New Zealand is not a normal country

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its the constant earthquakes and tremors. I'd leave too.

Noiseworks are an Australian band that was formed here.

Jon Stevens is a Kiwi but the rest of the band were Aussies

how easy is to disapper in the wilde in NZ?

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Former Chinese spy trainer and NZ MP faces calls to be sacked
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New Zealand Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters has called for the Nationals Party to sack an MP who has previously admitted to training Chinese spies.

Dr Jian Yang has been a member of the NZ parliament since 2011, but revealed in 2017 his ties to the Chinese Communist Party and his involvement in training Chinese spies before migrating to New Zealand in the 1990s.

Dr Yang denied ever being a Chinese spy himself.

Sky News New Zealand correspondent Jackson Williams said Dr Yang has proved to be an “incredibly elusive figure” for journalists since 2017, having not given an interview in this term of parliament.

Mr Williams told Sky News host Andrew Bolt there have also been international media reports suggesting some Five Eyes nations – of which New Zealand is a member – have expressed concerns over Dr Yang’s “historical connection to Chinese military intelligence”.

Deputy Prime Minister Peters has called for Opposition Leader Todd Muller to “stand up for this country” and deal with Dr Yang’s membership in the party.
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teledine
teledine
1 week ago
Dr Jian Yang won't give an interview because clearly he knows 'The Party' is looking at him. He knows if he says the wrong thing he will be 'recalled' and face mysterious disappearance.

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Fay D
Fay D
1 week ago
Yep epsteined

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M Dh
M Dh
1 week ago
True. They can never be trusted.

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Ed Ed
Ed Ed
1 week ago
true true, like a chinese-american scientist that was working on finding out the cellular components of the ccp-virus in the US and was really close on figuring it out, he got killed by a chinese nationalist and then he killed himself [link to pittsburgh.cbslocal.com (secure)] ... go figure.
and just remembered that this US politician had a chinese spy as driver for over 20 years: [link to www.washingtonexaminer.com (secure)] so u can imagine that OZ and NZ and any other western state has a high probability having its own chinese spy´s infiltration too...
its infiltration: [link to www.justice.gov (secure)]

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Renaldi Roekanto
Renaldi Roekanto
1 week ago
well, if you look at his website [jianyang.national.org.nz], you know he has audiences on his homeland after all...

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FreeDOMofspeechNZ
FreeDOMofspeechNZ
1 week ago
@Renaldi Roekanto NZ and Australia are vassal states of China.

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Mike Chua
Mike Chua
1 week ago
When someone say the did nothing wrong when confronted, 90% they r gulity.

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Michelle Moors
Michelle Moors
1 week ago
Aussie self-serving politicians have long sold off Australia’s interests to China. We are all now members of the CCP thanks to them....

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Dave KryKey
Dave KryKey
1 week ago
in the 60's 70's 80's and early 90's would any parliament let and ex-KGB trainer from the USSR, move to the country and then allow him to be elected to parliament which he now has access to as an MP to Government information?

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Amanda milson
Amanda milson
1 week ago
Australia needs to get back to being Australia. Get rid of all this overseas bullshitt

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Dancing Gorilla
Dancing Gorilla
1 week ago
India banned 59 Chinese apps, Aussies should do it too...don't be afraid of these paper tigers

FUNFACT: Chinese PLA ambushed Indian soldiers and instead got 43 of their soldiers killed

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Riley Smith
Riley Smith
1 week ago
If it smells like money, follow the money. Warrants to search accounts, at the moment our national security is very vulnerable.

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Darth Vader
Darth Vader
1 week ago
They are everywhere inside government outside in public.

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FreeDOMofspeechNZ
FreeDOMofspeechNZ
1 week ago
Yep. It's becoming rare to see white Kiwi or Maori faces on our streets, NZ's zenophillia is out of control.

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I crown U
I crown U
1 week ago
Just because CCP agents can do any gov't job. Doesn't mean the goal is working for your gov't


Rea Hut
Rea Hut
1 week ago
Yes


Jason Robinson
Jason Robinson
1 week ago
Darth Vader there like ant 🐜 everywhere lol

You want to live away from other people?

Very easy to disappear dude. NZ have their own version of "Wolf Creek". Just as psycho as the Aussie version.

Thank God!

FINALLY!

The violent druink and idiot Kiwis "WE SO SPECHAL!" wont be able to leave!

GOOD

Stay in your shithole country faggggots!

you dumb fuck you cannot even spell..

hows that freedom and democracy working for ya..

Alien Haven.

Why are they starving

Do they not know how to raise livestock and grow food?

Isnt it normal for adults to make food to children

Thats normal.

Children are not supposed to make their own food

NZ is a british cuck.

We never get war debree like a comet gives debree, sometimes it even sleeps nice

Place is ripe for some serious political assassinations.

OP is obviously a Kiwi who doesn’t want anyone moving to his country.

"The Kiwi pr machine is alive and well, trying to convince the forum that NZ is a paradise.

Is that why 1/4 NZ have left and don't live there? Is that why probably half of these who have left live in Australia?

NZ is a shithole full of shithole people"

Their own pozzed fagggggot society

Run by Demonic Conehead Rothschild

Ummm.....if I live in a "shithole" then I have no words for where you live given the current climate within your country.

PS: Without President Trump at the helm you Americans would be totally fucked by now!!

NZ is a beautiful country. We have low population numbers on our side (for now), but it is very expensive to even have a basic standard of living.

Successive governments have sold out the countries resources and human parasites have taken advantage of the people - pretty much like everywhere else in the world.

Most people are sheep (ironic since NZ is known for having alot of sheep) and do what they are told which has it's good points but of course also bad.

The current Labour (Left) government is just the iron fist with a velvet glove - National (Right) is the iron fist. The sheep sway back and forth between voting the left and the right muttering the same nonsense while everything gets worse.

The sheep mostly love Jacinda, while completing ignoring the housing crisis travesty which Labour has done nothing about.

So it's pretty much a clusterfuck lol.

Most people in NZ have no idea how NZ really runs.

New Zealand is registered as a corporation at the SEC.

The Corporation is owned by the Queen of England and administered through letters of patent exclusively in the hands of her represe4ntative the Governor General.

When the NZ govt passes a Law it is not legitimate until signed off by the Governor General.

The Governor General is also a Female Freemason.

When you become a Freemason you can be promoted up the ranks. When you are they require you to agree to an Oath of Obligation.

The Oath of Obligation requires you to obey the command of a senior Freemason unless it endangers your life or that of your family. This includes the covering up of Murder if asked.

The Head of the NZ Police has always been a Freemason.
The Heads of the NZ military and Intelligence are Freemasons.
The Heads of the NZ Media are Freemasons.

Royal Commissions of Inquiry are headed by a Freemason or a Freemason's wife in NZ.

The Hospitals in NZ are owned and run by the NZ government. The Managers are also Freemasons who cover-up deaths caused by pharmaceuticals because they get shares in those Freemason owned Pharmaceutical corporations.

Small nation NZ, 2200 deaths per year caused by pharmaceuticals administered by a doctor or nurse. The NZ public is unaware of this number.

The Oath of Obligation also requires a Freemason to employ a Freemason over a non Freemason in employment situations.

That is why the top end of NZ is packed with corrupt Freemasons.

This is way the courts and government is staffed with Freemasons. It aids in covering up Freemason crimes.

The Freemason Media censors Freemason indiscretions. The NZ public have no idea.

All western nations are running the same scam. Take Taxpayer dollars and award them to Freemason contractors or corporations.

Making themselves rich at our expense.

The PM of NZ is just another one of their puppets.

So this horseteeth is saying "OI! OUR IMMIGRANTS WORK HARDER THAN YOUR PEOPLE ON AVERAGE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO WORK, WHEREASE 5% OF YOUR COUNTRY MAY NOT HAVE TO BECAUSE THEY CAN LIVE WITH FAMILIES, BUT JUST BECAUSE OF THIS IF THEY COMMIT A CROIM YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM AND WE DONT WANT OUR OWN CRIMINALS BACK, BECAUSE IF THEY WORK HARDER ONLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO THEY SHOULD STAY THERE BECAUSE WE KNOW THEY WILL COME BACK AND BE ON WELFARE SO WE DONT WANT THEM BECAUSE WE ARE A S HTTY DIRTY A55 DIRT POOR COUNTRY"

NZ IS A SHTHOLE COUNTRY

THEY SEND THEIR BEST TO YOU AUSSIES

THIS GUY WAS A KIWI



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"How Indian slaves corrupted New Zealand’s labour market
By David Llewellyn-Smith in Australian Economy, New Zealand Economyat 11:00 am on August 20, 2020 | 16 comments
Via Stuff comes a great expose of how Indian slavery arrived in New Zealand.

Over two years, a growing number of young Indian men have come forward alleging exploitation by their employer. Why does this keep happening? National Correspondent Steve Kilgallon reports.

In 2016, at the height of an export education boom, 11,024 Indians came to New Zealand on student visas.

Most came from the remote, rural Sikh-majority Punjab province, lured by promises made by unlicensed education agents and illusory sales pitches by tertiary institutions and our government that New Zealand offered a straightforward “pathway to residency”.

The students brought money, in student and visa fees, but many found the promised “pathway” anything but straightforward.

For two years, Stuff has published an ever-growing catalogue of stories exposing the routine exploitation of young Indian students, often by more established Indian migrants. There has been repeated tales of being paid $7 an hour; working more than 80 hours a week; denied days off, holidays and sick days; of paying “premiums” of up to $40,000 for a job.

Bhavdeep Singh, who still hasn’t attained residency after five years of hard and allegedly exploitative work in a Rotorua liquor store, is scornful.

“Because the Government needed so much money, they got a huge amount of students without ILETS [English language qualifications] and other proper documents – so when they needed us, they can bring us without proper investigation,” he says. “Now when we need them, they are breaking [promises].”

A report commissioned by the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE) in 2019 identified Indian students as the most vulnerable group for migrant exploitation, calling them a “pool of workers unscrupulous employers can exploit” and saying some employers specifically targeted such students.

So why are so many young Punjabi Sikhs exploited – and who is to blame?

The agents
The story starts at the Partition of India by the British in 1947, when the Punjab region was carved between Pakistan and India and the province’s Sikh majority began to suffer a half-century of discrimination.

Punjabis began to emigrate – to the US, UK, Canada and Australia – a flight accelerated more recently by skyrocketing land prices in a fertile region which covers just 1.5 per cent of India’s landmass, but provides much of its food. Previously poor farmers were enriched and able to send their offspring offshore, particularly those who had no interest in working in agriculture.

Experienced immigration advisor Malkiat Singh, for example, had that experience: after completing a mechatronics degree, his choice was a big city, or overseas.

“Parents will say, ‘If you are going away from us, you may as well go overseas and earn better.’ It’s quite a common belief that… the further away you go, the better the opportunities.”

First stop for these wanderlusting students is an education agent. Half of all overseas students arrive here via an agent. And while immigration agents in this country must be licensed, offshore education agents are not. That means there’s no regulation of the promises they make.

The MBIE report – produced by Waikato University’s Francis Collins and Auckland University’s Christina Stringer – describes these agents as “sell[ing] them a dream of obtaining permanent residency… the reality is different and many find it difficult to obtain a job and thus they become vulnerable to exploitation”.

Students will often borrow against land or homes to finance their study, but in some cases, says Malkiat Singh, agents construct sophisticated financial arrangements to skirt Immigration NZ inquiries into students’ finances.

In 2017, Immigration NZ (INZ) cancelled 400 visas (including those of nine students who took sanctuary in an Auckland church) after agents submitted fraudulent financial paperwork.

Singh says agents target unworldly Indian students in their late teens.

If a student were to question, or even ask to look at that paperwork, says immigration lawyer Alistair McClymont, the agent would simply throw them out.

The Indian class system means that usually, a student wouldn’t dare question the promises made to them by an agent or a New Zealand education establishment, explains McClymont, who has worked with Indian migrants for 20 years, has a degree in Indian history and is married to an Indian woman, his business partner Aakanksha.

The agents, says Malkiat Singh firmly, “are the root of the problem. They tell them everything is easy… that life will be easy.”

The education
Tertiary education recruitment from India has reached such an extent that many business courses will have an entirely Indian cohort. Some, says McClymont, will have a Hindi translator in the classroom.

Students are typically steered into level 5, 6 and 7 business diplomas, which can be later cross-credited to the first year of a bachelor’s degree.

Harman Singh, for example, arrived in 2013, inspired by cousins who had moved to the US and Australia. His lawyer told him he would be a permanent resident within two years: he still hasn’t got residency. In India, he’d studied automotive engineering, and would have preferred to study an engineering degree here. Instead, he says, he was “ignored” and enrolled in a worthless business course.

McClymont says those courses have “zero value – you won’t find any Indian students who will say these diplomas have any value in the Indian labour market”, where post-graduate degrees are highly valued and competition is fierce.

Bhavdeep Singh laughs at the business courses he studied. “The education I was getting here I can compare to like my tenth grade school.”

It’s a hidden world. McClymont says his local friends are “oblivious” to the issue of migrant student exploitation, because in their mind, an overseas student is someone studying a short course in English language, or an engineering master’s degree at Auckland University.

It fits with the politicians’ rhetoric of “quality qualifications” on offer to our overseas students. McClymont says that’s hideous hypocrisy.

Even if students do realise their course is worthless, INZ rules make it difficult for them to change path after arrival in New Zealand.

Some institutions appear complicit in gaming the system: while students are capped at 20 hours work per week, the MBIE report says some cram full-time courses into two days a week so students can work longer.

Once the students start study, Malkiat Singh says they find themselves in a bubble – “and the rules of exploitation have already started”. Those who flat with Kiwis, he says, are likely to stay away from exploitation and find legitimate jobs.

“But those who keep living with their countrymen acquire a set of beliefs of failure and that success is not possible and this [being exploited] is the only way to get residency.

“They undergo conditioning from the moment they arrive. The first thing they hear is ‘you’ve chosen the wrong country’, the second thing is ‘you have chosen business, you are doomed, nothing will happen out of it’.”

Most, he says, do nothing to break the cycle until it’s too late, when their final visa is expiring. “They should be aware of this on the first day: if you go into this cycle, you won’t get anywhere. You will just have regrets.”

The job
The Indian students who come here tend to be poorer than from other countries, study at lower-quality establishments and need employment quickly, and so will accept poorer conditions.

Desperate for work, they are steered towards the late 1980s-early 1990s wave of Punjabi migrants, some of whom are exploitative employers. This group tended, argues McClymont, to be hardworking, entrepreneurial and forced to set up their own businesses as a result of their inability to break into the labour force by a “very discriminatory labour market [then] where Kiwi employers wouldn’t even look at an Indian name on a job application, regardless of their skills or experience”.

That wave of migrants also tended to be exploited by even earlier arrivals, working long hours for below minimum wage – but they also saw that work as an opportunity. One couple McClymont knew, for example, paid their way into employment on arriving here, were now successful in business on their own account, and considered the former boss who had exploited them to be a friend, because he had given them a foot in the door.

McClymont has been enraged by successive National and Labour immigration ministers talking of students exploiting the pathway to residence, when he’s seen INZ and Education NZ use that very terminology. “The hypocrisy is just unbearable,” he says.

“All these students come here believing the roads are paved with gold, they invest money and realise they have been lied to – by the government, by Education New Zealand, by the schools and by the schools’ agents,” McClymont says.

“The only way they can get a return on that investment is borrowing more money to pay an employer, or to work long hours or work for $7 an hour… and a lot of them are incredibly grateful. The employers know this, and think they are doing these guys a favour, because while the Government has failed them, they are allowing these guys a pathway to residency.

“They believe they are doing them a favour – but if they’ve got money in the bank and a $3m house then they should give them a break.”

Emails to Stuff from some members of the Indian community and postings online reflect this view, questioning the complicity of exploited students in their work arrangements.

Just as a student wouldn’t question their agent or teacher, they struggle to challenge their older, more successful employers, McClymont says. And in the hyper-competitive Indian domestic labour market, they are used to the concept that you need contacts and a willingness to work for virtually nothing to get a start.

When he first arrived in New Zealand, Malkiat Singh worked for $6 an hour in a supermarket. He saw the owners sponsoring a Diwali festival, and felt they were buying popularity with the money saved on his labour. Exploited workers see the success their employers enjoy and “almost get reconditioned that this is the way it works. They develop a certain worldview where it becomes the norm: to win in business, you have to do these things.”

Singh also points to what he says is a heavily ingrained notion in Indian society of delayed gratification: if you work hard, the rewards will come. A migrant desperate for residency can be easily convinced that working 80 hours a week for $7 an hour is worth it, if they can secure that stamp in their passport.

The shame
But once a migrant realises they are being exploited, or resolves to do something about it – usually when their treatment worsens, or promises around visas aren’t kept, or employers are ready to move on to newer, more malleable arrivals – there are powerful factors which stop them acting.

One is shame. Families at home who’ve sold or borrowed against land believe in their children’s success “like a fairytale coming true… if I send my son to New Zealand, my life will be easy”, says Malkiat Singh, and have an expectation of remittances and improved social status.

Tens of thousands of dollars in the hole, a debt they could never repay working back home, their offspring can’t face walking away.

Bhavdeep Singh, for example, says it took him two years to tell his NZ-resident sister of his own exploitation, so “imagine how many other guys are unable to talk”, he says.

“It is embarrassing: Today I would have to tell people I spent $30,000 to come to New Zealand to work for five years for $10 an hour and not earn anything. Now I have to start again.”

Harman Singh agrees returning home is not a welcome prospect for most.

“It would be shameful,” he says. “A lot of your family members would blame you – they would think, ‘If he had worked hard over there he wouldn’t be coming home.’”

But would you be celebrated if you returned with a New Zealand passport? “Definitely,” he says. “It is a very big thing for us, getting a New Zealand passport.”

The carrot
That’s the carrot that dangles before a migrant: because residency frees them from the grip of an exploitative employer and offers the chance to join the world of legitimate work.

The MBIE report says the Indian students’ particular vulnerability is partly because they have staked everything on securing residency. And a gaping flaw in the “skilled migrant” category of New Zealand’s visa system offers a glimpse of success.

McClymont says it is virtually impossible for a young Indian student migrant to turn work at a big corporate employer into a residence visa. So they have become skilled at finding the niches – and the current one is being a “store manager”. That means the manager of a tiny bottle store with one or two employees and making a profit of $40-80,000 a year qualifies for a visa.

The Government, seeing this, has brought in salary thresholds: $52,000 is the minimum, and $79,000 automatically makes you “skilled”. But McClymont says that has simply increased the illegal “premium” paid by employees for their jobs to cover this salary hike.

Bhavdeep Singh believes that policy in particular pushes Punjabis to strike illegal deals to secure visas. And that means the education market has created its own niche labour market of jobs staffed solely by migrants: bottle stores, horticulture, gas station nightshifts.

It has even created its own sector of commerce: tiny bottle stores that wouldn’t otherwise exist. McClymont has seen the balance sheets of some and he says a typical gross profit of $80,000 a year is returned only because of cheap or unpaid labour and employee “premiums”. Run straight, they would only break even.

The blame
“I think I can blame my own community, but most of the blame I give to the Government,” says Harman Singh, who alleges that for years he was exploited by a fellow Punjabi, bottle store owner Ravi Arora.

“Every student who comes from overseas spends 30 grand on their studies – and nobody is going to spend that if they’re not going to get residency at the end.”

Both he and Bhavdeep Singh, who’ve taken employment court actions against their former employers, are angry that the residency rules keep changing, pushing the dream further away.

While the present Government has attempted rule changes to make exploitation more difficult, it has continued promoting a pathway to residency that for many, doesn’t realistically exist.

McClymont says if you get a job with a good employer with a good corporate structure and values, the sort that often goes disregarded by our immigration rules, then “100 per cent without doubt, you will be a successful migrant”.

The government itself says 40 per cent of the liquor store industry is breaking the rules but seems reluctant to address it specifically.

It could increase the number of labour inspectors; prevent mediated settlements between exploiter and exploited containing confidentiality clauses; increase sanctions against the exploiters; and use banning orders more often.

The Alcohol Regulatory and Licensing Authority made a decision in 2018 which declared that exploiting your workers doesn’t make someone unsuitable to hold an alcohol licence. That decision, to date, has made removing liquor licences from exploitative owners difficult.

Then there are offshore education agents, which the government could require to be licensed. It could also make course providers in New Zealand do more to prove their worth.

Beyond the Government’s control are the suppliers to exploitative bottle store owners. They could refuse to sell to these stores. Of course, there will likely always be another supplier with less of a moral conscience, but it would at least make matters more difficult.

To shut the door entirely to these students would cost the country billions, says McClymont.

“But if you’re going to promote a pathway to residency, then have a genuine pathway to residency, rather than one where you have to be exploited.”

Without changes, the 5607 Indian students who arrived in 2019 will have just as sad a story to tell about their Kiwi experience as their predecessors.

“If the [Government] are taking in students, they have to think of their futures too – not just the money you are taking from them,” says Bhavdeep Singh. “If you can’t afford to settle that many students, why are you taking them in?”

The only difference to Australia is that it is worse, much more widespread and across a variety of cultural groups.
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