So let's talk abortion, from a man's perspective...

St. Thomas Aquinas proved through exhaustive logic that God must exist and be Good...because He doesn't pull our legs and arms off like a kid does to a fly

Abortion, for those that don't know, is performed my pulling the legs and arms off and ripping the body to pieces.

and...
noup....
that would be programing.....
that what you see as "god"...
it is not a "god"....elohim is plural aka multiple of them....
god=singular...elohim =plural....
it might be that that what we were thought it is god is/were just a "extraterrestrials"....
and even those do know about some higher truths....

and just to add....
we were not his- Anus creation(reptilians)....
not even by those that came before them....

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The pentagram itself is not an evil symbol. It was used at one time for early Christianity as the Star of Bethlehem. It's a protective symbol, but it would become profane if painted in the blood of an innocent.

Would be nice if we only had sex with people that we were willing to raise children with, but we all know that doesn't happen. Looking back on my life there's a lot of people I wouldn't have sex with if I knew what I knew now.

It does seem unfair to me that a man is forced to support children until adulthood without choice, and that the woman holds all decision in the matter.

What if a man could decide he wanted a child, and by law be compelled to support the woman until childbirth, at which time he receives all rights to the child and she forfeits them. Likewise if a single woman decides to have a child and the man wants abortion, he would forfeit all rights to the child and she would get no child support.

You don't stand in judgement for other peoples actions.

You will answer to God for your actions.

In your example (bolded) above, if a woman doesn't tell her husband/boyfriend that she's having an abortion, and then goes forward with the abortion, then she alone will answer for her actions.

If she tells the husband/boyfriend that she wants an abortion, and the two of them agree to an abortion, then BOTH of them will answer to God for that action.

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Man and woman do become one flesh in the eyes of God, however both must choose this and if one leaves the union, there is ALWAYS damage to both souls.

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With it being so difficult for families wanting to adopt babies here in the United States, these families are going to foreign countries to adopt babies. I'm surprised these groups of people aren't standing outside Planned Parenthood clinics with signs offering to adopt the baby.

I have known several people who adopted overseas. They say the reason they did it is because it is easier to get a healthy baby, and because they don't worry about the parents trying to reclaim the baby as much. One woman who adopted two Chinese babies, was single and older and she said adopting from China was really just a matter of money, but it was easier for her to adopt in China. She literally put babies on her credit card.

Hey BRIEF? What do you think of this argument? Thread: Abortion is Murder (My reason inside)

Abortion is Murder (My reason inside)

ANYTHING..... which is growing/developing into a human...... IS a HUMAN


That's it.


If an egg is developing into a human..... then it's a human.


Like... is a 5 year old not a human.... just because it's developing?

I think the father should have some say in the matter, too. If the father doesn't want it either, then give the baby for adoption. Yes, it is on the woman to carry the baby. It is also up to the woman to decide to have sex (besides rape). You shouldn't be having sex if you can't deal with the possible result.

My daughter got pregnant very young. She was born with a heart condition. We thought about abortion because we were so afraid for her life. Actually, being so young worked in her favor according to her doctor. Being a teenager enabled her to handle the pregnancy much better than being in her 20s.

With good medical care from seeing a specialist 90 minutes away once a week, she was able to have the baby safely. We are so glad it worked out, because she can never have another. It was hard financially, but we always figured a way to find the money.

The baby is now 8 years old and the most beautiful thing in our life. If I think back to when I thought of aborting her, I feel so guilty!

I also want to say that at least in the case of young mothers, the family needs to step up in these situations. We took responsibility for our daughter's actions and for the baby. We helped raise the baby while our daughter and the father finished high school.

We are lucky in that he is a good man. They are now married. Even though, our daughter made a bad decision in having sex so young, she chose the right man,

:red_heart:

It's pointless. Give men all the say in the world and it still won't change a thing. They'll never have final say.

Many blessings to your precious baby!

My baby sister had a baby in her teens, too... baby is 12-years-old. It’s was a great deal for all of us cuz she was the baby one...she was my precious little princess.

The baby and I shared the same first name. I loved that baby with all my heart, is like one of my own. I helped her and the baby as I could.

She finished high school and went to college. She makes enough money to support her baby without complaining of only getting $180 monthly for child support from the baby’s father.

I’m so proud of my little sister, admire her courage and strength...she’s my hero!

wear a condom next time

This is the only solution men have any say in. Unless you actually don't give a shit about kids either way.

My dear friend, you speak in terms of logic while infusing intellectual discourse. But, unfortunately, that is not what the framework of abortion is even about--logic; right and wrong, nor even "women's rights". Its purpose (abortion) is about population parameters and eugenics.

The whole impetus, motivation around abortion is strictly eugenics and population control. Why it will never be overturned, ever.

I love scrounging thrift shops and flea markets for old books. I found one that really is disturbing, it is called, "The Intimate Life/ Intimate Life of Individual Family & Race, Sex Morality", by WINFIELD SCOTT HALL, MS, M.D, PH.D
written in 1926.

It is the black book of how to properly discriminate against those deemed unworthy of peopling our world with their seed.

I have never seen such offensive diatribe in my life, but there it is page after page.

Animals are known to do that. It is an instinct bred I to them. The weak and deformed would not survive in the wild.
Those are animals.

Same as those who abort their children.

What is to keep a woman from saying she doesn't know who the father is or have a male friend say he's the father and give consent?
I was adopted. There was no father on record as she lied and said she didn't know who it was. She did know. Some women are sneaky and lairs. Not all of us, but some.

But the fathers need to be notified and given a chance.

That's fair!

I think you have to go much deeper than this. It is my belief that if a society has the correct respect and reverence for all Life and supports it then there would never be abortions, murders or suicides.

The fact is, there is not the correct support in place for many women and sometimes they feel abortion is their only choice.

I do agree with you however that the man should be told if a woman is pregnant with his child and should have a say in what happens from there on out.

However, as many women will attest, there are some arsehole men out there who just don't give a shit and don't take responsibility.

Why isnt it a mans choice?
He gave his seed.
She can choose?
But the man cant?

Possession is 9/10 the law?

Not just sons, I always taught my daughters not to be lowlifes and to never settle for less than a quality man. They would never even consider an abortion and know that I'm always willing to help. If one of them somehow made a mistake and got pregnant that doesn't mean the baby is a mistake.

Meh.

Women can bring you into life, or not.

We have the power to make that choice, just the way it is. You don't.

I'm not uber pro-choice or anything but miscarriages happen regularly, abortion is kind of part of the natural way of things. It's ultimately a woman's choice, even if she makes the wrong one.

she's choosing not to carry a baby for 9 months that will permanently scar and stretch her body. And then she's choosing not to nurse that baby for another year (babies feed every few hours early) and then she's choosing not to raise the baby for the rest of the baby's life --- because why should she expect the man to stay around?

LOL that this is even a thread.

Ummm, how small is your cock? No way I could pull that off. Pat McCrotch might be able to though.

I'm so anti #metoo but threads like this just make me roll my eyes and wonder if I should convert.

You can beat that drum all you want, and it won't mean a damn thing. Both men and women are genetically programmed to desire sex, regardless of marital status.

People are going to have sex, and sometimes (and this is more societal than anything else) "unwanted" pregnancies. It's going to happen, no matter how much abstinence training or whatever to prevent it. Unwanted pregnancies are going to happen even with contraception.

This is just a fact, you can't wish it away.

To your other point: if "30 seconds of a man getting off" equates to gov't enforced child support (even in cases where the woman lied that she was on birth control) and other responsibilities, then it should also equate to the male having a say in whether a child is aborted or not. If it's a 2 way street, then it's a 2 way street.

To the OP: lets all be honest here...there are shit bag men in the world. But there's also lots of shit bag women as well, and the title of "mother" does not give them some other worldly power about caring for their child, born or unborn. There a lots and lots of really bad moms out there. The happenstance of a woman being pregnant does not make her the only expert or valid opinion in the world on that child.

I'm not against abortion under certain circumstances, and if both mother and father agree to an abortion of their own volition, then I see no reason for a gov't agency or priest or bible thumper neighbor to say otherwise. However, the decision needs to be made early on. The idea of late term abortion sickens me to the core and frankly if a woman waits 7, 8, or 9 months to make that decision and has to go to a "back alley" to get it done, then so be it. She bears the consequences that come from her choices.

Not buying it.

If you value your babies you don’t leave them lying around in the wombs of random strangers.