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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77668106 Australia 06/28/2019 10:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk With a strong dollar, a big part of the attraction was price. Engineers in India made around $5 an hour; it’s now $9 or $10, compared with $35 to $40 for those in the U.S. on an H1B visa, he said. But he’d tell clients the cheaper hourly wage equated to more like $80 because of the need for supervision, and he said his firm won back some business to fix mistakes. Quoting: capitalism at work 77668106 :racist5::racist5::racist5::racist5::racist5::racist5::racist5: |
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User ID: 76890717 United States 06/28/2019 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk I bet they are from India too. Evil controls the ignorant... Climate change is a hoax so is the vax you have been fear-porned into compliance! Definition Satan from the bible: Satan (Rev 12:7) exercising his subtle (indirect) impact on heathen governments (powers) – i.e. accomplishing his hellish agenda from "behind the scenes." |
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User ID: 70305012 United States 06/28/2019 10:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk you get what you pay for. they hand out phd's like curry rice. and they as a rule are horrible scientists. from my perspective this is in the chemical industry Grove And this is why we can't have nice things. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77119413 United States 06/28/2019 10:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk Yeah been doing this 20 something years and lemme tell ya, turdworld offshore is fine for some things, not even close to fine for aircraft. Decision maker stateside should be hanged. Unlikely they’ll even lose a bonus though. |
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User ID: 75948321 United States 06/28/2019 10:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk Some idiots selling out to India. It ain’t what it used to be. Last Edited by Xeven on 06/28/2019 10:58 PM I reserve the right to declare my comments and posts as satire. Nothing I post should be considered or interpreted as advocacy for illegal activity. My comments are designed to inspire critical political thinking. I only mean half of what I say and only say half of what I mean. |
. User ID: 77760995 United States 06/28/2019 10:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk . Just because someone went to school DOES NOT mean they Have the Intellectual Were With All to Understand How To Code. Programming is an Art Form and Requires a Certain Mindset and Mentality. Older Building Automation was All Line Code as today's BAS Systems are mostly GUI Driven with Logic Block Modules Because MOST People DO NOT Have the Understanding to Line Code. Boeing will Probably have to Higher back some of their Senior Engineers back to Fix this Issue. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77362693 United States 06/28/2019 11:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk Wait! So immigrants willing to write code for advanced aircraft for $9 an hour caused the quality of the end product to be shit? Fascinating! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75838648 not immigrants. people in india. I was at Boeing in 2008 working for Infosys (Indian contractor) trying to salvage several contracts on the verge of cancellation. I can tell you a lot of wild stories. For instance, I thought I had a team of 5 offshore on one project but during a director meeting I got blindsided by an org chart that claimed 22, all at billing rate of $35/hr. Lots of fraud like that. |
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User ID: 76244356 United States 06/28/2019 11:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk Impossible, they have $15/hr minimum wage in warchington. Smoke me a kipper, I’ll be back for breakfast. If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools. — Plato “AI is kind of a fancy thing, first of all it’s two letters. It means artificial intelligence.” Kamala Harris VPOTUS |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62644638 United States 06/28/2019 11:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk Those numbers are off. To hire a non-programmer "engineer" in America on an H1-B it is $60 per hour to start. I mean, yeah, you can hire a Java programmer from India on an H1-B for $100,000, but if you want a REAL programmer it will cost at least $170,000 I would say. Due to coding boot camps churning out lots of useless programmers that don't really do any programming, and the fact that absolutely everyone says they do IT and that they "used to program", it drives up the cost for REAL programmers since they are harder to find. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77668106 Australia 06/28/2019 11:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospace -- notably India. Quoting: capitalism at work 77668106 employees who say stuff like that obviously need a long meeting with human resources. and then a mandatory training course on how good diversity and tolerance is!! hopefully somebody will start a faccbook awareness campaign to inform people that overseas programmers are diverse!!! which is what really counts isn't it!!! boeing should be commended for having a diverse workforce!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77362693 United States 06/28/2019 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk Those numbers are off. To hire a non-programmer "engineer" in America on an H1-B it is $60 per hour to start. I mean, yeah, you can hire a Java programmer from India on an H1-B for $100,000, but if you want a REAL programmer it will cost at least $170,000 I would say. Due to coding boot camps churning out lots of useless programmers that don't really do any programming, and the fact that absolutely everyone says they do IT and that they "used to program", it drives up the cost for REAL programmers since they are harder to find. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62644638 thats only on projects that have to work. I oversaw 5 projects at the call center in Tukwila, I had 5 project managers with average team size of 7 or 8 and the code was absolute shit, Infosys just ran people through a 10 week certification class and called them programmers. even shitty software works a lot of the time but Boeing was madder than hell at the rework/bug fix charges they were getting. I spent a year trying to fix it but Infosys didnt think Boeing would cancel. I quit and they did about a year later. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75756784 Canada 06/28/2019 11:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk He says the white kids don't want to work. The indian, chinese are willing to work. They suck, but they are willing to work longer hours. So his company doesn't hire whites. |
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User ID: 74395755 United States 06/28/2019 11:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk My homie is a project manager at a engineering firm like Boeing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75756784 He says the white kids don't want to work. The indian, chinese are willing to work. They suck, but they are willing to work longer hours. So his company doesn't hire whites. Yeah, I don't think so, I worked at a big airline manufacturer a while back in the engineering department, the whites worked their a$$es off. They hired a Latino Woman, who was totally useless, I'm guessing for affirmative action reasons, she lasted about 6 months I think. Some of the older white guys seemed scared they would lose their jobs, so even worked harder, but sad to say they had already replaced some with way lower waged foreigners. Yeah, so your friend is full of it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77072539 Canada 06/28/2019 11:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk Wait! So immigrants willing to write code for advanced aircraft for $9 an hour caused the quality of the end product to be shit? Fascinating! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75838648 Such a shock I tells ya! Next up people will be saying these third world engineers get their qualifications at some diploma mill or school where you bribe for grades. Say it aint so. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77636836 United States 06/28/2019 11:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk My homie is a project manager at a engineering firm like Boeing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75756784 He says the white kids don't want to work. The indian, chinese are willing to work. They suck, but they are willing to work longer hours. So his company doesn't hire whites. Yeah, I don't think so, I worked at a big airline manufacturer a while back in the engineering department, the whites worked their a$$es off. They hired a Latino Woman, who was totally useless, I'm guessing for affirmative action reasons, she lasted about 6 months I think. Some of the older white guys seemed scared they would lose their jobs, so even worked harder, but sad to say they had already replaced some with way lower waged foreigners. Yeah, so your friend is full of it. The medium wage Whites tend to put out the best quality work IMHO. White liberals put out shit worse than the blacks and Latinos who themselves put out shity work. I am Cuban and freely admit it. When my Granddaddy came from Cuba, White Guys at the VFW post showed him how to be American. He would be rolling in his grave 8f he saw whats happened in the last 15 years. It aint the Blacks or Latinos doing this, its white SJW faggot traitors. |
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User ID: 77737918 United States 06/28/2019 11:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk It is very alarming that this is common now in all sorts of critical transportation vehicles. In order to be able to allow unqualified people to drive, now cars have all sorts of stupid electronic crap to reduce the need for development of skill. It gave idiots more time to screw with their cell phones texting and watching movies while in motion, instead of paying attention to the other drivers and the general condition of their conveyance. It seems to be similar in the air industry, where the skilled pilots and their skills are being replaced by diversionary electronic gadgets, that have routines that require disabling before responding to an emergency, instead of just taking the stick and handling the power. Critical seconds lost it appears. And now we learn of the "infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of typewriters" scenario. I have never had much faith in patched together software in charge of anything. Experience with computers and cars has proven over time, has shown me that there actually has been an erosion of Quality Control principles. Make America Strong Again Make America Sexy Again I'm fukken this monkey, you just shut up and hold the tail." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77685950 United States 06/28/2019 11:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Engineers complain that Boeing is employing programmers for $9 per hour and the software is junk It remains the mystery at the heart of Boeing Co.’s 737 Max crisis: how a company renowned for meticulous design made seemingly basic software mistakes leading to a pair of deadly crashes. Longtime Boeing engineers say the effort was complicated by a push to outsource work to lower-paid contractors. Quoting: capitalism at work 77668106 The Max software -- plagued by issues that could keep the planes grounded months longer after U.S. regulators this week revealed a new flaw -- was developed at a time Boeing was laying off experienced engineers and pressing suppliers to cut costs. Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospace -- notably India. In offices across from Seattle’s Boeing Field, recent college graduates employed by the Indian software developer HCL Technologies Ltd. occupied several rows of desks, said Mark Rabin, a former Boeing software engineer who worked in a flight-test group that supported the Max. The coders from HCL were typically designing to specifications set by Boeing. Still, “it was controversial because it was far less efficient than Boeing engineers just writing the code,” Rabin said. Frequently, he recalled, “it took many rounds going back and forth because the code was not done correctly.” Boeing’s cultivation of Indian companies appeared to pay other dividends. In recent years, it has won several orders for Indian military and commercial aircraft, such as a $22 billion one in January 2017 to supply SpiceJet Ltd. That order included 100 737-Max 8 jets and represented Boeing’s largest order ever from an Indian airline, a coup in a country dominated by Airbus. “Boeing has many decades of experience working with supplier/partners around the world,” a company spokesman said. “Our primary focus is on always ensuring that our products and services are safe, of the highest quality and comply with all applicable regulations.” Engineers who worked on the Max, which Boeing began developing eight years ago to match a rival Airbus SE plane, have complained of pressure from managers to limit changes that might introduce extra time or cost. “Boeing was doing all kinds of things, everything you can imagine, to reduce cost, including moving work from Puget Sound, because we’d become very expensive here,” said Rick Ludtke, a former Boeing flight controls engineer laid off in 2017. “All that’s very understandable if you think of it from a business perspective. Slowly over time it appears that’s eroded the ability for Puget Sound designers to design.” Rabin, the former software engineer, recalled one manager saying at an all-hands meeting that Boeing didn’t need senior engineers because its products were mature. “I was shocked that in a room full of a couple hundred mostly senior engineers we were being told that we weren’t needed,” said Rabin, who was laid off in 2015. With a strong dollar, a big part of the attraction was price. Engineers in India made around $5 an hour; it’s now $9 or $10, compared with $35 to $40 for those in the U.S. on an H1B visa, he said. But he’d tell clients the cheaper hourly wage equated to more like $80 because of the need for supervision, and he said his firm won back some business to fix mistakes. [link to www.bloomberg.com (secure)] Maybe their satellites are not up to snuff anymore... |
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