Can't blame them for wanting a life

Sorry about that. Mine were disfunctional too. But, I did pick up a few bits of wisdom from them, regardless.

I am a gen. X
1972
Just had a son,"Theo"..born Dec.5,2018.

Millennials today, see the dark side. Maybe they are more realists that we are. They don't see a bright road ahead.
So, they strike a psychological bargain, to be able to cope. The whistle past the graveyard with their PC behavior, in hope that by placating all discontented parties, everything will be OK. And, just maybe, they will have time for a real life while they are on this planet.

There is hope.

But, we cannot expect positive change during our lifetimes.

I can peg a narcissist within 5 minutes of meeting them, have a poker face that would put 007 to shame, an incredible BS sensor, and a very low tolerance for crap. About all I gained from the hell experience.

I have 3 mils. One a high tonnage boat captain in the Bering Sea. One a senior financial analyst at Jack in the Box corporate and the youngest has his own programming company in Taipei. I am pretty proud as they were all raised by a Christian, Republican Mom ;)

Nailed it.

They (collectively) instinctively know we're at the edge of an Age and there's no turning back.

The Olde Empire is dying and they know it. They're going to starve it the rest of the way dead.

The hope is in the next.

Heh, then you don't know me well. In fact, this millennial just left you some green karma for a previous comment you made that was exactly spot on.

You made a stupid comment man, just own it. Communism is gay as fuck, why even bring it up? You certainly are cocked and ready to make vast, sweeping judgements against other people, aren't you?

Hmmm...

I don't think it matters what generation you come from, it's all in how you were raised. First of all if my teenage daughter got in the car and said she wasn't listening to my shit, I'd have popped her in the mouth, that's disrespect. My son is a millennial, early but still a millennial, he works his ass off, takes care of his family and his mil and bil (her hubs died) because that is what he was raised to do, to take responsibility for his life.

Offering excuses for your brat kids is what got us into this mess and it doesn't matter what year they were born in

Nobody is offering excuses. Everybody has a different model of how the world works. I'm just trying to understand kids 40 years younger than I am. As I said, formulaic answers are worth squat to them. They have seen what liars politicians and corporate hucksters are.

Yes, but my wife says not to talk about it with her.
I understand.

It's that "end-of-the-world-shit" reaction.

Want to know a major reason why we can't work together? You group us all up as one and think just because you've seen some (liberally raised) kids screaming "open border" that they must all be like that. You see some of the entitled idiots of the generation whining and complaining that they don't yet have a skyscraper and a multi million dollar mansion, and think all of the kids must be like that.

News flash: every generation has had those people. These attitudes against whole generations are extremist, not actually fact.

It would be the same as if my generation generalized the boomers for allowing things to get to this point socially and economically while enjoying the hand-over of property of the generation before. That is simply not always the case.

I find it scary how we often talk about sticking together for the betterment of the country while maintaining a division amongst generations. Some of the "kids" in my generation have 3 jobs to maintain school and a $1200 1 bedroom apartment in an unsafe neighborhood. These kids are fully aware of what their parents paid for their family home growing up, knowing they will never have that same opportunity. There are more of those "kids" than you'd think, actually. They are too busy skipping many of the things the boomers had to enjoy. They are too busy to be pointing fingers and bitching about the generations before them or after them.

The tunnel vision is very real on this topic. Think for a moment; if things continued at the same pace for another 50 years, we will be making approximately $18/hr, milk will be $10, entry level homes will be $750,000 and education will require a scholarship unless you are born into wealth or are willing to work every second of every day split amongst 4-5 jobs. Will you still think they're all entitled then?

But, that behavior is historical. There were millennia where there was no accountability, men acted like dogs, women were property. Humans acted more like herd animals. Yet we got here, to this set of ideals in this country. How did that happen?

Sounds like a bunch of new age mumbo jumbo to me.

You said a mouthful in less than a paragraph

"everybody has a different model of how the world works"

That is clinical insanity...literally

the world only really works well one way and every lunatic and psychopath feels the need to screw it up


Reality is what it is.

You can be mad that your personal outlandish views are weird and unacceptable and then you learn to get with reality....

When society starts bending for every weirdo with a pulse...everything starts to break down

What we need is a collective spine....a collective voice that says "no"

"No, your insanity/perversion is not ok and we as a society are not going to accept it....get real or go to the funny farm...kapisch?"

Completely different

smaller communities, more responsibility per individual

You don't know much about cultural history do you? You know stories and bullshit that you were fed through the federal government controlled indoctrination system...erm...education system

1,000 years ago....you did not fuck out of wedlock for fun....why? because if you were caught you would prob be put to death in a very grisly way that assured no one else would think it was worth it.

There was a reason that morals and decency were harshly enforced....

why?

Look the fuck around you and see where we have fallen to....that's why.

If there were not so many bastards being born, we would not have the modern social welfare system....

we would not have the welfare system if men got their cocks cut off for fucking out of wedlock

No, not really. You don't get to dictate how another person deals with reality.

And your personal mental model of reality is flawed - everyone's is. They are imperfect - as all models are.

If everything was so obvious, as you say, then there would never be any disagreements, no wars.

Else, everyone is crazy, save you...eh?

I hate new age crap. No, it is actually part of the way people deal with loss. In this case it is the loss of hope for the future. Elizabeth Kubler Ross identified "bargaining" as part of the grieving process in dealing with death.

She outlined the step of coping as follows:

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

[link to grief.com (secure)]

Nobody is offering excuses. Everybody has a different mental model of how the world works. I'm just trying to understand kids 40 years younger than I am. As I said, formulaic answers are worth squat to them. They have seen what liars politicians and corporate hucksters are.

Ok so what years are supposed to be gen x?

You mean because politicians have been honest up until now...you are offering excuses! Do you honest to God think that every generation before us had it easy...no we fought and died for what we wanted in life we worked our asses off, we didn't sit around in our safe spaces crying. They have no backbone and that is the parents fault

Who y'all fooling with all this Tom-foolery?

The quality of life in America has rapidly been depleted over the last 30 years. College degree or not, join the masons or suffer.

It wasn't always like this, you didn't have to join the masons to get a decent job 30 years ago, in America.

i took this advice literally from another man

and let me be one to share with you all... though one might not be, most are... THE CRAFT IS DEAD

just another blood sucking leech organization bound by bullshit traditions and now open to the complacent heard, the mongrel dogs of society...

i have no regrets, for i am no christian and was just doing what i could to maybe prove myself and get ahead in the line... once i was on the roller coaster i realized we are all in this shit show together and it doesn't matter who know or what you know. a smart man is a successful man ( JEFF FUCKING BEZOS )

put down your cellphones for just a few minutes and behold the daughters of the firmament