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]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”

 
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]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
Dems Desperate to Surrender Before We Can Win
by Doug Patton

It is hard to comprehend the fact that there are people in the United States Congress who are so addicted to power they actually want America to lose the war in Iraq in order to obtain it. Yet that is exactly what is happening with Democrats running the show. They couch their cowardice in high-minded lies about supporting the troops but not the mission, but the truth is much less complicated. They cannot stand the idea that “George Bush’s war,” as Hillary Clinton likes to call it, might actually succeed.

As former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich said on Fox News Sunday, “The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
Gingrich’s statements of late have been bold, blunt and controversial, much as one might expect from someone looking for an opportunity to jump into the Republican race for president. This interview was no exception. He compared the Democrats’ betrayal of our allies in Iraq to their abandonment of the South Vietnamese.

“In 1975, when there were no Americans left in Vietnam,” Gingrich said, “the left wing of the Democratic Party killed the government of South Vietnam, cut off all of its ammunition, and sent a signal to the world that the United States had abandoned its allies. What I would say to any Democrat who wants America to leave is quite simple. Millions of Iraqis have sided with the United States. They are known in their neighborhoods. They are known in their cities. If we abandon them, they are going to be massacred.”

And so are we, if we surrender.

Appeasement is not a virtue among our Islamist enemies. It is a sign of weakness. The stupidity of thinking that defeat is the solution to our dilemma in Iraq is, at best, ill-advised, and at worst, irrational. It is a signal to our enemies around the world that, a mere generation after our embarrassing retreat from Southeast Asia, we are still unable or unwilling to keep our commitments to our friends. Is there a clear-thinking American who can’t see that this is an engraved invitation to the Islamist fanatics of the world to prey upon our obvious weaknesses?

General David Patraeus has been assigned the unenviable task of making the troop surge work in Iraq, and early indications are that he is beginning to have some success. Violence against American troops is down in Baghdad. As Gingrich points out, millions of Iraqis have put themselves on the line to support our efforts. With our help, they might just win this war and have a democratic society of their own.

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.), one of the left’s most reliable appeasers, appeared on the same program as Gingrich. Feingold told interviewer Chris Wallace, “I do not buy the notion that the surge is working. I do not buy the notion that somehow Petraeus is going to be able to tell us that things are moving in the right direction. And in fact, he’ll come back in September and he’s going to say, ‘Let’s wait until the end of the year.’”

Feingold and most other Democrats are so bent on losing before we can win, they don’t even want to wait for Patraeus’ report in September. They are desperate to surrender.

Gingrich put it best: “We are faced with evil opponents. Those opponents need to be defeated. And if General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker come back in September and say, ‘We actually can win this thing,’ I want to understand the rationale that says, ‘No, we don’t want to let America win. Let’s legislate defeat for the United States.’”

That is the real agenda of the Democrats — surrender before we can win.

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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
you are a liar.
I don't need to prove it.
you're here aren't you?
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
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There is just One Party, the FREEMASONIC PARTY; both have exactly the same agenda.
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
We've had 5 fucking years. If you don't know this was a war for money for the elite, youre a moron.

Dems and Neocons are the same thing. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you will stop looking like an idiot.
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
Enough is simply enough Pnac traitor. No-one buys your republican propaganda here. There is one criminal party in Washington, and it matters not who is 'elected' And yes 9-11 was an inside job so deal with it like a man and stop hiding from the truth like a little girl.
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
In WWII America defeated Japan. The allies defeated the Nazis.


How does this 'defeat' you speak of compare with those defeats?
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
anyone with brains knows this pnacwhatever guy is one of the persons behind glp, trying to get more hits.
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
Listen to what this man says and decide if the Demos want the U.S. to succeed or not: House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Monday that a strongly positive report on progress on Iraq by Army Gen. David Petraeus likely would split Democrats in the House and impede his party's efforts to press for a timetable to end the war.

And then his comment if the news is good "think there would be enough support in that group to want to stay the course and if the Republicans were to stay united as they have been, then it would be a problem for us,"

A problem for us?

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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
Listen to what this man says and decide if the Demos want the U.S. to succeed or not: House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Monday that a strongly positive report on progress on Iraq by Army Gen. David Petraeus likely would split Democrats in the House and impede his party's efforts to press for a timetable to end the war.

And then his comment if the news is good "think there would be enough support in that group to want to stay the course and if the Republicans were to stay united as they have been, then it would be a problem for us,"

A problem for us?

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Yep, a problem for them.

If this counter-insurgency action we are currently employing turns things around (as the most current reports indicate it has, thank God) the Democrats are washed up.

It will be game over for those appeasers!



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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
Listen to what this man says and decide if the Demos want the U.S. to succeed or not

Define success.

Then define defeat.
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
Killing and destroying is not the path to victory. But it will definitely help create a moment that is coming ....LOL ....a very BIG MOMENT LOL

Do you see how the two paths of thought are running head long into each other .....it is happening just as foretold. It will all be marked with something big and bright being seen in the sky. Besides the sun and moon : ) lol The holy other ...the third in the triad or trinity ....shhhhhh ancient secret lol
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
Yep, a problem for them.

And if General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker come back in September and say, ‘We actually can win this thing,’


General Petraeus could say anything, true or not.
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
What "emboldens" the enemy more ...talk of peace or talk of war ?
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
you are a liar.
I don't need to prove it.
you're here aren't you?
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PAC doesn't answer any direct questions in any of his threads. He may come back with some Muslim bashing pictures, or a one liner thats less than half as funny as he thinks.

But no real content.....He certainly won't reply to my first post in this thread.
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
What "emboldens" the enemy more ...talk of peace or talk of war ?
 Quoting: * life 215827


I think its beyond absurdity to believe that occupying foreign nations make it LESS LIKELY that you will be attacked at home.

To occupy is to Embolden. Nothing Emboldens like motive. What would be stronger motive short of Ethnic Cleansing?
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
I think its beyond absurdity to believe that occupying foreign nations make it LESS LIKELY that you will be attacked at home.


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hmm... let me see - we were attacked plenty of times before we occupied enemy lands.... and none after.
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
we were defeated the moment we invaded a sovereign nation...no matter the excuse.
yes, how would you ever define victory when the whole situation was already a dead-end?
this type of 'power game' is a mere illusion, slight of hand....you've been had from the get go to the guantanamo
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
I think its beyond absurdity to believe that occupying foreign nations make it LESS LIKELY that you will be attacked at home.



hmm... let me see - we were attacked plenty of times before we occupied enemy lands.... and none after.
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We have been paying for and enabling the Israeli occupation since inception.

'Plenty of times'. Lets see... 911 and the previous WTC attack.

Two is plenty of times?
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Iraq was defeated before the 'Mission Accomplished' speech on an aircraft carrier.
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
You got that right. They're a bunch of Anti-American Communists and should be ashamed.
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
Op, I dont want to divert the flow of the thread but rumor has it you are Dick Cheney, not that I expect a truthful answer , but anyway, are you?
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
What do you call "victory", PNACguy?

When will you realize that NO amount of time of troops will ever "win" a war that's solely about oil and hegemony and which was so badly mismanaged from the very beginning that's it's now impossible to win?

This sounds more like deflecting blame when the inevitable occurs.

Just like Vietnam. "Those who fail to remember the past..."
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
Victory against whom, PACneanderthalGuy!

Success? Mathetes, define how an ill-conceived plan can ever garner success. You can even bold type the answer if you'd like.

You two realize that you appeal to the lowest base available, right? Because nobody else can possibly understand what you are constantly blabbering about.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
pacnfudge is deeply committed to Israel and the destruction of the United States
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
PNAClover, refresh my memory. Why was it we attacked Eyeraq again?
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
It's hard to want a victory when you realize that every move you make only creates more enemies/terrorists. Thats the way it has to be because, if there are not enough enemys, then they must be created, Even if it means having intel agencies do some terror attacks. This is so the American Forces have a good reason to stay longer. They need to stay longer so The Empire can control all the oil and build the planned pipelines and form a greater Israel.

Millions of innocent people are being murdered for this cause, and it has nothing to do with terrorism or a war on terrorism, or a victory! It's just an excuse to taake over the oil and build a greater Israel...

The sooner you face the truth and quit kidding yourselves, the better....
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
Victory of WHAT exactly?

Defeat? You mean, eating crow by admitting you're a lying fuck up. We ruined Iraq forever, and for no reason. It's a disgrace.
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
PACNW guy, the money and resources are needed elsewhere
(retro-fitting cities for future hurricanes and earthquakes, for example, and aggressive forms of diplomacy via social science and media)
and this particular strategy with guns and bombs
was directed erroneously. Our generals have no choice but to follow the commander in chief and support his policies.
So they do so. I am a veteran and very loyal to the Constitution and also, I did not coke and booze my way through college like certain presidents we know.
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
What would victory even look like? We know the Sunnis are the minority, but held power under Saddam. They are not going to go quietly. The Shiites are the majority and I think they feel their time has come. They both hate each other more than us, apparently.
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We can not even get the electicity to run for more than a couple of hours a day...and its a hundred and twelve freaking degrees.
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We now have Turkey in the north wanting to take some action against the Kurds, and Bushbuddy wants to join in the fun.
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Bushbaby cries and cries that Iran and Syria are sending fighters accross the boarders, but they never mention Saudi Arabia doing the same thing and oh, by the way, most of the highjackers on 911 were not Iraqis, Iranians or syrians, they were freaking SAUDIS. OBL, SAUDI....BUSHBOYS HAND HOLDING BUDDY, SAUDI KING....Prince Bush, Saudi.....What the hell is going on here. The neocons don't want victory...they want endless war so they can stay in Iraq forever and on top of those oil fields. They never even planned for any of the possible outcomes when they decided to go into Iraq because they wanted it to go badly so they could stay FOREVER AND EVER...ITS THE NEOCONS WHO WANT DEFEAT, BY DESIGN...GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS
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Re: ]“The left wing of the Democratic Party is deeply opposed to American victory and deeply committed to American defeat.”
Victory of WHAT exactly?

Defeat? You mean, eating crow by admitting you're a lying fuck up. We ruined Iraq forever, and for no reason. It's a disgrace.
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THE REASON IS WE WANT THE OIL, WE WANT THE PERMANENT BASES AND WE WANT CONTROL OVER THE REGION TO MAKE ISREAL SAFE PERIOD...We are never going to leave and Bushboy and the pentagon have pretty much come right out and told us. The Iraqis want us to leave by a huge majority, but we will never leave, not as long as the neocons have any say
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