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To all free thinkers: Think about Macedonia for pity’s sake

 
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To all free thinkers: Think about Macedonia for pity’s sake
The issue of Macedonia is real and VITAL for the Greek nation.It constitutes betrayal, not only by the nation's governments (since the early 90's when this issue arose and now reaching a climax) but by the peoples of the West as a whole. Betrayal not only to Greece as a historical entity, but to values, to ethics, to history itself. Check your historical facts, people. Ask a well versed historian if you're too busy or lazy to sit down and research yourself, and after you get your facts straight, do the math.

Greece and its civilization has been there from time immemorial, Alexander the Great king of the ancient GREEK Macedonian kingdom, is a true GREEK MACEDONIAN who lived almost four centuries before Christ for heaven's sake, and the Slavs only appeared in the region north to GREEK Macedonia, around the 1300's (AD) Some say around the 6th century (AD) but even so, it's still almost a thousand years after Alexander...

So how can any logical person, accept the logical fallacy that the Slavic nation north to the Greek borders, are suddenly entitled to claim Alexander was "theirs", that Macedonia is their rightful name, and the ancient Macedonian culture THEIR heritage? The idiot (or should I say bastards) politicians even accepted that the Slavic language is "Macedonian" language...when it is beyond any
doubt that ancient Macedonians spoke GREEK (Hellenic) and that the Slavic language was not even around then...

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You have given me a new understanding of how important this is for Greecians. However I think you are going to have a very difficult time finding anyone outside of Greece and Macedonia that care. This is an issue between your two countries, it is no one else's affair.

You may also want to consider that the repeated, and forceful genetic "injections" by barbarian people over the last couple thousand years may have moved modern Greeks farther fom the ancient Greek genetics than the slavs you speak of.

They may actually have a stronger claim to Alexander than Greeks.

But, why do yo care? I feel no connection to any great person of the past, because I didn't live in the past and I didn't do what they did; neither did you.

Is Greece a powerful intellectual, cultural, trading, and military superstate like it was over 2000 years ago? No, it hasn't been so for a very, very, long time. Alexander would not be proud of Greece today.
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Hello from Greece

You are wrong my friend.This is not just something between 2 countries.Its something that involves all western civilization. Skopja or Vardaska is a very small country but all the major goverments support them.Why? Please do your search and tell me which is the biggest military camp of Usa in Europe.You will understand many things .Does the word BONDSTEEL say something to you?
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Should have stayed united Yugoslavia.
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Should have stayed united Yugoslavia.
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I agree my friend.If yugoslavia was united you wouldnt have TPTB using Kosovo as a trojan horse to the balkan area and the Mediterranean..
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The today so-called Greeks have no real understanding of reality while they are brainwashed by nationalistic idiocy which suggests that they are "original" descendants of a tribe which existed before 20 centuries and that they have some absolute rights over the name and also the history of Macedonia while the vast majority of the residents of the area before the Balkan wars were the Slavophones.

It would be a waste of time trying to communicate with the racists and chauvinists in Greece who believe that the whole universe revolves around their mental sickness.
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People should know how big is the problem with the mental sickness of the today "Greek" chauvinists who are psychically raping people according to their nationalistic brainwashing.

First of all, what people need to know is that this problem was created by the Greek nationalists who were also identified as Grecocentrics such as Ion Dragoumis who was suggesting that the Slavphones in Macedonia are of Greek origins and have helped as no one else to convince the residents of this area that they are descendants of the ancient Macedonians as they have done with the various tribes of the residents of the today Greece which they have been convinced that they are Greeks.

Here about Grecocentrism which is a belief more like Nazism which was inspired the glory days of the Nazis and of the dictator Metaxas who was torturing and killing people from Macedonia because of the language they were speaking:

[link to translate.google.com (secure)]

Here about the nationalistic propaganda of the "Greeks" which have originally created this problem:

[link to translate.google.com (secure)]
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I agree with only one thing of what is said that this problem is important for the western world while some Barbaric Balkan people who are descendants of the fanatic anti-Greek Byzantine Christians, the Ottomans, the Albanians, the Slavs, the Vlachs, and all the rest Balclan tribes claim to be the cultural root of the western world and this situation is turning out to be a hilarious comedy for those watching and also a nightmare for those who have to suffer the consequences of this historical forgery which suggests direct continuation of the ancient Greek culture while they have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with beyond the fairy tales of the "romantic nationalists" such as Ion Dragoumis.

This situation has turned out to be chauvinism and racism of the delusional "descendants" of the ancients against the new Greeks who are a new tribal and cultural synthesis and not in any way a direct continuation of the ancient Greeks and this is why the scientific thought produced the term neo-Greek. Somehow the sadistic mentality of the Greek Nazis like Metaxas is turning out to be Masochism while is turning back to the creators of this cultural circus with the Barbaric Balcan entertainers who claim to be culturally and tribal "superior" not only from the Slavophones but all the rest including themselves while they are of the "others" who are not "true Greeks" according to their illusions and their definition and they just can't comprehend it and they just can't comprehend it that they have constructed
a masochistic self-destructive mentality based on the arrogance of the ancient bigots who paradoxically were also bullying the ancient Macedonians and Alexander himself who was not considered as a true Greek because of his origins and this is not in any way a so simple issue as the western thought made it seem like while the Macedonians were not considered as a Greek tribe and there is NOT even one reference which suggests this.

There are only some references to the origins of Alexander but NOT about the Macedonians who were considered to be even lower than the rest Barbaric tribes and according to the historical data they were most likely to be of non-Greek tribes such as the Phrygians, the Illyrians, the Paeonians and the Thracians who were later "Hellenized" after the adoption of the Greek language by the regime of Alexander which by the was was called a MACEDONIAN language and was also affected by the Macedonian memory bank and was not only a product of "Greek technology". There are more about this issue and if the self-deluded people in Greece think that they can debate about it I will be available.

This issue is of much importance for the western world various reasons and is also important because in ancient Greece we can also trace the source of Nazism and realize that the ancient Greek bigots had this chauvinistic mentality against also the Macedonians who brought what is known as the ecumenical "Hellenistic era" but is more like the "Macedonian era" while the reality and the ecumenical vision of Alexander is incompatible with the ethnocentric Greek reality which existed before him and this shit situation with the new "Greco-centrists" has turned out to be the biggest insult against his memory while he was not a racist and a tribal-supremacist and they and is also because of his Macedonian origins and his mentality that he managed to create an empire while the culturally isolated reality of the Greeks could never produce one.

If there will be an answer of the liars who are trying to exploit the history of Alexander to keep feeding the Greco-centric insanity I am ready to respond with a cataclysm of Truth which will surprise the most of the westerners who have no real understanding about this issue while the western mentality has produced this illusory perception about the ancient reality while they also had to promote the "Athenian democracy" which paradoxically was the historical enemy of Alexander.
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Some corrections and some additions.

I agree with only one thing of what is said that this problem is important for the western world while some Barbaric Balkan people who are descendants of the fanatic anti-Greek Byzantine Christians, the Ottomans, the Albanians, the Slavs, the Vlachs, and all the rest Balclan tribes claim to be the cultural root of the western world and this situation is turning out to be a hilarious comedy for those watching and also a nightmare for those who have to suffer the consequences of this historical forgery which suggests direct continuation of the ancient Greek culture while they have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with beyond the fairy tales of the "romantic nationalists" such as Ion Dragoumis.

This situation has turned out to be chauvinism and racism of the delusional "descendants" of the ancients against the new Greeks who are a new tribal and cultural mixture and not in any way a direct continuation of the ancient Greeks and this is why the scientific thought produced the term "Νεοέλληνας​" which means New Greek.

Somehow the sadistic mentality of the Greek Nazis such as Metaxas is turning out to be masochism while is turning back to the creators of this cultural circus with the Barbaric Balcan entertainers who claim to be culturally and tribal "superior" not only from the Slavophones but all the rest including themselves while they are of the "others" who are not "true Greeks" according to their illusions and their definitions and they just can't comprehend it that they have constructed a masochistic self-destructive mentality based on the arrogance of the ancient bigots who paradoxically were also bullying the ancient Macedonians and Alexander himself who was not considered as a true Greek because of his origins!

This is not in any way a so simple issue as the western thought made it seem like while the Macedonians were not considered as a Greek tribe and there is NOT even one reference which suggests this.

There are only some references regarding the origins of Alexander but NOT about the Macedonians who were considered to be even lower than the rest Barbaric tribes and according to the historical data they were most likely to be of non-Greek tribes such as the Phrygians, the Illyrians, the Paeonians and the Thracians who were later "Hellenized" after the adoption of the Greek language by the regime of Alexander which by the way was called a MACEDONIAN language and was also affected by the Macedonian memory bank and was not only a product of "Greek technology". There are more about this issue and if the self-deluded people in Greece think that they can debate about it I will be available.

This issue is of much importance for the western world for various reasons and is also important because in ancient Greece we can also trace the source of Nazism and realize that the ancient Greek bigots had this chauvinistic mentality against also the Macedonians who brought what is known as the ecumenical "Hellenistic era" but is more like the "Macedonian era" while the reality and the ecumenical vision of Alexander is incompatible with the ethnocentric Greek reality which existed before him and this shit situation with the new "Greco-centrists" has turned out to be the biggest insult against his memory while he was not a racist and a tribal-supremacist as they are and is also because of his Macedonian origins and his mentality that he managed to create an empire while the culturally isolated reality of the Greeks could never produce one.

If there will be an answer of the liars who are trying to exploit the history of Alexander to keep feeding the Greco-centric insanity I am ready to respond with a cataclysm of Truth which will surprise the most of the westerners who have no real understanding about this issue while the western mentality has produced this illusory perception about the ancient reality while they also had to promote the "Athenian democracy" which paradoxically was the historical enemy of Alexander.

Alexander could not in any way be a tribal-supremacist as the ancient Greeks while he and his people were treated as lower and even as lower from all the rest Barbaric tribes from the Greek bigots. They say that he was promoting exclusively the Greek culture but this is also a lie based on the fact that he played an important role in the adoption of the Greek language but they also claim that he was promoting exclusively his Greek religion while his religion was not in any way the national religion of the Greeks which was based in the national mysteries which were accepting only Greeks and so they were not accepting Macedonians by default at least before Alexander.

Alexander was a child of the Pelasgian mysteries of the Cabiri in which his mother was a priestess and his father was also an initiate. The Cabiri mysteries were NOT in any way ethnocentric such as the Greek mysteries which came AFTER and which were accepting people from all tribes and of course, they were also accepting the non-Greek Pelasgian tribes which made the non-Greek Macedonian tribe. Of course, they were accepting Greeks while they were open to everyone and they were also linking the Greek versions of the gods with the ancient traditions of the Pelasgians from which they were originated.

The problem, in this case, is that the today "Greeks" claim some imaginary "absolute national rights" not only over the ancient Greek memory but also on the Pelasgian memory and so they are in reality targeting to nullify the Pelasgian memory which gave birth also the Macedonian empire. We are most probably speaking about one of the biggest historical forgeries in human history if not the biggest one and this is, of course, an issue which is important for the western world which is built on the perceptions of mostly the German intellectuals who also gave birth to Nazism while also the Germans are the creators of the new "Greek" nation and the first king of the new Greece was a German.

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I am me again Alexander the Greatest from Cyprus.

I do not really think that this topic is of any importance but maybe if the Greek Nazis are kind enough they can open many topics in many forums and I will follow them because they do not allow the Truth to be heard in their fascist land and they never answer in anything but for some reason they opened this issue in here so I can eventually speak. Thanks.

About the language. Back then the Greek language was much like the today English while was widely used for international communication and so it became the language of the Macedonian empire as it happened also later in the Eastern Roman Empire which is more clear that was not Greek because of the language while also after the Justinian code the term "Greek" was punishable even by death and the language they were speaking even though it was based in the ancient Greek was called Roman language and the same happened with the Macedonians who were calling their new language Macedonian language but there also evidence that they were bilingual. It seems like they had their own national language which was unintelligible by the Greeks but they didn't have writing and if there is a doubt I will expand on this.

So here is the question now. The residents of the Roman empire and even the Grecophones were Greek and they were all descendants of the ancient Greeks while there was no such thing as Greek national conscious and while the Roman empire was multinational?

The following question is not the perfect example while the Macedonians had also their own language but can help to understand the idiocy which is spread in this subject.

The Americans are British because of the language they are speaking?

The fact that we are speaking about a different and distinct nation is beyond than clear and this is what is suggested also by the many references we have of the ancient Greeks who were considering the Macedonians as Barbarians and "inferior" just as they were considering all the Pelasgians who did not turn to Greeks such as for example the Macedonians who did not turn to Greeks no matter what they say today based mostly in this issue of the language while they had fundamental cultural differences and there is not even a single evidence that they ever considered themselves as Greeks while they were also holding the memory of the bullying by the ethnocentric Greek bigots such as Metaxas and those who were slaughtering whole villages of the Slavophones with women and children in order to feed the monster of their national superiority complex.

So we had these people who were the vast majority of the population of the whole region of Macedonia including the Aegean Macedonia who were Slavophones but who were also bilingual just like the ancient Macedonians and this is also because the current geographical region is a crossroad between two different worlds and this was and still is regardless the origins of the today Macedonians.

According to independent sources about the demographics of that region the Grecophones was about 10% of the population and this was AFTER the Hellenization which also a product of the Hellenic idea which arose at the 18 century and so the nationalistic propaganda of the Greeks had to somehow "fit" this reality in their agenda and so they begun thinking the possibility that they are of Greek origins which at some extent can't be totally mistaken because population do not just disappear and so they originally created this idea that they are descendants of the ancient Macedonians and the official Greek state was calling them as Slavomacedonians from the beginning of the Greek nation.

Normally the Macedonians who were also facing the Greek bigotry which kept rising begun searching deeper and so they have traced this "coincidence" which suggest that the ancient Macedonians were also victims of the Greek bigotry and based on this they begun building their own nationalistic mythology which is clearly and beyond any doubt a child of the Greek nationalism.

So regarding the today Macedonian language of the today Macedonian nation which is not, of course, a direct continuation of the ancient Macedonian nation as the Greek nationalism suggests for the today Greek nation and drove the Macedonian nationalists also in this reaction.

First of all, we have to make it clear that we are speaking about the Macedonian language beyond any doubt while the original Slavic language was born in Roman Macedonia around the 8th century and so it was also based in the Macedonian memory and it would make perfect sense to suggest that this language was spread among the populations of that region and so there were also descendants of the ancient Greeks and the ancient Macedonians who were and they are still speaking this language which was the language of the vast majority of the region of Macedonia before the Balkan wars and even after the "Hellenic idea" which was born in the 18th century and the Hellenization of the populations of that religion even by force.

After the Balkan wars, they brought settlers mostly from Turkey and they are the vast majority of the today "Greek Macedonians" who claim to be descendants of Alexander.

So who can claim descendancy of the ancient Macedonians, the residents of that region who were kicked out from their land after the Balkan wars and they can even claim a genocide or the settlers?

All of this is nothing but nationalistic bullshit and this issue should be solved with a compromisation as it did but if we go deeper into the historical truth the problem of the Greek nationalists may grow much bigger.
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Perhaps if all parties to conflict could understand that they are being manipulated and that compromise serves them better than fighting, you might all have a better chance.

This is true for all places, but especially in borderlands.

Somehow, you have to refuse to be provoked.
Find your wiser heads and listen to them.

Outsiders, as in colonizers, such as philip, consort prince to the queen of england, has no blood of the region. Like so many former colonials, you wanted them out and then had a bloodbath which makes some long for the days of the colonizers, who at least kept most of you from murdering each other.

Think about these things.
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We used to have agreed festival in my neighbourhood every year..it was amazing..now the Turks have moved in and have put a stop to it...for fear of violence...things are changing...and not in a good way
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We used to have agreed festival in my neighbourhood every year..it was amazing..now the Turks have moved in and have put a stop to it...for fear of violence...things are changing...and not in a good way
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A Greek festival sorry for typo
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I am me again Alexander the Greatest from Cyprus.

I do not really think that this topic is of any importance but maybe if the Greek Nazis are kind enough they can open many topics in many forums and I will follow them because they do not allow the Truth to be heard in their fascist land and they never answer in anything but for some reason they opened this issue in here so I can eventually speak. Thanks.

About the language. Back then the Greek language was much like the today English while was widely used for international communication and so it became the language of the Macedonian empire as it happened also later in the Eastern Roman Empire which is more clear that was not Greek because of the language while also after the Justinian code the term "Greek" was punishable even by death and the language they were speaking even though it was based in the ancient Greek was called Roman language and the same happened with the Macedonians who were calling their new language Macedonian language but there also evidence that they were bilingual. It seems like they had their own national language which was unintelligible by the Greeks but they didn't have writing and if there is a doubt I will expand on this.

So here is the question now. The residents of the Roman empire and even the Grecophones were Greek and they were all descendants of the ancient Greeks while there was no such thing as Greek national conscious and while the Roman empire was multinational?

The following question is not the perfect example while the Macedonians had also their own language but can help to understand the idiocy which is spread in this subject.

The Americans are British because of the language they are speaking?

The fact that we are speaking about a different and distinct nation is beyond than clear and this is what is suggested also by the many references we have of the ancient Greeks who were considering the Macedonians as Barbarians and "inferior" just as they were considering all the Pelasgians who did not turn to Greeks such as for example the Macedonians who did not turn to Greeks no matter what they say today based mostly in this issue of the language while they had fundamental cultural differences and there is not even a single evidence that they ever considered themselves as Greeks while they were also holding the memory of the bullying by the ethnocentric Greek bigots such as Metaxas and those who were slaughtering whole villages of the Slavophones with women and children in order to feed the monster of their national superiority complex.

So we had these people who were the vast majority of the population of the whole region of Macedonia including the Aegean Macedonia who were Slavophones but who were also bilingual just like the ancient Macedonians and this is also because the current geographical region is a crossroad between two different worlds and this was and still is regardless the origins of the today Macedonians.

According to independent sources about the demographics of that region the Grecophones was about 10% of the population and this was AFTER the Hellenization which also a product of the Hellenic idea which arose at the 18 century and so the nationalistic propaganda of the Greeks had to somehow "fit" this reality in their agenda and so they begun thinking the possibility that they are of Greek origins which at some extent can't be totally mistaken because population do not just disappear and so they originally created this idea that they are descendants of the ancient Macedonians and the official Greek state was calling them as Slavomacedonians from the beginning of the Greek nation.

Normally the Macedonians who were also facing the Greek bigotry which kept rising begun searching deeper and so they have traced this "coincidence" which suggest that the ancient Macedonians were also victims of the Greek bigotry and based on this they begun building their own nationalistic mythology which is clearly and beyond any doubt a child of the Greek nationalism.

So regarding the today Macedonian language of the today Macedonian nation which is not, of course, a direct continuation of the ancient Macedonian nation as the Greek nationalism suggests for the today Greek nation and drove the Macedonian nationalists also in this reaction.

First of all, we have to make it clear that we are speaking about the Macedonian language beyond any doubt while the original Slavic language was born in Roman Macedonia around the 8th century and so it was also based in the Macedonian memory and it would make perfect sense to suggest that this language was spread among the populations of that region and so there were also descendants of the ancient Greeks and the ancient Macedonians who were and they are still speaking this language which was the language of the vast majority of the region of Macedonia before the Balkan wars and even after the "Hellenic idea" which was born in the 18th century and the Hellenization of the populations of that religion even by force.

After the Balkan wars, they brought settlers mostly from Turkey and they are the vast majority of the today "Greek Macedonians" who claim to be descendants of Alexander.

So who can claim descendancy of the ancient Macedonians, the residents of that region who were kicked out from their land after the Balkan wars and they can even claim a genocide or the settlers?

All of this is nothing but nationalistic bullshit and this issue should be solved with a compromisation as it did but if we go deeper into the historical truth the problem of the Greek nationalists may grow much bigger.
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Fuck you Bulgar piece of shit. This has nothing to do with History. Your language is a bulgaric dialect. Your names are slavic, have nothing to do with the names of Macedonia that they exist until the invasion of Slavs and Bulgars of the 6th century AC. Take a look to the names of the ancient and Byzantine Macedonians, Archelaos, Antigonos, Lysimachos, Basileios, Dimitrios. What connection have with your slavic names; All these are greek names. And speaking of nationalists, you the Skopjan scum, are the ones that are trying to claim our lands, and our country, oor history not us.
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I am me again Alexander the Greatest from Cyprus.

I do not really think that this topic is of any importance but maybe if the Greek Nazis are kind enough they can open many topics in many forums and I will follow them because they do not allow the Truth to be heard in their fascist land and they never answer in anything but for some reason they opened this issue in here so I can eventually speak. Thanks.

About the language. Back then the Greek language was much like the today English while was widely used for international communication and so it became the language of the Macedonian empire as it happened also later in the Eastern Roman Empire which is more clear that was not Greek because of the language while also after the Justinian code the term "Greek" was punishable even by death and the language they were speaking even though it was based in the ancient Greek was called Roman language and the same happened with the Macedonians who were calling their new language Macedonian language but there also evidence that they were bilingual. It seems like they had their own national language which was unintelligible by the Greeks but they didn't have writing and if there is a doubt I will expand on this.

So here is the question now. The residents of the Roman empire and even the Grecophones were Greek and they were all descendants of the ancient Greeks while there was no such thing as Greek national conscious and while the Roman empire was multinational?

The following question is not the perfect example while the Macedonians had also their own language but can help to understand the idiocy which is spread in this subject.

The Americans are British because of the language they are speaking?

The fact that we are speaking about a different and distinct nation is beyond than clear and this is what is suggested also by the many references we have of the ancient Greeks who were considering the Macedonians as Barbarians and "inferior" just as they were considering all the Pelasgians who did not turn to Greeks such as for example the Macedonians who did not turn to Greeks no matter what they say today based mostly in this issue of the language while they had fundamental cultural differences and there is not even a single evidence that they ever considered themselves as Greeks while they were also holding the memory of the bullying by the ethnocentric Greek bigots such as Metaxas and those who were slaughtering whole villages of the Slavophones with women and children in order to feed the monster of their national superiority complex.

So we had these people who were the vast majority of the population of the whole region of Macedonia including the Aegean Macedonia who were Slavophones but who were also bilingual just like the ancient Macedonians and this is also because the current geographical region is a crossroad between two different worlds and this was and still is regardless the origins of the today Macedonians.

According to independent sources about the demographics of that region the Grecophones was about 10% of the population and this was AFTER the Hellenization which also a product of the Hellenic idea which arose at the 18 century and so the nationalistic propaganda of the Greeks had to somehow "fit" this reality in their agenda and so they begun thinking the possibility that they are of Greek origins which at some extent can't be totally mistaken because population do not just disappear and so they originally created this idea that they are descendants of the ancient Macedonians and the official Greek state was calling them as Slavomacedonians from the beginning of the Greek nation.

Normally the Macedonians who were also facing the Greek bigotry which kept rising begun searching deeper and so they have traced this "coincidence" which suggest that the ancient Macedonians were also victims of the Greek bigotry and based on this they begun building their own nationalistic mythology which is clearly and beyond any doubt a child of the Greek nationalism.

So regarding the today Macedonian language of the today Macedonian nation which is not, of course, a direct continuation of the ancient Macedonian nation as the Greek nationalism suggests for the today Greek nation and drove the Macedonian nationalists also in this reaction.

First of all, we have to make it clear that we are speaking about the Macedonian language beyond any doubt while the original Slavic language was born in Roman Macedonia around the 8th century and so it was also based in the Macedonian memory and it would make perfect sense to suggest that this language was spread among the populations of that region and so there were also descendants of the ancient Greeks and the ancient Macedonians who were and they are still speaking this language which was the language of the vast majority of the region of Macedonia before the Balkan wars and even after the "Hellenic idea" which was born in the 18th century and the Hellenization of the populations of that religion even by force.

After the Balkan wars, they brought settlers mostly from Turkey and they are the vast majority of the today "Greek Macedonians" who claim to be descendants of Alexander.

So who can claim descendancy of the ancient Macedonians, the residents of that region who were kicked out from their land after the Balkan wars and they can even claim a genocide or the settlers?

All of this is nothing but nationalistic bullshit and this issue should be solved with a compromisation as it did but if we go deeper into the historical truth the problem of the Greek nationalists may grow much bigger.
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Fuck you Bulgar piece of shit. This has nothing to do with History. Your language is a bulgaric dialect. Your names are slavic, have nothing to do with the names of Macedonia that they exist until the invasion of Slavs and Bulgars of the 6th century AC. Take a look to the names of the ancient and Byzantine Macedonians, Archelaos, Antigonos, Lysimachos, Basileios, Dimitrios. What connection have with your slavic names; All these are greek names. And speaking of nationalists, you the Skopjan scum, are the ones that are trying to claim our lands, and our country, our history, and not us. So who is the nationalist?
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You can blame Churchill and the British for what happened to Greece since WW2!
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I am me again Alexander the Greatest from Cyprus.

I do not really think that this topic is of any importance but maybe if the Greek Nazis are kind enough they can open many topics in many forums and I will follow them because they do not allow the Truth to be heard in their fascist land and they never answer in anything but for some reason they opened this issue in here so I can eventually speak. Thanks.

About the language. Back then the Greek language was much like the today English while was widely used for international communication and so it became the language of the Macedonian empire as it happened also later in the Eastern Roman Empire which is more clear that was not Greek because of the language while also after the Justinian code the term "Greek" was punishable even by death and the language they were speaking even though it was based in the ancient Greek was called Roman language and the same happened with the Macedonians who were calling their new language Macedonian language but there also evidence that they were bilingual. It seems like they had their own national language which was unintelligible by the Greeks but they didn't have writing and if there is a doubt I will expand on this.

So here is the question now. The residents of the Roman empire and even the Grecophones were Greek and they were all descendants of the ancient Greeks while there was no such thing as Greek national conscious and while the Roman empire was multinational?

The following question is not the perfect example while the Macedonians had also their own language but can help to understand the idiocy which is spread in this subject.

The Americans are British because of the language they are speaking?

The fact that we are speaking about a different and distinct nation is beyond than clear and this is what is suggested also by the many references we have of the ancient Greeks who were considering the Macedonians as Barbarians and "inferior" just as they were considering all the Pelasgians who did not turn to Greeks such as for example the Macedonians who did not turn to Greeks no matter what they say today based mostly in this issue of the language while they had fundamental cultural differences and there is not even a single evidence that they ever considered themselves as Greeks while they were also holding the memory of the bullying by the ethnocentric Greek bigots such as Metaxas and those who were slaughtering whole villages of the Slavophones with women and children in order to feed the monster of their national superiority complex.

So we had these people who were the vast majority of the population of the whole region of Macedonia including the Aegean Macedonia who were Slavophones but who were also bilingual just like the ancient Macedonians and this is also because the current geographical region is a crossroad between two different worlds and this was and still is regardless the origins of the today Macedonians.

According to independent sources about the demographics of that region the Grecophones was about 10% of the population and this was AFTER the Hellenization which also a product of the Hellenic idea which arose at the 18 century and so the nationalistic propaganda of the Greeks had to somehow "fit" this reality in their agenda and so they begun thinking the possibility that they are of Greek origins which at some extent can't be totally mistaken because population do not just disappear and so they originally created this idea that they are descendants of the ancient Macedonians and the official Greek state was calling them as Slavomacedonians from the beginning of the Greek nation.

Normally the Macedonians who were also facing the Greek bigotry which kept rising begun searching deeper and so they have traced this "coincidence" which suggest that the ancient Macedonians were also victims of the Greek bigotry and based on this they begun building their own nationalistic mythology which is clearly and beyond any doubt a child of the Greek nationalism.

So regarding the today Macedonian language of the today Macedonian nation which is not, of course, a direct continuation of the ancient Macedonian nation as the Greek nationalism suggests for the today Greek nation and drove the Macedonian nationalists also in this reaction.

First of all, we have to make it clear that we are speaking about the Macedonian language beyond any doubt while the original Slavic language was born in Roman Macedonia around the 8th century and so it was also based in the Macedonian memory and it would make perfect sense to suggest that this language was spread among the populations of that region and so there were also descendants of the ancient Greeks and the ancient Macedonians who were and they are still speaking this language which was the language of the vast majority of the region of Macedonia before the Balkan wars and even after the "Hellenic idea" which was born in the 18th century and the Hellenization of the populations of that religion even by force.

After the Balkan wars, they brought settlers mostly from Turkey and they are the vast majority of the today "Greek Macedonians" who claim to be descendants of Alexander.

So who can claim descendancy of the ancient Macedonians, the residents of that region who were kicked out from their land after the Balkan wars and they can even claim a genocide or the settlers?

All of this is nothing but nationalistic bullshit and this issue should be solved with a compromisation as it did but if we go deeper into the historical truth the problem of the Greek nationalists may grow much bigger.
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Fuck you Bulgar piece of shit. This has nothing to do with History. Your language is a bulgaric dialect. Your names are slavic, have nothing to do with the names of Macedonia that they exist until the invasion of Slavs and Bulgars of the 6th century AC. Take a look to the names of the ancient and Byzantine Macedonians, Archelaos, Antigonos, Lysimachos, Basileios, Dimitrios. What connection have with your slavic names; All these are greek names. And speaking of nationalists, you the Skopjan scum, are the ones that are trying to claim our lands, and our country, our history, and not us. So who is the nationalist?
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You can blame Churchill and the British for what happened to Greece since WW2!
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No. We Greeks fought against Moussolini's fascists and Hitler's Nazis for 7 months from 28th October 1940 to May 1941, unlike what this Skpojan propagandist said. And we resist fiercely against the triple occupation of Greece, by Italians, Germans and Bulgarians, paying a huge tribute, since 800.000 Greeks lost their lives. But it was our duty to our country, and to the free people that were foghting against the Nazis. Unlike the Skopjans that they "open their legs" at Hitler's troops, provoking the collapse of our defence in Northern Greece.
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That movie what came out Corp Mandellis Violin....it portrayed the Greeks as being very welcoming to the Italian invaders, but not so much of the nazis that came in later on when Mussolini men couldn't hold the island
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This is a part of something I wrote elsewhere:

So this elitist and highly arrogant tribe developed the Greek kingdoms which were in constant wars with each other while they kept feeding on ego and arrogance. The wars between the Spartans and the Athenians weakened the Greek world and made it vulnerable to the Persians who wanted to conquer them and expand their empire.

So while the Greeks were killing each other a non-Greek Pelasgian nation arose in the borders of the Greek land. It was the Barbaric Kingdom of Macedonia which was made of a mixture of Barbarian tribes such as the Illyrians, the Phryges, the Paeonians, the Thracians and others and of course today the Slavs who mixed with the ancient Macedonians as the genetic research also suggest. Of course, there could be also Macedonians of Greek origins but according to the ancient texts would be far fetched to suggest that they were an important number while the Macedonians were so highly disregarded by the Greek elitist bigots that they considered them even lower than the rest "Barbaric" tribes.

What would make more sense to suggest is that Alexander and the royal family of the Macedonians had descendency from the Argead Kingship line as it suggested and this would make perfect sense while as we know usually the royal families have a common ancestry but beyond this it is beyond than obvious that the Macedonians were a distinct nation while they also had their own native language and it seems like that the reasons they adopted the Greek language is that because they had no writing and because the Greek language was empowered also by the thought of the philosophers and so in every case with the Greek language the thought of the Greek philosophers have traveled with Alexander in his conquest.

We can suggest that the ancient Macedonians they were HELLENIZED at some level (as they were also Romanized after) in this way and developed the Greco-Macedonian culture and not that they were Greeks with Greek conscious and Greek culture and those who claim the opposite need to re-examine the data and stop pushing political agendas.

About the origins of the royal family of Macedonia remember also that Alexander claimed also ancestry of the Persian royal family and this would be very possible while according to my research what would make sense to suggest is the most of the royal bloodlines had common origins and we can find the links by studying their history and their mythology.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

What would make Alexander more Hellene than Persian is his Greek education and the language he was speaking but according also to my research and my interaction with the malicious and chauvinistic neo-Greek conscious, I do not think that is fair to his memory to consider him as an ethnocentric Greek, who followed the Greek conscious and who could in any way express Greek nationalism as it is also expressed after the rebirth of the Greek nation. This is more like a hilarious comedy that can turn out to be a tragedy for the today Greeks while his conscious and his reality is incompatible with their perceptions of reality.

This to me seems like the biggest historical forgery (count also the rebirth of a nation which did not exist for 15+ centuries) of history because what happened is that he dominated the Greek conscious with his ecumenical vision and this is why he was so much hated by the Greek bigots because he equated them with the "Barbarians" and this is why they eventually killed him (this is obvious but is also my claim).

Alexander more likely was an internationalist with a double or even a triple nationality (Macedonian, Greek, Persian) rather than a Greek nationalist as he is presented in reality by this forgery and it is a HUGE mistake to consider that his only aim was to spread the Greek culture, and this view does not in any way help us to understand his history and this is why few know for example that he gave a command to rebuild the tower of Marduk who was the God of HIS ANCESTOR Cyrus the Great and few if any understand the importance of this.

The Greco-centric and mostly the GERMAN view of things does not help us to understand history and it is more like that we keep building on a very dangerous illusion while the modern Greco-centrism is a product of mostly the German mentality which also produced the Nazis.

Remember also that he made a capital of his empire Babylon which was the cradle of human civilization and not Athens which was the cradle of western civilization. It is a forgery and a crime to not explain that the Macedonian empire was empowered and enriched with the traditions of the east and that we are speaking about some "Greek conscious" and project the superiority complex of the ancient Greeks over the eastern traditions, which paradoxically was projected also against the ancient Macedonians and Alexander himself!

Here are some facts:

The Macedonians back in the times of Philip and Alexander were a tribal mixture of non-Greek tribes which were later Hellenized.

The Hellenic world which Alexander brought was not ethnocentric. It was a multicultural amalgamation and people from all traditions have contributed their energy to it.

Macedonia as a Roman province was a multicultural state and the official language was Latin.

Later Macedonia mixed with Slavs and the vast majority of the population were Slavophones before the conflict with Greece.

This geographical region was known as the Kingdom of Paeonia before Philip conquered this kingdom and named it as Upper Macedonia.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

So let's summarize. Here is what you have to know about our captain in order also to understand where he will take us.

Question: Was Alexander a Macedonian?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Was Alexander a Hellene?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Was Alexander a Persian King as he claimed?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Was Alexander an Egyptian?

Answer: Yes he was an Egyptian God while he was anointed as Horus.

Question: Was Alexander a Greek nationalist who "belongs" to the new Greek nation?

Answer: No and those who believe this need to visit some doctor.

Question: Was Alexander a Macedonian nationalist who "belongs" to the new Slavic Macedonian nation?

Answer: No and those who believe this need to visit some doctor and after an exorcist.

Question: Was Alexander an internationalist?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Was Alexander of some "superior tribe" like the German Nazis and the ancient Greeks?

Answer: NO!
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That movie what came out Corp Mandellis Violin....it portrayed the Greeks as being very welcoming to the Italian invaders, but not so much of the nazis that came in later on when Mussolini men couldn't hold the island
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Do you really believe that movies are historically accurate? I would advice you a history book about the Greek-Italian war during WWII.
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Of course we are speaking about mentally perverted fascist retards brainwashed by stupid and ridiculous nationalistic idiotic malakies who can't communicate with their dead and useless brains and this is they can't answer based on arguments while none of their fascist anti-human kind could ever answer to anything and this is why because of this shit those who have no brains are going mad over things they can't fit in their stupid fascist head and try to drive the rest in their infinite bullshit.

So while is impossible to communicate with demonically possessed retards they can keep building on their mental sickness which will drive them where they need to go and I will keep analyzing the subject according to the real data.
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This is a part of something I wrote elsewhere:

So this elitist and highly arrogant tribe developed the Greek kingdoms which were in constant wars with each other while they kept feeding on ego and arrogance. The wars between the Spartans and the Athenians weakened the Greek world and made it vulnerable to the Persians who wanted to conquer them and expand their empire.

So while the Greeks were killing each other a non-Greek Pelasgian nation arose in the borders of the Greek land. It was the Barbaric Kingdom of Macedonia which was made of a mixture of Barbarian tribes such as the Illyrians, the Phryges, the Paeonians, the Thracians and others and of course today the Slavs who mixed with the ancient Macedonians as the genetic research also suggest. Of course, there could be also Macedonians of Greek origins but according to the ancient texts would be far fetched to suggest that they were an important number while the Macedonians were so highly disregarded by the Greek elitist bigots that they considered them even lower than the rest "Barbaric" tribes.

What would make more sense to suggest is that Alexander and the royal family of the Macedonians had descendency from the Argead Kingship line as it suggested and this would make perfect sense while as we know usually the royal families have a common ancestry but beyond this it is beyond than obvious that the Macedonians were a distinct nation while they also had their own native language and it seems like that the reasons they adopted the Greek language is that because they had no writing and because the Greek language was empowered also by the thought of the philosophers and so in every case with the Greek language the thought of the Greek philosophers have traveled with Alexander in his conquest.

We can suggest that the ancient Macedonians they were HELLENIZED at some level (as they were also Romanized after) in this way and developed the Greco-Macedonian culture and not that they were Greeks with Greek conscious and Greek culture and those who claim the opposite need to re-examine the data and stop pushing political agendas.

About the origins of the royal family of Macedonia remember also that Alexander claimed also ancestry of the Persian royal family and this would be very possible while according to my research what would make sense to suggest is the most of the royal bloodlines had common origins and we can find the links by studying their history and their mythology.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

What would make Alexander more Hellene than Persian is his Greek education and the language he was speaking but according also to my research and my interaction with the malicious and chauvinistic neo-Greek conscious, I do not think that is fair to his memory to consider him as an ethnocentric Greek, who followed the Greek conscious and who could in any way express Greek nationalism as it is also expressed after the rebirth of the Greek nation. This is more like a hilarious comedy that can turn out to be a tragedy for the today Greeks while his conscious and his reality is incompatible with their perceptions of reality.

This to me seems like the biggest historical forgery (count also the rebirth of a nation which did not exist for 15+ centuries) of history because what happened is that he dominated the Greek conscious with his ecumenical vision and this is why he was so much hated by the Greek bigots because he equated them with the "Barbarians" and this is why they eventually killed him (this is obvious but is also my claim).

Alexander more likely was an internationalist with a double or even a triple nationality (Macedonian, Greek, Persian) rather than a Greek nationalist as he is presented in reality by this forgery and it is a HUGE mistake to consider that his only aim was to spread the Greek culture, and this view does not in any way help us to understand his history and this is why few know for example that he gave a command to rebuild the tower of Marduk who was the God of HIS ANCESTOR Cyrus the Great and few if any understand the importance of this.

The Greco-centric and mostly the GERMAN view of things does not help us to understand history and it is more like that we keep building on a very dangerous illusion while the modern Greco-centrism is a product of mostly the German mentality which also produced the Nazis.

Remember also that he made a capital of his empire Babylon which was the cradle of human civilization and not Athens which was the cradle of western civilization. It is a forgery and a crime to not explain that the Macedonian empire was empowered and enriched with the traditions of the east and that we are speaking about some "Greek conscious" and project the superiority complex of the ancient Greeks over the eastern traditions, which paradoxically was projected also against the ancient Macedonians and Alexander himself!

Here are some facts:

The Macedonians back in the times of Philip and Alexander were a tribal mixture of non-Greek tribes which were later Hellenized.

The Hellenic world which Alexander brought was not ethnocentric. It was a multicultural amalgamation and people from all traditions have contributed their energy to it.

Macedonia as a Roman province was a multicultural state and the official language was Latin.

Later Macedonia mixed with Slavs and the vast majority of the population were Slavophones before the conflict with Greece.

This geographical region was known as the Kingdom of Paeonia before Philip conquered this kingdom and named it as Upper Macedonia.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

So let's summarize. Here is what you have to know about our captain in order also to understand where he will take us.

Question: Was Alexander a Macedonian?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Was Alexander a Hellene?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Was Alexander a Persian King as he claimed?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Was Alexander an Egyptian?

Answer: Yes he was an Egyptian God while he was anointed as Horus.

Question: Was Alexander a Greek nationalist who "belongs" to the new Greek nation?

Answer: No and those who believe this need to visit some doctor.

Question: Was Alexander a Macedonian nationalist who "belongs" to the new Slavic Macedonian nation?

Answer: No and those who believe this need to visit some doctor and after an exorcist.

Question: Was Alexander an internationalist?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Was Alexander of some "superior tribe" like the German Nazis and the ancient Greeks?

Answer: NO!
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All you said is propaganda. Herodotus said that Macedonians and Dorians (the majority of the Peloponnesians including Spartans) are exactly the same tribe. In fact all the coins and inscriptions found from ancient Macedonia belong to the Dorian Greek dialect, and depicted heroes and gods from Greek mythology. Macedonians also partecipated to the Olympic Games like the other Greek people. As the wars between Macedonians and other Greek city states, well the Greeks always fought against each other. Sparta for example fought away more fiercely against Athens, than against the Persians. So your argument is historically fake and dumb. And until the invasion of Slavs and Bulgarians during the 6th Century AC, Macedonia's population was greek. And we never claim "tribal superiority", we only defend our rights against those we are trying to claim with false propaganda, our history and our country.
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Of course we are speaking about mentally perverted fascist retards brainwashed by stupid and ridiculous nationalistic idiotic malakies who can't communicate with their dead and useless brains and this is they can't answer based on arguments while none of their fascist anti-human kind could ever answer to anything and this is why because of this shit those who have no brains are going mad over things they can't fit in their stupid fascist head and try to drive the rest in their infinite bullshit.

So while is impossible to communicate with demonically possessed retards they can keep building on their mental sickness which will drive them where they need to go and I will keep analyzing the subject according to the real data.
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You are talking about "fascism" and "ill mentality", but you are the one with the psychotic Anti-Greek propanda, and hate against the Greeks. You are the one who attacks with false clues. Not us.
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So let's analyze this demonic fart which is supposed to be an answer without answering to them directly while there was never any way to communicate with the fascists.

First of all, language is not a proof of origins and neither of nationality and this is also suggested by the Greek nationalist who also claims that the North Macedonians are of Greek origins which can't be totally mistaken because the populations do not just disappear and this is why we also have 3 genetic research which suggest that they have roots to the ancient residents of the area.

After this, of course, it would make perfect sense that they also have some relation with the Bulgars and the Serbs who were also conquerors of that region but the fact is that they are a tribal and a multicultural mixture just like the today Greeks and the problem which arise in this case while their reality is a copy paste of the Greek reality is their right of self-identification which can't be refused within a situation that the official Greek state is calling them Slavo-Macedonians from the beginning of its existence and the name was given from the times of Samaras and Mitsotakis and the real crime is that no one ever explained this or was even able to explain this while we are speaking about a very serious demonic psychosis.
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So let's analyze this demonic fart which is supposed to be an answer without answering to them directly while there was never any way to communicate with the fascists.

First of all, language is not a proof of origins and neither of nationality and this is also suggested by the Greek nationalist who also claims that the North Macedonians are of Greek origins which can't be totally mistaken because the populations do not just disappear and this is why we also have 3 genetic research which suggest that they have roots to the ancient residents of the area.

After this, of course, it would make perfect sense that they also have some relation with the Bulgars and the Serbs who were also conquerors of that region but the fact is that they are a tribal and a multicultural mixture just like the today Greeks and the problem which arise in this case while their reality is a copy paste of the Greek reality is their right of self-identification which can't be refused within a situation that the official Greek state is calling them Slavo-Macedonians from the beginning of its existence and the name was given from the times of Samaras and Mitsotakis and the real crime is that no one ever explained this or was even able to explain this while we are speaking about a very serious demonic psychosis.
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The ancient residents of your area were Paeonians and Dardans, not Macedonians. And they are also genetic researchs made by Science that confirm that there is a historical continuation and presence of the Greek people:

[link to www.sciencemag.org (secure)]

But really if you like to continue your anti-Greek propaganda is your own problem.
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I am so bored of all the things i hear and read about the stupid conflict whether Macedonia is Greek or not.

I put this info out so consider this a crash course in history which you can just find out yourselves with a little search.Here we go..FACTS ONLY.


1-In ancient Greece there were Spartan Greeks..Messinian
Greek..Thracian greeks,Cretan Greeks,Corinthian greeks,
Macedonian greeks etc...

2-Macedonians had the same language as Greeks.
3-Macedonians had the same religion as Greeks.
4-Macedonians had the same architecture as Greeks.
5.Macedonians had the same art as Greeks.
6-Macedonians used the same names as Greeks.
7-Macedonians had the same myths as Greeks.
8-Macedonians had the same customs as Greeks.

Macedonia is Greek.Hope these facts will help everyone understand without many complicating thoughts.

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So let's try to understand the extent of this demonic mental perversion of those who pretend to be original ancient Greeks and who are humiliating the human race while doing so and they somehow have some problem with their mirror from their neighbors who are just copying their nationalistic hysteria which is also responsible for torturing and killing the Macedonians because of the language they are speaking and even slaughtering whole villages in order to prove the supreme superiority complex which is expressed as the worst kind of chauvinism.

I would ask them what solution this demonical possessed fascist retards suggest but I know the answers while they are more predictable than a fart while they will just answer the only way a brain dead retard can answer like this: Macedonian is only one and Greek. And so what they will in reality claim is that they have to repeat the same crimes because reality is not like they have been brainwashed to believe. There is no other solution for them for the problem that they = THE GREEK NATIONALISTS have created. ONLY WAR AND BLOODSHED.

First of all, there was NEVER only one and Greek Macedonia but even if we suggest that the Macedonia of Alexander was (which was not as Herodotus will also explain) Greek. After the was also the Roman Macedonia and Macedonia was not Greek for about 20 centuries. We are speaking about a very dangerous demonic possession here not about something which can be considered as "normal".

So let's see what the ancient Greeks were saying about the Macedonians.
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The Paeonians were part of the Macedonian tribe which was a mixture of tribes and this is beyond than clear. The ancient kingdom of Paeonia was conquered by Philip so that region renamed as Upper Macedonia and remained as a part of the region of the Roman province o Macedonia. So how these people were called?

1-In ancient Greece there were Spartan Greeks..Messinian
Greek..Thracian greeks,Cretan Greeks,Corinthian greeks,
Macedonian greeks etc...

The Macedonians were not considered as Greeks. All the rest did.

2-Macedonians had the same language as Greeks.

Before the adoption of the Greek language, there is evidence that they had their own language which I will present.

3-Macedonians had the same religion as Greeks.

No this is tremendous and unforgivable bullshit which needs to be answered and will in full details.

4-Macedonians had the same architecture as Greeks.
5.Macedonians had the same art as Greeks.
6-Macedonians used the same names as Greeks.
7-Macedonians had the same myths as Greeks.
8-Macedonians had the same customs as Greeks.

Of course, they were culturally affected by the dominant culture of the times just as the Romans did but they had their own national conscious. Also they didn't have the same customs. They didn't have the same myths while they didn't have the same religion. They had also their names in their own language.

We will analyze everything do not worry. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to expose this historical orgery.
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I am so bored of all the things i hear and read about the stupid conflict whether Macedonia is Greek or not.

I put this info out so consider this a crash course in history which you can just find out yourselves with a little search.Here we go..FACTS ONLY.


1-In ancient Greece there were Spartan Greeks..Messinian
Greek..Thracian greeks,Cretan Greeks,Corinthian greeks,
Macedonian greeks etc...

2-Macedonians had the same language as Greeks.
3-Macedonians had the same religion as Greeks.
4-Macedonians had the same architecture as Greeks.
5.Macedonians had the same art as Greeks.
6-Macedonians used the same names as Greeks.
7-Macedonians had the same myths as Greeks.
8-Macedonians had the same customs as Greeks.

Macedonia is Greek.Hope these facts will help everyone understand without many complicating thoughts.

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oh oh i forgot one!

Only Greeks were allowed participation in the Olympic games.And the question s..Did Macedonians participate in the Olympics?

ofcourse. End of story.

I hope all these reasons are used from everyone that doesnt have a clue if Macedonia is Greek or not.

There are many reasons that the PTB want Macedonia to be stolen from Greece.I am so bored to write them down.I made this post for people to understand the subject better.

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Re: To all free thinkers: Think about Macedonia for pity’s sake
So let's try to understand the extent of this demonic mental perversion of those who pretend to be original ancient Greeks and who are humiliating the human race while doing so and they somehow have some problem with their mirror from their neighbors who are just copying their nationalistic hysteria which is also responsible for torturing and killing the Macedonians because of the language they are speaking and even slaughtering whole villages in order to prove the supreme superiority complex which is expressed as the worst kind of chauvinism.

I would ask them what solution this demonical possessed fascist retards suggest but I know the answers while they are more predictable than a fart while they will just answer the only way a brain dead retard can answer like this: Macedonian is only one and Greek. And so what they will in reality claim is that they have to repeat the same crimes because reality is not like they have been brainwashed to believe. There is no other solution for them for the problem that they = THE GREEK NATIONALISTS have created. ONLY WAR AND BLOODSHED.

First of all, there was NEVER only one and Greek Macedonia but even if we suggest that the Macedonia of Alexander was (which was not as Herodotus will also explain) Greek. After the was also the Roman Macedonia and Macedonia was not Greek for about 20 centuries. We are speaking about a very dangerous demonic possession here not about something which can be considered as "normal".

So let's see what the ancient Greeks were saying about the Macedonians.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77640313


You want to know what the ancient Greek authors said for the Macedonians? Ok:

Use a translator to translate from ancient Greek:

Herodotus:

"...επί μεν γαρ Δευκαλίωνο&​#962; βασιλέος οίκεε γην την Φθιώτιν, επί δέ Δώρου του Έλληνος την υπό την Όσσαν τε και τον Όλυμπον χώρην, καλεομένην δέ Ιστιαιώτιν&​#903; εκ δέ της Ιστιαιώτιδ&​#959;ς ώς εξανέστη υπό Καδμείων, οίκεε εν Πίνδω Μακεδνόν καλεόμενον&​#903; ενθεύτεν δέ αύτις ες την Δρυοπίδα μετέβη και εκ της Δρυοπίδος ούτω ες Πελοπόννησ&​#959;ν ελθόν Δωρικόν εκλήθη. "

Here is the answer of King Alexander the First, when he helped with information the other Greeks to win during the battle of Platea in 479 BC, from Herodotus's history:

"Άνδρες Αθηναίοι… Αυτός τε γαρ Έλλην γένος ειμί τω αρχαίον και αντ’ ελευθέρης δεδουλωμέν&​#951;ν ουκ αν εθέλοιμι οράν τη Ελλάδα… Ειμί δε Αλέξανδρος ο Μακεδών"

From Strabo's geography:

"Εστιν μεν ουν Ελλάς και η Μακεδονία"

These are some examples. As for Macedonia after the Roman conquest, continued to be greek. We know for example that Lucius Aemilius Paulus talk in Greek at Macedonians in Pella. The same did St Paul at the city of Philippi. Things only changed after the invasion of the Slavs and the Bulgars during the 6th Century AC.





GLP