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The Cathars were not Gnostics, but Puritan Christians: Historical Witness from Luther to Voltaire

 
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Modern neo-gnostic and new age paeudo-scholarly hacks have made much ado in recent years about the "early gnostics" such as the Cathars (Bogomils, Waldensian, Albigensians). These opportunistic, anachronistic so-called "histories" have every one employed Catholic Inquisition sources in the attempt to reconstruct the "Cathari" theology that never existed among the Cathars.

The Puritan author John Milton even knew them to have been his early Puritan Christians brethren.

Here are some quotes that may provide some balance to this current historical propagandistic information war of modern nominal "neo-gnostics". In short, everything you think you know about the Cathars is a modern anachronistic lie popularized in new age works fit for dupes and morons who never cross check anything to see if it's actually true, but like the swallowers they are do nothing but swallow.

I conceived that it was well becoming a Christian to undertake the defence of innocence, oppressed and overborne by the blackest calumnies the devil could ever invent.  That we should be ungrateful towards those whose sufferings for Christ have been so beneficial to his church, should we not take care to justify their memory, when we see it so maliciously bespattered and torn.

“That to justify the Waldenses and Albigenses, is indeed to defend the Reformation and Reformers, they having so long before us, with an exemplary courage, labored to preserve the Christian religion in its ancient purity, which the Church of Rome all this while has endeavored to abolish … So long as the ministers  of the Church of Rome think fit to follow his conduct who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning, innocence should 
not be deprived of the privilege of defending herself …”
(William Jones, “History of the Christian Church,” pp. viii-ix)

“For at least a thousand years before the Reformation the true church was composed of multitudes of simple  Christians who were not part of the Roman system.  That  such believers existed, refused to be called ‘Catholics,’ and worshiped   independently of the Roman hierarchy is history.  It is a fact that they were pursued to imprisonment and death since at least the end of the fourth century.” (A Woman Rides the Beast , by Dave Hunt, p. 254)

“Oh brothers, listen to a noble lesson; We must watch and be diligent in prayer, Because we see the world is approaching its end. Already eleven hundred years have run their course
Since it was written, ‘these are the last times.’ But no man will know, when the end is to come.

We have all the more to fear.  We do not know If death will call us today or tomorrow. But when Christ comes on the Day of Judgment Each will receive his reward; As well, he who has done evil as he who had done good.
If we desire to love Christ and learn His doctrine
We must watch and search the Scriptures.
If we read them, we shall find,
That Christ was persecuted because He did good.
There are still many in our times
Who wish to teach the way of Christ,
But they are persecuted and can do but little.
False Christians are so blinded by error,
And particularly the teachers themselves,
That they ill-use and kill those who are better than themselves.
On the contrary they let the evil live in peace.
By this we may know that they are not good shepherds,
They love the sheep only for their wool.
If anyone loves God, and fears Jesus Christ,
And does not bear false witness, nor swear nor lie,
And does not commit adultery, nor kill, nor does violence,
Nor revenge himself on his enemies,
They say, ‘He is a Waldensian; he merits death!’
(Source: “The Martyrdom of a People, or The 
Vaudois of Piedmont and their History” by 
Henry Fliedner)

“Luther, in the year 1533, published the Confessions of the Waldenses, to which he wrote a preface.  In this preface, he 
candidly acknowledges that, in the days of his popery, he had hated the Waldenses, as persons who were consigned over to perdition.  But having understood from their confessions and writings the piety of their faith, he perceived that those good men had been greatly wronged whom the Pope had
condemned as heretics; for that, on the contrary, they were rather entitled to the praise due to holy martyrs.  He adds
that among them he had found one thing worthy of admiration, a thing unheard of in the popish church, that, laying aside the doctrines of men, they meditated in the law of God, day and night; and that they were expert, and even well versed in the knowledge of the Scriptures …” (Source: “The History of the Waldenses,” by William Jones, Vol. II, p. 79)


Furthermore, there were men who wanted no law but the gospels, and who preached ideas almost the same as those held today by the Protestants. They were called Vaudois (Waldenses), because they were numerous in the valleys of Piedmont; Albigensians, from the town of Albi; Goodmen, from the consistent goodness of their lives; and finally Manicheans, the name then given to heretics in general.” (Of the Crusade Against the People of the Languedoc, by Voltaire, 1756)

It is now clearly known that the Paulicans were not Manicheans …. the same thing may probably be said of the Albigenses.  The Albigenses were oppressed on account of this sentiment, which accusation was also made against the Waldenses.  Care must be taken on this point, and too prompt credence should not be given to the accuser.  The Roman Catholic Church sought diligently for excuses to persecute.  Even Luther was declared by the Synod of Sens to be a Manichean.  The 
celebrated Archbishop Usher says that the charge ‘of Manicheanism 
on the Albigensian sect is evidently false.’” (Rome & the Bible, by David W. Cloud, p. 60; citing Acland, 
The Glorious Recovery of the Vadois, 1xvii, London, 1857)

Avenge, O Lord, thy slaughtered saints, whose bones
Lie scattered on the Alpine mountains cold;
Even them who kept thy truth so pure of old,
When all our fathers worshiped stocks and stones … - John Milton, Puritan Christian (1608-1674)
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I'm sure this will make many GLP Cathartards cry to realize that the group you've been so revering were early Puritans falsely accused by Rome.

John Milton fully recognized them as his former Puritan brethren.

You neo-gnostics liars swallowed the Inquisition koolaid and actually ended up praising the people you hate the most - Puritans.

epiclol
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Everything you know is wrong. If you have read any modern new age history of the Cathars, everything you know is 100% fake history invented by Rome. So, you're actually helping the Roman Inquisition, fools.
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This should be permapinned.

I'm sick of stupid Satanic drone morons posting a "real Christians were Cathars!!!" when they don't even know Cathars weren't gnostics but proto-protestants. Since at very least the 12th century. At least that's as far back as the extant written records go. But we know there were non-gnostic and anti-papist Christians from the written record from the 4th century.

Actually, protestantism isn't a recent phenomenon at all. It's as old as the Book of Revelation which prophecied of it.
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I'm sure this will make many GLP Cathartards cry to realize that the group you've been so revering were early Puritans falsely accused by Rome.

John Milton fully recognized them as his former Puritan brethren.

You neo-gnostics liars swallowed the Inquisition koolaid and actually ended up praising the people you hate the most - Puritans.

epiclol
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nah GLP is into Judaism
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How does someone cry to realize?

You convincing or conveying?
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This should be permapinned.

I'm sick of stupid Satanic drone morons posting a "real Christians were Cathars!!!" when they don't even know Cathars weren't gnostics but proto-protestants. Since at very least the 12th century. At least that's as far back as the extant written records go. But we know there were non-gnostic and anti-papist Christians from the written record from the 4th century.

Actually, protestantism isn't a recent phenomenon at all. It's as old as the Book of Revelation which prophecied of it.
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Super-pin it to your chest, get a tattoo of it.

I get it, history is awesome. Most people can't even remember what they had for breakfast, 80% of people, so why are you yelling to them, they are Van Gogh.
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I'm sure this will make many GLP Cathartards cry to realize that the group you've been so revering were early Puritans falsely accused by Rome.

John Milton fully recognized them as his former Puritan brethren.

You neo-gnostics liars swallowed the Inquisition koolaid and actually ended up praising the people you hate the most - Puritans.

epiclol
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nah GLP is into Judaism
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They seem to have thought the Cathars would help them in their quasi-gnostic Luciferian new age narrative.

Actually, the Cathars don't do anything to help them. And what the so-called "neo-gnostics" demonstrate at every turn is that their hatred of the truth of Christ is so vitrolic, it even drives them to use Roman Inquisition fake history in the attempt to destroy Romanism, which they see as "Christianity", which isn't Christianity at all but Luciferianism!

That's how screwed up modern anachronistic, revisionist history is!

You have to dig, dig, dig, and dig some more to find an approximation of true history, because it's buried under a veritable mountain of BS.
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Anyways, get over it.
If you need 30 ft of text to explain something,without even mentioning the source, the message is void.
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Anyways, get over it.
If you need 30 ft of text to explain something,without even mentioning the source, the message is void.
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I gave you the sources for each quote.

Did you bother to read it, moron?

No?

It's there.
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Anyways, get over it.
If you need 30 ft of text to explain something,without even mentioning the source, the message is void.
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I gave you the sources for each quote.

Did you bother to read it, moron?

No?

It's there.
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why the attitude?
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I understand. You're not believing what you're hearing.

I know. That's what I want you to see.

I want you to truly understand (maybe for the first time in your life) just how brainwashed you are. And I also want you to see they some of us aren't.
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Anyways, get over it.
If you need 30 ft of text to explain something,without even mentioning the source, the message is void.
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I gave you the sources for each quote.

Did you bother to read it, moron?

No?

It's there.
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why the attitude?
 Quoting: MissCleo


Because they are so deserving of it.

Nor do I apologize for it.

I only hope to find more similar historical witness in this study so I may further grind their lying, delusional faces in it.

They are people that despise the truth, and I despise them.

They are the same creeping snakes of the world who murdered the real Cathars.
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Anyways, get over it.
If you need 30 ft of text to explain something,without even mentioning the source, the message is void.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69450821


I gave you the sources for each quote.

Did you bother to read it, moron?

No?

It's there.
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why the attitude?
 Quoting: MissCleo


Because they are so deserving of it.

Nor do I apologize for it.

I only hope to find more similar historical witness in this study so I may further grind their lying, delusional faces in it.

They are people that despise the truth, and I despise them.

They are the same creeping snakes of the world who murdered the real Cathars.
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heh.
Then you know nothing about Gnosticism or the practices.
Might as well remain a Van Gogh.
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I gave you the sources for each quote.

Did you bother to read it, moron?

No?

It's there.
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why the attitude?
 Quoting: MissCleo


Because they are so deserving of it.

Nor do I apologize for it.

I only hope to find more similar historical witness in this study so I may further grind their lying, delusional faces in it.

They are people that despise the truth, and I despise them.

They are the same creeping snakes of the world who murdered the real Cathars.
 Quoting: sisatsana888 77919409


heh.
Then you know nothing about Gnosticism or the practices.
Might as well remain a Van Gogh.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Get out of my thread, you stupid fool.

Either that, or write something true, you lying whore of Satan.
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why the attitude?
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Because they are so deserving of it.

Nor do I apologize for it.

I only hope to find more similar historical witness in this study so I may further grind their lying, delusional faces in it.

They are people that despise the truth, and I despise them.

They are the same creeping snakes of the world who murdered the real Cathars.
 Quoting: sisatsana888 77919409


heh.
Then you know nothing about Gnosticism or the practices.
Might as well remain a Van Gogh.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Get out of my thread, you stupid fool.

Either that, or write something true, you lying whore of Satan.
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heh.

You represent Satan well, with the behavior.
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Because they are so deserving of it.

Nor do I apologize for it.

I only hope to find more similar historical witness in this study so I may further grind their lying, delusional faces in it.

They are people that despise the truth, and I despise them.

They are the same creeping snakes of the world who murdered the real Cathars.
 Quoting: sisatsana888 77919409


heh.
Then you know nothing about Gnosticism or the practices.
Might as well remain a Van Gogh.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Get out of my thread, you stupid fool.

Either that, or write something true, you lying whore of Satan.
 Quoting: sisatsana888 77919409


heh.

You represent Satan well, with the behavior.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Satan doesn't tell the truth.

I do.

Go back to reading your stupid fortune cards and smoking whatever you smoke.

I'll defend the truth of the Cathars who gave their lives for the truth.

As for you, you can go to hell, you worthless chaff flakes.
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You idiots are so arrogant and ignorant, you actually believe we don't know anything about anti-docetic gnosticism when we've been the ones fighting against it since the first century, and fighting against Rome!

We are the Cathars! We are the Puritans!
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I'm sure this will make many GLP Cathartards cry to realize that the group you've been so revering were early Puritans falsely accused by Rome.

John Milton fully recognized them as his former Puritan brethren.

You neo-gnostics liars swallowed the Inquisition koolaid and actually ended up praising the people you hate the most - Puritans.

epiclol
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Peter forbade the usage of violence to expand the faith; Christ gave a far more severe warninging:

Matthew 24:49-51

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


No matter your disagreement with another concerning the faith, to hate them or be violent against them cause of it, is unacceptable.

Even if all the accusations the Catholic Church leveled where true, and the Cathar's, and Waldensses had a strange doctrine that truly deviated from the teachings of Christ, so what?

That is between them and Christ. If a Christian is believing wayward Doctrine's, do good to them and live by an example that causes them to be curious about the Doctrine you follow.
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I'm sure this will make many GLP Cathartards cry to realize that the group you've been so revering were early Puritans falsely accused by Rome.

John Milton fully recognized them as his former Puritan brethren.

You neo-gnostics liars swallowed the Inquisition koolaid and actually ended up praising the people you hate the most - Puritans.

epiclol
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Peter forbade the usage of violence to expand the faith; Christ gave a far more severe warninging:

Matthew 24:49-51

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


No matter your disagreement with another concerning the faith, to hate them or be violent against them cause of it, is unacceptable.

Even if all the accusations the Catholic Church leveled where true, and the Cathar's, and Waldensses had a strange doctrine that truly deviated from the teachings of Christ, so what?

That is between them and Christ. If a Christian is believing wayward Doctrine's, do good to them and live by an example that causes them to be curious about the Doctrine you follow.
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I'd never dream of physically harming pseudo-intellectual neo-gnostic Luciferians.

I'll just do something far worse - tell the truth.
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sethian gnosticism..
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sethian gnosticism..
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Catholic BS accusing cathars of what they practice.

If you want to know who the Luciferian gnostics are, look to Vatican hill. That's where the Witch lives.
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This should be permapinned.

I'm sick of stupid Satanic drone morons posting a "real Christians were Cathars!!!" when they don't even know Cathars weren't gnostics but proto-protestants. Since at very least the 12th century. At least that's as far back as the extant written records go. But we know there were non-gnostic and anti-papist Christians from the written record from the 4th century.

Actually, protestantism isn't a recent phenomenon at all. It's as old as the Book of Revelation which prophecied of it.
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love this post!
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Oh, and one more thing...I do not give two rats turds about your feelings.

Babylon will fall and Burt you in it unless you come out of her by the truth.

And your time to do so grows short.
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I'm sure this will make many GLP Cathartards cry to realize that the group you've been so revering were early Puritans falsely accused by Rome.

John Milton fully recognized them as his former Puritan brethren.

You neo-gnostics liars swallowed the Inquisition koolaid and actually ended up praising the people you hate the most - Puritans.

epiclol
 Quoting: sisatsana888 77919409


Peter forbade the usage of violence to expand the faith; Christ gave a far more severe warninging:

Matthew 24:49-51

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


No matter your disagreement with another concerning the faith, to hate them or be violent against them cause of it, is unacceptable.

Even if all the accusations the Catholic Church leveled where true, and the Cathar's, and Waldensses had a strange doctrine that truly deviated from the teachings of Christ, so what?

That is between them and Christ. If a Christian is believing wayward Doctrine's, do good to them and live by an example that causes them to be curious about the Doctrine you follow.
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I'd never dream of physically harming pseudo-intellectual neo-gnostic Luciferians.

I'll just do something far worse - tell the truth.
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The vaticant is the whore. It's okay to point that out, as a matter of fact, it's our duty to point that out.
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What's the difference? To know Christ is to know yourself. Approach it either way.
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I'm sure this will make many GLP Cathartards cry to realize that the group you've been so revering were early Puritans falsely accused by Rome.

John Milton fully recognized them as his former Puritan brethren.

You neo-gnostics liars swallowed the Inquisition koolaid and actually ended up praising the people you hate the most - Puritans.

epiclol
 Quoting: sisatsana888 77919409


Peter forbade the usage of violence to expand the faith; Christ gave a far more severe warninging:

Matthew 24:49-51

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


No matter your disagreement with another concerning the faith, to hate them or be violent against them cause of it, is unacceptable.

Even if all the accusations the Catholic Church leveled where true, and the Cathar's, and Waldensses had a strange doctrine that truly deviated from the teachings of Christ, so what?

That is between them and Christ. If a Christian is believing wayward Doctrine's, do good to them and live by an example that causes them to be curious about the Doctrine you follow.
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I'd never dream of physically harming pseudo-intellectual neo-gnostic Luciferians.

I'll just do something far worse - tell the truth.
 Quoting: sisatsana888 77919409


The vaticant is the whore. It's okay to point that out, as a matter of fact, it's our duty to point that out.
 Quoting: hollyavila


I'm glad it is, because point it out I will.

I'll also point out that every accusation Rome made against the Cathars was damnable lie.

They were murdered in cold blood (men, women, and children) for being New Testament Christians standing against Rome.

And I will not suffer gladly little neo-gnostic piss ants defiling their memory.
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We are the Cathars! We are the Puritans!
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Oops, it looks like one "Cathar" is reincarnated as a Pharisee.
chuckle
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We are the Cathars! We are the Puritans!
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Oops, it looks like one "Cathar" is reincarnated as a Pharisee.
chuckle
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It looks like you've been licking your butthole too long and swallowing your shit.
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Re: The Cathars were not Gnostics, but Puritan Christians: Historical Witness from Luther to Voltaire
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Re: The Cathars were not Gnostics, but Puritan Christians: Historical Witness from Luther to Voltaire
The Cathar Myth: Church of the Holy Grail

Peyrat's treasure of Montségur became a cache of ancient knowledge in a theory advanced by an influential occultist, Joséphin Péladan. His friends - Charles Baudelaire, Joris-Karl Huysmans and others - called him Sr, as befitted his self-proclaimed status as descendant of the monarchs of ancient Assyria. Péladan-Sr pointed out that Montsalvat, the holy mountain of Wagner's Parzifal and Lohengrin, had to be Montségur. This led to the myth of the Pyrenean Holy Grail, the elusive secret behind western civilisation hidden in the mountains between France and Spain. However it is thus also with Peyrat's heretics hoarding an immense treasure that we have the origin of the treasure legend of Da Vinci Code's Abbe Sauniere, plus Saunier's Priory de Sion.

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