Rabbi Kaduri Predicted 40 Years Ago: Israel Elections But No Government will bring moshiach....This is happening right now in Israel

My son I am the second born!

You believe that Jesus is the Messiah of Heaven yet, you do not believe what He says.

Instead, your faith is in men who fly the flag of Remphan/Saturn, rather than the menorah. Their god is the same as Islam's false god. It is not the God of Abraham, Israel, and David.

Instead, they find their "knowledge" in the very same pagan, Babylonian writings God warned Israel to burn. And when Israel became a nation again, they chose from the Book of Creation Remphan's false god star as the national symbol.

Once the nation of Babylon rose again under that flag, deceiving the people into following after pagan falsehoods was easy. And it will get easier, because no one there reads what Jesus wrote, nor understands the prophets anymore.

All they care about is the pagan Talmud, written by men corrupted by evil powers.

They sold their souls to hell for a pocket full of demon party tricks. And they take you with them.

If you were the second born you would be able to see the other anointed in the scriptures and in your life, but you can’t see the former or the latter. Until you understand you are the firstborn and the other anointed is the second born you will never be able see the other anointed.

Kinda strange you were always firstborn Adam when you shared sweet council with me from 1998 - 2001 but now that I showed you that the second born receives the birthright...now you want to be the second born instead of the firstborn.....I take that back you don’t just want to be the second born you want to be the 2nd born and the firstborn and eliminate the other anointed.


Ephraim is the second born. Were you envious of Judah/Jesus? No, because that verse in Isaiah 11:13 is not talking about that it is talking about the two anointed. Ephraim the 2nd born had to go through a 10 year time of testing where it looked like he was not able to be saved while the guy he could see as the anointed one was given all the blessings/inheritance. That is a formula for envy. Once the testing was over ephraim/the second borns eyes were opened and he could see he was going to be given the birthright so the envy departed just as the scriptures state. Pretty hard to be envious when one has the birthright. Judah the one who receives the 1st born blessing on the other hand continues to vex the 2nd born clear up to the throne room visit in Zechariah 3 until God resolves the dispute.



To be envious of Judah one would have to be able to see Judah. One is not envious of something they can’t see. If Judah could see who Ephraim was he wouldn’t vex him. So we know Judah can’t see Ephraim. So the conclusion is Ephraim can see Judah but Judah can’t see Ephraim until the fullness of the gentiles/throne room visit.

Isaiah 11:13:

The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

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You don’t have to stay up late to chit chat with me sword so I can’t answer your responses...but whatever makes you seem superior to the other anointed...lol... what a team we are going to make....I laughed when you said you wasn’t going to remember our time together....I’m the left of Jesus for eternity forever....you know after a billion years I’m going to say...”hey David do you still remember me?” I’m sure you will roll your eyes for old times sake...lol

First born Adam is the status in the earthly realm as the same man Jacob/Joseph is the second born Jacob/Joseph, in the spiritual realm. There is no distinction between the two entities. Yet just their realms of qualifications but the same symbolic individual.

The second born has always recognized the first born who is the Messiah (anointed) Jesus Christ the lion of Judah.

The distinction between individuals and tribal rivalry is the battle of the first and second born not between brothers but tribes; southern and northern kingdoms/nations. Not having anything to do with God's two anointed ones.

The second born/Joseph also recognizes his other siblings as will and their position of order such as, Gad (Elijah) to come forth LAST (Gen.49:19KJV), with him (Joseph), (the crown of the head) (Gen.49:20KJV).

And again Gad/Elijah coming forth in the last day to fight (tear the arm of power) (with Joseph), (the Crown of the head) (Deut.33:20KJV), Thus shall Joseph/Shiloh push the people together at that time (Last days) (Gen.49:10KJV) (Isa.49:5-12KJV). These few verses clearly show the two witnesses of (Rev.11KJV) for the LAST days, and their conflict (tearing the arm of power), wit (the antichrist).

Joseph is called the "crown of the head" a crown, a (royal figure) not a (priestly one).

As I said anyone who would bother to read theses few verses in (Gen/Deut/Isa), could see the whole picture/depiction of the two witnesses and who they will be in the last days. It could not be any plainer.

The second born also must have many other signs/symbols that you do not have. He must have and does have many consanguineous brethren who was/is separate from him.

Separate in a different birth place from the same they all were born in. Separate in age difference of at least seven years above him in age, and below him in age nothing in between that age. The one whose dream/vision is/was so big once told his brethren they became as strangers to him and all his mother's children believed him not(Ps.69:8KJV).

My friend I by no means desire any office for I know the cost and the price is too great but what can I do. Think not that God is clear in his understanding but when he gives such it must be terrifying.

Now that man in his orientation in his viewpoints greatly differs from them of his brethren in all manners; spiritual/mentally/sexually and physically. That it will be his great downfall.

Thus, I will show you a small portion of the mysteries of God's Word and its clear understanding attested in a passage of the book of Job (Job.30:8-31KJV). While that man is being forged into that anointed. For these passages are depictions of vile things indeed against that one and lascivious acts of the words not meant to be understood; except by him who knows the meanings and understands its true depictions.

(Job.30:8-31KJV), Frame against frame and body thrust against its victim rolling upon him at will (Job.30:14KJV). Too many to resist in the night season (Job.30:17KJV) come they forth even the young men raising upon his hand their privy parts of shame (Job.30:12KJV). These are the ones sent by that wicked one to torment and seek to break that Jacob/Job/anointed one. To erase him and devour him (Rev.12:4KJV).

Yet he refuses to give up the spirit and though his body turn black from death's disease (Job.30:30KJV), and they desire his death, they say unto themselves why won't he die (Job.30:24KJV).

The reason you do not see the second born clearly is you know not his many names. I have surnamed thee, saith the Lord (Isa.45:4KJV) in the H*brew vernacular meaning given you many flattering names and titles.

These names are given at different times, different locations, in different realms of understanding, at different points throughout the past and future historical records, to be and has been recorded in Scripture. So its not the name of the individual we look for but the calling and action of his person. for he is the hidden one (Isa.49:2KJV) and (Rev.6:2KJV) and cannot be seen until his time is revealed.

A few of his names are Jacob/Israel/prince, Joseph, Shiloh, Ephraim, man child, Joshua, one like the Son of man (Dan.7:13KJV), Adam, Moses, hidden Arrow (Isa.49:2KJV), the servant, the elect one, the chosen one, Enoch, Job, day spring for God had made him to know his place (Job.38:12KJV).

(Jer.15:16KJV): For I have been called by thy name Lord God..dayspring/one like the Son of man/a messiah/an anointed one/a servant (Isa.41:1KJV) the servant of the Lord, his chosen one and the Elect One.

Jesus could never be the Elect One for he never was elected to do anything. He chose his desired offices but was never elected. He chose to give himself for mankind not b/c he was elected to do so.

Now I am not saying this man is these many characters of the personage of these individuals spoken of. But he was shall be and is of the same spirit as these men. Even as John the Baptist was not that Elijah but of the same spirit as attested by Jesus. Just as Jesus is called by many names and titles the way, life, light, savoir, messiah (anointed one) King, etc. So God has so chosen that that man also be given many flattering names and titles even some names after his own.

Other names and personages he shall be is one of the two witnesses of (Rev.11KJV), prince of/in Israel (Ezek.21:25-27KJV), (Ezek.44:3KJV) and (Ezek.46:2KJV). Many other flattering names and titles as well; but far too many to cover here.

He will also be known as the Teacher of Righteousness for the last days leading the people to the well of water/life. And he shall make the Word/scriptures understandable for the last days, and for the comprehension to the congregation of those tribulation saints and His elect. For he shall be the Elect One to give understanding of the mysteries and to make the Word understandable:

(Isa.42:21KJV) The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify(make clear) the law (Word) and make it honorable (correctly understood, justly interpreted).

Waterman you have your convections as do I. I don't believe yours and you most likely don't believe mine. Besides that I hold no ill will toward you.

Again back to your old ways Waterman, exaggerating to draw sympathy from your readers that I am once again treating you badly for staying up late so you can't converse with me. As if I am trying to take advantage of your response somehow.

Waterman, hyperbole in any knowing form is nothing less than a lie. Even worse if the objective is to create a depiction from that hyperbole; that is directly misleading to gain sympathy from others and to form a bad opinion of another makes it even worse. Waterman try not to lie, it still holds the same promise for all who continue to do so!

Waterman, you know full well my schedule and that I always stay up late and do all my posting then. Whether posting you or anyone else. It's not a matter of intention but my way I have always done things. Now as you well know I have always been a night person when it comes to my activities.

I well accept your apology before it is even given. Now to conclude, I will not be corresponding with you any longer. I know I have said this in the past but I don't like what you are becoming and the outright lying I have caught you in repeatingly.

I know you are compelled to stand by your convictions but not to the extent that doesn't include a common ground of fair-play, honesty and the void of all hyperboles. This is never a good approach when it's in the contend of best serving God in our mannerism.

God bless you and keep you for his purpose. And as always you have my prayers residing on your behalf.

What it actually says is both Jacob and Israel are surnamed. Jacob being the 2nd born and Israel being the 1st born:
I will highlight the two anointed for you........blue will be the 1st born....pink will be the 2nd born and yellow can refer to both anointed:



A few of his names are Jacob/Israel/prince, Joseph, Shiloh, Ephraim, man child, Joshua, one like the Son of man (Dan.7:13KJV), Adam, Moses, hidden Arrow (Isa.49:2KJV), the servant, the elect one, the chosen one, Enoch, Job, day spring teacher of righteousness for God had made him to know his place (Job.38:12KJV).

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I don’t apologize when someone is trying to claim my inheritance and blessings....just wanted to clear that up for ya...lol....might wanna double check on how many anointed are coming....I have a secret for you the answer isn’t one and time after time in the scriptures the younger one is the favored one.



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Waterman I must answer you in reading your response. Although I dread it so for your response is but to promote yourself and I feel responsible for adding coals of fire upon your head. Not to my shame but yours. For out of ignorance such things could be forgiven but out of obstinacy there is no redemption I am afraid.

No it doesn't say anything like what you claim! Again you make up words when it doesn't even refer to such a word in the Word.

Quoting you! "What it actually says is both Jacob and Israel are surnamed". Nowhere is the word both in that sentence or any other sentence describing two different individuals.

In all your confusion you never learned, neither wanted to that JACOB/ISRAEL is the same man and only one individual.

If you see in those passages of (Isa.41-49KJV) any mention of another Israel or Jacob it is only speaking of "the house of Jacob which is called by the name of Israel" (Isa.48:1KJV) a people/nation as a whole; God's words not mine.

But Jacob is not another personage or a figure which you have taken out of context. That Jacob applies to the same man as Israel. For your account claiming Jacob and Israel in these passages are two different persons is ridiculous. Especially when he Jacob/Israel is referred to as he, thee, servant, and an elect one throughout these passages many times. These are singular terminologies not plural and cannot be changed b/c it doesn't quite line-up to your fantasy and doesn't even exist according to God's Word. JACOB/ISRAEL is synonymous with one individual who is given the name prince. Not two men but one man with that title.

As far as you claiming you're that symbolic JOB for the end days. You couldn't even decipher the meaning of the book of Job and I might add nor any other until I took you through the book from (chapter: 3KJV) of the meaning of his birth for that day he was born.

And to the mockery, he shall receive for those accuser who mocked him, but spoke words of truth about him in their blindness, and who he really was/is, in their ignorance (Job.15:7-14KJV).

And from there to the vile and evil things they did and will do against that man and thus why he cursed the day he was born (Job.3:3KJV) for his recompense (Job.30:8-31KjV).

And as an old man he went forth to the seat/throne to appear before his God (Job.23:3KJV) (Rev.12:5KJV). To be restored to his youth and his flesh restored to those beginning days of his younger years (Job.33:25KJV). Even as one saw in a vision long ago as you know; and he shall return to earth for His/God's service.

Yes you are partially correct concerning the second born. He will be the younger of the two in appearance and purpose. All these things I wrote about in my book published in 2006 so no use denying I spoke about these things long ago to you. Now you act as if these things from the book of Job were of your knowledge alone and give no credit to God's discerning factor in the process. Give credit where credit is due God's discernment not man's abilities. For nothing revealed is ever our accomplishment but God's grace alone.

I wrote these things not to enhance my position or lower your fantasies but to attest to a truth that will come to be. For what that one must endure; you Waterman have never been in the right mindset, nor prepared from God's good plan that even evil times turns to peace in God's workings.

For of a truth all things work together toward those who love him those who are called according to his purpose. For he creates the darkness and peace and even the evil to maintain his purposed will (Isa.45:7KJV).

The greatest trials of “job” haven’t started yet. That is what is called jacobs trouble....Jacob being the 2nd born. So there is plenty of time for the second born to be a brand plucked from the fire.

Of course you showed me many things that you discovered in the scriptures because I’m not the plow Judah the 1st born is. I’m Jacob the 2nd born. Hosea 10:11 Judah the 1st born shall plow but Jacob the 2nd born will break the clods. My position is to take what 1st born Judah plows and break the clods(divide the blessings)...Judah knows how to plow but he doesn’t know how to divide the inheritance/blessings because he can’t see the other anointed.

Psalm 89 speaking about David: David is the 1st born and we know the 1st born blessing is the Judah/sceptre blessing. David doesn’t get to go over and pick and choose every tribal line blessing/inheritance he wants....lol. That is why there is a second born anointed. What are the 2 highest tribal blessings? The sceptre which is the 1st borns and the birthright which is the 2nd born blessing which will be used to have dominion over the earthly priesthood. If you have 2 anointed that are to have dominion over the entire earth you give them these two blessings: one the 1st born Judah blessing and the other the 2nd borns Joseph blessing

Psalm 89:
27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.

28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.

29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.


Did you notice David’s seed also has a throne?....hmmmm



Look at these two kingdoms. Both the northern and southern kingdom are Israel but only the northern kingdom is Jacob. The southern kingdom is judah. See the difference? It’s a type of Adam and Eve. The northern kingdom Jacob came forth from the southern kingdom Judah. That is why the scriptures state that jacob will come forth from the waters of Judah.








Two kingdoms 2 Israel’s Judah/Israel and Jacob/Israel.....two anointed Judah/Israel and Jacob/Israel. Once the two are united both are Israel just as in a marriage the feminine takes the name of the masculine which will be Israel. Notice the 2nd born Jacob doesn’t start as Israel but has to get the name change just as a feminine would in a marriage





The macro is the northern kingdom jacob came forth from the waters of Judah. The micro is Jacob the 2nd born came forth from the waters of the 1st born Judah because if you look up the word “waters” in the original Heeebrew it can also mean semen. Again showing the spiritual side of the 1st born Adam/masculine and Eve/feminine the 2nd born coming forth from the 1st born. In the beginning it was to reproduce and fill the earth. In the end it is to have dominion over everything that moves on earth as genesis 1:28 promises to the two anointed 1st born and 2nd born.
Isaiah 48:1
“Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the LORD, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness.”


Jacob the 2nd born comes forth from the waters/semen of Judah:
Waters heeebrew meaning in Isaiah 48:

mayim, mah'-yim; dual of a primitive noun (but used in a singular sense); water; figuratively, juice; by euphemism, urine, semen:— piss, wasting, water(-ing, (-course, -flood, -spring)).










The key to understanding the scriptures is to understand the volume of the book is speaking about the 1st born and the second born and how they are going to be given dominion over the whole earth in the end. Certainly the volume of the book is about Jesus and his plan of redemption....but the underlying message is to the 1st born and 2nd born and their earthly dominion on earth until the jues find redemption and can join the bride and tribulation saints on the new heaven and new earth where Jesus will be King and High Priest of both Jeeew and gentile.

if it states political dominion/kingship it is speaking about the 1st born. If it states birthright or priesthood it is referring to the second born. It is easy to hide the 2nd Israel if you can only see one Israel. The division brought forth the 2nd born/2nd kingdom hence creating 2 Israel’s


it took a 10 year spiritual prison for me to be given the key to understanding and unlocking the scriptures.....the key is the volume of the book is about 1st born and second born receiving dominion. It’s all over the scriptures if you want to see it. If you don’t want to see it pretend there is only one anointed/chosen who is both 1st born and 2nd born who receive all inheritance just as the jeeews believe


The volume of the book is about the civil leader and the priestly leader..the two anointed Moses civil leader Aaron priestly leader... the two anointed zerrubbabel civil leader Joshua priestly leader...etc. in Isaiah 40’s chapters Gods hides the 2nd born by saying Jacob “and” Israel. Someone who doesn’t understand the key is to look for the 1st born and second born would look at the phrase jacob “and” Israel and think that is one person because jacobs name was changed to Israel. There is no simpler way to see if God is speaking to the 1st born or the second born than to refer to the 2nd Israel as Jacob otherwise when you have 2 Israel’s it would be impossible to know whether God was speaking to the 1st born or the 2nd born. When he says jacob “and” Israel we know Jacob is the 2nd born and Israel is the 1st born which makes it simple to see who is being referred to.

Isaiah 45:4

For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

psalm 105:26:
He sent Moses his servant; and Aaron whom he had chosen


Isaiah 41:8:

But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.


See the same language (my servant...my chosen) speaking to Jacob and Israel is the same when speaking to the two separate individuals Moses and Aaron in psalm 105 ....Jacob and Israel in Isaiah are no more one individual than Moses and Aaron are in psalm 105.



Notice up above in Isaiah 41 Israel the 1st born is the servant....then in Isaiah 45 Jacob the 2nd born is the servant showing once the 1st born and 2nd born are reunited they are both known as the servant.

Who is the servant in Isaiah 43? Jacob the 2nd born is the priestly servant and Israel the 1st born is the civil leader servant. We know this because it starts off addressing Jacob the 2nd born and israel the 1st born in verse 1 and in verse 10 it tells who they are. They are the witnesses and the servant because God joined the stick of Judah with the stick of Joseph in the throne room and they are reunited as one.

43 But now thus saith the Lord that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.

2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.

3 For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.

4 Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life.

5 Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;

6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.

9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.

10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

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You have truly gone insane in your own analysis. You make-up words of fictional details having nothing related to the subject matter and twist it into your own descriptive version of its meaning.

You take what is meant as a spiritual analysis of a passage and flip its meaning either spiritually or physically opposed to its true objective. Thus, you seek to fulfill your own perspective to confuse the meaning of its purpose. Of course David physically had seed but it speaks of David's seed in the spiritual proportion of its meaning not physically as you are suggesting.

David had seed/children in three different places in Scripture. During his physicality reign as king of Israel, yet he is often referred to as the (prince of Israel) and also king Saul often in the old testament. Therefore recognizing that the coming Messiah would be and was the only true king of Israel.

Also David's promise seed to come was as a spiritual figure. And the purposed ruler-ship of his kingdom toward his countrymen and the bringing forth of the seed of his promise; made to him in (2 Sam.7:12-25KJV) concerning that coming future servant. Even as sometimes referred to in Scripture as a branch of a future king David (Jer.33:14-15KJV).

This was the seed you saw in it speaking of a future anointed coming forth from the bowls (Heart) of David, another anointed prince of Israel and concerning the house he shall establish forever (2 Sam.7:25KJV), (Isa.42:1KJV).

The last place he shall have children as the prince of Israel is in (Ezek.44-47KJV). All other times would not be germane to that individual until he has been that anointed prince of Israel. Any children in between that anointing and the office would not apply to its meaning of any of his seed.

So any of the promise concerning his seed physically would not be apropos at that point concerning any other prophesies unless his anointing had already been established before the seed came forth, not after it was fulfilled, except the seed thereafter; that seed coming forth after that time of his anointing would also apply.

I never have pretended there is only one anointed in the scriptures as you suggest. I have told you this over and over again. But you like many things you do choose to ignore that portion of our conversations. The difference is your anointed is everything from Elijah to the teacher and everything in between. And this has nothing in common of the meaning within the contents of its passages as you would assume.

Yes I taught you many meanings of scriptural passages and even concerning the meaning of the deeper passage of the volume of the book. Even the times of Jacob's trouble and a host of other verses/passages and the words of their meanings spiritually. Going through a drunken stupor for ten years is not how you received answers to your many concepts as you suggest. But it was b/c someone else studied the Word of God most of his life and taught you the deeper words hidden within the passages.

Someone else did the work and then you stole the meanings of those deeper works to claim you found the answers b/c you were drunk for ten yrs..lol. You're objective was to find your own self-promotion in scripture, not to learn the meaning of the word. Mine was to find out a way to avoid it by reasonable means of a different interpretation of the Word.

Of course Job's troubles haven't started yet. But the process of its evil objective toward that man began at his birth and the circumstances that led him toward a tragic ending of a prospective you had no understanding of. Neither its meaning had no bearing on your own life or had even come into your own mind its meaning. Neither within the deeper meanings of the passages of the book of Job.

So how could you be that symbolic Job and not understand the meaning of what he/Job wrote when he himself claimed he had no idea or understanding of his utterances of what he was prophesying about himself (Job.42:3KJV).

For the meaning of the words of Job was not meant to be comprehended by the first Job but he who comes after him (that other symbolic Job), for the last days. The only understanding of what has been revealed to you about the meaning of that book is what was revealed to you by that one who has the meaning of its understanding (that symbolic Job).

Therefore, there is a first-born and a second-born but not as you discern it to be. For the one speaks after the manner of the physical and the other after the manner of the spiritual. Thus, both intertwined with one another in both realms Physically/spiritually but for different objectives but the same purpose. And yet after different reasons of that objective within different time-frames, but the same means of purpose within God's will.

Therefore, you believe the two witnesses are of those two births) first/second, but they are not speaking after their order but only as two witnesses for the proof of those truths not yet revealed.

Thus, confusing the order of these two births you cannot see that Jesus and Joseph are the order of those births not Joseph and Elijah. These two witnesses are but the truth of that first-born and his mission toward mankind of the spiritual. The second-born is to gather them together on earth for that spiritual objective.

Therefore, your scenario has many first and second-born children coming forth but no explanation on how one family can have more than one first-born or more than one-second born as far as that goes?

So this is the manner of your thinking; there must be two anointed ones who are first-born and second-born on earth during those days. Thus, you think in these terms which not only causes confusion but misdirection when seeking to discern God's Word.

Thus in your thinking the arrow hidden (Isa.49:2KJV), means two arrows hidden (the two anointed). The rider on the white horse (Rev.6:2KJV) has another rider as well behind the one rider (the two anointed). Jacob and Israel are two separate people (the two anointed). The BRANCH, one (BRANCH), not (BRANCHES), is a dual entity (the two anointed) instead of one BRANCH (singular) in itself as the Word states.

And that two man-children shall appear before the throne in (Rev.12KJV), as (the two anointed). And I could go on and on according to your thinking and seeking to change the words of Scripture by adding additional meanings never stated.

Yet scripture says nothing like this at all. This belief is simply applied b/c you have Judah the first-born and the other witness as Joseph the second-born. Judah then must be a first-born and the other witness Joseph a second-born and where does that leave Elijah the other anointed witness; and of course Jesus who is truly the first born.

And who is Shiloh who gathers the people on earth in the end days if not the second-born (Gen.49:10KJV), (Isa.49:1-15KJV). And if so is the man-child purposed to be a second or first born. How many first-born's can be in one family? Only one I believe! And second-born's as well!

Then there is the arrival of Ben David and Ben Joseph. And we are suppose to believe the experts as to who they are. Those very ones in title, who misunderstood the first arrival of the Messiah's first coming. Then how could they ever understand the meaning at his second coming or the status of that calling or his position as that first-born at the end days.

For he will not be one of the witnesses as a first-born but the scepter holder of heaven and earth as the first-born (spiritually). And the other temporary scepter holder (Ben Joseph) as the second-born (spiritually) for the end days on earth. But the first-born of the same (physical realm) earth (Gen.49:10KJ).

After that it gets even more complicated and is not meant to be understood until those who it is given should be known. And then a prince/priest rules in his own place (Ezek.44:3KJV) (Ezek.46:2KJV), as that second-born and the temporary scepter holder for his temporary duration.

Now I am done arguing these same points with you. You have made up your mind and what you have been told by others and through your own reasoning.

So we will leave it at that. I have no need to read any further post you intend to send hereafter. You will always have another answer for another reason from another word you assume it means, without it even being in the Word.

So it's like a never ending game with you especially when your posts can make-up that which is not even in Scripture or conjure up whatever comes to mind. One day though you are going to realize all your thoughts and reasons were just that thoughts and reasons!

I never said there are 2 man child....I said revelation 12 goes into detail about David the sceptre holder in the throne room and the book of Zechariah goes into detail about the other anointed Joshua the high priest. Revelation 12 doesn’t mention the other anointed because there was no objection to the man child receiving the sceptre. In Zechariah both anointed are mentioned because the man child plays the part of “the adversary” of Joshua the high priest because the man child is slighted because he believes the birthright is his. If you don’t believe the birthright is please tell me now. From what I read in Zechariah I certainly believe you will object to the other anointed receiving the birthright.


Jesus never wanted to reign on earth. He wanted the firstborn Adam and 2nd born Eve to have dominion over the earth. Secret for ya....Jesus never changed his mind the 1st born and 2nd born are going to have dominion on earth. One will have the Judah blessing to be king David on earth and the other will have the Joseph birthright blessing to become high priest on earth. It really is that simple to understand.


Your ideology of thinking the 1st born is going to receive the birthright throws your understanding clear off course. By thinking the birthright and the sceptre are your inheritance/blessings you leave no dominion/inheritance/blessing for the other anointed. Step back from placing yourself as one of the anointed and look at it as if it were two other people. Imagine it is your job to give the two anointed dominion over the earth. Out of the 12 sons blessings which 2 are you going to give these two anointed to have all dominion on earth. The only 2 dominions are the kingship and the priesthood. The Judah sceptre/kingship is the easy choice for the kingship position. Most people would pick the Levi position for the other anointed so he could rule the priesthood. But when we look at this prince.(prince being one of the 12 princes that make up Israel) in ezekiel doing the high priest duties we notice something odd. This high priest owns land in the holy district and we know Levi’s aren’t allowed to own land according to scripture therefore the only other way he can be high priest and own land is to have him come from the birthright line of Joseph as the birthright would allow him to be high priest.

For two to have dominion over the whole earth the clear choice is to bring them from Judah and Joseph....the bad thing is if history repeats itself these two don’t play well together....lol



Another thing that confuses you is David in one part being called king and in another being called prince.....David is the king ruling the earthly kingdom. Jesus is King ruling the heavenly realm. You can’t see there are 2 Israel’s and you also can’t see there is more than one prince in Ezekiel.....here it shows more than one prince of Israel therefore you have to determine which prince is which by what office they are operating. If it’s the kingship it is David. If it is the priesthood it is Joseph. Notice the prince who is giving gifts to his children is performing the high priest duties which means that prince is Joseph. Joseph’s offspring is sons/tribes of ephraim and Manasseh. So your David having offspring he will be giving gifts to kinda pales in comparison to Joseph giving gifts to his sons/tribes of ephraim and mannaseah.

Ezekiel 45:

9 Thus saith the Lord God; Let it suffice you, O princes of Israel: remove violence and spoil, and execute judgment and justice, take away your exactions from my people, saith the Lord God.

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I will answer you b/c your response was short and so mine will be also.

I don't believe that the high priest Joshua in (Zech.3:1KJV), is a different entity than that man-child portrayed in (Rev.12:5KJV), or the one like the Son of Man in (Dan.7:13KJV). Nor the one who overcomes in (Rev.2:25-27KJV) or Job seeking to find that seat/throne in (Job.23:3KJV).

But they are testimonies of two or three witnesses (2 Cor.13:1KJV) from God's perspectives of the same man possessing and revealing some of his different names and titles (Surnamed him) (Isa.45:4KJV).

Of that same prince (Ezek.44:3KJV) is a high priest as in (Ezek.46:2KJV). And as the overcomer as in (Rev.2:26KJV), as that one going forth conquering in (Rev.6:2KKJV), for overcoming and conquering is a synonymous word of one another.

These are all one and the same man once the filthy garments are removed and the raiment is changed and his transformation appears... even the BRANCH.

Why so many depictions of that one man. Because God has chosen him above all others created. And has preserved him for the end days to gather his people (Isa.49:6-13KJV). And God has highly exalted him and raised him higher than his brethren. And anointed him above all his fellows. And will place him in a seat of high honor. Exalt him who is low and abase him who is high (Ezek.21:26KJV), for all times throughout all ages, worlds without end.

For he shall be numbered as the preeminent one above even all the saints in heaven and on earth. For one must be first among us and HE has chosen that man. The Elect One (Isa.42:1KJV) among the elect ones. A decision made long before any counsel stood or recommendations were offered. God the Father alone chose that one and another for a placement of high honor.

Regardless whether Christ wanted to rule on earth is of an opinion not of fact. For after the fall the situation changed. Although he said my kingdom is not of this world. It doesn't negate from the fact that God the Father declared He is the first-born of many brethren. This signifies enough proof for me that Jesus Christ is the first-born and there is never two first-born in any family unit. Maybe two wives but never two first-born within the Fathers family.

Now I must sleep some.

Jesus is the firstborn of “many” brethren. The many being those who are born again into the heavenly kingdom. Adam is the 1st born of all those born into the earthly kingdom. That is the difference. Everybody knows Adam is the firstborn earthly kingdom person born. Jesus was the firstborn of the heavenly kingdom. After Jesus then the rest of the many brethren can enter into the heavenly kingdom. Who was the first created man? Was it Jesus? No it was Adam. Learn which kingdom is which and who reigns in the heavenly kingdom and who reigns on the earthly kingdom.....I’ll cheat and give you the answer. Jesus rules the heavenly kingdom and the 2 anointed rule the earthly kingdom


Jesus came to earth for 2 reasons:

1. To redeem mankind.

2. To grab the Judah sceptre. Notice Jesus wanted the davidic kingship but not the levitic priesthood. That is because the davidic kingship will be eternal and Jesus’ melchelzedek order priesthood allows him to combine the kingship and the priesthood where the levitic couldn’t be combined with the kingship. So Jesus procured the sceptre to be the heavenly davidic King. Once Jesus fills heaven with the bride he will give Shiloh the Judah sceptre as that is a judah blessing. David will keep that sceptre for about 1260 years most probably and the verse that states the sceptre shall not depart Judah until Shiloh comes will be partially fulfilled. I say partially because when Jesus comes back for his davidic sceptre at the end of the millennium then David will be Judah and Jesus will be shiloh(him whose right it is) and the jeeews/people will gather to Shiloh/Jesus. Aglain showing there is a heavenly Judah Jesus and an earthly Judah David....otherwise Jesus couldn’t be the Shiloh receiving the sceptre from Judah David at the end of the millennium and there would be no people gathering to Shiloh Jesus. Jesus always makes sure he puts a clause in there to make sure the plan stays on track......I’m not saying David wouldn’t give the sceptre back but let’s put that safety clause the sceptre will depart from Judah when Shiloh comes in there just in case.....lol


Gen 49:10:

The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.





As far there being two 1st borns. Judah is Israel and we know from exodus Israel means my firstborn son. Judah was always Israel but Jacob didn’t start out as Israel he had to have a name change to become an Israel so you have 2 Israel’s...Judah Israel and Jacob Israel....let’s not forget Joseph’s name means : “to add another son” (genesis 30:24)


Notice the northern kingdom is referred to as the house of Jacob...the house of ephraim...the house of Joseph....the theme of the northern kingdom is it is all 2nd born birthright holding subjects......the southern kingdom theme is the kingship/sceptre. You have 2 kingdoms which means you have to have 2 representatives.....the firstborn Judah will represent the southern kingdom of Judah and the 2 Nd born Joseph will represent the 2 Nd born northern kingdom until the unification and then Judah David will be king of both kingdoms and Joseph will be high priest of both kingdoms



Adam and Eve were created on the same day then God separated them and brought Eve forth from Adam so Eve could be the second born but in actuality Adam is the firstborn masculine and Eve is the firstborn feminine. And that is how you have 2 firstborns ...the 2 Nd born uses the birthright for firstborn status.

Exodus 4:22:

22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:





One of the biggest missions in the Bible to reunite the northern and southern kingdoms of Israel and lead the jeeews to salvation through Jesus and God gives one anointed both dominions of the kingship and the priesthood and then goes on and invites Satan/Lucifer in the throne room to listen in on the instructions but not the other anointed? Friend I have a secret for ya....Lucifer isn’t going to be there and being Satan means adversary the only adversary that would oppose Joshua the high priest is the other anointed because it takes the 2nd born getting the birthright to be high priest because this high priest owns land which means the only possible way is to give him the double portion birthright. Can you honestly say you aren’t going to object to that when I see how adamant you are about it right now. Your head would explode before you walked out of that throne room without saying “Excuse me isn’t that priesthood and birthright mine!”.......you are the adversary of the second born because he has the inheritance/blessing you think is yours.

Notice all your posts look at my past being the prodical son/drunk instead of my future of being the high priest. That is an “adversary”move. You look at my past as a Satan/adversary would. I look at my future as an anointed would...you look at it as if one who couldn’t see the other anointed because you are.

How do you not see we are playing out the Judah/Joseph scenario perfectly?


You know the funny thing about those who claim to be messiah Ben Joseph is when you ask them “where is the other anointed?” They never seem to know. They always think they are looking for a best friend but what they don’t realize is messiah Ben David is Judah and Joseph’s and Judah’s don’t get along without some divine intervention. Which will happen in the throne room. Now a messiah Ben David/Judah on the other hand will never find the other anointed until he sees him in the throne room because God blinds Judah until the fulness of the gentiles which is the throne room visit right before the 2 anointed begin their ministry

It’s much easier to be messiah be David than to be messiah Ben Joseph. A David isn’t expected to find his partner or his purpose. Joseph on the other hand has to find the 1st born tell the 1st born his purpose and office and then tell the 1 st born “oh yeah I almost forgot to tell you I’m getting the birthright and you are getting the sceptre.” So you can see why the elder might not appreciate the new found knowledge. So when I say it would be impossible for anyone other than Joseph to find the 1st born you can see what a task that would be with the added benefit of letting the elder know what his position is when he thinks both positions are his....lol



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You will never get my endorsement that you are an anointed one my friend. Not b/c I am prideful as you claim, or I am jealous as you believe, or I want another position as you assume. Not even b/c I believe you, b/c I don't!

Why don't I believe you are an anointed one? Because of one of many reasons my friend. You have no fire in your belly. You never have and never will! It's either there or it isn't! It's not as if it's an acquired taste for this fire, but a burning inability of something unable to be ejected from the depths of ones bowels/core. A jealousy for God to be glorified, in his own merit and not in our lack of such.

You can't find this fire searching for answers to questions. You can't gain it b/c you feel entitled. It is placed there before one is brought forth from the womb. The fire is the predestined calling already received by one chosen; not the fire after a supposed calling but only of a chosen. Many are called but few are chosen (Matt.22:14KJV)!

You my friend just seek information and desire to line it up with your assumed fantasies to advance a position you again assume is yours. Telling others who they are and what position they hold is like seeking a position by convincing others your point of view is correct. If you can do it you only gain a position. If not and you are wrong you may find you have been fighting against God's will and none other.

For a man who has no desire for any calling or even recognition of these things. All these efforts are but foolish reasons to be a chosen one to begin with.

Unless I had strong indisputable evidence of these things I would never ever believe in them. And without many confirmations by others I would never assume such a thing. God knows my heart. And he knows I have never desired any ambitious emplacement from him. I have never been envious, jealous, or even cared one way or another of others claims or boast.

Yet, what I do know, and to deny it, would show I disbelieve what was shown/given to me. The only reason I ever acknowledge any information about these two anointed was b/c I was ask and my response was of a truth revealed.

Now your only true objective whether you will ever acknowledge it or not is for me to confirm you are who you think you are. And the only confirmation you shall receive from me is you are not who you claim.

I believe if you were who you claimed to be, someone, anyone would have confirmed (2 Cor.13:1KJV), it after all these yrs. No one has and no one can b/c God is not going to send someone to confirm to you what you claim is his truth.

As I said only one of many reasons why I don't believe you are an anointed one. Many more are obvious to others but is never lucid to you.

Now why don't you stop posting and trying to prove yourself worthy of praise and go visit your mother who you have not visited and neglected for over 8 yrs. now. She loves you and misses you. And she has never done anything hurtful toward you. Except to marry someone you never cared for..lol

I know the few blocks to drive over might be a strain on you self-imposed pride; but swallow it it doesn't taste that bad. Besides honoring your mother would be an attribute of an anointed one, as you claim to be. Yet it would be difficult to prove now after this many years. And could work contrary toward the objective...you might just do it to prove you are an anointed one...lol. Which in truth you would not be b/c swallowing your pride to accomplish this would prove the opposite..lol..

^^^ “Jesus”

I know who I am because I know who you are. For being a chosen one don’t you find it odd that God hasn’t revealed who the other anointed is to you? In the scriptures when God pairs up anointed ones they always have a history of knowing each other.....Adam and Eve husband and wife....the 12 sons of Israel all brothers .....Jesus and John cousins...Moses and Aaron brothers....etc. Do you really think God is going to take you to the throne room....give you both dominions....and have you in charge of the kingship and the priesthood for the duration of the millennium. Notice the two anointed have power for 1260 days. These 1260 days will likely carry over and be repeated as 1260 years of the millennium as we know the millennium is 1000 years and then Satan is released for a season. If a season is one fourth of the thousand years it could be 260 years bringing the reign of the two anointed 1260 years.



Lol you have never tasted the taste of swallowing your pride so how would you know it doesn’t taste that bad? I see you still don’t understand the rules of a davidic/levitic kingdom meaning separation of the kingship and the priesthood. Jesus is always going to be higher than the two anointed in throne. That’s why Jesus didn’t want the title of levitic priest because as soon as one takes the levitic priesthood they can’t be the king. This is why Jesus chose the melchelzedek priesthood in the heavenly realm because you can combine the 2 offices in heaven after the order of melchelzedek.

The earths kingdom is levitic....if Jesus was on earth he wouldn’t be high priest of the earthly kingdom because there is already going to be a levitic priesthood in operation and one of the 2 anointed is going to be in charge of it.

Heeebrews 8:4:

4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:






David is the earthly king which disqualifies him from being in charge of the levitic priesthood. Jeremiah tells us the levitic priesthood will last as long as the sun and moon. The sun and moon aren’t removed until after the millennium if you read revelation 21-22 so the levitic priesthood will be reinstated once the 2000 year age of grace ends....just some fun facts for you to ponder. So either Jeremiah and Ezekiel were false prophets or you aren’t seeing it correctly. It’s almost as if you were being blinded by someone....lol



With your understanding God had to be a covenant breaker and the prophets have to become false prophets for it to work out so you can be have both dominions because God promised 2 dominion and the only dominion on earth is the kingship and the priesthood. Then Jeremiah and ezekiel explain the old levitic priesthood will be back in effect or otherwise they would have said the new melchelzedek order priesthood will be in effect and earth will be equal with heaven but the didn’t. They said it will be levitic which means it will be separate from David’s kingship.


You claim you are jealous for God to be glorified...it sounds to me you are jealous for God to be glorified if you are equally glorified...what makes God glorified is for him to be highest in Glory and in throne....you want to be equal with him in throne...how about you start out by not making God out to be a covenant breaker and making his prophets false prophets...that would be a good start. Ahhh heck why not add some icing on the cake and stop claiming to be equal with Jesus in throne. How about you permit Jesus to be melchelzedek heavenly order King and High Priest and you have dominion over the earthly kingship and the other anointed will run the levitic priesthood being levitic doesn’t allow kings to be in charge of them... lol

My understanding makes Jesus King and High priest sitting in heaven on his melchelzedek throne higher than anyone in any realm ..God keeps his covenant with the 1st two created....the prophets ezekiel and Jeremiah aren’t false prophets. Your understanding does the opposite on all three counts. So who is more jealous for the Glory of God. One who would lower himself and divide the offices that Jesus could be higher or one who would combine the offices and equal himself in throne with Jesus?

You know who can’t see their brother until the fullness of the gentiles? If you guessed Judah I’ll have to mark you down for getting that one correct.

I can see my partner so I know I’m not Judah. I didn’t plow (Hosea 10:11) so I know I’m not Judah. I’m not the king so I know I’m not Judah. I know the kingship and priesthood can’t be combined in a davidic levitic kingdom that will be in operation during the millennium.

In order for a single anointed to be in charge of the kingship and the priesthood and complete everything God is going to have to either make the world have 48 hour days or add a second anointed. I’ve read the book.....he adds the second anointed to run the priesthood because God can’t lie and in gen 1:28 he made a covenant for 2 to have dominion over the whole earth........your welcome....lol

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Well Israel has a gubmint now.

So Kaduri failed

How many thousands of years must pass before the people stop pining away for some moshiach idol whether in the form of idea or a man

How many thousands of years must pass before Jacob dispenses with ALL the idols

Idols:
1) moshiach
2) mishnah
3) sharia

How long until Zion is revived and declares:

Absolute loyalty
Absolute fealty
To YHWH alone and no other

Waterman who would seek to steal something already promised. Your traditions of many things hide your understanding from God's truths and the power of his resurrection. For tradition kills the law and the letter of its words makes void his Word of truth toward those already blind:

(2 Cor.3:4-6KJV) And we have such trust through Christ toward God.

(2 Cor.3:5KJV) Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God.

(2 Cor.3:6KJV) Who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Waterman your claim under the new covenant application makes your ways insufficient and your proof void. For without the testimony of two or three witness these claims you make are null and void:

(2 cor.13:1KJV) out of the mouth of two or three witnesses is every word is established.

And don't say God and Jesus are my witnesses. For after the resurrection and starting within the framework of the new covenant all rules change. And truth must be more prevalent to convince doubtful men, and a safeguard from leading astray. As you said in you early post Jesus takes in the loopholes to keep men honest. Or else any claim can be made and are without the testimony of others.

There is in God's vernacular another proof as to what is truth and what is not. You example this lack of truth . For under the promise of God a man who professes to speak on the behalf of God and to make such accusations it shall come to pass.

Now you have made more claims and predicted happenings from date setting to kings/presidents falling and raising and every other claim under the Sun and not one of them has come to pass in your time frame.

At least now I notice you are beginning to realize when they pass unfulfilled you claim they were only suggestions not a prediction or at other post you only envisioned what could be.

You're getting more cautious in your claims but it remains that one who continues to assume such roles and fails can be more accurately classified as a false prophet or of a lying spirit. Yet, you claim to be an anointed one and expect us to believe it's true because you can see one of the witnesses. From your paradigm I will just say, I will leave it at that.

Listen to get to the meat of the matter for all other contentions are opinions and accusations that could continue until Christ returns. But what is solid evidence is the Word and its truth.

As I stated earlier tradition and the letter make void the Word but the Spirit renews it within itself examination.

The Word declares now after the resurrection of Jesus we also must CONFORM to his image. Thus, one of his images is the portion of his office as both King and Priest. Thus, nothing less is required from us. Therefore, the Word makes it clear within the new covenant and not after tradition that we bear the image of his Son:

(Rom.8:29KJV) For who he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be CONFORMED to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn of many brethren.

And so in obedience toward this command the Word declares we have so fulfilled that need:

(1 Pet.2:9KJV) But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that you should show forth the praises of him who has called out of the darkness into is marvelous light.

Thus, it is a declaration of a one group scenario that they ALL become one not a two portion perspective. They ALL were in one accord delivered out of darkness. They were ALL a holy nation. They ALL are a peculiar people. And they ALL were a chosen generation. And in like manner as the image of Christ they ALL were in the one office of a royal priesthood. A royal ruler-ship/priesthood.

Thus it is demonstrated in that prince of/in Israel in (Ezek.44.3KJV) and (Ezek.46:2KLV) as fulfilling both offices in one man...a Royal priesthood.

Thus, It doesn't take from the promise in the Scriptures that those positions will continue until the end of the millennial age. It just reveals it's fulfilling the dual offices in one man as does Jesus, and keeping/revealing the promise of (Rom.8:29KJV) and (1 Pet.2:9KJV).

Those who have no need of Scripture and fail to see the promise will find them of no effect. Thus, will such continue in their temple worship and follow the traditions of a dual office in two. And will continue until their worship finds the antichrist in their midst and their temple his dwelling place.

What you fail to mention is after 2300 evenings and days that same temple is cleaned and animal sacrifice will start again because during the millennium we aren’t in the age of grace and the people aren’t conformed to the image of Jesus because they haven’t finished their 1000 year testing just as the Christians weren’t conformed to the image of Christ until their 2000 year age of grace testing was over. For some reason you are trying to implement the melchelzedek order kingdom on earth before everybody even passes their testing. Earth is the testing ground. The gentiles are being tested for the 2000 year age of grace. The jeeews are going to be tested for 1000 years. They will be able to follow the law for holiness because Satan and his demons will be bound for 1000 years and the shekina glory will dwell in the temple. How many times do I have to say it? This world will be the lesser davidic/levitic kingdom....nobody on this earth during the millennium is being transformed into the image of Jesus until after the millennium as we see the prince in ezekiel 45 is still offering sacrifices for his unintentional sins....if he was conformed to the image of Jesus he would have no sin. Levitic....levitic...levitic...that priesthood can never be combined with the kingship on earth that is why the levitic priesthood is done away with at the end of the millennium because both gentile and jeeeew will have passed their testing and all will be conformed into the image of Jesus melchelzedek order kings and priest in the new heaven and new earth.

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Peter under the inspiration of God (2 Tim.3:16KJV) spoke: saying it was the generation he was then in at that time, 2000 yrs. ago and onward he was referring to. Of course all who come to Christ is transformed into the image of Christ. Why would God speak a lie saying in his Word:

(2 Cor.5:17KJV) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old thing are passed away; behold, all things become new.

The Word didn't say this would happen in several thousand yrs. Maybe if tested enough times and if we kill enough animals and sacrifice over and over again in what Christ has already for one time accomplished; we might be joined into that family as new creations.

This is not biblical, otherwise Christ dies in vain and awakens nothing within the soul that thirst and hungers for him. They must sleep on and on until they pass endless test before they are enlighten of the truth that Christ has already accomplish all things in his sacrifice and within himself and the testing is FINISHED. The remembrance with joy of that blessing is the point of those offerings.

Of course some men will never believe what has been completed and all that remains is trust in Christ. But that has nothing to do with sacrifice for a test offering to see if God is still in a punishing mode.

The offerings in (Ezek.46:2KJV) is but a remembrance of what Christ already accomplished not that in some future date God hopes to renew us and bring us all into his family.

Perhaps you have never experience this renewal and transformation of a new birth; as old things pass away and all things become new. Nevertheless, all in Christ will experience this promise at the moment of that decision not at some future date after enough offerings and sacrifices and testing's are accomplished.

When one is in Christ their sins are covered but the final goal is to be changed into incorruptible and immortals as Corinthians 15 tells us:

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

People during the millennium aren’t going to be either one of those incorruptible or immortal just like followers of Christ won’t be until they see Jesus in heaven.

We won’t be like him til we see him:

1 John 3:2:

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.


Apparently the incorruptible thing didn’t work for the prince as he is still offering sacrifices for his sins.

Ezekiel 45:22:

And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering.


The jeeeews are not under the brides covenant. The jeeeews are under the next covenant....the law for holiness because Satan is bound and they have salvation through faith in Jesus but they aren’t going to be immortal or incorruptible until the end of the millennium just as Christians aren’t today. You have to understand the age of grace alone ends and the final covenant is dealing with the jeeeews....law combined with grace....every dispensation changes.








One more thing before I forget: You have to look at who peters audience is:



(1 Pet.2:9KJV) But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that you should show forth the praises of him who has called out of the darkness into is marvelous light.



so you go over to 1 peter 1 and it tells you it is Jesus believing Jeeews which are the age of grace bride people:

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:




Notice the difference between the people peter is speaking to who are saved by Jesus. It says you will be a "royal priesthood" because they will be kings and priests melchelzedek order after Jesus.

Now go over to exodus 19 when it is speaking about the house of jacob(northern kingdom) and the house of Israel(southern kingdom):

Exodus 19:

“This is what you are to say to the descendants of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel: 4 ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself. 5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you[a] will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”



1 peter 2 When speaking of the age of grace jeeewish believers in Jesus it says "they will be a "royal priesthood"

Over in exodus 19 when speaking about the northern and southern kingdom of Israel which will be on earth during the millennium it just says "they will be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation".....where did the "royal" go?. It is showing that the northern kingdom of Jacob is priestly and the southern kingdom of Israel is the holy" once combined they will be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation........if they are a kingdom of priests what priesthood is on earth? The levitic of course so they will be a kingdom of priests after the order of the levitic.









Hey thanks for making me look that up. You can't have a royal priesthood in a kingdom that separates the two offices so that is why is just says a priestly kingdom instead of a royal priesthood on earth.....learning something new every day...lol

Genesis 49:22:

King James Bible
Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:.......always growing/learning...lol...til our unification and your eyes are opened.











2 kingdoms: The higher heavenly melchelzedek order kings and preists kingdom and the lower earthly davidic/levitic where the two offices of kingship and priesthood are separate under the laws of the levitic. Then you don't have thousands of denomination adding confusion...you have the levtic priesthood with one anointed running it and David running the kingship and it will be that simple

After the millennium they too will become a "royal priesthood being kings and priests......its the little things you gotta look for.....lol

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The image is not what we are or see in ourselves but how God perceives us at that moment. A spiritual conception must first appear before a physical transformation manifest within the two realms (spiritual and physical).

Sin is never dissolved in the physical, but the image of the spiritual being is not lessened b/c of it. Offerings are a byproduct of the needs of the flesh coverings but not b/c of the offering of itself. Now we could go on and on to counter the conflicts of our contentions with one another but I haven't the inclination to do so. So we are finished.

Besides I have other emails to answer and I have put them off for some time. Therefore believe as you will it makes little difference to me. I am content in my beliefs. Have a great life in your own contentment.

73 year old medication dependent doing jacobs trouble the worst furnace of affliction ever....I really doubt that...learn who the 2nd born Jacob is already....he is the one doing the 2nd born jacobs trouble because you refused the call twice....a simple thanks would be nice...lol


P.S I like how you took the cowardly answer and did not answer my full answer as you know I answer in sections over time but as soon as I post you reply and shadow reply and wait hours to respond and click off and hide til I go to bed...classic Judah response...we all know there was more for you to respond to but you better skip that response because the division of the kingship and priesthood destroys your fantasy....lol....notice I used your fantasy line...lol


Better get on those other emails...Darren the wood walker could be trying to contact you..hilarious.....you have no idea who you are or who your partner is or the purpose of either. How did you study so long and get nowhere? Because you are Judah and Judah is blinded by God. Only Joseph’s can see their other anointed but Judah’s can only see themselves...that narrows it down .....can you see which one you are? I can.

Last Edited by waterman on 07/09/2021 01:01 AM

My friend you seem a little angry in your response. And the name calling doesn't really embellish your character. However I expect it does express it somewhat..lol.

As far as my responding to your posts you know I have always been a night person and my schedule has always been so. I do not post to add to you dislike or seek to irritate you but only b/c it is my schedule. Besides I might add your timing is also contrary to my schedule. But You're forgiven b/c most of society is brought up in that itinerary.

And concerning my response on the questioning of Jacob's trouble, it matters not with God the age or the health his servant finds themselves in. Whether it be Abraham, John in Revelation or Moses roaming around the desert at 120 yrs. old. It is no consequence to God the condition of the worm the outcome is always a butterfly.

Do you think the symbolic Job is going to return to his youthful image because he was some middle age man? And why his flesh becomes renewed and the wrinkles disperse. It's because he is an old man. And he has turned old and gray- headed:(Ps.71:18) Now that I am old and gray-headed forsake me not that I might declare thy glory O Lord (Ps.118:17KJV).

And why not this man's death that his enemies seeks so. And blackness of his flesh attests to its nearness. He will not be overcome by it. For he wrestles with God and the victory is given him and as well a blessing. Although the pit awaits him, its jaws never received the morsel!

Now to respond to your accusation that I took a coward's way out by not answer your questions. My friend this might very well be a field you may have some expertise in. Yet, I didn't take the coward's way out. I simply answer two of your responses directly and in a manner you possibly would assume was of a coward's approach.

However in truth the response and their complexity were of a more profound explanation then you mentally were able to comprehend and the purpose of its stead.

My first answer was to your first response of that of the making of the image of Christ in us. As always you only covered the superficial aspects of a complicated complexity of the meaning of the Word.

I thought to explain the difference between the image appearance in the (spiritual and in the physical) aspects of our image.

The image you referred to is but of the spiritual representation of the image. When we see Christ face to face we then become like him.

This concept varies in a different manner from the physical image seen through God's perception of who we are in Christ. We are seen before him as one forgiven, redeemed now, and prepared to enter the kingdom at our demise to those who are in Christ.

In this image we are not perfected but none the less on our way of being so. We are like the seed of an apple that once burgeoned becomes the sweet fruit of the tree.

This image is the pleasant aspect of God's desire. But the image of the beholding of his face to be like him; is its taste to enjoy for all time.

A little deep for you but ask some friends to explain it and the other post before this one. You remember the post you thought I was being the coward in. Oh I am sorry I doubt you know any of your friends that could quite grasp its mental concept or discern its spiritual significance. Concerning either its spiritual as well as its physical paradigm..lol.

The other response was your accusation that the prince remained sinning and thus a sacrifice was needful. Sin is not an attribute toward the dwelling of any good thing. But none the less the image before God remains. It's not the sacrificial offering that needs dissolving but the sin itself regardless of the means to do so..

Concerning corresponding with others through the email and seeking to catch up with some of those posts, it is the truth. How come you would thing I would lie about something as insignificant as corresponding with others.

Do you think I consider lying itself insignificant and not punishable in this life and the next. Do you think that truth holds no bearing with me? And that lying is a simple pastime activity. Not so, storytelling is for the young whose fear is not of the Lord but of the circumstances if caught.

Now I am beginning to find these posts you send are a little hostile and the name calling doesn't reflect the truth of the accusations. So it might be best my friend that we allow you to cool down a couple of yrs. Before you burst a blood vessel or break off a pride tooth or expose your hyperbole leg or something even more drastic. You have a good time now seeking to convince others how important YOU are now ..okay, and yes of course and how important jesus is to YOU also.

Nice job brother, you refrained from the exclamation points... you still have the usual undertones of vexing ...but let’s baby step the progress..lol....well it seems you are at least growing “emotionally”. Your spiritual growth is stunted so the other anointed can grow until the fullness of the gentiles because you can’t see the other anointed. Don’t be concerned about me bursting anything I have a few years left yet.

Little bothers....gotta love em Judah...lol...they save you in the end.



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What I find interesting here is this guy uses the ezekiel 21 verse "overturn" "overturn" "overturn" for Israel in the middle east as at the time he thought the prophecy was speaking of the kinnesset gates when acturally it meant 3 governments and as soon as this 3rd government falls "messiah ben david is supposed to arrive.

What is strange is if the united states is really the northern kingdom of israel if biden steps down and harris becomes president...then she steps down and obama becomes president then we will have 3 governments fall before the final wicked prince of israel is told take off the crown and give it to whom it is rightfully given to….so we will have the southern kingdom of Israel in the middle east needing a ruler and the northern kingdom of israel needing a ruler..."here comes the two anointed" David for the southern kingdom of Israel and the other anointed for the northern kingdom of israel.



Last Edited by waterman on 05/25/2022 11:50 AM

So we see from this link that Muslims have entered the Israeli government.

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

And they joined it on the 3rd gate/government of the Kuduri prophecy

Notice if we have Biden gate/government step down then Harris gate/government step down and then Obama returns as the 3rd gate/government we will have a Muslim running the northern kingdom of Israel and Muslims running the southern kingdom of Israel



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