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Is the idea or want of National Socialism really a bad thing?

 
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thats what they want you to believe.
they being the people that are national socialist them self but are afraid of not being able to control your nation
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What is stupid about having a decent discussion on the philosophy of national socialism?

I personally would welcome any edification, points of argument, sensible debate etc, from adherents.

National socialism by the way is not my favourite political and cultural leaning.
 Quoting: mon KeyHanger


Exactly.

I don't understand why we are unable to have full-spectrum debates here.

I highly doubt most here, including myself, would want pure socialism, pure communism, or pure capitalism, but what we have now could clearly use improvements.

Maybe conversations like this, if they were allowed to come to fruition, could yield some positive results.

Or should we just keep grinding ourselves into the echo chamber even further and pretend like the reality of the real world isn't encroaching around us?
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Here is the issue. I can get behind your nationalism debate. Of course our friends are like minded people. Thats who we associate with. And there is nothing wrong with pride in your heritage and country as long as you dont hate the others just to hate.

But any system that requires larger government is bad. Milton Friedman described the 3 types of spending...

We spend our own money on ourself
We spend someone elses money on ourself
We spend someone elses money on others

The last is what the government does. Therefore they are not concerned with price or quality because it isnt their money or their product. The best is the smallest form of government where we spend our own money on our own services and products. Therefore we shop for best service at cheapest price. That's where capitalism thrives.
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Certain things, they should stay the way they are. You ought to be able to stick them in one of those big glass cases and just leave them alone.
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Re: Is the idea or want of National Socialism really a bad thing?
thats what they want you to believe.
they being the people that are national socialist them self but are afraid of not being able to control your nation
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Many political theories like communism, socialism, and capitalism, would all work just fine if it weren't for the corruption that takes place at the upper echelons of government and society.

The greed perverts any good that could possibly come from any of those political theories. It's been proven time and time again for hundreds if not thousands of years.
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Worked well for Germany, right?

Not like we had a war over socialism...

Ask the starving people of Venezuela how socialism is working.
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Re: Is the idea or want of National Socialism really a bad thing?
thats what they want you to believe.
they being the people that are national socialist them self but are afraid of not being able to control your nation
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Many political theories like communism, socialism, and capitalism, would all work just fine if it weren't for the corruption that takes place at the upper echelons of government and society.

The greed perverts any good that could possibly come from any of those political theories. It's been proven time and time again for hundreds if not thousands of years.
 Quoting: PharmaceuticalsShrinkCocks


oh definitely
we will never find the right balance imo. even if the entire world would at some point unite in religion and politics etc. the very next day people would want to find a reason to separate and start something "better"

and corruption is also a thing thats almost impossible to avoid unless we let us rule by AI. but even that would be programmed by someone that wants a little bit extra power for him self probably
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Maybe conversations like this, if they were allowed to come to fruition, could yield some positive results.
 Quoting: PharmaceuticalsShrinkCocks


Right now most public debates don't even unconsciously allow for or purposefully include talking about liberals/leftists and conservatives/rightists.

The "L" word is avoided by most people in open conversations, much less calling people of the left "libtards."

The media often describe strongly conservative people as "ultra-conservatives" or "ultra-rightist." But a piece of crap like Barack Obama was not only never called an "ultra-liberal," he wasn't even called a "liberal/leftist." Even though he was.




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Here is the issue. I can get behind your nationalism debate. Of course our friends are like minded people. Thats who we associate with. And there is nothing wrong with pride in your heritage and country as long as you dont hate the others just to hate.

But any system that requires larger government is bad. Milton Friedman described the 3 types of spending...

We spend our own money on ourself
We spend someone elses money on ourself
We spend someone elses money on others

The last is what the government does. Therefore they are not concerned with price or quality because it isnt their money or their product. The best is the smallest form of government where we spend our own money on our own services and products. Therefore we shop for best service at cheapest price. That's where capitalism thrives.
 Quoting: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot


Capitalism doesn't thrive when the government agencies we DO maintain become corrupted by the special interests groups and corporate lobbying that our current model of capitalism allows to run roughshod over everything.

I mean, unless every citizen is going to become a full-blown citizen-scientist and become proficient in all the sciences I don't see how we can maintain a nation this size without some agencies doing routine food inspections and water quality testing.

NOW...

The agencies we currently have in place are NOT up my standard in any of those regards and don't appear to be working the the interest of the People, so it would take a complete overhaul.

We'd all like to think our neighbor Farmer Joe isn't going to let chemical waste run off of his farm and contaminate our drinking water and kill our family but...

We tried that and it turns out it's human nature to try to get away with anything you can so long as no one is there to call you on it.
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Re: Is the idea or want of National Socialism really a bad thing?
Worked well for Germany, right?

Not like we had a war over socialism...

Ask the starving people of Venezuela how socialism is working.
 Quoting: DasViking


You're using 2 of the most extreme examples of socialism run amok to prove that they can't work.

Why do we keep using the most extreme anomalies to dictate conversations about the vast majority that isn't that extreme?

It feels...retarded.
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OP, do you see this longsword I hold? This sword is razor sharp. This sword is real. This is no ceremonial piece. If I cut my head off while practicing angles with this sword, that's on me.

You know why I keep this battle hardened razor sharp sword, OP? Because life is a two-edged sword. And we walk a razor's edge of personal free-will. The second we forget that perfect and true free will to become all that our Creator meant for us to be as individuals, we cut off our own heads.

And to give government the power to be your vicarious God and nanny is to cut off your own head with this double-edged sword.

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Re: Is the idea or want of National Socialism really a bad thing?
thats what they want you to believe.
they being the people that are national socialist them self but are afraid of not being able to control your nation
 Quoting: T-Man


Many political theories like communism, socialism, and capitalism, would all work just fine if it weren't for the corruption that takes place at the upper echelons of government and society.

The greed perverts any good that could possibly come from any of those political theories. It's been proven time and time again for hundreds if not thousands of years.
 Quoting: PharmaceuticalsShrinkCocks


oh definitely
we will never find the right balance imo. even if the entire world would at some point unite in religion and politics etc. the very next day people would want to find a reason to separate and start something "better"

and corruption is also a thing thats almost impossible to avoid unless we let us rule by AI. but even that would be programmed by someone that wants a little bit extra power for him self probably
 Quoting: T-Man


Yup, my thoughts exactly.

There's a really good (albeit sad) chance that the best our species ever had has come and passed forever, and that we were never really that good at anything to begin with.

We were great terraformers, but now what?
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OP, do you see this longsword I hold? This sword is razor sharp. This sword is real. This is no ceremonial piece. If I cut my head off while practicing angles with this sword, that's on me.

You know why I keep this battle hardened razor sharp sword, OP? Because life is a two-edged sword. And we walk a razor's edged of personal free-will. The second we forget that perfect and true free will to become all that our Creator meant for us to be, we cut off our own heads.

And to give government the power to be your vicarious God and nanny is to cut off your own head with this double-edged sword.

:swordaltar:
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So you do all of your own air, water, and food safety testing?
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Maybe conversations like this, if they were allowed to come to fruition, could yield some positive results.
 Quoting: PharmaceuticalsShrinkCocks


Right now most public debates don't even unconsciously allow for or purposefully include talking about liberals/leftists and conservatives/rightists.

The "L" word is avoided by most people in open conversations, much less calling people of the left "libtards."

The media often describe strongly conservative people as "ultra-conservatives" or "ultra-rightist." But a piece of crap like Barack Obama was not only never called an "ultra-liberal," he wasn't even called a "liberal/leftist." Even though he was.




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 Quoting: CSnow


You're absolutely right.

This isn't just the fault of the people that we've become to entangled and gridlocked in the bullshit.

This was surgically orchestrated to remove the power of We the People to communicate and make decisions amongst ourselves like we did in the infancy of the our nation.
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OP, do you see this longsword I hold? This sword is razor sharp. This sword is real. This is no ceremonial piece. If I cut my head off while practicing angles with this sword, that's on me.

You know why I keep this battle hardened razor sharp sword, OP? Because life is a two-edged sword. And we walk a razor's edge of personal free-will. The second we forget that perfect and true free will to become all that our Creator meant for us to be, we cut off our own heads.

And to give government the power to be your vicarious God and nanny is to cut off your own head with this double-edged sword.

swordaltar
 Quoting: Pneumati tou Stomatos


So you do all of your own air, water, and food safety testing?
 Quoting: PharmaceuticalsShrinkCocks


I was born into this society as it is. I was offered all the perks of the nanny state if I would only conform to the narrative. I could have had it all if I had only conformed: the pretty wife, the huge house, the professorship. Could have had it all.

I may have been born in Babylon, but Zerubabel means "He who comes out of Babylon".

I eat what is available. I drink what is available. I breathe what is available.

But I will not enslave myself, even though it is readily available.

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Re: Is the idea or want of National Socialism really a bad thing?
Worked well for Germany, right?

Not like we had a war over socialism...

Ask the starving people of Venezuela how socialism is working.
 Quoting: DasViking


You're using 2 of the most extreme examples of socialism run amok to prove that they can't work.

Why do we keep using the most extreme anomalies to dictate conversations about the vast majority that isn't that extreme?

It feels...retarded.
 Quoting: PharmaceuticalsShrinkCocks


So, what's a less extreme example?

An example with any modicum of success, that didn't massacre thousands of people to take or maintain order.
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Is the idea of National Socialism really a bad thing. You most likely live in an neighborhood that is prominently the same race as you. Some places also live based on religion. So is it really such a bad thing? When you get your hair cut almost everyone wants a person of their color to be the one to cut their hair. It’s not because that person is racist, it’s because they know the other person of the same heritage knows how to deal with it more. It’s common sense.

People also tend to lean toward their own heritage already no matter if they are White, Black, Chinese, Mexican,Russian the list goes on. So the people that are saying that the people that bring up Nationalism or National Socialist are Racist or they are Nazi. They are not and most likely don’t give two fucks about you! Most never think about or complain about another Heritage unless it has to do with giving them money or when the other Heritage does something the other does not like.

It does not make anyone fucking racist it’s just common fucking Logical Thinking and Behavior. The quicker everyone figures this shit out the better and only then will anytimg be at peace and everyone will be held accountable.

Also National Socialism and the being a Socialist are two different things. Socialism by itself would never work because the hard workers are not going to continue to work to feed the lazy. Were as in National Socialism a person is more likely to pull their own share of responsibility for the better if the whole heritage. This goes back to the not giving a fuck about color unless it starts to mess with money or daily activities.
 Quoting: NFGWolf


This is what public education gives you. Drivel.
Read the Constitution OP, the Magna Carta, The Ten Commandments (basis or our criminal code) history of communism in Russia, China.
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It’s cute when morans try to flavor socialism by calling it “national socialism” or “democratic socialism.”
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Since World War II, there have been no major wars between rich capitalist societies. On the other hand, the socialist world experienced the invasions of Czechoslovakia and Afghanistan, war between China and Vietnam, and continued military confrontation between China and the Soviet Union. Arguably, of course, capitalist societies have at least as bad a record in terms of military interventions and the promotion and propping up of military dictatorships [3]. The point here is that state socialism has not provided any hint of a solution to the problem of war.

A key reason for this is that socialism developed in the mould of states, just like capitalism. Socialist states have relied on military forces to protect themselves internally and externally, just like capitalist states. Liebknecht’s analysis of the use of military forces for internal repression seems to apply to socialist states as well as to capitalist ones. In the face of capitalist militarism, "actually existing socialism" failed to challenge the foundations of militarism...

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Re: Is the idea or want of National Socialism really a bad thing?
Worked well for Germany, right?

Not like we had a war over socialism...

Ask the starving people of Venezuela how socialism is working.
 Quoting: DasViking


You're using 2 of the most extreme examples of socialism run amok to prove that they can't work.

Why do we keep using the most extreme anomalies to dictate conversations about the vast majority that isn't that extreme?

It feels...retarded.
 Quoting: PharmaceuticalsShrinkCocks


Because it usually ends in death and destruction.

I bet you didnt know but America tested Socialism in its early infancy and it FAILED because SOCIALISM always FAILS!

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Hey OP, why don't you become a global socialist....

The average yearly income for everyone in the world is about $6000. So once you write a check for all of your income above $6000 and give it to charity, then you can tell us about how great socialism is.

The fact that you live in the US just about automatically puts you in the top 1% of income earners when you consider the whole world.

Instead of trying to change the system which has lifted more people from poverty than any other, you should learn to be thankful for the things you do have in this country.
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Worked well for Germany, right?

Not like we had a war over socialism...

Ask the starving people of Venezuela how socialism is working.
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You're using 2 of the most extreme examples of socialism run amok to prove that they can't work.

Why do we keep using the most extreme anomalies to dictate conversations about the vast majority that isn't that extreme?

It feels...retarded.
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Since the current generation likes videos here are some to educate you



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As long as government representatives are controlled by Lobbyists,inside trading and,special interest groups there will only be unrest .

Term limits combined with outlawing the above groups would help immensely in stabilizing America. Then this would not even rise as a topic.
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specialstupid
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What’s stupid about what I said above. Anyone can name call and post pictures with words. What is your reason?
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It is what it leads to. Before the break down, when they enforced things instead of just let it run in the ground. Never had more of everything or higher standard of living and that was under attack before nafta
It is all the dependency and complacency it fosters as well. Dependent complacent people turn into total cucks and have nothing better to do all day than to make people\somebody as miserable as possible.
Life is competative and any socialized feature leads towards a general weaknening of the rest
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specialstupid
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What is stupid about having a decent discussion on the philosophy of national socialism?

I personally would welcome any edification, points of argument, sensible debate etc, from adherents.

National socialism by the way is not my favourite political and cultural leaning.
 Quoting: mon KeyHanger


Exactly.

I don't understand why we are unable to have full-spectrum debates here.

I highly doubt most here, including myself, would want pure socialism, pure communism, or pure capitalism, but what we have now could clearly use improvements.

Maybe conversations like this, if they were allowed to come to fruition, could yield some positive results.

Or should we just keep grinding ourselves into the echo chamber even further and pretend like the reality of the real world isn't encroaching around us?
 Quoting: PharmaceuticalsShrinkCocks


Here is the full spectrum and bottom line.
It is God's will that each individual have free agency to behave as they see fit, within the parameters of the criminal code which is based on the Ten Commandments.

The USA is the Lord's (Jesus Christ) base of Christianity.
The Constitution is divinely inspired. The extent to which it is trammeled by socialism, is the extent to which God's will is interdicted.

If the state is mandating human behavior, that is not free agency; but is the will of Satan, nemesis of Jesus Christ.
The world is about choosing good over evil by free agency, for each individual.
Basic.

National socialism, another word play for communism,
which is Luciferianism, is incompatible with Christian culture and not the will of God for the USA.

The places (of God) are hidden from us, as are the directions to get there except through death, but the will of God is openly available in book form, internet, and through prayer.
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If you want national socialism why don't you move to a country that has it, and leave this one alone?

The United States of America is founded on the principles of liberty and the right for the pursuit of happiness.

Socialism does not grant those principles.
 Quoting: Nexus-9


Maybe but the US has been communist since 1913, with the introduction of the Federal Reserve

then the Income Tax in 1916.

Both one of the ten planks of the communist manifesto.

Others are state-owned land and gubmint public schools.

Yeah, we have meat, bread and circuses unlike Russia

but we are a communist nation.
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It's been tainted by the horror of the German Nazis. You could build right-wing nationalist movement, but don't ever associate it with the Third Reich.
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Is the idea of National Socialism really a bad thing. You most likely live in an neighborhood that is prominently the same race as you. Some places also live based on religion. So is it really such a bad thing? When you get your hair cut almost everyone wants a person of their color to be the one to cut their hair. It’s not because that person is racist, it’s because they know the other person of the same heritage knows how to deal with it more. It’s common sense.

People also tend to lean toward their own heritage already no matter if they are White, Black, Chinese, Mexican,Russian the list goes on. So the people that are saying that the people that bring up Nationalism or National Socialist are Racist or they are Nazi. They are not and most likely don’t give two fucks about you! Most never think about or complain about another Heritage unless it has to do with giving them money or when the other Heritage does something the other does not like.

It does not make anyone fucking racist it’s just common fucking Logical Thinking and Behavior. The quicker everyone figures this shit out the better and only then will anytimg be at peace and everyone will be held accountable.

Also National Socialism and the being a Socialist are two different things. Socialism by itself would never work because the hard workers are not going to continue to work to feed the lazy. Were as in National Socialism a person is more likely to pull their own share of responsibility for the better if the whole heritage. This goes back to the not giving a fuck about color unless it starts to mess with money or daily activities.
 Quoting: NFGWolf


There is no point asking that question on GLP. 99.9% of people from the USA who come to GLP don't know what a socialist is.

Some people from the USA who come to GLP have called people on GLP a libtard communist. They don't realise how brain dead and stupid they are when the call somebody a libtard communist. They use terms the don't understand.
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specialstupid
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What is stupid about having a decent discussion on the philosophy of national socialism?

I personally would welcome any edification, points of argument, sensible debate etc, from adherents.

National socialism by the way is not my favourite political and cultural leaning.
 Quoting: mon KeyHanger


You can't have a debate with retards.
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National Sozialistische?...the hell do you think?! The hell is wrong with you?
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Her early leaf’s a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
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As a Christian, I'm neither a democrat, republican, nor socialist. I'm a theocratic monarchist who currently dwells in the midst of Babylon.

I'm not a materialist. I'm not a humanist. I'm not a secularist. I'm not a Hegelian. I'm not a Marxist. I'm not a Jeffersonian enlightenment individualist. I'm not a nationalist. I'm not a globalist. In point of fact, I'm not even a citizen. I just live and work within the Land of Confusion as a pilgrim headed to new heavens and new earth.

I don't really care how you govern your nation. I'm a nomad. I roam wherever Divine Providence leads

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