So let's talk abortion, from a man's perspective...

I happen to intimately know the woman I was married to for almost a decade and had three children with, starting when she was in high school and had to move to a public school...pregnant girls can't go to Catholic schools...

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How do you justify its only the man’s orgasm and not the act of two people?

As you point out, two people are involved, shouldn’t both take responsibility, shouldn’t both be part of the decision, shouldn’t both prevent pregnancy if it’s unwanted?

That’s equality, woman have the same choices men do


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Education as prevention, adoption as a solution.

some risk and it has happened that the woman went through with it and left the decision to God not men
these women are called saints

These are some horseshit generalizations.

Lots of men don't fight for their kids in court because they get told by their lawyer, flat out, that they are going to lose. The laws for custody and parenting in most states are still extremely slanted towards the mother. The mothers use this to their advantage to get as much custody as possible so their child support check is bigger.

I'm not defending all men, cause there are lots of assholes out there.

However, just because there are assholes who want nothing to do with their offspring for whatever reason, doesn't mean that the men who do shouldn't get that choice.

spirituality and God as prevention
solution truly understanding that the above is the solution...if you are pregnant its because that child chose you and chose to come through you

and is a gift from God to you

Thank you for the video my dear Brief...

Babies are my weakness...they’re the true image of OUR FATHER!

Orgasm is irrelevant to conception. Read the thread and you'll see where I stand.

BRIEF is the living embodiment of this song


Isn't that right? :DDD


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As I read the posts here, many of you assume that a woman aborts because she does not want the child, as I have tried to explain, there are a lot of factors that go into this decision to main one being the condemnation of society.

The other hypocritical factor of those on the right are that they are also the same people who are totally against any sort of welfare and condemn those who did have those 6 children and cannot afford them.

As for myself, somehow I managed to pay for rent, food, diapers and childcare on my $8 hr job in the 80's without help from the government. I did not qualify for any sort of assistance. Of course the government did go after me with both barrels when I failed to pay income tax one year after they changed the laws concerning deductibles.

I never married. I never had another child. A child for a single woman will limit her future.

Unfortunately, false rape accusations would go way up and many women would use that as an excuse to deny would-be Dads the right to have a say in what happens to the developing child.

you speak a lot of truth.. little story,

best friend went through divorce several years ago, the mother so desperate to cut him out of the daughter's life claimed he molested her.

I know this guy so well, his whole family, and didn't believe it.

short story he got the best lawyer he could find, in fact at one point he had 3 lawyers, one which was a criminal lawyer..

he got full access that he wanted but it cost him $75k to do it though.

no woman no kids for me...i am sure in this claim....

this world is disgusting....

That's one of the facets of education, the education of the soul...yes we choose our parents in most cases, some just catch the first ride in...

The Family court system is a MAJOR for profit criminal enterprise..

Human Trafficking.. Coercion.. Extortion... Treason generally

I think WAY more men would stick around were it not for the gestapo tactics.

Maternal mortality varies from country to country and even region to region, with factors such as income, race, and medical insurance playing a HUGE role. Currently, the United States has the worst maternal mortality rate in the developed world - a rate that has increased by 50 percent in recent years.

"In 1990, about 17 maternal deaths were recorded for every 100,000 pregnant women in the United States. While relatively rare, this number has risen steadily over the last 25 years, indicating a worsening safety problem. In 2015, more than 26 deaths were recorded per 100,000 pregnant women. This means that compared with their own mothers, American women today are 50% more likely to die in childbirth. And the risk is consistently three to four times higher for black women than white women, irrespective of income or education."

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While 26 deaths per 100,000 may seem low, the fact of the matter is that it's like a game of Russian roulette. I watched my own perfectly healthy sister almost lose her life when she developed full-blown eclampsia at 30 weeks with her first baby. Until that point, she'd had no problems at all. Then, at a routine checkup it was found that her BP was 200/140 and her organs were beginning to fail. Fortunately, both she and my nephew survived (he was in the NICU for weeks), but it very easily could have gone the other way.

Of course, throughout the entire emergency she was telling the hospital staff to save her baby if it came down to a choice, but I shudder to think of a world where that decision would have been made by the state, where she may have been forced to sacrifice her life against her will.

When it comes to reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies, I'm way ahead of you. I believe that the gestating woman in question should have the ultimate authority when it comes to whether or not to gestate a pregnancy, but I'm not stupid. I realize that every abortion results in a human life that is cut short. I would MUCH rather see unwanted pregnancies prevented than aborted.

Restricting abortion access doesn't prevent unwanted pregnancies, though. Accurate, scientifically-based sex education and access to inexpensive contraception prevent unwanted pregnancies. I am all for ensuring that all people of reproductive age have access to both. Colorado rolled out a massive sex-ed initiative and access to low-cost (and even free) IUDs, and their teen pregnancy rate plummeted.

I don't believe that every unwanted child would be guaranteed a good, loving home even with the best of efforts if abortion were 100 percent banned, tho. Today, on any given day, about 500,000 American children are in foster care. When we whittle that number to zero, we can have a legitimate conversation about how all of the unwanted, aborted fetuses would have been adopted into loving homes if they'd just been gestated.

Finally, I agree with the state that once a fetus becomes a child it is entitled to be supported by the people that conceived it. I don't know how anyone could possibly call themselves pro-life and argue that a genetic father shouldn't have an obligation to financially provide for his spawn once it's born (while at the same time arguing that its genetic mother should have to risk her life to bring it into the world whether she wants to or not). Once a kid is born, it's a person. So yeah, if you father a child during a one-night stand you should be on the hook to pay for it whether you wanted it gestated or not.

600 new animal species added to endangered list....

HUMANS DID IT!

Thank you Amanda Lee for your prespective. Please allow me to defend my position. I was 28 years old when I got pregnant. Many of the men I dated were already divorced with children and did not want more. Some even allowed those children to be adopted by the step father because they did not want responsiblity. Did society required them to abstain or judge them because did not want children? No.

The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. I like men and I like sex. I assure you that I told more men no than I told men yes. Would you have me do without sex altogether? Could you live your life without sex? As far as spirituallity, though I am not Catholic, the Church does not even believe in contraceptives. How many of you use some sort of contraception? If you do, you are acting against God's will according to the Church.

All I mean to say, is that you have no right to judge others and their decisions. You have no right to make that decision for them. What you can do is be supportive and offer alternatives. Put Adoption representatives in Planned Parenthood. Offer a home and assistance through the pregnancy. Be supportive and kind to unwed mothers. Don't call them whores. Provide assistance to those who carried that child for nine months and cannot give them away never knowing what happens to them. KIndness and supportiveness will go farther than you can possibly imagine. That is what Amanda is trying to say.

Dont worry God has the final say in the matter

he sends a plague upon all those that murder their children

I am anti-abortion.

I do not agree that 30 seconds of a man getting off equates to motherhood, pregnancy, labor and responsibility.

Our eggs and our seed are the most valuable treasure we possess yet we don't guard it like a valuable treasure and dole it out like it was nothing. Both men and women need to quit sleeping around with every Tom, Dick, Harry and Mary and Teri. Make wise choices. There is a reason that marriage should come before children and it's a good one. Once things are done in proper order, then your emission counts.

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ABORTION PROVEN TO BE MURDER UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW

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Dude their main talking point for labour abortion is Anecephaly. It is literally 100% detectable in the 2nd trimester and can be detected in the first 8 weeks.
They are misleading people.

Thank you Elise for your courage to express your opinion. I would like to point out that many businesses are allowed to not provide insurance benenfits for contraceptives. That means that money is out of pocket. I don't know if their Health Savings accounts can be used to pay for it or if it counts towards their deductable. Once again, other are allowed to force their opinions on others.

I would also like to point out that contraceptives and other female health services are availible at Planned Parenthood at a reduced rate.

Also, some women are unable to take birth control pills. Some pills have been proven to have side affects that damage a woman's health and lawssuits have been awared. The pills work by tricking the body into thinking it is pregnant. IUD's are not safe. They prevent the fetus from implanting into the uterus. In that case the baby has been concieved but cannot implant. The morning after pills causes the body to expell the fetus. Condoms provide a very useful tool for prevention though they are not 100% effective, yet, many men refuse to use them.

The ego of men and women.

It is not a mans child

It is not a womans child

It is its own person, a life.
If anything it is gods child

I dont know who thought it was a good idea to slaughter the unborn, but mayan sacrifice has nothing on this society

How can it be anything other than a sacrifice of innocents to mock God. He clearly states than hurting a child is the worst sin you can commit. May as well go ahead and reject Jesus and the Trinity while you're at it and paint pentagrams on your walls in the blood of your sacrifice.

You want to know what I would like to see. I would like to see a burial for the aborted fetuses and for stillborns.

I once saw a 5 months old stillborn. The mother signed for disposal of fetal remains by the lab. He looked like a little minature baby. The nurses in L&D dressed him, put him in a blanket and then in a shoebox before sending him down to the lab. We would have put him in the freezer in the morgue. After that, he would have gone into biohazard waste for disposal.

My Pathologist had one child aborted. He has since changed his mind on abortion. After seeing this stillborn, it is the one thing that could change my mind. I respect the fact that the majority are against abortion. I try to remain silent on the subject, because, morally, you are right. It is just that you need to understand why this happens and to not condemn those who know they are unable to care for an unwanted child.

Please, please, please people, this is one area where you can make a difference. Please, provide for burial, not disposal.

“Your children are not your children.
They are sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you.
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.

You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For thir souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.
You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth.
The archer sees the make upon the path of the infinite, and He bends you with His might that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness.
For even as He loves the arrow that flies, so He also loves the bow that is stable.”
- Kahlil Gibran

Last Edited by Forever.the.Student on 02/01/2019 12:59 PM

read little better about that in bible....
like...jericho...or egypt...or flood....

Only the creator has the right to kill or allow killing, we are His creation and His will...