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So let's talk abortion, from a man's perspective...

 
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Children's rights are human rights for children. The 1989 Convention on the Rights of the Child is a treaty that recognizes specific rights for children. Human rights are basic standards to which every person is entitled, to survive and develop in dignity. ... Children have these rights, too.

as far as I am concerned a child's rights comes first and the law has the right to protect them first above and beyond the parents
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I definitely agree that men should have a say as well because babies don't happen unless a man and a woman come together in the physical. And I don't think there should be ANY abortion at all. Ever. Whatever happened to bring about a baby is NOT the baby's fault.

But, what about a man that forces/coerces a woman to abort a baby?

I've seen men do that. Mostly because they don't want to take the responsibility of raising a child and paying for the child's care.

My point here is that isn't always on the woman alone. And people, men in particular, are often too happy to call a woman a whore when that is not always the case. Plenty of man whores out there.

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Rape always comes up.

The responsibility a woman has, as a host, is like any other in life, it's simply a reality.

Murder is always wrong

Killing in self-defense is reasonable
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Is that rape?


: l
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ohyeah
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Yah... but like.... the sex is consenting?


Like.... say the woman was really drunk.... but she wanted sex.... and the man purposeful didn't wear a condom


That's rape? : l

Or is it just being a retarded asshole
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I never wear a rubber, but I never lie about it either.

If you both agreed you would wear the rubber and you slipped it off, then I could argue it's rape...date rape
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I definitely agree that men should have a say as well because babies don't happen unless a man and a woman come together in the physical. And I don't think there should be ANY abortion at all. Ever. Whatever happened to bring about a baby is NOT the baby's fault.

But, what about a man that forces/coerces a woman to abort a baby?

I've seen men do that. Mostly because they don't want to take the responsibility of raising a child and paying for the child's care.

My point here is that isn't always on the woman alone. And people, men in particular, are often too happy to call a woman a whore when that is not always the case. Plenty of man whores out there.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


Ok

But what if a woman and man have consensual sex

But the woman is really drunk


And the man purposefully impregnates her without her knowing.......



And she gets an abortion



Is that ok or not ok?
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Is that rape?


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ohyeah
 Quoting: BRIEF


Yah... but like.... the sex is consenting?


Like.... say the woman was really drunk.... but she wanted sex.... and the man purposeful didn't wear a condom


That's rape? : l

Or is it just being a retarded asshole
 Quoting: Trump 20-every


I never wear a rubber, but I never lie about it either.

If you both agreed you would wear the rubber and you slipped it off, then I could argue it's rape...date rape
 Quoting: BRIEF


I see.

Thank you


That wasn't me btw :P
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I definitely agree that men should have a say as well because babies don't happen unless a man and a woman come together in the physical. And I don't think there should be ANY abortion at all. Ever. Whatever happened to bring about a baby is NOT the baby's fault.

But, what about a man that forces/coerces a woman to abort a baby?

I've seen men do that. Mostly because they don't want to take the responsibility of raising a child and paying for the child's care.

My point here is that isn't always on the woman alone. And people, men in particular, are often too happy to call a woman a whore when that is not always the case. Plenty of man whores out there.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


Life is full of hard choices, especially when there is one partner unwilling to be responsible, but that just makes doing the right thing harder. Life isn't always fair. Maybe next time get to know your partner better, or consider yourself raped.
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It's my emission;You need permission

In the day and age of equal rights, why do men NOT have a say when women kill their babies?

I know the woman's body is her right, when she is not a host.

When a woman spreads her legs for a man, and willingly accepts his seed, whether or not THEY took steps to prevent conception, she then becomes responsible for potential life that is a result.

There is no denying this logic

At the very least, the man should be given opportunity to take responsibility if the woman doesn't want the child.

I'm glad all my children were born and are happy, instead of being murdered by their mother...
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I definitely agree that men should have a say as well because babies don't happen unless a man and a woman come together in the physical. And I don't think there should be ANY abortion at all. Ever. Whatever happened to bring about a baby is NOT the baby's fault.

But, what about a man that forces/coerces a woman to abort a baby?

I've seen men do that. Mostly because they don't want to take the responsibility of raising a child and paying for the child's care.

My point here is that isn't always on the woman alone. And people, men in particular, are often too happy to call a woman a whore when that is not always the case. Plenty of man whores out there.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


Ok

But what if a woman and man have consensual sex

But the woman is really drunk


And the man purposefully impregnates her without her knowing.......

And she gets an abortion

Is that ok or not ok?
 Quoting: Trump 20-every


It's still not okay to kill a baby because the parents were stupid.

Last Edited by Fluffy Pancakes on 02/01/2019 08:44 AM
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well the baby is as much his DNA as hers, so it is his flesh and blood
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ohyeah
 Quoting: BRIEF


Yah... but like.... the sex is consenting?


Like.... say the woman was really drunk.... but she wanted sex.... and the man purposeful didn't wear a condom


That's rape? : l

Or is it just being a retarded asshole
 Quoting: Trump 20-every


I never wear a rubber, but I never lie about it either.

If you both agreed you would wear the rubber and you slipped it off, then I could argue it's rape...date rape
 Quoting: BRIEF


I see.

Thank you


That wasn't me btw :P
 Quoting: Trump 20-every


I see, a friend wink wink
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Re: So let's talk abortion, from a man's perspective...
I definitely agree that men should have a say as well because babies don't happen unless a man and a woman come together in the physical. And I don't think there should be ANY abortion at all. Ever. Whatever happened to bring about a baby is NOT the baby's fault.

But, what about a man that forces/coerces a woman to abort a baby?

I've seen men do that. Mostly because they don't want to take the responsibility of raising a child and paying for the child's care.

My point here is that isn't always on the woman alone. And people, men in particular, are often too happy to call a woman a whore when that is not always the case. Plenty of man whores out there.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


Ok

But what if a woman and man have consensual sex

But the woman is really drunk


And the man purposefully impregnates her without her knowing.......

And she gets an abortion

Is that ok or not ok?
 Quoting: Trump 20-every


It's still not okay to kill a baby because the parents were stupid.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


Bunch of drunks... seriously >:(
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I definitely agree that men should have a say as well because babies don't happen unless a man and a woman come together in the physical. And I don't think there should be ANY abortion at all. Ever. Whatever happened to bring about a baby is NOT the baby's fault.

But, what about a man that forces/coerces a woman to abort a baby?

I've seen men do that. Mostly because they don't want to take the responsibility of raising a child and paying for the child's care.

My point here is that isn't always on the woman alone. And people, men in particular, are often too happy to call a woman a whore when that is not always the case. Plenty of man whores out there.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


Life is full of hard choices, especially when there is one partner unwilling to be responsible, but that just makes doing the right thing harder. Life isn't always fair. Maybe next time get to know your partner better, or consider yourself raped.
 Quoting: BRIEF


And if she considers herself raped, do you think abortion is okay? I know it sounds very hard core, but I don't agree that rape allows one to kill the innocent child.

The sad thing in that scenario, which I am not saying is the most common scenario, is a young woman in that position often tries to kill herself afterwards.
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Most life has only one purpose in its design. That is the reproduce and propagate. Everything in its design is perfected to make that happen. Even to the point of certain death as a result of the reproductive process.

The fruit from the tree of knowledge is to reason away from the simple standard of the ways and means of the Universe.

First and foremost communications from the Creator to Man is to go forth and multiply. FIRST for a reason. Everything else is secondary.
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I definitely agree that men should have a say as well because babies don't happen unless a man and a woman come together in the physical. And I don't think there should be ANY abortion at all. Ever. Whatever happened to bring about a baby is NOT the baby's fault.

But, what about a man that forces/coerces a woman to abort a baby?

I've seen men do that. Mostly because they don't want to take the responsibility of raising a child and paying for the child's care.

My point here is that isn't always on the woman alone. And people, men in particular, are often too happy to call a woman a whore when that is not always the case. Plenty of man whores out there.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


Life is full of hard choices, especially when there is one partner unwilling to be responsible, but that just makes doing the right thing harder. Life isn't always fair. Maybe next time get to know your partner better, or consider yourself raped.
 Quoting: BRIEF


And if she considers herself raped, do you think abortion is okay? I know it sounds very hard core, but I don't agree that rape allows one to kill the innocent child.

The sad thing in that scenario, which I am not saying is the most common scenario, is a young woman in that position often tries to kill herself afterwards.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


Again, hard choices. Murder is always wrong. When people become suicidal we put them in a hospital to help them deal with their reality. Murder is not the answer to suicide prevention.
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Honestly guys.... I don't think a woman should ever be forced to be a mother


If she decides to kill a new born baby..... she'll have to live with it
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Children's rights are human rights for children. The 1989 Convention on the Rights of the Child is a treaty that recognizes specific rights for children. Human rights are basic standards to which every person is entitled, to survive and develop in dignity. ... Children have these rights, too.

as far as I am concerned a child's rights comes first and the law has the right to protect them first above and beyond the parents
 Quoting: Sept2019


Science proves that a single sperm cell penetrates the egg and becomes a human...all the names like "zygote" and "embryo" are stages of life, just as toddler and adolescent are stages of life...we call the last stage of life the Elderly.
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It's extremely disturbing that women feel that because the child is dependant on their body for life it is their right to kill it.

Makes absolutely no sense. Either mother or father can decide and the dad should have 50% of right to raise that child if the mother decides she does not want it.
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Honestly guys.... I don't think a woman should ever be forced to be a mother


If she decides to kill a new born baby..... she'll have to live with it
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too late

when you become pregnant you are a mother
you cant fix life

it has the right to exist beyond the mental instability of that mother

not to mention women have major hormonal shifts during that time
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What if the man slips his seed into her without her knowing?


Can she then abort it?
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No. The baby had nothing to do with it. An innocent. Now, I’d be all for a law that allowed the mother to take part in aborting the rapist though.
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Yeah, I agree with you too Brief.

Not a lot of real men these days I guess.
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Nice, get to show her the wonders of nature during a walk in the woods.
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Honestly guys.... I don't think a woman should ever be forced to be a mother


If she decides to kill a new born baby..... she'll have to live with it
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The same logic can be applied to my parents, neighbors, cousins...
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Honestly guys.... I don't think a woman should ever be forced to be a mother


If she decides to kill a new born baby..... she'll have to live with it
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Umm

I mean..... :P



I have to re-say that



Wow... this really is a thought provoking topic



I'm not sure
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Honestly guys.... I don't think a woman should ever be forced to be a mother


If she decides to kill a new born baby..... she'll have to live with it
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The same logic can be applied to my parents, neighbors, cousins...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Yeah.... one thing just leads to another in this whole thing
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Honestly guys.... I don't think a woman should ever be forced to be a mother


If she decides to kill a new born baby..... she'll have to live with it
 Quoting: Trump 20-every


She'll have to stand before GOD for it.

What you think on the matter is irreverent.
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Guys. I have the solution!

NO RECREATIONAL SEX

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This time, Brief, I agree with you.
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Honestly guys.... I don't think a woman should ever be forced to be a mother


If she decides to kill a new born baby..... she'll have to live with it
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She'll have to stand before GOD for it.

What you think on the matter is irreverent.
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so will the father stand before God not just the mother both
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This time, Brief, I agree with you.
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This time, my Lady, you are right flowas
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