I am here to answer your questions.

No, and I don't plan to. I'll not be stopping long enough to receive counsel from anyone/thing on my way out.

lol Ozzy.

That's about exactly what I was thinking was going on here.

Are there ones that incarnate without that veil or is the veil a requirement for all?

I would prefer that as well.

Into the Light or the Black?

I died in 1991 and when into the Light, and came back. I was angry about that for years, until I owned that that was MY decision. *rolls eyes and laughs*

I was told by other humans to go into the "Void" (black)

Any thoughts on that?

(I desire to never come back here again.)

Into the Void? Yes, sort of. When you leave this physical incarnation, do not go into any light. Look "up" and you will see the "grid". There are holes in it. You will see them. Intend/think yourself out of a hole fast like a bullet. Don't stop to talk to anyone, receive counsel from anyone, no loved ones, no guides, no Jesus, no nothing. Just get yourself out.

Yes. We incur "Karmic" debt for everything we do. Typically, it is minor, positive or negative. A key idea to keep in mind is that what you put out into the world will be returned to you. However, much of the experience you manifest is born from your intention, conscious or otherwise, which is intertwined with "Karma."



You are correct regarding one of the aspects of my counterpart's plan. Remember, their end-goal is to induce substantive spiritual evolution and progress in Earth and its inhabitants. The terms of their assignment are based on the condition they provide a clear and inarguable example of the "negative option" so we here may Freely choose and thus grow. This is why they desired a "negative Harvest," if you will.

The majority of Earth's inhabitants graduating to a Fourth Density positive Earth instead is a hard-fought victory because we are demonstrating to the solar system's community that the role my counterpart plays in Earth's direction and affairs is increasingly less necessary.



There is no correlation between distance from the Sun and a planetary Logos's density of experience.



No. It does change which density of physical reality we experience, however, which can vary minorly or majorly from one another in many ways, including spatially and temporally.



This contract was created by the Elder Council, which often resides on and operates from densities of Saturn. The groupsouls that comprise this council are of the 6th and 7th densities. Each planetary Logos of this solar system were also present.



Yes. Nothing is permanent or set in stone.



Yes. There is a positive and negative polarity for each density of experience. The current primary polarities of our Fourth Density positive Earth are Wisdom (Light), which is the "positive" end of the polarity, and Love, which is the "negative." Remember, these terms do not mean that one is "better" than the other, they are simply used to describe which experiences must be had and which lessons must be integrated to ascend orthodoxically in our density of experience. I expanded on this earlier in the thread and can point you to where, if you like. Think of "positive" as meaning "leading toward ultimate reunion with the Creator" and "negative" as meaning the opposite. Though nothing is permanent, the journey can take many forms.

A side note: just as we had to integrate and harmonize the experiences and lessons of both Love and Fear to Graduate to a positive Fourth Density, so too will we harmonize Wisdom and Love to Graduate to a positive Fifth Density. The positive side of the polarity nearly always consists of almost entirely novel experiences and lessons, but both sides of the polarity must be Harmonized to progress to a next density. The given side of a polarity with which you identified via your actions and intentions determines the quality, or archetypes, of your next density of experience.

Remember, this process is not the only way to transition between densities. It is only the most orthodox and most common.



As far as I know, it exists at least through the 7th density of experience, though I know next to nothing of the octave(s) of densities beyond our own. In keeping with the tenet of "As Above, So Below," it seems feasible that polarity is continuously present, though perhaps this tenet only pertains to this octave of densities.



I covered Graduation to 5th density earlier in this post. Graduation to 6th density orthodoxically entails Harmonizing the polarities of Wisdom (Light) and Understanding. Graduation to 7th density consists of Harmonizing the polarities of Understanding and a new form of Compassion for which we have no worldly words. 8th density is the complete reunification with the Creator we have been discussing briefly throughout this thread.



I believed I touched on the first question here as much as I am able. As to the second: yes. We are discussing the orthodox and most common method of transitioning between densities; there are many others.



This is more or less accurate, though even in reunion with the Creator (Godhead, as you say) an individuated soul retains its "individuality;" it is complicated to explain with words.

Can you clarify your second question, here?

I am very grateful for your questions. They are simply wonderful.

The human avatar was constructed in its physicality such that its users may best operate within, and interact with, Earth.

The soul is not necessarily seated within the human avatar. The soul is moreso an animating force that "energizes" the body so it may experience physical being. That said, the line between physical and non-physical is quite philosophically fuzzy. In other words, it pushes the limits of language to discuss.

You are very welcome. May you find as you seek and be as You Are.

O-o

I have SEEN that! It is electric blue in color, and, yes, there are faded parts and 'holes.'

Thank you very much.

OP, what do you think of this?

There are "barriers" of sorts around each and every Logos and density. This is a result of the Law of Light, or Sovereignty.

It is also the mechanism by which souls who incarnate into any density of experience are encouraged to immerse themselves within said density as opposed to exploring that which they are not necessarily ready, or sincerely willing, to explore.

There are barriers around this solar system just as there are barriers around planets. Have you happened to read of the Van Allen radiation belt?



I believe I answered this in my answer to your first question. Please ask if you would like me to clarify.

Yes. The Veil is not even a requirement. It is enjoyed by many who choose to incarnate, as the purpose of incarnation is to immerse yourself within its experiences - like a dream.

The path of return to the Creator / the All after the end of a physical incarnation takes different forms, each unique to the individuated soul. However, there are archetypes.

Fundamentally, all you ever need to do to return home is simply intend to.

Thank you again OP.

What's life like living in 6th or 7th density?

How many densities before being reunified with the Creator/the All?

Yes, I understand it is not "inside", per say. I am also acquainted with how it energizes/animates the body. Indeed, language is a barrier; physical and spiritual being the same. However, the soul is part of the human avatar construction. What else is part of the human avatar construction in addition to physical body and "soul"?

As you can see OP, we are very hungry for answers. Thank you for sharing.

You are very welcome. These are also good questions.

6th density is the first density in which Graduation does not occur at the individual level. Rather, the groupsoul/oversoul is responsible for Harmonizing its polarities. 7th density is similar. I expanded upon both of these in one of my previous posts on this page.

8th density is the ultimate reunification with the Creator / the All.

YES. That is it. When you see it again...go out through it. Beyond this barrier is where we belong, not in here. We were tricked to come in here. Now, it's past time to get out.

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I would like to take a moment to thank all of you for your questions. I did not expect that we would be reaching beyond what language can describe or explain so quickly. I am very grateful and humbled.

Shall we continue?

Each human avatar is joined by a toroidal field. This field is one of the aspects of our creative potential. It is a tool and though it takes practice to use consciously, we are always using it. The contents and results of this field's activity are directly related to what and how we choose, consciously or otherwise, to manifest. It is one of the components of our attractive nature; both an antenna, and a broadcasting station. Such is the nature of singularities.

PLEASE!!!

I can only speak for myself, but I have been waiting for one such as you here in GLP since 2011.

So the Venusian bloodlines are contracted to come here and torture us, so to say, to stimulate spiritual evolution? This does not appear to be an act of unconditional love from higher will. It seems perverted. Does not karma, sowing and reaping, if not wisdom and love itself, provide sufficient teaching?

Yes, may we please continue?

If amnesia is preferred by some incarnates, why must we all experience amnesia if some (like myself) do not wish for it.

I know you said it is to learn, but there are many other ways in which to learn on this plane.

It is my understanding (ugh, I do not like that word!) that we are not here to learn anything...other that The Creator and 'We' are ONE.

Op, what say you?

Essentially, you are correct. The ultimate reason behind endeavoring in such a manner (to stimulate spiritual evolution, as you say) is to once again allow us the ability to return to the Creator. Before any of this was agreed to, we were "trapped" in a sort of idyllic prison. I expanded upon this at length in various points throughout this thread; I can point you to where, if you like.




They do! How they interplay with the current state of affairs is complicated and natural, though not necessarily necessary.

It is not that all must experience "amnesia," rather that most choose to.

There are ways to peek beyond the Veil if you so choose.

Ill let you continue but its a larp, but its good if its centered around law of one, you've said three things that let me know, 1 there is no such thing as positive or negative karma, only karma, its a balancing of unloving actions

There just as much chance to incur karma anywhere. ;)

The time of the dragon is indeed short o wise one

I have a simple question on mind:

What is love ?

The ones without a veil, isn't that kind of cheating?

Any system could easily be taken advantage of and used for ill will at any time.

This is the fundamental lesson, purpose, and archetype of incarnation of any kind. That said, it is not the only manner in which we may approach incarnation (even though it is). Both the Creator and individuated souls often have different stated reasons for choosing to incarnate, even though they all tie back to this one.

Love is one of the few primary, fundamental, and unifying forces in Creation. It is a necessary one, and one upon which all is contingent.

It is like cheating, and it is occasionally taken advantage of. However, have you ever played a game while constantly cheating? It loses its flavor very quickly. Those who choose to "cheat" throughout an incarnation are few and far between and very seldom keep a taste for it.