The iron/clay kingdom has not even started yet.

Interesting write up, ill re read a couple times. Judithz banned me from the pre trib rapture thread and deleted all my posts, so that's why I haven't posted there.

She can't afford to have the pre trib questioned, lol.

Daniel 8:23-25
There are other translations of this verse.
An interesting ommission from your translation actually.
It says "by no human hand" rather then only "hand".

I use the 1611KJV, the only English Bible that uses the original Greek for the NT and the original Hebrew for the OT. Because it has a copyright all other English Bibles have to have altered the wording by a certain amount before they qualify for a copyright. Christ is not human but He does have 'hands'.
These are about Jesus.

Re:16:15-16:
Behold,
I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth,
and keepeth his garments,
lest he walk naked,
and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne,
saying,
It is done.
And there were voices,
and thunders,
and lightnings;
and there was a great earthquake,
such as was not since men were upon the earth,
so mighty an earthquake,
and so great.
And the great city was divided into three parts,
and the cities of the nations fell:
and great Babylon came in remembrance before God,
to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
And every island fled away,
and the mountains were not found.
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven,
every stone about the weight of a talent:
and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail;
for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Zec:13:8-9:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.
Re:19:21:
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse,
which sword proceeded out of his mouth:
and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Isa:65:12-15:
Therefore will I number you to the sword,
and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter:
because when I called,
ye did not answer;
when I spake,
ye did not hear;
but did evil before mine eyes,
and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold,
my servants shall eat,
but ye shall be hungry:
behold,
my servants shall drink,
but ye shall be thirsty:
behold,
my servants shall rejoice,
but ye shall be ashamed:
Behold,
my servants shall sing for joy of heart,
but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart,
and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:

Being killed by Jesus on the same day the two witnesses are resurrected sees sinners and false Christians all go to hell for the 1,000 years.

She does have that right, banned members also have the right to put the rebuttal in a different thread. Rather than be silent I have decided to start posting threads, let the reader decide which version is more likely. I'm pretty sure I can defend what I write, if not I shouldn't be writing anything. This is my rapture verse, I put it where it fits in the whole end time sequence. What comes after us why Rome was in the brass rather than being the iron. The big difference is the 7 year trib is impossible, the 3 1/2 years Revelations pushes is a valid doctrine that can be verified.

Re:20:10:
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,
where the beast and the false prophet are,
and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Isa:51:6:
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.
Re:20:11:
And I saw a great white throne,
and him that sat on it,
from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away;
and there was found no place for them.
Heb:12:22-23:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb:12:23:
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,



Unsound doctrine today promotes a 7 year tribulation rather than a 3 1/2 year one that Revelations promotes.
Since that is a bruise event from Ge:3:15 it should follow the same pattern that precede the cross. That was also a 3 1/2 year period of time. How that is arrived at will be explained in greater detail below when the 70th week is explored.

Neb's vision covered a swath of time that went from the day Daniel did what Da:2 says he did for Neb. When Christ claims Jerusalem at the start of a global reign that is the defeat that gives Him those qualities. Head=qualified king over the earth and all living things in it. Silver is two strong arms referencing God and the Holy Spirit, legs that represent longevity and feet of iron as the ability to move things or something along that line. The authority over birds and beasts of the fields is in the book and fits in better with the 'day of the lord' series as it covers all the passages it appears in.

Da:2:32-35:
This image's head was of fine gold,
his breast and his arms of silver,
his belly and his thighs of brass,
His legs of iron,
his feet part of iron and part of clay.
Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands,
which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay,
and brake them to pieces.
Then was the iron,
the clay,
the brass,
the silver,
and the gold,
broken to pieces together,
and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors;
and the wind carried them away,
that no place was found for them:
and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain,
and filled the whole earth.

Da:2:36-39:
This is the dream;
and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
Thou,
O king,
art a king of kings:
for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom,
power,
and strength,
and glory.
And wheresoever the children of men dwell,
the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand,
and hath made thee ruler over them all. 
Thou art this head of gold.
And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee,
and another third kingdom of brass,
which shall bear rule over all the earth.

Alexander the Great only ruled over Jerusalem for about a year and for the rest of the time Greece controlled that city it was one General and Greece eventually lost control so that the 'little horn' verses could begin. They reference Rome's full 50 rule over Jerusalem and most of the known world at that time. The details of what is accomplished is in the 4 Gospels as well as the rest of the NT text and the last line is referencing the RCC having the correct text and the correct understanding as late as 323AD but with the change to a Latin Bible the truth was lost yet the false religion lived on just as it does today. Just revealing that the beloved Disciple who wrote the two most important NT books is pushed aside for false worship of Mary, mother of Jesus. Mary's sermon is for the events connected to the bruise to her son's heel. Her sacrifice at losing her 1st son has huge rewards attached to it. The last woman in Re:12 is Mary of Bethany who will be the first one of the 12 Tribes to be resurrected to life, she will be married to Jesus at that time. The New Earth era is their honeymoon.

Da:8:8-12:
Therefore the he goat waxed very great:
and when he was strong,
the great horn was broken;
and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,
which waxed exceeding great,
toward the south,
and toward the east,
and toward the pleasant land.
And it waxed great,
even to the host of heaven;
and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground,
and stamped upon them.
Yea,
he magnified himself even to the prince of the host,
and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away,
and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it cast down the truth to the ground;
and it practised,
and prospered.

The time below goes from when the 70 weeks started with the day John the Baptist was called (26AD as 3 1/2 years later 30AD Passover was on a Friday happened and 3 1/2 years after that Peter started teaching Gentile in Acts:10)
The last anointing was the ride into Jerusalem as that was a prophecy that was to be fulfilled by a King rather than by the High Priest that Jesus was during the Gospels. The anointing the night before by Mary of Bethany was to do with His death later that same day.  Fulfillment of the bruise to the heel is an important way point as far as the reconciliation of mankind back to God.

Da:9:24:
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
to finish the transgression,
and to make an end of sins,
and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
and to anoint the most Holy.
Da:9:25:
Know therefore and understand,
that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks,
and threescore and two weeks:
the street shall be built again,
and the wall,
even in troublous times.

The troublesome times would be the whole time between Greece losing control of Jerusalem and Rome gaining control in 63BC.

Da:9:26:
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off,
but not for himself:
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
and the end thereof shall be with a flood,
and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

When God called John the Baptist the clock started on a period of 3 1/2 that would unwind before the event mentioned at mid-week. The Gospel of John contains some events after Jesus came back from the wilderness but before John was in prison. The Gospels of Matthew and Mark skip over until Jesus was no longer cut-off from being the High Priest at a level that was higher than just for the 12 Tribes.
Romans:13 gave the leaders of Rome authority to use the sword against evil as a way of protecting its own people from danger, so Rome has as much authority at that point as Neb did about 600 years earlier. Neb's is called God's servant more than once in Scripture. The last desolation to happen is the 7 vials and that is over a few hours after it starts, Prior to that is 3 1/2 years when fallen angels are the cause of much tribulation and for 4 days before that the earth experiences physical acts attributed to prophecy that show the coming events are literal rather than figurative.

The 'he' in the verse below is God, the same mentioned in association with covenants at the start of the 70 weeks passage. Mid week was the cross and Acts:10 was 3 1/2 years later.Prior to that Stephen was killed, the blood sacrifices continued and the money-changers returned. The consummation is the scattering mentioned in De:4:30 and the scattering associated with it.  The consummation would be when Jesus says, 'It is finished.' as He pours out the 7th vial and the next event is the resurrection that happen as Re:10 unfolds as that is associated with Re:20:4.

Da:9:27:
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
even until the consummation,
and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Da:9:4:
And I prayed unto the LORD my God,
and made my confession,
and said,
O Lord,
the great and dreadful God,
keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him,
and to them that keep his commandments;

Da:8:18-23:
Now as he was speaking with me,
I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground:
but he touched me,
and set me upright.
And he said,
Behold,
I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation:
for at the time appointed the end shall be.
he ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
And the rough goat is the king of Grecia:
and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Now that being broken,
whereas four stood up for it,
four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation,
but not in his power.
And in the latter time of their kingdom,
when the transgressors are come to the full,
a king of fierce countenance,
and understanding dark sentences,
shall stand up.

The first and last verse in the selection below takes place at the start of Re:11 and the start of the 1260 days the two witnesses are active and the last verse is also for that same place. The 12 in between are for the Apostles and their stay in Jerusalem until 70AD. 70AD was the time the temple in Re:4 became the active way to repent your sins. Saying the Lord's Prayer will get your prayers heard as they rise as vapor from the altar. Daniel used the same method when he was in exile in Neb's Babylon. The list of things given in the 70 weeks verses should have been experienced during that time. If not the rest of the NT would also be just as valid.

Lu:21:11-25:
And great earthquakes shall be in divers places,
and famines,
and pestilences;
and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

But before all these,
they shall lay their hands on you,
and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues,
and into prisons,
being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
And it shall turn to
you for a testimony.
Settle it therefore in your hearts,
not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
or I will give you a mouth and wisdom,
which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
And ye shall be betrayed both by parents,
and brethren,
and kinsfolks,
and friends;
and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
In your patience possess ye your souls.
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies,
then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains;
and let them which are in the midst of it depart out;
and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
For these be the days of vengeance,
that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
But woe unto them that are with child,
and to them that give suck,
in those days!
for there shall be great distress in the land,
and wrath upon this people.
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword,
and shall be led away captive into all nations:
and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,
until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

And there shall be signs in the sun,
and in the moon,
and in the stars;
and upon the earth distress of nations,
with perplexity;
the sea and the waves roaring;

Re:11:1-13:
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod:
and the angel stood,
saying,
Rise,
and measure the temple of God,
and the altar,
and them that worship therein.
But the court which is without the temple leave out,
and measure it not;
for it is given unto the Gentiles:
and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days,
clothed in sackcloth.

Revelations of Saint John the Baptist as recorded by his Disciple that was there from the beginning. The RCC and Fatima should be looking at Mary of Bethany as being the one closest to Jesus during the time associated with the bruise to Satan's head. The mother of Jesus had her role as described in the 4 Gospels, being a daughter of Aaron and bit long in age she was no slouch when it came to having an opinion about Godly things. Wife of Christ topic.

The Gospel According To John (the Baptist) as written by his un-named Disciple as John was her title.
Joh:1:18-23:
No man hath seen God at any time;
the only begotten Son,
which is in the bosom of the Father,
he hath declared him.
And this is the record of John,
when the jewish sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him,
Who art thou?
And he confessed,
and denied not;
but confessed,
I am not the Christ.
And they asked him,
What then?
Art thou Elias?
And he saith,
I am not.
Art thou that prophet?
And he answered,
No.
Then said they unto him,
Who art thou?
that we may give an answer to them that sent us.
What sayest thou of thyself?
He said,
I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness,
Make straight the way of the Lord,
as said the prophet Esaias.

Joh:1:34-37:
And I saw,
and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Again the next day after John stood,
and two of his disciples;
And looking upon Jesus as he walked,
he saith,
Behold the Lamb of God!
And the two disciples heard him speak,
and they followed Jesus.

Joh:21:24:
This is the disciple which testifieth of these things,
and wrote these things:
and we know that his testimony is true.
Joh:21:25:
And there are also many other things which Jesus did,
the which,
if they should be written every one,
I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written.
Amen.

The Revelation of St. John the divine
Re:1:1:
The Revelation of Jesus Christ,
which God gave unto him,
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:


Re:1 is an introduction to the time of the 'latter days' mentioned in the De:4:30 prophecy. The verse below shows that all Gentiles on the planet are the audience the message is for. With our ability to read the Bible in a study mode rather than reading it like a novel. An 1611KJV text in an e-bible is a required tool and that has only been available just recently. The ability to talk with others is also at a level that would have been impossible before. That means Revelations can act as an index and certain phrases can be used to find the other references in the book. The term 'day of the lord' will get about 24 replies and when those passages have been referenced the best picture of what that term means is a lot clearer. There is more text than just those few references.

Re:1:7:
Behold,
he cometh with clouds;
and every eye shall see him,
and they also which pierced him:
and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
Even so,
Amen.

Paul was stopped from preaching in Asia and he moved onto Rome. These 7 letters that follow are to locations in Asia and they all have bearing in the 1st NT Law, Love God.  Since the last 3 1/2 years before the 7th trump sounds has prophecies that must be fulfilled.  Re:7 has 144,000 sealed before any trump sounds. Daniel's reference to 1290 days is 30 days that happens before the block of time that is 3 1/2 years long. The first event is the coals from heaven in Re:8 and that would be an event that is like Saul experienced only people have a choice on what happens after that. The trumps represent literal events that are dangerous to your life. The 7 letters are basically 14 relationships that a person can have with the word 'God'. The time to repents goes all the way to when the people give glory to God in Re:11 as the last event before the vials are poured out.  The Gentiles mentioned in Re:11 at the start are Gentiles who have one of the 7 relationships that God approves of. Prayers for help will get results through the two witnesses and their ability to manipulate elements of the earth's parts. A better mousetrap combined with Murphy's Law and catch-22 all come into play at once to keep repented Gentiles safe so they end up being witnesses to what went on during the time of the trumps.

That takes up Re:1-3

Re:4-5 is the temple that is measured at the start of Re:11. It became the temple after the one in Jerusalem was dismantled, the prophecy in Luke:12:24 is the last of 12 verses that are specific to the Apostles as they stayed in Jerusalem after Stephen was killed until the armies surrounded Jerusalem and then they joined the ones who left when Stephen was killed. Daniel would have had his prayers do the same as he was in exile at the time he wrote his book. That is the best book to study once Revelations is done, in particular the iron/clay kingdom.

Re:6 is the seals prophecies and they are nor events by themselves. They carry the same weight as the metal statue vision in Da:2 has on being able to understand the rest of the book

The quick version is God is the rider and the white horse is the Holy Spirit, the same two that were in Ge:1. What is hidden from view is the tool they use to begin the start of the day that only God knows. Certain prophecies have to unfold. Christ is the authority behind the power of the two witnesses as well as the one who pours out the 7 vials which is the 3rd woe. That one alone is referred to as 'great tribulation', the previous 2 are knows as tribulation during the latter days.

Isa:49:2:
And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword;
in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me,
and made me a polished shaft;
in his quiver hath he hid me;

That is manifest when the sealing in Re:7 takes place and the 12 Tribes are the first granted protection and that many will live to see the vials poured out on the sinners in the world.

Re:7 is the beginning and end of salvation. The 144,000 represent the whole of the people that will be alive for the 1,000 year reign and the 2nd group mentioned is the ones that will appear before God at the Great White Throne.

Re:8 is the fulfillment of seals 2 and 3. The math works out that all 4 sound in 4 days and the world goes from 'civil law' to 'Martial Law' and the red sword would be the leaders of the nations using the sword they were left in Romans:13 is now used against the people it was meant to protect. Food will be hoarded by them. At the end of 4 days the 5th trump sounds and Satan and the Beast from the pit begin their appointed role in the last tribulation.
Ends with a warning that the next 3 trumps will bring woes that are increasingly worse. That is the fulfillment of the 4th seal's reference to hell and death. The 5th trump is the 1st woe and it lasts for a period of 5 months that come off a total of 42. Pain without death is what hell is, the 6th trump is the 2nd woe and Satan and Co are allowed to kill off 1/3 of all people on the planet in 37 months (1110 days). The 2nd woe is said to end in Re:11 and then the 3rd woe is supposed to follow. The vials are the start of the 3rd woe and it is not over until God has all of the ones in the grave standing before Him in a day called Judgement Day. The location is the 3rd heaven and the angels gathered there with the gathered  that saw the 1,000 years unfold in real-time.

Heb:12:22:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb:12:23:
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

The longer version of their relationship with God is found in Isaiah:65. The new earth verses would pick it up where Re:22 leaves it. The people alive for the 1,000 years will remain in Jerusalem (it is new Jerusalem that is being mentioned) and the ones called 'the rest' will make their homes outside of the city in a place called the new earth. That is the same place holy angels are but they stay in Mount Sion as that is their promised new heaven, a perfected version of what they currently have. It is called the city of God, the Temple and new Jerusalem are the only mentioned in the Bible. Why Adam was created as two beings is the best place to cover that Scripture. It proposes the 4 beasts around the Re:4 temple are the parents of God and the Holy Spirit and when creation in Ge:1 says 'after their kind' it is these 4 beings that are the source of the seeds. Primates have the have of a man, Adam and Ever were modeled after God and the Holy Spirits having a child that was born perfected. Angels in the 3rd heaven can be given in marriage as their child will be born perfected and can never fall into sin. God's witness of the creation of the physical earth is in Ge:1 and starts 4BYA. The Holy Spirit's witness of creation is through the eyes of Adam who was created in 400,000BC and married Eve on the last day of that period of time. A family unit is pretty much universal with all life on this earth that is made of flesh.  The Bride is the best place to expand on that.

Re:9 covers a total of 42 months (1260) days

Re:10 is the salvation of the people who live through the 7 vials that are poured out in just a few hours after the two witnesses are at cloud height. When the sinners are all dead that is the fulfillment of all things to do with the two bruises in Ge:3:15. The resurrection then begins as defined in Eze:37 and they and the Church are the whole population for the 1,000 year reign. Israel is resurrected onto the holy land but to be glorified like Jesus was they have to visit the river as described in Eze:47.  That is done in the first 45 days as the Church will come from the east so they can do the same before they step on holy ground. The 1,000 years is a training period, the final exam is surviving the fire that sends all fallen angels to the fiery lake.
The book of life is the one being mentioned, bitter because the writer knew many names were missing. They are in the books that are opened at the GWT event. Like door #2 rather than door #1

Re:11 covers a period of 1264 days when satan owns the world except for Jerusalem. God allows then 4 days to install a false throne on holy ground before they lose control in a war that starts out with Christ using the same fire that destroyed Sodom.

Re:12 Already covered

Re:13 expansion on the first 2 woes, the split should be at the 5 month mark as that fits others references

Re:14-20 is set to take place in that 3 1/2 year time frame. That comes up in a lot of detail when Daniel's brass and iron kingdoms are examined closely. It is part of 24 references to 'day of the lord' as well as any prophecy in the 12 books listed after Daniel in the OT. That would be after Daniel covered

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Re:12:1:
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven;
a woman clothed with the sun,
and the moon under her feet,
and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Re:12:2:
And she being with child cried,
travailing in birth,
and pained to be delivered.

This woman is Eve and the pain mentioned is associated with the pain given by God. The 12 starts are children of hers that have been gathered when Re:12 was written. The 24 Elders are from mankind and their full numbers would have been completed when some OT saints were resurrected and ascended to heaven with Jesus on the morning He was resurrected

Re:12:3:
And there appeared another wonder in heaven;
and behold a great red dragon,
having seven heads and ten horns,
and seven crowns upon his heads.
Re:12:4:
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven,
and did cast them to the earth:
and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered,
for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Ge:6 and the attempt to exterminate 5 fingered people, Noah and family were the last 5 fingered people alive, even the 3 other wives were 6 fingered females.

Re:12:5:
And she brought forth a man child,
who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron:
and her child was caught up unto God,
and to his throne.
Re:12:6:
And the woman fled into the wilderness,
where she hath a place prepared of God,
that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Mary and her father's heritage is given in Luke and it goes back to Adam. John and Jesus have a combined time of 3 1/2 years and their mothers were cousins so that is the same family.

Re:12:7:
And there was war in heaven:
Michael and his angels fought against the dragon;
and the dragon fought and his angels,
Re:12:8:
And prevailed not;
neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Prophecy.
Jude:1:14-16:
And Enoch also,
the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these,
saying,
Behold,
the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
To execute judgment upon all,
and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed,
and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
These are murmurers,
complainers,
walking after their own lusts;
and their mouth speaketh great swelling words,
having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

Historical event.
De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

The Pit is where immortal fallen angels were put and the flood drowned all their children.

Re:12:9:
And the great dragon was cast out,
that old serpent,
called the Devil,
and Satan,
which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth,
and his angels were cast out with him.

Re:9:1:
And the fifth angel sounded,
and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth:
and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Re:12:10:
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,
Now is come salvation,
and strength,
and the kingdom of our God,
and the power of his Christ:
for the accuser of our brethren is cast down,
which accused them before our God day and night.
Re:12:11:
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,
and by the word of their testimony;
and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Death for an angel is being awake in the Pit and in the fiery lake when they are sent there. Satan is sent to the Pit at the return as they have to be sent there before they can be sent to the lake. Hell is a locked cage and that is where men that are sent to hell will be from when Jesus kills them until God unlocks the cage at the Great White Throne event.

Re:12:12:
Therefore rejoice,
ye heavens,
and ye that dwell in them.
Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea!
for the devil is come down unto you,
having great wrath,
because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

There is 42 months (1260 days) between the 5th trump sounding and the 7th trump sounding. The 7 vials are poured out as soon as the 7th trump sounds and within a few hours all sinners are dead.

Re:12:13:
And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth,
he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Re:12:14:
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle,
that she might fly into the wilderness,
into her place,
where she is nourished for a time,
and times,
and half a time,
from the face of the serpent.

This is the 144,000 that are sealed before any trump sounds, along with them are the repented gentiles who are counted as being in the temple, the Re:4 Temple is accessed by saying a prayer, it is the same place Daniel's prayers ended up to be heard by God

Re:12:15:
And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman,
that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Re:12:16:
And the earth helped the woman,
and the earth opened her mouth,
and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Re:12:17:
And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The remnant are the two witnesses alone. They are still in the brass just like Rome was when the 'time of the Gentiles began in 70AD (Luke:21:24) When they die that is when the iron/clay has control of Jerusalem, 4 days later that control is removed as that is the day Jesus returns and by the end of the same day all resurrections have taken place and they and the living go to the Eze:47 river to be glorified rather than ascending to the temple in heaven like Jesus did.

Since the reference material has lots of different passages that add detail to this passage I will try to stick to this chapter alone after stating that this covers the first 2 woes that are all of the 5th and 6th trumps in Re:9 and all of Da:11:2-Da:12:3 as the 3 verses in Da:12 is the end of the passage while the last verse in Da:11 is the endAC of that reign. The reign is the iron/clay and where the chapter ends is their destruction after the 7th trump sounds the 7 vials are poured out in just a few days.

Each grain of sand represents 1 fallen angel. Eventually they all stand up when Satan has his 'little season' and collectively God sends them all to the fiery lake. Fallen angels share common traits and the law in Re:21 is the immortal beings are under. The glorified body Jesus had when He was with a few followers is the same immortal body that the 1,000 year crowd will have in order to live that long and be judged by to be sinless (Re:21 laws) so they remain alive while fallen angels are sent to eternal torment.

The 7 heads represent the 7 articles in that set of laws and fallen angels break every one of them. Liars are common to all of them. Horns are voices and the crown means they are masters rather than being a minion like the 10 men that worship the Beast are. Their desire is to be worshipped rather than be worshipped. Having a child before the flood didn't turn out at all well for either party. Blasphemy is preaching an opposite meaning to what these terms mean. " fearful, and unbelieving, the abominable, murderers, whoremongers, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars"

Re:13:1:
And I stood upon the sand of the sea,
and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
having seven heads and ten horns,
and upon his horns ten crowns,
and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

The ones below related to Da:7 as that chapter is a summation of the statue in Da:2 and the chapters that expand on the 4 kingdoms. The iron/clay kingdom is the 4th beast in Da:7 and Revelations would reference them as Satan and the Beast from the Pit. Da:11 has them as the north and south kind with the one with the daughter being Satan as he is the red dragon and the daughter is the harlot.

Re:13:2:
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard,
and his feet were as the feet of a bear,
and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power,
and his seat,
and great authority.

Satan is the falling mountain in the 5th trump and the key he is given lets him retrieve one fallen angel that was put in the Pit during the flood. The water killed their children, immortals cannot die by any means other than the fiery lake.
Prophecy.
Jude:1:14:
And Enoch also,
the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these,
saying,
Behold,
the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Historical event.
De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

Jude also tells us their first sin was taking women in marriage. Angels were made less than perfect so to keep any child being born and falling into sin would mean they end up in the fiery lake. To prevent that they are not given in marriage. The heads are the 7 points in the laws as stated above. A bigger part of the program before the flood was the attempt to exterminate all 5-fingered people, Noah and his wife and 3 sons were the last 5-fingered people. The Beast from the Pit was neck deep in that program and when he is loose he picks it up right where he left off.

Re:13:3:
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death;
and his deadly wound was healed:
and all the world wondered after the beast.

Within 1 hours the nations of the world surrenders and he appoints 10 men to head the 10 nations that are revived . The flood was global so the reign they had back then was also global. The system the Giants ran will be reinstated and it will be banking and merchants more or less. Jesus confronted the money-changers two times at Passover.
'They' is the 10 toes in the iron/clay. The 10 men in the vision and explanations in both Da:7 and Re:17 cover the same 10 men. Time, times and 1/2 time is referencing the 3 1/2 days the two witnesses are in the grave. Their exploit in Da:11:32 is their resurrection rather than anything they do in their ministry. Their mission is to protect the holy ground in Jerusalem so a throne cannot be set up until the 3 1/2 days have started. The Beast from the Pit that kills them is in the fiery lake by the end of the day they are resurrected.

Re:13:4:
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:
and they worshipped the beast,
saying,
Who is like unto the beast?
who is able to make war with him?

The 10 men will have 2/3 of all Gentiles as fellow worshipers on the day of the return. The false throne has to also be worshipped and God cuts a fine line for some who break free of the deception when they witness the two witnesses come back to life with their own eyes. If they run fast enough the fire that destroyed Sodom will not catch them before they are past the first horizon.

Re:13:5:
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies;
and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

The two witnesses start their 1260 days when the 1st trump sounds, the Beast that kills then starts his 42 months (1260 days) on the day the 5th trump sounds and his time is up 4 days after he kills them. That tells you the first 4 trumps sounds in 4 days.
This is what Satan and the Beast preach during their time.

Re:13:6:
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God,
to blaspheme his name,
and his tabernacle,
and them that dwell in heaven.

The saints are the remnant of the last woman in Re:12 and that is the two witnesses alone. Moses and Aaron held off an over-powering force with God's help. These two have Christ as their 'back-up'

Re:13:7:
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints,
and to overcome them:
and power was given him over all kindreds,
and tongues,
and nations.

The repented Gentiles and the 144,000 from the 12 Tribes are sealed from anything that can harm them. They are the last woman in Re:12 and they are 'isolated' rather than having any power. Prayers are all they have, it is enough to make them living witnesses.

Re:13:8:
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him,
whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

As soon as the 7 vials kill all sinners Jesus builds a Temple of stone and then the resurrection of Re:20:4 takes place. That is the book that is opened in Re:10 and only the names of the ones that will be alive for the 1,000 years are read out. The missing names are read out 1,000 years later at the GWT event. Nobody is lost by the end of that day.

Re:13:9:
If any man have an ear,
let him hear.
Re:13:10:
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity:
he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.
Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Children of the light have the true understanding of why the Bible even exists.

Isa:42:9:
Behold,
the former things are come to pass,
and new things do I declare:
before they spring forth I tell you of them.

When the 5th trump is over in 5 months the 6th trump sounds and that is 4 fallen angels manifesting as 200M angelic horsemen, the fallen angel that heads then is called the False Prophet. That would make hin appear to be Jesus and the armies from heaven (the 10,000 Saints in Jude)

Re:13:11:
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth;
and he had two horns like a lamb,
and he spake as a dragon.

It supports what the Beasts and Satan were promoting at their start 5 months earlier. They are allowed to kill 1/3 of all gentiles on the planet in the 37 months that remain of the Beast's original 42 months.

Re:13:12:
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him,
and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast,
whose deadly wound was healed.

The fire is an imitation of the fire that was used on Sodom. Jesus melts Jerusalem on His return as that is where they are on the day He resurrects the two witnesses from the grave.

Re:13:13:
And he doeth great wonders,
so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

In the 37 months a false throne is built in the nations and brought to Jerusalem. Since God only allows Jerusalem to be in their hands for 3 1/2 days they erect a tent that fits the one Moses erected.

Re:13:14:
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
saying to them that dwell on the earth,
that they should make an image to the beast,
which had the wound by a sword,
and did live.

Fallen angels doing things as impressive as they were before the flood. They can kill, they cannot resurrect what they kill.
The false throne has to have a voice as it is trying to be the one in Re:4. The Holy Spirit is the throne in that temple and she is the throne in New Jerusalem. Having even a fake throne declare that Satan is God is the sin that reaches into heaven and the one that is never forgiven. That means the chains Satan is bound by are not taken off when he is thrown into the lake while there are no chains on any of the other fallen angels.

Re:13:15:
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast,
that the image of the beast should both speak,
and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

2nd part of having the mark of the Beast. It makes a person a merchant that buys and sells while a consumer only buys things. It is run the same as company town are.

Re:13:16:
And he causeth all,
both small and great,
rich and poor,
free and bond,
to receive a mark in their right hand,
or in their foreheads:
Re:13:17:
And that no man might buy or sell,
save he that had the mark,
or the name of the beast,
or the number of his name.

6.66B Gentiles between the age of 20 and 120 years. Satan kills 1/3 and Jesus kills 2/3 of the ones that remain. The 1/3 that survive is the Gentile Church that have overcome their flaws.

Re:13:18:
Here is wisdom.
Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
for it is the number of a man;
and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


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If you speed read all these it may answer a few of your questions. Rather than make you write thing out if you bold some of the text I will expand on that part.

1260 days for the two witnesses and then they die and 4 days later Jesus resurrects then and that is the end of the 2nd woe and the start of the 3rd woe which include sending the beast to the lake so that is the day his 42 months are over. Day 1 for the two witnesses is the day the 1st trump sounds so they start 4 days before the beast and because the times are equal there 4 days that the Beast has after the two witnesses are killed. (those 4 days are when Satan does the throne thing from 2Thess:2)

Re:7:1-3:
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth,
holding the four winds of the earth,
that the wind should not blow on the earth,
nor on the sea,
nor on any tree.
And I saw another angel ascending from the east,
having the seal of the living God:
and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels,
to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Saying,
Hurt not the earth,
neither the sea,
nor the trees,
till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Re:11:3:
And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days,
clothed in sackcloth.
Re:13:1-4:
And I stood upon the sand of the sea,
and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
having seven heads and ten horns,
and upon his horns ten crowns,
and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard,
and his feet were as the feet of a bear,
and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power,
and his seat,
and great authority.
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death;
and his deadly wound was healed:
and all the world wondered after the beast.
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:
and they worshipped the beast,
saying,
Who is like unto the beast?
who is able to make war with him?
Re:8:13:
And I beheld,
and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice,
Woe,
woe,
woe,
to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!
Re:13:5:
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies;
and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Re:8:13:
And I beheld,
and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice,
Woe,
woe,
woe,
to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!
Re:9:1:
And the fifth angel sounded,
and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth:
and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Re:9:5:
And to them it was given that they should not kill them,
but that they should be tormented five months:
and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion,
when he striketh a man.
Re:9:11-15:
And they had a king over them,
which is the angel of the bottomless pit,
whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon,
but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
One woe is past;
and,
behold,
there come two woes more hereafter.
And the sixth angel sounded,
and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet,
Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
And the four angels were loosed,
which were prepared for an hour,
and a day,
and a month,
and a year,
for to slay the third part of men.
Re:11:13-15:
And the same hour was there a great earthquake,
and the tenth part of the city fell,
and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand:
and the remnant were affrighted,
and gave glory to the God of heaven.
The second woe is past;
and,
behold,
the third woe cometh quickly.
And the seventh angel sounded;
and there were great voices in heaven,
saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord,
and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Re:18:8:
Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,
death,
and mourning,
and famine;
and she shall be utterly burned with fire:
for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Re:16:1-2:
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels,
Go your ways,
and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
And the first went,
and poured out his vial upon the earth;
and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast,
and upon them which worshipped his image.
Re:16:15-21:
Behold,
I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth,
and keepeth his garments,
lest he walk naked,
and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne,
saying,
It is done.
And there were voices,
and thunders,
and lightnings;
and there was a great earthquake,
such as was not since men were upon the earth,
so mighty an earthquake,
and so great.
And the great city was divided into three parts,
and the cities of the nations fell:
and great Babylon came in remembrance before God,
to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
And every island fled away,
and the mountains were not found.
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven,
every stone about the weight of a talent:
and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail;
for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Re:11:7:
And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them,
and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Re:11:11:
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them,
and they stood upon their feet;
and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Re:16:13:
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon,
and out of the mouth of the beast,
and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Re:19:20:
And the beast was taken,
and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him,
with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast,
and them that worshipped his image.
These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Re:20:10:
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,
where the beast and the false prophet are,
and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Last Edited by Wayfaring Stranger on 08/03/2019 11:21 PM

Yeah be afraid, be very afraid!