Saturn Isn't What We Think it is...

Here you are - the Ancient Greeks based much of their astronomy on the Moon.

[link to ecampus.matc.edu]

Sorry, had misread your question. The Babylonians were the first who referred to the Moon in their tablets 2 millennia BC:

"When the Moon disappears, evil will befall the land. When the Moon disappears out of its reckoning, an eclipse will take place".

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The only planet that I know of that appears with horns is the Moon because of the crescent. Possibly Venus as well if you've got good eyes. But not Saturn.

The main god were the Sun and Moon gods - Sun usually male and Moon usually female.

I hate to admit it but you are right.

Its all rooted in the Bible and the Bible clearly depicts a flat domed plane of existence.

Density/Buoyancy are the laws here not gravity.

Its all very simple they insist on making it bigger and more complex to baffle people and keep them from the truth.

The mountain at the center is undergoing changes soon. Christs return is upon this generation IMO

No such thing as Satan, no one has ever seen the ugly bastard nor ever talked to him, total made up story!

If you want to really TORTURE a person who is interested
in symbolism...you could chain them into a rigid chair,
pin their eye lids open...and FORCE THEM to watch this
video for hours on end.

That is my rating for this video--mainly because symbolism
is a passion for me and I often host threads on GLP on
various studies on symbols. (As you probably noticed on
page 2, I have been studying the symbol for the Argha NOA
especially carefully since the soft disclosure concerning
the Solar Micro-Nova Clock Cycle announced last December
on GLP with the video series from Douglas Vogt.) The Argha
Noa is carved on a pillar at Gobekli Tepe, Turkey and
aged to 12,000 years ago--it may be the OLDEST creation/
cataclysm symbol on the planet:



This author Ike seems to want ALL SYMBOLS--which contain an "orb"
or a crescent/circle--to be somehow related to Saturn and he isn't just a "little off" he is "way way OFF" (IMHO!)

You can EASILY debunk (yourself) at least ONE of his reference where the winged-
bird from Egypt at the 4:53 min mark in the video with the red orb
and crescent above it...Ike suggests is supposed to be about Saturn.

:SantaKhepra:
This was my Christmas Avatar years ago...so the
"santa hat" is added...but Ike would have us believe
that this "bird" or "scarab beetle" holding the red
orb and crescent--SATURN?--above it, is related to
satanism. I've researched this symbol and I know for
sure it has nothing to do with SATURN or satanism or
any of the gobbly-Goop he is putting out there in the
video. The Scarab Beetle is the stand-in the for Goddess
Khepra (they're interchangeable) and references a once
red giant star called "Vela."

This artifact is from the tomb of King Tutankamun and
is called "King Tut's Brooch" (it is a small decorative
altar piece, not jewelry.) IF YOU FOCUS ON THE TOP of
this artifact (said to be at least 12,000 years old) you
can see a SPECIFIC MESSAGE from the ancients carved into
the center of what IKE would have us believe is SATURN (NO,
it isn't Saturn or anything whatsoever to do with that
planet):



BLOW UP OF THE TOP OF THE "ORB" OF Ike's so-called SATURN:



The winged bird at the 4:53 min mark of the video which
Ike claims is Saturn--is actually representing a former
RED GIANT STAR (called "Vela") which the ancient Egyptians
once revered as a "Goddess." Unfortunately--and the story
which is carved into the TOP ORB of this artifact (NOT
SATURN) is the dual "event" of the Solar Micro-Nova
and the SUPERNOVA OF THE STAR VELA (known as the Goddess
Khepra/Khepri.) George Michanowski in his book "The Once
and Future Star" deciphered the whole ancient disaster of
the Vela Super Nova and it has ZERO TO DO WITH SATURN!
The "1/2 crescents" below the TWO ORBS represent STARS....
ONE IS VELA and ONE IS OUR SUN...both have 1/2 crescents
because this is the GRAVITATIONAL WAVE and DEBRIS SHELL
that is exploded out during both a "super" and a "micro"
NOVA. The messengers are attempting to warn humanity of
this "deadly cycle" of triggering events that affects our
sun. See this link for more info on the Solar Micro-nova:
Thread: Greatest Secret of the United States, Causes of the Ice Age and Nova,

Here is a brief video where Dr. Stephen Mehler reports
about the global disaster in 9,500 b.c. (the same timeline
for the last Solar Micro-Nova probably TRIGGERED by the
Vela Supernova) which speaks of this great star that
"disappeared from the Heavens" in one catastrophic event:


[link to youtu.be (secure)]

8 Minute duration. Stephen Mehler of
Khemetology reports the disturbing discovery
of global catastrophe around 12,000 years ago
which involved the red giant star "Vela" which
could be seen at the horizon as the "sun's companion"
before it went supernova around 9,500 b.c.

This is a good thread covering much research for this
topic if you are interested in more from GLP's "Bridge of Sighs":

So you see, grouping ALL SYMBOLS with an "orb and a
crescent or circle" do NOT ALL POINT TO SATURN and Ike
is doing a huge disservice to people wanting to know
about symbolism (and who have never done their own
"homework") to mislead them.


O'sCookie
Thread: Thought I'd something more to say...

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bump

I didn't know that. I have never read or seen where he claims to be the messiah...I will check this out..thanks!

Here is an article about Ike claiming to be Jesus:
[link to w1nnersclub.com (secure)]

This video on your thread, Jewlz, is the first ever I have watched Ike but I
know he was a guest awhile back on the Jeff Rense Show
and that he thinks he is an "expert"--well, guess what
I think he's fooling lots of people!

Here is another version of the 1/2 crescent and ORB from
the days of the Greeks...They show the 7 stars of PLEIADES
with the crescent...this is a STAR LOCATION (probably where
Vela was in the Heavens before it went Supernova.)


You can see the 7 stars of the Pleiades that
is referenced with the "Argha Noa" symbol. It
isn't related to SATURN at all and Ike's trying
to group all these symbols under ONE UMBRELLA is
very misleading!


O'sCookie

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Thanks for your input. As I like to say a lot. It isn't so much what I believe...it is what other's believe and if they follow the worshiping of Saturn, do they follow the same symbolism?
I find occultism interesting and Icke's interpretation was an interesting take on things. Thanks for the video also...watching now!

Have to distinguish God from paganism. Most have no idea what "paganism" is. How the structure stays exactly the same over time and is just like it was in the Old Testament. Nothing has changed.

Jesus Christ is the real deal, and the only hope for any of us.

I'd strongly recommend reading the book of Romans.

Oh nothing negative towards you for posting this. In fact,
it brings up some truly important topics as "spin-off's"
which is why I really appreciate threads like yours. Thanks!

I have wondered what was up with David Ike because I have
noticed other derrogatory threads on GLP over the years but
never stopped in to watch anything as I did on your thread
today--it was the FIRST intro to his research...and of course,
the last! lol!

I don't doubt that there IS SUCH A THING AS SATURN WORSHIP
...but not everything Ike wants to put under the "same
umbrella" as we see with all his "orb and crescent" symbols
supposedly pointing us toward SATURN (which they are not!)

Hey! I've got an interesting little tid-bit for you, OP!

Where is the STRANGEST PLACE a symbol like the Argha Noa
shows up...and THIS WILL BE AN "AH HA! MOMENT" FOR SOME...

It is in the Leonardo DaVinci mural "The Last Supper!"


"What? DAVINCI????

It is found in the decorative "scallops" that are painted
directly ABOVE the Last Supper guests...but you need a
BLOW=UP to see it clearly. What is the Argha Noa symbol
--an obscure symbol for "Creation/Catastrophe"--doing in
this famous Christian painting? THAT is the question on
this one:


For the tiny Argha Noa Symbols...you ZOOM IN
on the images above the Last Supper "guests."

Here is a blow=up:


If the 1/2 crescent and "orb" represents SATURN and
"SATANISM"...WHAT IS IT DOING HERE? Answer, of course,
is that IKE has it totally screwed-up and this symbol
means something very different (but equally as important!)

The Argha Noa symbol in "The Last Supper" is pointing to
some NUMERICAL CLUE to be found in the entire work that
gives us the NEXT DATE for some global catastrophe. But
that's the stuff of ANOTHER THREAD...so I will leave it
there!


O'sCookie

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The Native Americans also have oral records that Luna did not always exist.

Before that, humans had their menses once a year, as all other animals do. Then when Luna arrived it became a short period. People no longer lived until 400-500 years, the number of eggs staying the same, they lived barely 100 after its arrival...

This has got me searching! Thanks so much...He also has another video where he goes into another rant with symbolism. I agree, there are probably other explanations to the symbolism and not just one source.

Well...that's one interpretation...if you discount the
fact that these symbols often have MORE THAN ONE MEANING
(deliberately intended by the ancients since there were
"classes of people" who would be given ONE MEANING, while
the TRUE ONE was saved for the "elite"==nothing changes,
does it! lol!)

So at the "lower classes" the symbol would be held sacred
to the moon...while the Upper classes/The Clergy or the
Warrior classes (as in India) the symbol would mean the
REAL one--that the "ORB" above the crescent is an ancient
star which went supernova--VELA--and the crescent is the
gravitational waves/gamma rays which reached the earth
and caused global effects. Remember, "The Vela Supernova
EVENT" is considered the STANDARD (the "richter-scale of
levels of doom,"if you like) for the worst thing the ancients
could possibly imagine. Red giant star "Vela" at the horizon
at dusk in ancient Egypt was considered the "son's companion"
when it was worshiped as the stand-in for a "Mother Goddess"
...now imagine one day this star suddenly enlarges to take
over the SUN IN THE DAYTIME SKY and all hell breaks loose
with plasma discharges, tsunami waves and great quakes all
happening at once. Yeah...THAT would be very bad. So is it
any wonder that the Argha Noa Symbol became the "standard"
for Creation/Destruction SYMBOLS? The dust settles in a few
weeks...and guess what. The SUN (male diety) IS ALONE in
the skies without his companion sun, Vela. You have the
mother "abandonding" the poor Children of Eve with a
psychological impact on our subconscious minds that is still
with us today! (Theory by Immanuel Velikovsky if you want
to look it up.)

Keeping "THE REAL MEANING" known to only the "higher tiers
of civilization" (much as it is in our current day) gives
them a "heads-up" to be on top of the DUST HEAP when the
disasters are over, and they can take BACK THE REIGNS OF
CONTROL over the masses. It's an old story if you read
your Bible and other religious texts all over the world.
Sadly, this "cycle" repeats every 12,000 years. (Good luck
having enough time to perfect space travel...it ain't gunna happen! We're stuck)

Just don't limit your understanding to ONE THING...and
in the case of a symbol like the "orb with horns" this
is especially true!

Here's the Vatian's "other versions" of the orb with horns
they have taken for their own meaning of the symbol in
one of Europe's many cathedrals:


This image *(TY to GLP's BASE12) shows us that at least
the Vatican has "captured" the Argha Noa Symbol for its
own symbol, referenced to the Virgin Mary, yet have you ever
seen this symbol in wide use anywhere else? Remember:
symbols can be viewed either "upright" (as the 2 symbols
above this example)...or "reversed" such as THIS PIC from
a Vatican High Altar.


O'sCookie

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You are so welcomed! I just love it when people "catch-the
-fire" of wanting to KNOW MORE about symbolism. Looking into
these icons--especially the ones that are deliberately
HIDDEN FROM THE MASSES--can give you some important insights
into what's going on in the world!

If you will examine that image I posted in your quote above


Here is another version of the 1/2 crescent and ORB from
the days of the Greeks/Romans...They show the 7 stars of PLEIADES
with the crescent...this is a STAR LOCATION (probably where
Vela was in the Heavens before it went Supernova.)


You can see the 7 stars of the Pleiades that
is referenced with the "Argha Noa" symbol--these
scholars actually COMBINE 2 IMPORTANT SYMBOLS (the
7 stars that represent Pleiades which "take the position"
of the "orb" we would normally see in the Argha Noa--giving
it a brand new meaning!) This way of MORPHING A SYMBOL
into something new was done in ages past to give info
that was suppressed by TPTB or the church. Of course,
in THIS FORM it isn't related to SATURN at all--but
is (IMHO) pointing people to a COMING GLOBAL DISASTER
which these symbologists tried to show would "be as bad
as the vela supernova" and would be in the direction of
the Pleiades Constellation. "The SMOKING GUN" that these
coins were relaying a message about an apocalypse is that
the LAST COIN WITH THE 4 HORSES is the famous "Four Horses
of the Apocalypse" in Revelation.

I hadn't even looked carefully at this graphic until we
were talking about the Saturn connection Ike is trying
(and failing) to make in his video....IF THERE IS ANOTHER
"DISASTER" MESSAGE FOR THESE COINS, it could have a whole
other meaning and back-story for that timeline. Now...
we need to find out if there was a "SPECTACULAR" SPACE
WEATHER EVENT during the time of the Romans/Greeks who
would have tooled these mysterious images on coins...(I'm sure
we will find one!) Any guesses what it might have been?
(I do know of one really important one...think in terms
of "Constantine's vision" which changed his mind about
the "new church" for Greece/Rome!)

Here's a really excellent presentation on the real
importance of SYMBOLS from a youtube author I used to
follow years ago. I think it is one of the most profound
explanations as to the question: WHY SHOULD WE VALUE SYMBOLS
--AREN'T THEY "OLD SCHOOL" PROGRAMMING?

Danny Wilten's video: Importance of Symbolism
(Manly Hall talks about "Messonic Symbolism" "The Sacred Name")

[link to youtu.be (secure)]

10 Minute duration. Starts with Manly Hall's
discussion of the importance of Symbolism
--The Mystery Schools--whereby symbolic-processes
of "intuiting" connections to symbols and reality.
Those things man MOST DESIRES TO KNOW cannot be
communicated with language. SYMBOLS ARE IMPORTANT
BECAUSE THEY CAUSE HIM TO "INTUIT" THROUGH A SUBCONSCIOUS
POWER TO UNDERSTAND HIS UNIVERSE.

If we can really grasp how important symbolism is
in our daily lives, we can brush the "dust" from our
eyes to really see reality in new and positive ways!


O'sCookie

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Is Ra El?

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Interesting to name a country...after a QUESTION.
(Very clever!)


O'sCookie

You dont know what you are talking about. Just a couple years ago I would have said the same thing though. But not now.