The Brass Kingdom, Rome included

The 'he' in the verse below is God, the same mentioned in association with covenants at the start of the 70 weeks passage. Mid week was the cross and Acts:10 was 3 1/2 years later.Prior to that Stephen was killed, the blood sacrifices continued and the money-changers returned. The consummation is the scattering mentioned in De:4:30 and the scattering associated with it. The consummation would be when Jesus says, 'It is finished.' as He pours out the 7th vial and the next event is the resurrection that happen as Re:10 unfolds as that is associated with Re:20:4.

Da:9:27:
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
even until the consummation,
and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Da:9:4:
And I prayed unto the LORD my God,
and made my confession,
and said,
O Lord,
the great and dreadful God,
keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him,
and to them that keep his commandments;

Da:8:18-23:
Now as he was speaking with me,
I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground:
but he touched me,
and set me upright.
And he said,
Behold,
I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation:
for at the time appointed the end shall be.
he ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
And the rough goat is the king of Grecia:
and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Now that being broken,
whereas four stood up for it,
four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation,
but not in his power.
And in the latter time of their kingdom,
when the transgressors are come to the full,
a king of fierce countenance,
and understanding dark sentences,
shall stand up.

The first and last verse in the selection below takes place at the start of Re:11 and the start of the 1260 days the two witnesses are active and the last verse is also for that same place. The 12 in between are for the Apostles and their stay in Jerusalem until 70AD. 70AD was the time the temple in Re:4 became the active way to repent your sins. Saying the Lord's Prayer will get your prayers heard as they rise as vapor from the altar. Daniel used the same method when he was in exile in Neb's Babylon. The list of things given in the 70 weeks verses should have been experienced during that time. If not the rest of the NT would also be just as valid.

Lu:21:11-25:
And great earthquakes shall be in divers places,
and famines,
and pestilences;
and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

But before all these,
they shall lay their hands on you,
and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues,
and into prisons,
being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
And it shall turn to
you for a testimony.
Settle it therefore in your hearts,
not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
or I will give you a mouth and wisdom,
which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
And ye shall be betrayed both by parents,
and brethren,
and kinsfolks,
and friends;
and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
In your patience possess ye your souls.
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies,
then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains;
and let them which are in the midst of it depart out;
and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
For these be the days of vengeance,
that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
But woe unto them that are with child,
and to them that give suck,
in those days!
for there shall be great distress in the land,
and wrath upon this people.
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword,
and shall be led away captive into all nations:
and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,
until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

And there shall be signs in the sun,
and in the moon,
and in the stars;
and upon the earth distress of nations,
with perplexity;
the sea and the waves roaring;

Re:11:1-3:
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod:
and the angel stood,
saying,
Rise,
and measure the temple of God,
and the altar,
and them that worship therein.
But the court which is without the temple leave out,
and measure it not;
for it is given unto the Gentiles:
and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days,
clothed in sackcloth.

OP, you seem VERY knowledgeable!

Hats off to you.

I just want to clarify one thing - not to you, as I’m sure you know this, but concerning Rome (I study Ancient Rome, like, A LOT).

Just wanted to jump in and say that during Roman occupation, the RCC was several hundred years away. The Romans would let their subjugated territories to worship whichever gods they chose. They really only cared about keeping law and order, and of course that their subjects payed taxes. When Jesus walked and was handed over as a criminal, the Romans treated Him with the same degree of justice that any criminal would have gotten.

With Passover coming up these next few posts cover the literalist version in more detail. There are so many differences there is no way to shorten it up any more than this, the good news is you will hopefully only have to read it once.
In no particular order:
The 3 examples I'm going to reference will end up showing that visions are in mystical language but when combined with an explanation the outlook is a literal event is going to take place. Jesus literally died, death for a fallen angels is something that is resisted as much as possible. The outcome was predetermined before the beginning began and it is the most talked about event in the book so there is no shortage of material that needs to be considered before a judgement is made.

Da:2 is the vision about 4 metal kingdoms and the explanation that came with it. Reading the vision alone is like looking at a colorful picture but when combined with the right amount of text the vision takes on a deeper meaning when read again.

The 2nd example is Da:7 and the 4th beast most of all, the 3rd example is Re:17. Both chapters cover the same elements so that is also the best connection to make when showing that Revelations covers the change over as Da:11 ends with the 3rd woe starting and then just a few verses at the start of Da:12 to finish off what Daniel was told about the last kingdom.

Da:2:30-45:
But as for me,
this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living,
but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king,
and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.
Thou,
O king,
sawest,
and behold a great image.
This great image,
whose brightness was excellent,
stood before thee;
and the form thereof was terrible.
This image's head was of fine gold,
his breast and his arms of silver,
his belly and his thighs of brass,
His legs of iron,
his feet part of iron and part of clay.
Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands,
which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay,
and brake them to pieces.
Then was the iron,
the clay, the brass,
the silver,
and the gold,
broken to pieces together,
and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors;
and the wind carried them away,
that no place was found for them:
and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain,
and filled the whole earth.
This is the dream;
and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
Thou,
O king,
art a king of kings:
for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom,
power,
and strength,
and glory.
And wheresoever the children of men dwell,
the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand,
and hath made thee ruler over them all.
Thou art this head of gold.
And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee,
and another third kingdom of brass,
which shall bear rule over all the earth.
And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron:
forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things:
and as iron that breaketh all these,
shall it break in pieces and bruise.
And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes,
part of potters' clay,
and part of iron,
the kingdom shall be divided;
but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron,
forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
And as the toes of the feet were part of iron,
and part of clay,
so the kingdom shall be partly strong,
and partly broken.
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay,
they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men:
but they shall not cleave one to another,
even as iron is not mixed with clay.
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom,
which shall never be destroyed:
and the kingdom shall not be left to other people,
but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms,
and it shall stand for ever.
Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands,
and that it brake in pieces the iron,
the brass,
the clay,
the silver,
and the gold;
the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter:
and the dream is certain,
and the interpretation thereof sure.

Daniel:4,5 and 6 show literalism as it has real people acting out certain parts. Prophecy begins in Da:8 as that starts with Alexander the Great and ends with Gentiles handing over power to two angelic beings that were on the earth acting as kings. Rome's 500 year rule from 50BC to 450AD is in the 'little horn' verses as are all the 70 week ones from Da:9. The transition mentioned at the end of Da:8 is the day the 5th trump sounds. That is also where the kings stand up in Da:11 as that entire chapter is about the 3 1/2 years the 5th and 6th trumps have before the beginning of the 1,000 year reign starts on the day the 7th trump sounds.

The passage ends at Da:12:3 rather than at the end of chapter 11.

Da:7:6: After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

Da:7:7-11:
After this I saw in the night visions,
and behold a fourth beast,
dreadful and terrible,
and strong exceedingly;
and it had great iron teeth:
it devoured and brake in pieces,
and stamped the residue with the feet of it:
and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it;
and it had ten horns.
I considered the horns,
and,
behold,
there came up among them another little horn,
before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots:
and,
behold,
in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man,
and a mouth speaking great things.
I beheld till the thrones were cast down,
and the Ancient of days did sit,
whose garment was white as snow,
and the hair of his head like the pure wool:
his throne was like the fiery flame,
and his wheels as burning fire.
A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him:
thousand thousands ministered unto him,
and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him:
the judgment was set,
and the books were opened.
I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake:
I beheld even till the beast was slain,
and his body destroyed,
and given to the burning flame.

This is referencing the 42 months the Beast from the Pit is given, the reference below is to the beasts Christ invites to feed on the bodies of some sinners. Payback for all the blood sacrifices in the OT. He then puts them to sleep as the judgement coming 1,000 years down the road would have them being sent to to the fiery lake as they do not know the difference between good and evil. He makes a covenant with them that is the last that died because God willed it. The first one was the one God killed to make Adam and Eve some clothes as the exited the Garden. Everything in between down to sparrows will be resurrected as the water from New Jerusalem flows out into the New Earth. Instant Nations with people and other flesh there in abundance and then it slows down to the pace set in Ge:1.

Da:7:12: As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Da:7:13:
I saw in the night visions,
and,
behold,
one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven,
and came to the Ancient of days,
and they brought him near before him.
Da:7:14:
And there was given him dominion,
and glory,
and a kingdom,
that all people,
nations,
and languages,
should serve him:
his dominion is an everlasting dominion,
which shall not pass away,
and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Revelations has several references to how that comes about, Re:19 is the best reference to how the transition takes place

Da:7:15:
I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body,
and the visions of my head troubled me.
Da:7:16:
I came near unto one of them that stood by,
and asked him the truth of all this.
So he told me,
and made me know the interpretation of the things.

Daniel was confused even after the explanation only because The Gospel of John and Revelations was not part of the material the angels gave him.

Da:7:17:
These great beasts,
which are four,
are four kings,
which shall arise out of the earth.
Da:7:18:
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom,
and possess the kingdom for ever,
even for ever and ever.

A reference to the metal kingdoms only 1 king per metal is allowed, Christ acting like He does in Re:11, 16. 19 is the end of the 4th metal kingdom. The animals in Da:7 are covering those 4 and it is referenced in Re:13 as that is also the 4th beast's reign coming true

Da:7:19-22:
Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast,
which was diverse from all the others,
exceeding dreadful,
whose teeth were of iron,
and his nails of brass;
which devoured,
brake in pieces,
and stamped the residue with his feet;
And of the ten horns that were in his head,
and of the other which came up,
and before whom three fell;
even of that horn that had eyes,
and a mouth that spake very great things,
whose look was more stout than his fellows.
I beheld,
and the same horn made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

The saints mentioned are just the two witnesses and the time, times, a dividing of a time is the 3 1/2 days they are in the grave. Another detail that was kept from Daniel

Da:7:23-25:
Thus he said,
The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,
which shall be diverse from all kingdoms,
and shall devour the whole earth,
and shall tread it down,
and break it in pieces.
nd the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise:
and another shall rise after them;
and he shall be diverse from the first,
and he shall subdue three kings.
And he shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and think to change times and laws:
and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The end of Re:11 is how that transition takes place, a longer topic,

Da:7:26:
But the judgment shall sit,
and they shall take away his dominion,
to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Da:7:27:
And the kingdom and dominion,
and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,
shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High,
whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

1,000 year reign stuff as well as the new earth that comes after.

Da:7:28:
Hitherto is the end of the matter.
As for me Daniel,
my cogitations much troubled me,
and my countenance changed in me:
but I kept the matter in my heart.

This also points to the Bible being the work of one author who used 40 Scribes and only the very last one would have seen the big picture for what it really is. Universal salvation in a literal fashion.

The next 1 also references some of the same things and both have to fit in with Da:11 and with all that other references promote

Re:17:1: And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Re:17:2: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Re:17:3-18:
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness:
and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
full of names of blasphemy,
having seven heads and ten horns.
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour,
and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls,
having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
and upon her forehead was a name written,
MYSTERY,
BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints,
and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus:
and when I saw her,
I wondered with great admiration.
And the angel said unto me,
Wherefore didst thou marvel?
I will tell thee the mystery of the woman,
and of the beast that carrieth her,
which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
The beast that thou sawest was,
and is not;
and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit,
and go into perdition:
and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder,
whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world,
when they behold the beast that was,
and is not,
and yet is.
And here is the mind which hath wisdom.
The seven heads are seven mountains,
on which the woman sitteth.
And there are seven kings:
five are fallen,
and one is,
and the other is not yet come;
and when he cometh,
he must continue a short space.
And the beast that was,
and is not, even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven,
and goeth into perdition.
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,
which have received no kingdom as yet;
but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
These have one mind,
and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
These shall make war with the Lamb,
and the Lamb shall overcome them:
for he is Lord of lords,
and King of kings:
and they that are with him are called,
and chosen,
and faithful.
And he saith unto me,
The waters which thou sawest,
where the whore sitteth,
are peoples,
and multitudes,
and nations,
and tongues.
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast,
these shall hate the whore,
and shall make her desolate and naked,
and shall eat her flesh,
and burn her with fire.
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will,
and to agree,
and give their kingdom unto the beast,
until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city,
which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

I hope that is clear as far as the vision is mythical language but the explanation point to a literal act as being the fulfillment. How that fits in needs more references first as it is part of a sequence that unfolds a certain way.

I find it peculiar that some people spend so much time using Numbers, dates, bible verses, astrological signs, eclipses, etc to figure out either the date of the rapture or of revelations, considering Christ himself never suggested doing so, he spoke a way of living righteously.
It might be wise for Christians to spend less time figuring out dates of biblical events and more time spreading righousness in a brotherly manner.

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I tend to go with 'the time of the Gentiles' starting in 70AD is the start of when the same Temple that Daniel's prayers were heard in is where all prayers are heard in until the day the two witnesses die. The time they are in the grave is when Satan sets up a false throne ob holy ground in Jerusalem. They start their testimony the sane time the (NT) Temple is measured and to get in there you have to have repented your sins after saying the Lord's prayer as given in Luke. The 'gap' is the time it takes for the Bible to be published into a book and taken around the globe.
Lu:21:24-25:
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword,
and shall be led away captive into all nations:
and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,
until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
And there shall be signs in the sun,
and in the moon,
and in the stars;
and upon the earth distress of nations,
with perplexity;
the sea and the waves roaring;
Re:11:1-3:
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod:
and the angel stood,
saying,
Rise,
and measure the temple of God,
and the altar,
and them that worship therein.
But the court which is without the temple leave out,
and measure it not;
for it is given unto the Gentiles:
and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days,
clothed in sackcloth.

The post below is helpful in setting the timeline as well as meshing the 3 passages as they are related.

I'm going to promote that Revelations is written in the same format as Daniel in that a prophecy in a vision is given. Da:2 comes with an explanation and following chapters explain the vision in more detail. Revelation uses the trumps as the explanation. The coals from the altar being tossed onto the earth is the first event that is part of the sequence that is set out for the 'latter days' of De:4:30

Re:6:1:
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals,
and I heard,
as it were the noise of thunder,
one of the four beasts saying,
Come and see.

This would be the start of the day that only God knows when it begins. By start that means at the first prophecy that has to unfold to mark the day starting. The additional verse is a companion verse that pretty much eliminates all other explanations. Christ is the angel with the coals. That is the sealing of the 144,000 from the 12 Tribes , the two witnesses and the ones counted as being in the Re:11 Temple.

Isa:49:2:
And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword;
in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me,
and made me a polished shaft;
in his quiver hath he hid me;

Re:6:2:
And I saw,
and behold a white horse:
and he that sat on him had a bow;
and a crown was given unto him:
and he went forth conquering,
and to conquer.

Re:7:2:
And I saw another angel ascending from the east,
having the seal of the living God:
and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels,
to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Re:7:3:
Saying,
Hurt not the earth,
neither the sea,
nor the trees,
till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Re:8:2-6:
And I saw the seven angels which stood before God;
and to them were given seven trumpets.
And another angel came and stood at the altar,
having a golden censer;
and there was given unto him much incense,
that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
And the smoke of the incense,
which came with the prayers of the saints,
ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
And the angel took the censer,
and filled it with fire of the altar,
and cast it into the earth:
and there were voices,
and thunderings,
and lightnings,
and an earthquake.
And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Both the Gentiles in the courtyard and the two witnesses have the same amount of days allotted as 42 months is exactly 1260 days. The beast that kills them starts his 42 months when the 5th trump sounds and the 1260 days is over when the 7th trump sounds and that is on the 4th day after the two witnesses have entered the grave. The points to the first 4 trumps having to sound at the rate of 1 per day for 4 consecutive days and the 5th trump sounds on the 5th day that starts a period of time that runs for 1260 days.
Romans:13 was when Jesus gave the authority to control a sword that was designed to protect the citizens from evil, a red sword is the same sword but it brings evil on the very people it was meant to be protecting

Re:6:3:
And when he had opened the second seal,
I heard the second beast say,
Come and see.
Re:6:4:
And there went out another horse that was red:
and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth,
and that they should kill one another:
and there was given unto him a great sword.

Ro:13:1-4:
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.
For there is no power but of God:
the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power,
resisteth the ordinance of God:
and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works,
but to the evil.
Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power?
do that which is good,
and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good.
But if thou do that which is evil,
be afraid;
for he beareth not the sword in vain:
for he is the minister of God,
a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Re:8:7:
The first angel sounded,
and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood,
and they were cast upon the earth:
and the third part of trees was burnt up,
and all green grass was burnt up.

In a literalist fulfillment that would happen so it was fulfilled by the end of the 4th day. The red sword and the black horse (food) points to Military Law being called on a global scale.


Re:6:5:
And when he had opened the third seal,
I heard the third beast say,
Come and see.
And I beheld,
and lo a black horse;
and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Re:6:6:
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say,
A measure of wheat for a penny,
and three measures of barley for a penny;
and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

That global army surrenders within one four of the 5th trumps sounding and that would be to Satan and the Beast from the PIT, 2 fallen angels that are the iron in Daniel's iron/clay kingdom. The 5th trump is hell on earth for 5 months and the the 37 months (1110 days), death comes to 1/3 of all the people on the planet. The full break-down will be in the 'day of the lord' part. Literalism is still the rule, the 4 fallen angels in the 6th trump manifest into 200M horsemen and their fate is documented quite well

Re:6:7:
And when he had opened the fourth seal,
I heard the voice of the fourth beast say,
Come and see.
Re:6:8:
And I looked,
and behold a pale horse:
and his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him.
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,
to kill with sword,
and with hunger,
and with death,
and with the beasts of the earth.

Re:9:1-12:
And the fifth angel sounded,
and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth:
and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
And he opened the bottomless pit;
and there arose a smoke out of the pit,
as the smoke of a great furnace;
and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth:
and unto them was given power,
as the scorpions of the earth have power.
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth,
neither any green thing,
neither any tree;
but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
And to them it was given that they should not kill them,
but that they should be tormented five months:
and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion,
when he striketh a man.
And in those days shall men seek death,
and shall not find it;
and shall desire to die,
and death shall flee from them.
And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle;
and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold,
and their faces were as the faces of men.
And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
And they had breastplates,
as it were breastplates of iron;
and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
And they had tails like unto scorpions,
and there were stings in their tails:
and their power was to hurt men five months.
And they had a king over them,
which is the angel of the bottomless pit,
whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon,
but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
One woe is past;
and,
behold,
there come two woes more hereafter.

Re:9:13-21:
And the sixth angel sounded,
and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet,
Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
And the four angels were loosed,
which were prepared for an hour,
and a day,
and a month,
and a year,
for to slay the third part of men.
And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand:
and I heard the number of them.
And thus I saw the horses in the vision,
and them that sat on them,
having breastplates of fire,
and of jacinth,
and brimstone:
and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions;
and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
By these three was the third part of men killed,
by the fire,
and by the smoke,
and by the brimstone,
which issued out of their mouths.
For their power is in their mouth,
and in their tails:
for their tails were like unto serpents,
and had heads,
and with them they do hurt.
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands,
that they should not worship devils,
and idols of gold,
and silver,
and brass,
and stone,
and of wood:
which neither can see,
nor hear,
nor walk:
Neither repented they of their murders,
nor of their sorceries,
nor of their fornication,
nor of their thefts.

Re:14:20:
And the winepress was trodden without the city,
and blood came out of the winepress,
even unto the horse bridles,
by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Isa:63:3:
I have trodden the winepress alone;
and of the people there was none with me:
for I will tread them in mine anger,
and trample them in my fury;
and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments,
and I will stain all my raiment.

Eze:39:11-16:
And it shall come to pass in that day,
that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel,
the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea:
and it shall stop the noses of the passengers:
and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude:
and they shall call it The valley of Hamon-gog.
And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them,
that they may cleanse the land.
Yea,
all the people of the land shall bury them;
and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified,
saith the Lord GOD.
And they shall sever out men of continual employment,
passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth,
to cleanse it:
after the end of seven months shall they search.
And the passengers that pass through the land,
when any seeth a man's bone,
then shall he set up a sign by it,
till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamon-gog.
And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah.
Thus shall they cleanse the land.

Re:20:7:
And when the thousand years are expired,
Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Re:20:8:
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth,
Gog and Magog,
to gather them together to battle:
the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.


Re:6:9:
And when he had opened the fifth seal,
I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God,
and for the testimony which they held:
Re:6:10:
And they cried with a loud voice,
saying,
How long,
O Lord,
holy and true,
dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Re:6:11:
And white robes were given unto every one of them;
and it was said unto them,
that they should rest yet for a little season,
until their fellowservants also and their brethren,
that should be killed as they were,
should be fulfilled.

Re:11:7-11:
And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them,
and shall overcome them,
and kill them.
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,
where also our Lord was crucified.
And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half,
and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them,
and make merry,
and shall send gifts one to another;
because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them,
and they stood upon their feet;
and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Re:6:12-17:
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal,
and, lo,
there was a great earthquake;
and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair,
and the moon became as blood;
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth,
even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs,
when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together;
and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
And the kings of the earth,
and the great men,
and the rich men,
and the chief captains,
and the mighty men,
and every bondman,
and every free man,
hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
And said to the mountains and rocks,
Fall on us,
and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne,
and from the wrath of the Lamb:
For the great day of his wrath is come;
and who shall be able to stand?

The 3rd woe is coming when Re:11 ends and the 7 vials are one punishment that is poured on as a collective and it is over in a few hours after it starts. It would be all of Re:16 so I'll skip the expansion part for now.

Re:12:1:
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven;
a woman clothed with the sun,
and the moon under her feet,
and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Re:12:2:
And she being with child cried,
travailing in birth,
and pained to be delivered.

This woman is Eve and the pain mentioned is associated with the pain given by God. The 12 starts are children of hers that have been gathered when Re:12 was written. The 24 Elders are from mankind and their full numbers would have been completed when some OT saints were resurrected and ascended to heaven with Jesus on the morning He was resurrected

Re:12:3:
And there appeared another wonder in heaven;
and behold a great red dragon,
having seven heads and ten horns,
and seven crowns upon his heads.
Re:12:4:
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven,
and did cast them to the earth:
and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered,
for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Ge:6 and the attempt to exterminate 5 fingered people, Noah and family were the last 5 fingered people alive, even the 3 other wives were 6 fingered females.

Re:12:5:
And she brought forth a man child,
who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron:
and her child was caught up unto God,
and to his throne.
Re:12:6:
And the woman fled into the wilderness,
where she hath a place prepared of God,
that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Mary and her father's heritage is given in Luke and it goes back to Adam. John and Jesus have a combined time of 3 1/2 years and their mothers were cousins so that is the same family.

Re:12:7:
And there was war in heaven:
Michael and his angels fought against the dragon;
and the dragon fought and his angels,
Re:12:8:
And prevailed not;
neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Prophecy.
Jude:1:14-16:
And Enoch also,
the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these,
saying,
Behold,
the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
To execute judgment upon all,
and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed,
and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
These are murmurers,
complainers,
walking after their own lusts;
and their mouth speaketh great swelling words,
having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

Historical event.
De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

The Pit is where immortal fallen angels were put and the flood drowned all their children.

Re:12:9:
And the great dragon was cast out,
that old serpent,
called the Devil,
and Satan,
which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth,
and his angels were cast out with him.

Re:9:1:
And the fifth angel sounded,
and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth:
and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Re:12:10:
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,
Now is come salvation,
and strength,
and the kingdom of our God,
and the power of his Christ:
for the accuser of our brethren is cast down,
which accused them before our God day and night.
Re:12:11:
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,
and by the word of their testimony;
and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Death for an angel is being awake in the Pit and in the fiery lake when they are sent there. Satan is sent to the Pit at the return as they have to be sent there before they can be sent to the lake. Hell is a locked cage and that is where men that are sent to hell will be from when Jesus kills them until God unlocks the cage at the Great White Throne event.

Re:12:12:
Therefore rejoice,
ye heavens,
and ye that dwell in them.
Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea!
for the devil is come down unto you,
having great wrath,
because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

There is 42 months (1260 days) between the 5th trump sounding and the 7th trump sounding. The 7 vials are poured out as soon as the 7th trump sounds and within a few hours all sinners are dead.

Re:12:13:
And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth,
he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Re:12:14:
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle,
that she might fly into the wilderness,
into her place,
where she is nourished for a time,
and times,
and half a time,
from the face of the serpent.

This is the 144,000 that are sealed before any trump sounds, along with them are the repented gentiles who are counted as being in the temple, the Re:4 Temple is accessed by saying a prayer, it is the same place Daniel's prayers ended up to be heard by God

Re:12:15:
And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman,
that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Re:12:16:
And the earth helped the woman,
and the earth opened her mouth,
and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Re:12:17:
And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The remnant are the two witnesses alone. They are still in the brass just like Rome was when the 'time of the Gentiles began in 70AD (Luke:21:24) When they die that is when the iron/clay has control of Jerusalem, 4 days later that control is removed as that is the day Jesus returns and by the end of the same day all resurrections have taken place and they and the living go to the Eze:47 river to be glorified rather than ascending to the temple in heaven like Jesus did.

Since the reference material has lots of different passages that add detail to this passage I will try to stick to this chapter alone after stating that this covers the first 2 woes that are all of the 5th and 6th trumps in Re:9 and all of Da:11:2-Da:12:3 as the 3 verses in Da:12 is the end of the passage while the last verse in Da:11 is the end of that reign. The reign is the iron/clay and where the chapter ends is their destruction after the 7th trump sounds the 7 vials are poured out in just a few days.

Each grain of sand represents 1 fallen angel. Eventually they all stand up when Satan has his 'little season' and collectively God sends them all to the fiery lake. Fallen angels share common traits and the law in Re:21 is the immortal beings are under. The glorified body Jesus had when He was with a few followers is the same immortal body that the 1,000 year crowd will have in order to live that long and be judged by to be sinless (Re:21 laws) so they remain alive while fallen angels are sent to eternal torment.

The 7 heads represent the 7 articles in that set of laws and fallen angels break every one of them. Liars are common to all of them. Horns are voices and the crown means they are masters rather than being a minion like the 10 men that worship the Beast are. Their desire is to be worshipped rather than be worshipped. Having a child before the flood didn't turn out at all well for either party. Blasphemy is preaching an opposite meaning to what these terms mean. " fearful, and unbelieving, the abominable, murderers, whoremongers, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars"

Re:13:1:
And I stood upon the sand of the sea,
and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
having seven heads and ten horns,
and upon his horns ten crowns,
and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

The ones below related to Da:7 as that chapter is a summation of the statue in Da:2 and the chapters that expand on the 4 kingdoms. The iron/clay kingdom is the 4th beast in Da:7 and Revelations would reference them as Satan and the Beast from the Pit. Da:11 has them as the north and south kind with the one with the daughter being Satan as he is the red dragon and the daughter is the harlot.

Re:13:2:
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard,
and his feet were as the feet of a bear,
and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power,
and his seat,
and great authority.

Satan is the falling mountain in the 5th trump and the key he is given lets him retrieve one fallen angel that was put in the Pit during the flood. The water killed their children, immortals cannot die by any means other than the fiery lake.
Prophecy.
Jude:1:14:
And Enoch also,
the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these,
saying,
Behold,
the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Historical event.
De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

Jude also tells us their first sin was taking women in marriage. Angels were made less than perfect so to keep any child being born and falling into sin would mean they end up in the fiery lake. To prevent that they are not given in marriage. The heads are the 7 points in the laws as stated above. A bigger part of the program before the flood was the attempt to exterminate all 5-fingered people, Noah and his wife and 3 sons were the last 5-fingered people. The Beast from the Pit was neck deep in that program and when he is loose he picks it up right where he left off.

Re:13:3:
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death;
and his deadly wound was healed:
and all the world wondered after the beast.

Within 1 hours the nations of the world surrenders and he appoints 10 men to head the 10 nations that are revived . The flood was global so the reign they had back then was also global. The system the Giants ran will be reinstated and it will be banking and merchants more or less. Jesus confronted the money-changers two times at Passover.
'They' is the 10 toes in the iron/clay. The 10 men in the vision and explanations in both Da:7 and Re:17 cover the same 10 men. Time, times and 1/2 time is referencing the 3 1/2 days the two witnesses are in the grave. Their exploit in Da:11:32 is their resurrection rather than anything they do in their ministry. Their mission is to protect the holy ground in Jerusalem so a throne cannot be set up until the 3 1/2 days have started. The Beast from the Pit that kills them is in the fiery lake by the end of the day they are resurrected.

Re:13:4:
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:
and they worshipped the beast,
saying,
Who is like unto the beast?
who is able to make war with him?

The 10 men will have 2/3 of all Gentiles as fellow worshipers on the day of the return. The false throne has to also be worshipped and God cuts a fine line for some who break free of the deception when they witness the two witnesses come back to life with their own eyes. If they run fast enough the fire that destroyed Sodom will not catch them before they are past the first horizon.

Re:13:5:
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies;
and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

The two witnesses start their 1260 days when the 1st trump sounds, the Beast that kills then starts his 42 months (1260 days) on the day the 5th trump sounds and his time is up 4 days after he kills them. That tells you the first 4 trumps sounds in 4 days.
This is what Satan and the Beast preach during their time.

Re:13:6:
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God,
to blaspheme his name,
and his tabernacle,
and them that dwell in heaven.

The saints are the remnant of the last woman in Re:12 and that is the two witnesses alone. Moses and Aaron held off an over-powering force with God's help. These two have Christ as their 'back-up'

Re:13:7:
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints,
and to overcome them:
and power was given him over all kindreds,
and tongues,
and nations.

The repented Gentiles and the 144,000 from the 12 Tribes are sealed from anything that can harm them. They are the last woman in Re:12 and they are 'isolated' rather than having any power. Prayers are all they have, it is enough to make them living witnesses.

Re:13:8:
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him,
whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

As soon as the 7 vials kill all sinners Jesus builds a Temple of stone and then the resurrection of Re:20:4 takes place. That is the book that is opened in Re:10 and only the names of the ones that will be alive for the 1,000 years are read out. The missing names are read out 1,000 years later at the GWT event. Nobody is lost by the end of that day.

Re:13:9:
If any man have an ear,
let him hear.
Re:13:10:
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity:
he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.
Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Children of the light have the true understanding of why the Bible even exists.

Isa:42:9:
Behold,
the former things are come to pass,
and new things do I declare:
before they spring forth I tell you of them.

When the 5th trump is over in 5 months the 6th trump sounds and that is 4 fallen angels manifesting as 200M angelic horsemen, the fallen angel that heads then is called the False Prophet. That would make hin appear to be Jesus and the armies from heaven (the 10,000 Saints in Jude)

Re:13:11:
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth;
and he had two horns like a lamb,
and he spake as a dragon.

It supports what the Beasts and Satan were promoting at their start 5 months earlier. They are allowed to kill 1/3 of all gentiles on the planet in the 37 months that remain of the Beast's original 42 months.

Re:13:12:
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him,
and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast,
whose deadly wound was healed.

The fire is an imitation of the fire that was used on Sodom. Jesus melts Jerusalem on His return as that is where they are on the day He resurrects the two witnesses from the grave.

Re:13:13:
And he doeth great wonders,
so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

In the 37 months a false throne is built in the nations and brought to Jerusalem. Since God only allows Jerusalem to be in their hands for 3 1/2 days they erect a tent that fits the one Moses erected.

Re:13:14:
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
saying to them that dwell on the earth,
that they should make an image to the beast,
which had the wound by a sword,
and did live.

Fallen angels doing things as impressive as they were before the flood. They can kill, they cannot resurrect what they kill.
The false throne has to have a voice as it is trying to be the one in Re:4. The Holy Spirit is the throne in that temple and she is the throne in New Jerusalem. Having even a fake throne declare that Satan is God is the sin that reaches into heaven and the one that is never forgiven. That means the chains Satan is bound by are not taken off when he is thrown into the lake while there are no chains on any of the other fallen angels.

Re:13:15:
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast,
that the image of the beast should both speak,
and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

2nd part of having the mark of the Beast. It makes a person a merchant that buys and sells while a consumer only buys things. It is run the same as company town are.

Re:13:16:
And he causeth all,
both small and great,
rich and poor,
free and bond,
to receive a mark in their right hand,
or in their foreheads:
Re:13:17:
And that no man might buy or sell,
save he that had the mark,
or the name of the beast,
or the number of his name.

6.66B Gentiles between the age of 20 and 120 years. Satan kills 1/3 and Jesus kills 2/3 of the ones that remain. The 1/3 that survive is the Gentile Church that have overcome their flaws.

Re:13:18:
Here is wisdom.
Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
for it is the number of a man;
and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.