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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77259546 United States 01/05/2019 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that many people have the belief that there is no life after death. They believe that when you die, it's just fade to black and that's all, folks. Quoting: Faith Not Fear Try as I might, I cannot wrap my head around this notion because from a logical standpoint, it would seem that continued existence in some manner makes more sense. Research microtubular structures in your brain and the quantum connection of them. I believe something keeps going after death |
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User ID: 77225748 Australia 01/05/2019 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that many people have the belief that there is no life after death. They believe that when you die, it's just fade to black and that's all, folks. Quoting: Faith Not Fear Try as I might, I cannot wrap my head around this notion because from a logical standpoint, it would seem that continued existence in some manner makes more sense. I have pondered this idea hard for a long time and it actually doesn't frighten me in any way! However, the term life after death is something else that I have pondered, it begs two questions - what do we consider life and what do we consider death? So first let's look at 'life', after all, we are viewing this question from the viewpoint of being alive I guess!? So what is 'life'? I have heard of a myriad of medical people, surgeons, researchers, and scientists, who have protested the existence of the soul based on their research, and have NEVER found a 'soul'! Ok, to such I would ask - have you EVER found LIFE? They may answer - of course, one moment you can see that someone is alive and then they are not! I ask - from what perspective do they reach that conclusion? Just like 'soul', 'life' is equally mysterious! 'Life is not quantified by anything else other than the 'observation' of the evidence of its existence! Is 'soul' any different? I challenge ANY medical personnel, scientist or researcher, who is seeking answers to the existence of 'soul', to provide evidence of the existence of life! I believe that there is NO evidence of 'life', beyond the personal experience of - I am alive! And I believe that this is experience is no more or less valid than the conscious awareness that 'I am ME' or 'I AM SOUL'! So where am I going with this? The question shouldn't be - 'is there life after death'? Rather it should be, 'is there 'LIFE after LIFE'? And so I return to the opening question - What is Life? OP, for me, this is the starting point of addressing the subject of your thread. And for me, the answer is a no-brainer, but that is for each one to consider for themselves! I am with you on this - the - 'No' Life after Death or Life after Life can logically be supported from the viewpoint of our limited understanding as it stands at the moment! LIFE is probably MORE mysterious than SOUL, yet it is rarely challenged, while Soul is challenged all the time! For me, the chips fall in the favor of Life after Life/Death and the Eternal existence of Soul! I leave this for the reader to ponder! That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
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(OP) User ID: 27568016 United States 01/05/2019 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that many people have the belief that there is no life after death. They believe that when you die, it's just fade to black and that's all, folks. Quoting: Faith Not Fear Try as I might, I cannot wrap my head around this notion because from a logical standpoint, it would seem that continued existence in some manner makes more sense. Research microtubular structures in your brain and the quantum connection of them. I believe something keeps going after death I'm a bit familiar with them, to the extent I can follow anyway, from Stu Hammerhoff and Roger Penrose. Fascinating stuff, but even without a precise understanding of the mechanisms involve, the notion of continued existence just makes more sense than the idea of fade to black. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77259546 United States 01/05/2019 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that many people have the belief that there is no life after death. They believe that when you die, it's just fade to black and that's all, folks. Quoting: Faith Not Fear Try as I might, I cannot wrap my head around this notion because from a logical standpoint, it would seem that continued existence in some manner makes more sense. I have pondered this idea hard for a long time and it actually doesn't frighten me in any way! However, the term life after death is something else that I have pondered, it begs two questions - what do we consider life and what do we consider death? So first let's look at 'life', after all, we are viewing this question from the viewpoint of being alive I guess!? So what is 'life'? I have heard of a myriad of medical people, surgeons, researchers, and scientists, who have protested the existence of the soul based on their research, and have NEVER found a 'soul'! Ok, to such I would ask - have you EVER found LIFE? They may answer - of course, one moment you can see that someone is alive and then they are not! I ask - from what perspective do they reach that conclusion? Just like 'soul', 'life' is equally mysterious! 'Life is not quantified by anything else other than the 'observation' of the evidence of its existence! Is 'soul' any different? I challenge ANY medical personnel, scientist or researcher, who is seeking answers to the existence of 'soul', to provide evidence of the existence of life! I believe that there is NO evidence of 'life', beyond the personal experience of - I am alive! And I believe that this is experience is no more or less valid than the conscious awareness that 'I am ME' or 'I AM SOUL'! So where am I going with this? The question shouldn't be - 'is there life after death'? Rather it should be, 'is there 'LIFE after LIFE'? And so I return to the opening question - What is Life? OP, for me, this is the starting point of addressing the subject of your thread. And for me, the answer is a no-brainer, but that is for each one to consider for themselves! I am with you on this - the - 'No' Life after Death or Life after Life can logically be supported from the viewpoint of our limited understanding as it stands at the moment! LIFE is probably MORE mysterious than SOUL, yet it is rarely challenged, while Soul is challenged all the time! For me, the chips fall in the favor of Life after Life/Death and the Eternal existence of Soul! I leave this for the reader to ponder! I agree |
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(OP) User ID: 27568016 United States 01/05/2019 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that many people have the belief that there is no life after death. They believe that when you die, it's just fade to black and that's all, folks. Quoting: Faith Not Fear Try as I might, I cannot wrap my head around this notion because from a logical standpoint, it would seem that continued existence in some manner makes more sense. I have pondered this idea hard for a long time and it actually doesn't frighten me in any way! However, the term life after death is something else that I have pondered, it begs two questions - what do we consider life and what do we consider death? So first let's look at 'life', after all, we are viewing this question from the viewpoint of being alive I guess!? So what is 'life'? I have heard of a myriad of medical people, surgeons, researchers, and scientists, who have protested the existence of the soul based on their research, and have NEVER found a 'soul'! Ok, to such I would ask - have you EVER found LIFE? They may answer - of course, one moment you can see that someone is alive and then they are not! I ask - from what perspective do they reach that conclusion? Just like 'soul', 'life' is equally mysterious! 'Life is not quantified by anything else other than the 'observation' of the evidence of its existence! Is 'soul' any different? I challenge ANY medical personnel, scientist or researcher, who is seeking answers to the existence of 'soul', to provide evidence of the existence of life! I believe that there is NO evidence of 'life', beyond the personal experience of - I am alive! And I believe that this is experience is no more or less valid than the conscious awareness that 'I am ME' or 'I AM SOUL'! So where am I going with this? The question shouldn't be - 'is there life after death'? Rather it should be, 'is there 'LIFE after LIFE'? And so I return to the opening question - What is Life? OP, for me, this is the starting point of addressing the subject of your thread. And for me, the answer is a no-brainer, but that is for each one to consider for themselves! I am with you on this - the - 'No' Life after Death or Life after Life can logically be supported from the viewpoint of our limited understanding as it stands at the moment! LIFE is probably MORE mysterious than SOUL, yet it is rarely challenged, while Soul is challenged all the time! For me, the chips fall in the favor of Life after Life/Death and the Eternal existence of Soul! I leave this for the reader to ponder! I guess a lot of it comes down to definitions, doesn't it? I would say the idea of nobody finding a soul would be hardly surprising since it assumes a priori that the soul is a thing to be found. I hear you on the life question. It seems simple enough on the surface, but it's a very slippery concept to grab hold of. All I know is that I am. I exist. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77259546 United States 01/05/2019 03:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that many people have the belief that there is no life after death. They believe that when you die, it's just fade to black and that's all, folks. Quoting: Faith Not Fear Try as I might, I cannot wrap my head around this notion because from a logical standpoint, it would seem that continued existence in some manner makes more sense. Research microtubular structures in your brain and the quantum connection of them. I believe something keeps going after death I'm a bit familiar with them, to the extent I can follow anyway, from Stu Hammerhoff and Roger Penrose. Fascinating stuff, but even without a precise understanding of the mechanisms involve, the notion of continued existence just makes more sense than the idea of fade to black. Absolutely |
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(OP) User ID: 27568016 United States 01/05/2019 09:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What was your experience before you were born? You can't have an experience of no experience, so the only kind of experience you can have is the same kind of experience you are already having, huh? Quoting: Really Now Seems to make sense, but still we have people who believe that their belief in fade to black is somehow a more reasonable choice than a belief in continued existence. I am wondering how they come to that conclusion. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75653471 Canada 01/05/2019 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What was your experience before you were born? You can't have an experience of no experience, so the only kind of experience you can have is the same kind of experience you are already having, huh? Quoting: Really Now Seems to make sense, but still we have people who believe that their belief in fade to black is somehow a more reasonable choice than a belief in continued existence. I am wondering how they come to that conclusion. But you can't have an experience of "black", as that's not an experience - so what are they worried about? Beyond that, well who knows! Here's where I got this expression of not being able to have an experience of no experience: Make of this what you will lol |
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User ID: 77263055 Australia 01/05/2019 10:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that many people have the belief that there is no life after death. They believe that when you die, it's just fade to black and that's all, folks. Quoting: Faith Not Fear Try as I might, I cannot wrap my head around this notion because from a logical standpoint, it would seem that continued existence in some manner makes more sense. I have pondered this idea hard for a long time and it actually doesn't frighten me in any way! However, the term life after death is something else that I have pondered, it begs two questions - what do we consider life and what do we consider death? So first let's look at 'life', after all, we are viewing this question from the viewpoint of being alive I guess!? So what is 'life'? I have heard of a myriad of medical people, surgeons, researchers, and scientists, who have protested the existence of the soul based on their research, and have NEVER found a 'soul'! Ok, to such I would ask - have you EVER found LIFE? They may answer - of course, one moment you can see that someone is alive and then they are not! I ask - from what perspective do they reach that conclusion? Just like 'soul', 'life' is equally mysterious! 'Life is not quantified by anything else other than the 'observation' of the evidence of its existence! Is 'soul' any different? I challenge ANY medical personnel, scientist or researcher, who is seeking answers to the existence of 'soul', to provide evidence of the existence of life! I believe that there is NO evidence of 'life', beyond the personal experience of - I am alive! And I believe that this is experience is no more or less valid than the conscious awareness that 'I am ME' or 'I AM SOUL'! So where am I going with this? The question shouldn't be - 'is there life after death'? Rather it should be, 'is there 'LIFE after LIFE'? And so I return to the opening question - What is Life? OP, for me, this is the starting point of addressing the subject of your thread. And for me, the answer is a no-brainer, but that is for each one to consider for themselves! I am with you on this - the - 'No' Life after Death or Life after Life can logically be supported from the viewpoint of our limited understanding as it stands at the moment! LIFE is probably MORE mysterious than SOUL, yet it is rarely challenged, while Soul is challenged all the time! For me, the chips fall in the favor of Life after Life/Death and the Eternal existence of Soul! I leave this for the reader to ponder! I guess a lot of it comes down to definitions, doesn't it? I would say the idea of nobody finding a soul would be hardly surprising since it assumes a priori that the soul is a thing to be found. I hear you on the life question. It seems simple enough on the surface, but it's a very slippery concept to grab hold of. All I know is that I am. I exist. At the end of the day - that is about all I know as well! That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77211179 United States 01/05/2019 10:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that many people have the belief that there is no life after death. They believe that when you die, it's just fade to black and that's all, folks. Quoting: Faith Not Fear Try as I might, I cannot wrap my head around this notion because from a logical standpoint, it would seem that continued existence in some manner makes more sense. PERSONAL CHOICE IS INVOLVED and there must be something eternal involved. |
Faith Not Fear
(OP) User ID: 27568016 United States 01/05/2019 10:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What was your experience before you were born? You can't have an experience of no experience, so the only kind of experience you can have is the same kind of experience you are already having, huh? Quoting: Really Now Seems to make sense, but still we have people who believe that their belief in fade to black is somehow a more reasonable choice than a belief in continued existence. I am wondering how they come to that conclusion. But you can't have an experience of "black", as that's not an experience - so what are they worried about? Beyond that, well who knows! Here's where I got this expression of not being able to have an experience of no experience: Make of this what you will lol It's interesting that you say that because the closest I have seen for a reason to believe such a thing is the analogue to deep sleep. But that right there doesn't really follow because it only shows a lack of memory, not a lack of existing. The idea of not being able to have an experience of no experience is older than Watts. I thought you nicked it from Nisargadatta and was even going to comment on it. |
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(OP) User ID: 27568016 United States 01/05/2019 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that many people have the belief that there is no life after death. They believe that when you die, it's just fade to black and that's all, folks. Quoting: Faith Not Fear Try as I might, I cannot wrap my head around this notion because from a logical standpoint, it would seem that continued existence in some manner makes more sense. I have pondered this idea hard for a long time and it actually doesn't frighten me in any way! However, the term life after death is something else that I have pondered, it begs two questions - what do we consider life and what do we consider death? So first let's look at 'life', after all, we are viewing this question from the viewpoint of being alive I guess!? So what is 'life'? I have heard of a myriad of medical people, surgeons, researchers, and scientists, who have protested the existence of the soul based on their research, and have NEVER found a 'soul'! Ok, to such I would ask - have you EVER found LIFE? They may answer - of course, one moment you can see that someone is alive and then they are not! I ask - from what perspective do they reach that conclusion? Just like 'soul', 'life' is equally mysterious! 'Life is not quantified by anything else other than the 'observation' of the evidence of its existence! Is 'soul' any different? I challenge ANY medical personnel, scientist or researcher, who is seeking answers to the existence of 'soul', to provide evidence of the existence of life! I believe that there is NO evidence of 'life', beyond the personal experience of - I am alive! And I believe that this is experience is no more or less valid than the conscious awareness that 'I am ME' or 'I AM SOUL'! So where am I going with this? The question shouldn't be - 'is there life after death'? Rather it should be, 'is there 'LIFE after LIFE'? And so I return to the opening question - What is Life? OP, for me, this is the starting point of addressing the subject of your thread. And for me, the answer is a no-brainer, but that is for each one to consider for themselves! I am with you on this - the - 'No' Life after Death or Life after Life can logically be supported from the viewpoint of our limited understanding as it stands at the moment! LIFE is probably MORE mysterious than SOUL, yet it is rarely challenged, while Soul is challenged all the time! For me, the chips fall in the favor of Life after Life/Death and the Eternal existence of Soul! I leave this for the reader to ponder! I guess a lot of it comes down to definitions, doesn't it? I would say the idea of nobody finding a soul would be hardly surprising since it assumes a priori that the soul is a thing to be found. I hear you on the life question. It seems simple enough on the surface, but it's a very slippery concept to grab hold of. All I know is that I am. I exist. At the end of the day - that is about all I know as well! You, me, and everyone else, right? |
Faith Not Fear
(OP) User ID: 27568016 United States 01/05/2019 10:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that many people have the belief that there is no life after death. They believe that when you die, it's just fade to black and that's all, folks. Quoting: Faith Not Fear Try as I might, I cannot wrap my head around this notion because from a logical standpoint, it would seem that continued existence in some manner makes more sense. PERSONAL CHOICE IS INVOLVED and there must be something eternal involved. If so, I suppose the question would be who is deciding, just as it would be a question of who dies and fades to black for those who believe such a notion. |
Jack the Hun
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Baloney
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75653471 Canada 01/05/2019 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The idea of not being able to have an experience of no experience is older than Watts. I thought you nicked it from Nisargadatta and was even going to comment on it. Quoting: Faith Not Fear Well of course - Watts was just rehashing the same old buddhism from the last 2500 years heh, which is based off the Vedas and such, the same source as the hindu practices, and ultimately, all spiritual practices, in my books. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76702722 United States 01/05/2019 11:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that many people have the belief that there is no life after death. They believe that when you die, it's just fade to black and that's all, folks. Quoting: Faith Not Fear Try as I might, I cannot wrap my head around this notion because from a logical standpoint, it would seem that continued existence in some manner makes more sense. End is where beginning is. Means existence can't stop if it has an origin. In can exist on different planes. From point of view of death, life is rejection of death. Also resurrection from dead. Too many witnesses to reject it. This is without any complicated science. |
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(OP) User ID: 27568016 United States 01/05/2019 11:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Go on a few ghosthunts, buy a digital voice recorder and leave it on all night in an empty room. Do your own research this way, you will soon find the proof you need. Quoting: Mother May I This isn't about finding proof. It's about the idea of fading black being logically untenable or not and how someone can come to that belief in the first place. |
Faith Not Fear
(OP) User ID: 27568016 United States 01/06/2019 12:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that many people have the belief that there is no life after death. They believe that when you die, it's just fade to black and that's all, folks. Quoting: Faith Not Fear Try as I might, I cannot wrap my head around this notion because from a logical standpoint, it would seem that continued existence in some manner makes more sense. End is where beginning is. Means existence can't stop if it has an origin. In can exist on different planes. From point of view of death, life is rejection of death. Also resurrection from dead. Too many witnesses to reject it. This is without any complicated science. I agree that it is not complicated. Existence is. Non-existence isn't. Therefore, death is just a transformation to a different existence. |
Faith Not Fear
(OP) User ID: 27568016 United States 01/06/2019 12:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The idea of not being able to have an experience of no experience is older than Watts. I thought you nicked it from Nisargadatta and was even going to comment on it. Quoting: Faith Not Fear Well of course - Watts was just rehashing the same old buddhism from the last 2500 years heh, which is based off the Vedas and such, the same source as the hindu practices, and ultimately, all spiritual practices, in my books. I went back and looked at your first post and actually, it was the bit about what was your experience before you were born that reminded me of Nis because that was something he used to ask a lot. But yeah, the roots of this question are at the heart of the various traditions. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74989921 United States 01/06/2019 12:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Once you get voices in an empty room, and proof something exists, your mind opens to the possibilities of what exists after death. That's all I'm saying. So, no, the idea of nothing after death cannot be supported when there is evidence to the contrary. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75653471 Canada 01/06/2019 12:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Once you get voices in an empty room, and proof something Quoting: Mother May I exists, your mind opens to the possibilities of what exists after death. That's all I'm saying. So, no, the idea of nothing after death cannot be supported when there is evidence to the contrary. That's not evidence of life after death, that's evidence of some kind of voice in a room. It could be interdimensional aliens, it could be invisible mini-people, it could be weird radio wave distortions in the wall wiring, it could be someone's smoking too much crack, it could be any number of things. |