The Old Way of Calculating the Solstices and Equinoxes | |
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(OP) User ID: 3356277 United States 06/21/2019 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, you will ask, how is it, if our Zodiac is divided into 12 signs comprised of 30 degrees, are there 365 and 1/4 days in a year and not 360? Well, you must remember that the sun lingers more than in one degree for more than one day in some of these signs. This happens at the Solstices and Equinoxes. From a very early time even before the reforms of Julius Caesar to the Egyptian calendar, the astronomers knew it was actually about 364 or 365 days that the Sun was taking for make one revolution. But it was finally under Julius Caesar that the calendar reforms were made into a 365 1/4 days, which was a revolution in regulating agriculture and made the Roman Empire explode with wealth. Last Edited by anastasis888 on 06/21/2019 10:47 PM Glory be to God in the high heauens, and peace in earth, and towards men good will. - Luke 2:14 (Geneva Bible, 1560) Can't make it to church? Out on the road? Join us for church live on Ustream. [link to www.ustream.tv (secure)] |
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anastasis888
(OP) User ID: 3356277 United States 06/21/2019 10:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought one or two might find a use for old Antolius. He really is one of our earliest sources for this material. The entire book is a joy to read. A treasure trove of information. :-) Glory be to God in the high heauens, and peace in earth, and towards men good will. - Luke 2:14 (Geneva Bible, 1560) Can't make it to church? Out on the road? Join us for church live on Ustream. [link to www.ustream.tv (secure)] |
anastasis888
(OP) User ID: 3356277 United States 06/21/2019 11:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I should also mention that Antolius is calculating his daylight hours into their respective 12th parts like the old Babylonian relative method of keeping hours divided approximately 15 degrees separate on the sundial. So, these are not 'modern' fixed hours, but rather the means to calculate Solstice and Equinox by the sundial. I suppose we should just call it ancient near-eastern and Mediterranean time keeping method, since everyone used it. The Babylonians didn't invent it. [link to www.babylonianhours.com] The first number is the hour (simanu in Akkadian) of the day or night, the second unit is measured in uš, the third in gar. The length of a simanu (seasonal hour) is determined by dividing the length of local daylight by 12, or in the case of a night hour, dividing nightime by 12. For your current location a seasonal daylight hour is equal to 73.9 minutes and a seasonal nighttime hour is equal to 46.1 minutes. The length of an uš is set at approximately four minutes, or one degree of movement of the sun. For your current location there are 18 uš in a seasonal daylight hour. Coincidentally our 360° circle is based on the definition of an uš as one degree. The length of a gar is set at approximately four seconds (1/60th of an uš) Last Edited by anastasis888 on 06/21/2019 11:10 PM Glory be to God in the high heauens, and peace in earth, and towards men good will. - Luke 2:14 (Geneva Bible, 1560) Can't make it to church? Out on the road? Join us for church live on Ustream. [link to www.ustream.tv (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 3356277 United States 06/21/2019 11:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Grape Harvest always begins 45 degrees (that is to say days) after the sun reaches zenith. When Sol comes out of solstice at Midsummer's Day, this is the traditional feast of Saint John the Baptist, who was born 6 months before Christ. And it's probably very close to Midsummer's Day that Christ was baptized in the Jordan River by John (if not literally on Midsummer's Day). It was a bit after the beginning of Wheat Harvest/Pentecost, so it's sometime very close to Solstice. After Jesus is baptized, he is tested for the 40 days of Fire until the beginning of Grape Harvest. This year, Vine Harvest begins August 5th (Tu B'Av). Last Edited by anastasis888 on 06/21/2019 11:28 PM Glory be to God in the high heauens, and peace in earth, and towards men good will. - Luke 2:14 (Geneva Bible, 1560) Can't make it to church? Out on the road? Join us for church live on Ustream. [link to www.ustream.tv (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 3356277 United States 06/21/2019 11:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Last Edited by anastasis888 on 06/21/2019 11:58 PM Glory be to God in the high heauens, and peace in earth, and towards men good will. - Luke 2:14 (Geneva Bible, 1560) Can't make it to church? Out on the road? Join us for church live on Ustream. [link to www.ustream.tv (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 3356277 United States 06/22/2019 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the 1st century, Sol didn't cross from Gemini to Cancer until June 24th. You can calculate this on Stellarium if you doubt it. Also, Sol isn't actually in Cancer at Midsummer anymore. Check it yourself. We're actually just coming out of Taurus and entering Gemini tomorrow. Autumnal equinox isn't Libra anymore either. We're just entering Virgo at Autumnal Equinox. And Vernal Equinox is squarely in the middle of Pisces. So, whatever you thought your sun sign was, it's one back from that one. All the nativity progression charts you've ever done are all totally wrong. Sorry. Anyway, happy summer. :-) Last Edited by anastasis888 on 06/22/2019 12:13 AM Glory be to God in the high heauens, and peace in earth, and towards men good will. - Luke 2:14 (Geneva Bible, 1560) Can't make it to church? Out on the road? Join us for church live on Ustream. [link to www.ustream.tv (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76782929 United States 06/22/2019 01:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I often use Stellarium to look at the movements of the planets and the constellations. This is how I discovered I was actually born in Ophiuchus, not Sagittarius. I will enjoy looking for all the movements you have mentioned. Thanks for listing them. |
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(OP) User ID: 76355479 United States 06/22/2019 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The ultimate test of seeing how good you are with the sundial is to pick any random day of the year to walk out in a meadow armed only with a stick. With that one stick, you have to follow the course of the sun's shadow until you can establish true east and west. Then, knowing east and west, you have to cast a dial circle in the dirt and divide the 12 hours of daylight. Then at sunset, you have to observe what sign the sun set in, and then observe what the moon phase is. If you know what mansion the sun is in and know true east and west, and you know how many relative minutes (us) the sun inclines or declines per day, in a few days you should be able to establish what day of the year it is with only a stick and the information from Antolius. When you can do that, then you pass the course of ancient astronomy. All you can take in the field is your brain and one stick. Last Edited by anastasis888 on 06/22/2019 02:59 PM Glory be to God in the high heauens, and peace in earth, and towards men good will. - Luke 2:14 (Geneva Bible, 1560) Can't make it to church? Out on the road? Join us for church live on Ustream. [link to www.ustream.tv (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 76355479 United States 06/22/2019 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't get it Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77745124 Eight days before January is not December 25th And eight days before April is not March 25th What am I missing ? A poor translation. A better rendering might be "8 days back from". "Before" doesn't quite carry Antolius' sense. Glory be to God in the high heauens, and peace in earth, and towards men good will. - Luke 2:14 (Geneva Bible, 1560) Can't make it to church? Out on the road? Join us for church live on Ustream. [link to www.ustream.tv (secure)] |