink.

One thing is certain.... Putin is realizing that a major confrontation will be inevitable and it appears that now he is starting to make serious preparations (should have made even before feb 24th - but better later then never eh).

On to the security council meeting news
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1. Yuri Borisov was not ousted. He was moved from an inferior position (deputy prime minister in charge of weapons industry, except space and nukes) to a highly superior position (president of Roscosmos, basically the chief of nukes, among others).


2. HIMARS won't change shit, especially if they are being used once a week. They used HIMARS TWICE since they got them 3 weeks ago. It won't force any change in Russian military.


Basically, a lot of crap is being assumed about the Duma meeting. There is no need for Duma in order to reshuffle, demote or promote governmental officials in Russia. Strictly military matters don't require any Duma meetings, and assuming Putin informed Duma about HIMARS is really out there.



If I realized that Russia will be at total war against West, and I believe they prepared for this at least since 2013, I am sure as hell that Putin knows this as well, and it is fully prepared for this conflict, as fully prepared as Russia can be.
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[link to warnews247-gr.translate.goog (secure)]

Emergency Security Council Convening by B.Putin: Puts the Defense Industry on Full War Mobilization & Prepares Mobilization

Some highlights:

The concern and mystery surrounding the emergency convocation of the Duma is intensifying as B. Putin simultaneously convened an emergency National Security Council. Obviously something serious is going on in the background.

According to what has become known, the president of Russia signed decrees on the transition to a "war economy". Some of the details that have become known speak of conscription procedures and laws that give superpowers in order for the military-industrial complex to be put on full war mobilization.

Everything shows that there will be an extension of the war in Ukraine. Kharkiv, Odessa or even strengthening forces in the Kaliningrad enclave.

In addition, the fact that the US suddenly issued a travel advisory after so many months of war calling on Americans to leave Ukraine immediately is also worrying. Why now and why again after so long?

...

At the same time, the Embassy of the United States of America appealed to its citizens not to enter the territory of Ukraine and to leave immediately if they have not already done so.
...
The embassy also asks Americans to avoid mass gatherings and organized events, as they can be targeted by the Russian military anywhere in Ukraine, including the western regions.


------------------

well there it is. So definitely they are preparing to expand the military operation.

The big question is if Russia is already realizing that the US won't stop ever, and that taking just incremental steps "ad-infinitum" is precisely what the US expects until Russia is bled dry.... OR... Russia will preempt with the necessary force capable of making the US back-off for good?
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Obviously Russia is preparing for war against West. It is damn clear.


Russia can obliterate Ukraine, if they want to do so, without war mobilization of anything, be it reservists, the industrial complex or whatever.


But an open war against West will surely NEED everything in place to be activated at a moment's notice.



Now, your source for the Duma meeting and Federation Security Council meeting is a source that it is basically a Debka File in Greek language, with a better site. They are about 90% wrong, 5% right, and 5% fantasy.


I do not dismiss all of their information, but I avoid as hell as using this source.



They are ASSUMING that Duma meeting was because of this, the Federation Security Council was about that, but in the end, one thing is CLEAR :


We still have NO OFFICIAL SOURCE about what was the topic or the decisions took in any of these meeting, because reshuffling some officials does NOT require Duma in any shape or form, and the preparations for industrial complex to be put on war footing was taken BEFORE those meetings.


As for military mobilization plans, this is an ASSUMPTION, and there is no official source that confirms it.



Basically, we have NO IDEA what Putin talked about in either of those 2 meetings yesterday.
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It looks like a major False Flag Psyop event just happened in Dnipro, it seems to be the event that escalates the situation. Since Russia didn't want to escalate, and the USA can't, a False Flag event really seemed to be on the horizon.

What's your opinion OP?
 Quoting: Mr.Borg



Well, one one side, Russia did hit Dnipropetrovsk with cruise missiles. As in any cruise missile hit before, Russia targeted MILITARY objectives.


On the other side, it is not Russia's fault if Ukraine is stockpiling ammo in schools or churches, have high ranking military meetings in hotels in the middle of a city, or parks tanks and missile launchers right next to a hospital.


A military objective is not defined by location.



So, a false flag? I don't think so. Russia did hit military targets that were using civilian infrastructure, so the possibility of civilian victims is high.



HOWEVER, exacerbating civilian deaths or plainly FAKING those deaths is a false flag.



I have ZERO trust in any info coming from Ukrainian and Western sources, especially if they are "supporting" their claims, in 2022, with PHOTOS.



I have yet to see a video of the 4 year old girl and her mother AFTER they were hit by shrapnel. I see videos of them BEFORE that, alive and strolling, but AFTER, I only see PHOTOS.



Which means that something STINKS. They are as dead as is the pregnant woman from Mariupol, who posted a video being alive and well, her and her baby, 2 days after Ukraine claimed she was killed by a Russian strike on the hospital.



Ukraine and the West, not being in a position to win militarily, will resort to propaganda, lies, fakes and false flags. It's all they can do, because militarily, they don't stand a chance against Russia.

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waitin g for 'news' ? ?
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Obviously.


We still got NOTHING about Putin meeting with the Federation Security Council.



Another thing that confirms my assessment of a rapid advance of Russian offensive is Shoigu's today order on a full on offensive on all areas, this time with FULL INVOLVEMENT of Russian military, not just artillery support for militias, Chechens and Wagner.



I believe that within 48-72 hours we will witness the most massive cruise missile attack to date across Ukraine, far greater then anything before.



This will be the prelude of the final push and utter defeat of Ukrainian army, which I expect to happen, as I previously said, before this month is over.

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OP what do you think of the potential false flag in NYC where the American government will blame Russia to enter the war?
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i think the story of the cargo crashed in greece is interesting. maybe the russians have started to hit enemy targets inside nato borders?
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83856451



Obviously.


We still got NOTHING about Putin meeting with the Federation Security Council.



Another thing that confirms my assessment of a rapid advance of Russian offensive is Shoigu's today order on a full on offensive on all areas, this time with FULL INVOLVEMENT of Russian military, not just artillery support for militias, Chechens and Wagner.



I believe that within 48-72 hours we will witness the most massive cruise missile attack to date across Ukraine, far greater then anything before.



This will be the prelude of the final push and utter defeat of Ukrainian army, which I expect to happen, as I previously said, before this month is over.
 Quoting: Recollector




Looks like this "final push" is not going to happen in the window I have previously believe to happen (48-72 hours).


It might be because several things that need to happen before that, one being cutting off the natural gas to Europe (which, as much as the force majeure announced by Gazprom points to, it is not yet coming out of Putin, Lavrov or Medvedev mouth bluntly say that Russia will stop the natural gas deliveries).


The second one is the meeting currently in Tehran, between Russia, Turkey and Iran, which is extremely important, from Syria situation to even a possible Russian delivery advanced anti-air defense to Iran up to even Russia extending it's nuclear umbrella over Iran.


The third is highly likely Ukraine stupidly throwing way to much into Siverks-Soledar-Bakhmut line, which will change nothing, except that this line will hold LONGER, but Slavyanks-Kramatorsk will fell FASTER.



However, when, not if, the final push happens, which it didn't started when I expected, it is still imminent, a question of days, maybe more, if Ukraine keeps throwing whatever they have left into Bakhmut-Siversk line.



But it is coming. And fast.
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Obviously.


We still got NOTHING about Putin meeting with the Federation Security Council.



Another thing that confirms my assessment of a rapid advance of Russian offensive is Shoigu's today order on a full on offensive on all areas, this time with FULL INVOLVEMENT of Russian military, not just artillery support for militias, Chechens and Wagner.



I believe that within 48-72 hours we will witness the most massive cruise missile attack to date across Ukraine, far greater then anything before.



This will be the prelude of the final push and utter defeat of Ukrainian army, which I expect to happen, as I previously said, before this month is over.
 Quoting: Recollector




Looks like this "final push" is not going to happen in the window I have previously believe to happen (48-72 hours).


It might be because several things that need to happen before that, one being cutting off the natural gas to Europe (which, as much as the force majeure announced by Gazprom points to, it is not yet coming out of Putin, Lavrov or Medvedev mouth bluntly say that Russia will stop the natural gas deliveries).


The second one is the meeting currently in Tehran, between Russia, Turkey and Iran, which is extremely important, from Syria situation to even a possible Russian delivery advanced anti-air defense to Iran up to even Russia extending it's nuclear umbrella over Iran.


The third is highly likely Ukraine stupidly throwing way to much into Siverks-Soledar-Bakhmut line, which will change nothing, except that this line will hold LONGER, but Slavyanks-Kramatorsk will fell FASTER.



However, when, not if, the final push happens, which it didn't started when I expected, it is still imminent, a question of days, maybe more, if Ukraine keeps throwing whatever they have left into Bakhmut-Siversk line.



But it is coming. And fast.
 Quoting: Recollector



Thanks Recollector for your update :-) cheers.
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Obviously.


We still got NOTHING about Putin meeting with the Federation Security Council.



Another thing that confirms my assessment of a rapid advance of Russian offensive is Shoigu's today order on a full on offensive on all areas, this time with FULL INVOLVEMENT of Russian military, not just artillery support for militias, Chechens and Wagner.



I believe that within 48-72 hours we will witness the most massive cruise missile attack to date across Ukraine, far greater then anything before.



This will be the prelude of the final push and utter defeat of Ukrainian army, which I expect to happen, as I previously said, before this month is over.
 Quoting: Recollector




Looks like this "final push" is not going to happen in the window I have previously believe to happen (48-72 hours).


It might be because several things that need to happen before that, one being cutting off the natural gas to Europe (which, as much as the force majeure announced by Gazprom points to, it is not yet coming out of Putin, Lavrov or Medvedev mouth bluntly say that Russia will stop the natural gas deliveries).


The second one is the meeting currently in Tehran, between Russia, Turkey and Iran, which is extremely important, from Syria situation to even a possible Russian delivery advanced anti-air defense to Iran up to even Russia extending it's nuclear umbrella over Iran.


The third is highly likely Ukraine stupidly throwing way to much into Siverks-Soledar-Bakhmut line, which will change nothing, except that this line will hold LONGER, but Slavyanks-Kramatorsk will fell FASTER.



However, when, not if, the final push happens, which it didn't started when I expected, it is still imminent, a question of days, maybe more, if Ukraine keeps throwing whatever they have left into Bakhmut-Siversk line.



But it is coming. And fast.
 Quoting: Recollector


Russia is gearing for a big expansion of it's offensive in Ukraine. The DUMA meeting etc. was all about setting the framework for the near-immediate future of operations. But there is several things at play so how soon we will see some kind of "shock and awe" is still in the air. Probably before august 1st, if nothing major happens.

And the next potential escalation flash-point seems to be the Crimean bridge:

[link to warnews247-gr.translate.goog (secure)]
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Today's event shows that the Ukrainians are preparing to make the fatal mistake and even hit Crimea which will open the gates of hell in the region.

It is no coincidence that when US officials were asked whether HIMARS can be used in Crimea, the answer given was "Crimea is Ukraine".

“The United States does not and will never recognize Russia's alleged annexation of Crimea. We will continue to resist Russia's unprovoked and unjustified war against the people of Ukraine," a US State Department official said.

A Ukrainian intelligence official added that Ukrainian forces should begin attacking Russian facilities in Crimea with the HIMARS system.
==============

It's not whether HIMARS can change shit in the battlefront (indeed it can't). Rather it is how it CAN enable Ukraine to successfully attack high-value, high-profile targets like the Crimean bridge for instance. Russia already draw strong Red-lines regarding this. Now we will see how serious US/NATO are about provoking Russia into some serious escalation (not only inside Ukraine but possibly outside).

Here's Medvedev statement regarding this:

If this happens, they will be faced with a disaster, very fast and hard, immediately. There will be no avoiding it. They will be very hard to hide.

So the red line was drawn. It shouldn't take much longer for everybody to find out.

And this is the kind of "unforeseen shit" that can change the current calculus. But barring something like that happening, Russia should finish the donbass part soon enough. Then it will have to continue anyways for the reasons already mentioned by you. The US realizing that Russia won't stop anytime soon might concoct some shit to force Russia to escalate. If not this Crimea bridge thing or if not now, then something else or later. As you said, we don't know yet how determined US is regarding Ukraine. Either they will let it go or... they will find some way to provoke Russia by stirring some major shit.

The latest headline:

[link to warnews247-gr.translate.goog (secure)]


For 24 hours, Russian artillery pounded the entire Ukrainian defense line in the Donbass with unprecedented ferocity. The Ukrainians have not managed to "take a breath".

It is perhaps the first day since the start of the war in Ukraine that the Russian artillery has not stopped.

The Russians have launched an overwhelming attack against Ukrainian positions mainly in Avdiivka and Maryinka. Ukrainians are also under great pressure in Kramatorsk, Konstantinovka and Artemovsk.
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Obviously.


We still got NOTHING about Putin meeting with the Federation Security Council.



Another thing that confirms my assessment of a rapid advance of Russian offensive is Shoigu's today order on a full on offensive on all areas, this time with FULL INVOLVEMENT of Russian military, not just artillery support for militias, Chechens and Wagner.



I believe that within 48-72 hours we will witness the most massive cruise missile attack to date across Ukraine, far greater then anything before.



This will be the prelude of the final push and utter defeat of Ukrainian army, which I expect to happen, as I previously said, before this month is over.
 Quoting: Recollector




Looks like this "final push" is not going to happen in the window I have previously believe to happen (48-72 hours).


It might be because several things that need to happen before that, one being cutting off the natural gas to Europe (which, as much as the force majeure announced by Gazprom points to, it is not yet coming out of Putin, Lavrov or Medvedev mouth bluntly say that Russia will stop the natural gas deliveries).


The second one is the meeting currently in Tehran, between Russia, Turkey and Iran, which is extremely important, from Syria situation to even a possible Russian delivery advanced anti-air defense to Iran up to even Russia extending it's nuclear umbrella over Iran.


The third is highly likely Ukraine stupidly throwing way to much into Siverks-Soledar-Bakhmut line, which will change nothing, except that this line will hold LONGER, but Slavyanks-Kramatorsk will fell FASTER.



However, when, not if, the final push happens, which it didn't started when I expected, it is still imminent, a question of days, maybe more, if Ukraine keeps throwing whatever they have left into Bakhmut-Siversk line.



But it is coming. And fast.
 Quoting: Recollector


Russia is gearing for a big expansion of it's offensive in Ukraine. The DUMA meeting etc. was all about setting the framework for the near-immediate future of operations. But there is several things at play so how soon we will see some kind of "shock and awe" is still in the air. Probably before august 1st, if nothing major happens.

And the next potential escalation flash-point seems to be the Crimean bridge:

[link to warnews247-gr.translate.goog (secure)]
---------
Today's event shows that the Ukrainians are preparing to make the fatal mistake and even hit Crimea which will open the gates of hell in the region.

It is no coincidence that when US officials were asked whether HIMARS can be used in Crimea, the answer given was "Crimea is Ukraine".

“The United States does not and will never recognize Russia's alleged annexation of Crimea. We will continue to resist Russia's unprovoked and unjustified war against the people of Ukraine," a US State Department official said.

A Ukrainian intelligence official added that Ukrainian forces should begin attacking Russian facilities in Crimea with the HIMARS system.
==============

It's not whether HIMARS can change shit in the battlefront (indeed it can't). Rather it is how it CAN enable Ukraine to successfully attack high-value, high-profile targets like the Crimean bridge for instance. Russia already draw strong Red-lines regarding this. Now we will see how serious US/NATO are about provoking Russia into some serious escalation (not only inside Ukraine but possibly outside).

Here's Medvedev statement regarding this:

If this happens, they will be faced with a disaster, very fast and hard, immediately. There will be no avoiding it. They will be very hard to hide.

So the red line was drawn. It shouldn't take much longer for everybody to find out.

And this is the kind of "unforeseen shit" that can change the current calculus. But barring something like that happening, Russia should finish the donbass part soon enough. Then it will have to continue anyways for the reasons already mentioned by you. The US realizing that Russia won't stop anytime soon might concoct some shit to force Russia to escalate. If not this Crimea bridge thing or if not now, then something else or later. As you said, we don't know yet how determined US is regarding Ukraine. Either they will let it go or... they will find some way to provoke Russia by stirring some major shit.

The latest headline:

[link to warnews247-gr.translate.goog (secure)]


For 24 hours, Russian artillery pounded the entire Ukrainian defense line in the Donbass with unprecedented ferocity. The Ukrainians have not managed to "take a breath".

It is perhaps the first day since the start of the war in Ukraine that the Russian artillery has not stopped.

The Russians have launched an overwhelming attack against Ukrainian positions mainly in Avdiivka and Maryinka. Ukrainians are also under great pressure in Kramatorsk, Konstantinovka and Artemovsk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83855990



There was a similar period of non-stop artillery strikes before Popasna fell.


I believe we will see another breakthrough of Ukrainian lines, at least in one place, if not more.


The attacks now are multi-directional, and while every other attacks before Popasna was a feint, I believe this time Russians are aiming for multiple breakthroughs along Donbass.


Ukraine is throwing more and more men into the meat grinder, achieving nothing but, as I said, prolonging the fights on current front lines, at the expense of a much short lived resistance on Slavyanks-Kramatorsk.
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Do you not find all these resignations suspicious ?

And Biden with COVID?

Was this the ultimatum?
("remove your tyrants from the thrones")
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Do you not find all these resignations suspicious ?

And Biden with COVID?

Was this the ultimatum?
("remove your tyrants from the thrones")
 Quoting: Mr.Borg



I have a theory on the resignations, but only if there will be more, not just 2.


Italy is changing governments like socks. So, Draghi resignation and Parliament being dissolved is not an extraordinary event. It is pretty damn ordinary for Italy.


Boris is basically the only resignation that can be considered extraordinary, but it is still not as extraordinary as it seems. Remember Teresa, and her resignation. Pretty much the same impact, same government, same political lines, etc.


When Scholtz will resign, when France will have a new government and when TURDeau will resign, then my theory can be considered as valid.



Until that happens, or at least until Germany government falls, I will not present my theory.
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As far as I share all the theories of you DR so far, I don't understand why Scholz should step down, respectively why the German government should fail.

I come from Germany and yes, the ministers and our government is increasingly criticized, especially in the energy issues.

Personally, I rather see in the coming years and decades a resurgence of right-wing parties similar to 100 years ago, after the inflation and world economic crisis had drawn the people.

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As far as I share all the theories of you DR so far, I don't understand why Scholz should step down, respectively why the German government should fail.

I come from Germany and yes, the ministers and our government is increasingly criticized, especially in the energy issues.

Personally, I rather see in the coming years and decades a resurgence of right-wing parties similar to 100 years ago, after the inflation and world economic crisis had drawn the people.

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 Quoting: German Potato 83777109








I said I have a theory on resignations, but only if there are more coming, or AT LEAST one : Scholtz.



Obviously he have no reason to resign, that's why if he does, then my theory takes shape. I still see highly probable that he will resign, even if apparently there is no reason whatsoever.



Until multiple resignations happen, or at least one very important one, my theory is just background noise.

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