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LIVE: Day 4 Nov Wed 20th @ 9am & 5:40pm ET Impeachment PUBLIC Hearing <LIVE LINKS>

 
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"I later came to believe that the resumption of security aid would not occur until there was a public statement from Ukraine committing to the investigations of the 2016
election and Burisma, as Mr. Giuliani had demanded," Sondland says. Says no credible reason why it was nixed.
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He is lying through his teeth. He said there was no quid pro quo, and yet here he is claiming that he repeatedly mentioned his concerns. So he forgot about this when he said no quid pro quo, but now remembers it in full detail?
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"We followed the orders of Donald Trump." - Gordon Sondland, 11/20/19
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He is lying through his teeth. He said there was no quid pro quo, and yet here he is claiming that he repeatedly mentioned his concerns. So he forgot about this when he said no quid pro quo, but now remembers it in full detail?
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Yup

Someone refreshed his memory to fit their agenda
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There it is. "QUID-PRO-QUO"

Prepare to hear that on a loop on CNN and MSNBC from now to kingdom come....
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He is lying through his teeth. He said there was no quid pro quo, and yet here he is claiming that he repeatedly mentioned his concerns. So he forgot about this when he said no quid pro quo, but now remembers it in full detail?
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Yup

Someone refreshed his memory to fit their agenda
 Quoting: ~kpm~


He's on the take and working with Schiff. It is obvious.
Everything has got to be a THING today
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It’s vital to understand the role Ukraine played in the 2016 election

I don’t give a flying fook what these asshats think Ukraine deserves

There is rampant corruption in Ukraine
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How is it he can go from no quid pro quo to “yeah there might have been some”.

Who the hell got to him?
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He was boxed in, by other testimony since his first interview.
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I think there was some threat toward him, that or he lost his balls.
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SONDLAND: Trump was skeptical. He expressed concerns that the
Ukrainian government was not serious about reform. He even mentioned that Ukraine tried to take him down in the last election. In response to our persistent efforts ... Trump directed us to "talk with Rudy."
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What did these idiots think Trump meant by NO QUID PRO QUO?
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He is lying through his teeth. He said there was no quid pro quo, and yet here he is claiming that he repeatedly mentioned his concerns. So he forgot about this when he said no quid pro quo, but now remembers it in full detail?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77553547


Yup

Someone refreshed his memory to fit their agenda
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Or circumstances have finally forced someone to actually tell the truth. The only way he can save his ass, is to tell the truth.

And clearly, he's trying to save himself.

ymmv
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"We followed the orders of Donald Trump." - Gordon Sondland, 11/20/19
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That order being work with Giuliani. Still no evidence that Trump wanted Quid Pro Quo. Sondland says he was against Quid Pro Quo but informed Ukraine anyway lol.

At worse Giuliani did wrong and Sondland propagated it. Unless they get Giuliani to testify against Trump then this is still no crime.

Even then, at worse it is a campaign violation lol.
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SONDLOAND: "Talk with Rudy. Because the President said it was the only constructive path for us".
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There it is. "QUID-PRO-QUO"

Prepare to hear that on a loop on CNN and MSNBC from now to kingdom come....
 Quoting: Winter Soldier


So sondland thinks money should have been sent to Ukraine with NO conditions at all


WTF
 Quoting: ~kpm~


You are correct, but logic doesn't matter here. The MSM has what they need now to ramp this thing up even more.

I fully expect Giuliani, Bolton, Mulvaney & others to be brought in now. This will not be over this week.
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Ohhh goody , Democrats are not going to be able to field their candidates for the election run up, being held up six hours a day for the Senate hearing.
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This guy has never had Trump's back.

Why POTUS Trump would've continued to bring this sack of shit into the fold is beyond me.
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Seriously? Every one of these witnesses has a "fled Communism" story?
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I suspect they all brought Communism with them. Especially Soros.
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"I only did the crime because Trump dold me to do the crime."
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"the Bad Orange Man made me do it."
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So let me guess its round 4 of just making shit up and tossing it out their for record.
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SONDLAND: We weren’t happy with the President’s directive to talk with Rudy. We did not want to involve Mr. Giuliani. I believed then, as I do now, that the men and women of the State Dept., not the President’s personal lawyer, should take responsibility for Ukraine matter
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Imagine you are elected President of the USA.

You are dealing with Ukraine, a historically deeply corrupt country.

You know they have 2 Bidens, and maybe Kerry, Pelosi and others in their pocket.

Their new President is an unknown.

How do you approach the situation?

If it were me, I'd start with a ZERO TRUST model. I would not send one red cent or any military equipment/weapons until my reservations were satisfied. I'd put EVERYTHING on hold until that time.
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Much ado about nothing
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This guy has never had Trump's back.

Why POTUS Trump would've continued to bring this sack of shit into the fold is beyond me.
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Because Trump loves money, and Sondland donated a million dollars. Seems obvious.
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Sondland:

1. There was a quid pro quo: no WH meeting or security assistance without investigations of Biden and 2016
election.

2. This came from Rudy Giuliani.

3. Giuliani was working at the behest of President Trump
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Imagine you are elected President of the USA.

You are dealing with Ukraine, a historically deeply corrupt country.

You know they have 2 Bidens, and maybe Kerry, Pelosi and others in their pocket.

Their new President is an unknown.

How do you approach the situation?

If it were me, I'd start with a ZERO TRUST model. I would not send one red cent or any military equipment/weapons until my reservations were satisfied. I'd put EVERYTHING on hold until that time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53199845


But these lifetimers think they are the ones in control

Don’t dare change their way of dealing with their countries

They have never been challenged before
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Imagine you are elected President of the USA.

You are dealing with Ukraine, a historically deeply corrupt country.

You know they have 2 Bidens, and maybe Kerry, Pelosi and others in their pocket.

Their new President is an unknown.

How do you approach the situation?

If it were me, I'd start with a ZERO TRUST model. I would not send one red cent or any military equipment/weapons until my reservations were satisfied. I'd put EVERYTHING on hold until that time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53199845


you send cia to get the info needed to get to the truth and/or apply pressure to the gov't to help you--- you do it through back channels and what you can through appropriate channels- if this was the democrats doing it instead of Trump- we'd only get the outcome and NOT subject to inquiry- maybe even not a blip on the 'news'....now you know!
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Re: LIVE: Day 4 Nov Wed 20th @ 9am & 5:40pm ET Impeachment PUBLIC Hearing <LIVE LINKS>
Gordon Sondland is going full John Dean in his opening statement:

Confirms his view the WH plot was “quid pro quo” bribery

Implicates Giuliani

Shows Pompeo in the loop with new evidence

Implicates Trump, testifies this was on his orders

Adds new emails and evidence
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Trying to catch up on this thread and watch this buffoon are too much so early in the morning. sheep
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Looks like Sondland is choosing telling the truth now rather than going to prison for perjury.
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The more I watch this nonsense the more I am convinced that President Trump is setting the dims up.....the ultimate rope a dope. The only way he was going to be able to by pass the biased media and get the truth to the all the people was thru a nationally televised impeachment hearing. He knew he would be trashed in the House but the Senate is where the real dirt will start to come out. Using that lens, this clown show is just a preview to when the real fireworks show starts.....in the Senate. That means all these witnesses are just pawns to move the game over to the Senate.
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This ass-clown Sondland is having the time of his life with all the attention focused on him
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