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Misspurrrrrect
User ID: 15572297 United States 11/27/2018 09:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lol, they aren't moving car production, they're eliminating car production. You people need to get a handle on what's happening and adapt rather than putting your heads in the sand and hoping someone else will solve problems. Quoting: The Årtist The world is changing, period. There's no amount of government intervention or whining or crying about it that going to change The Shift. We ARE going to have self driving electric cars. You can either accept it and find a way to adapt or profit from this change or refuse to accept it and become a horse shoe maker. Transportation IS going to change. If you live in any major metro area you will quickly understand just how unsustainable the current system is. People sitting 2-4 hours a day 5 days a week in their cars is unsustainable. If you think self driving cars, massive reduction in automobile manufacturing, and all electric transportation isn't going to happen 100%, then you have no understanding of the history of technology. It doesn't matter what you think or want, technology WILL move on without you. And if you don't adapt you will be left in a situation where you cannot move around in society. And no, it's not going to take 50 years either. 50% of the cars on the road will be self driving in 10 years and I can guarantee that every single accident will find human driven cars at fault. There will simply be too much data collected at the time of accidents. Big Box Retail is going to die, driving cars and sitting attentive behind the wheel for hours and hours in traffic is going to die. This shit has been obviously coming for years but people always say "it'll never happen" until it does and then they're fucked because they never planned for if it did. It is not the responsibility of Trump or the government to save businesses, that's the business' job. GM is a for profit, publicly traded corporation. Their job is to see the future and adapt their business to stay profitable. Maintaining dependence on a 120 year old technology and thinking it would never change is foolish. Those plants are closing and we do not need, nor want, the government to intervene to save the people that were so short sighted to not plan for eventualities. This is snowflake behavior and exactly the same shit as bank bailouts, and the handouts GM got a few years ago. OH yes ... We had a documentary on that future thing where the cars drove themselves and the crime rate was nothing. ..... This documentary showed how the food had been improved to sustain health and how it had been modified to deliver only the greatest amount of sustained and balanced nutrients, while diminishing the possibility of nutrition related disease and disorders. The improvement in day to day human interaction, along with social training and access to anger management training classes, decreases the necessity to fight and argue just to make a point. People are so much more relaxed in social situations, in the near future. The police have a much easier job and can concentrate on dealing with law breakers in a calm and humane way. The prison system is so much better in the near future. It is simple and efficient with a huge endeavor to rehabilitate and educate the person detained. The transportation system is indeed a very controlled and safe "smart car" system where the driver and passengers have no need to stress. The safety protocol, in the future vehicles, takes into consideration the safety of the complete vehicle and eliminates the need for a dangerous exploding bag per person by carefully enclosing the interior, of a vehicle involved in an accident, with an advanced cushion of expanding fluffy foam. Nearly 100% decrease in injury accidents. I am including some snippets of this documentary to illustrate the physical future for us all. [link to youtu.be (secure)] [link to youtu.be (secure)] [link to youtu.be (secure)] [link to youtu.be (secure)] |
MaxwellSmart007
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OldBones
User ID: 73951297 United States 11/27/2018 09:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Pres Trump, please get the GM executives into your office NOW to work out this mess so they keep those American factories going! Quoting: Who is Blue Fairy You can do it, I know you can, one way or another! We love GM cars and do not want to buy them if they are made in China! You are such a good reorganizer maybe you can give them some ideas. PLEASE These are the democrats at work - even CEO's are democrats and are mad about health care and the tax breaks the common man has got from Trump. Transferring jobs to China are you serious all because they won the House? OldBones |
Dr. Philco
User ID: 32220296 United States 11/27/2018 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why should he? They should have died in 2009 before their bailout. Since the bailout, did they rethink their business strategy so not have to have that happen again? No, they did same buisiness as usual, which got them there in the first place? They deserve to die off. What they could have done was kill off GMC (way overpriced Chevrolet). Quoting: Robrock85 Want to know the difference between Chevy and GMC? A friend of mine is an auto body man. From experience repairing these two, he found GMC had more bolts and screws holding the whole thing together, than the Chevy model. Such as Yukon vs Tahoe. So how do you think that translates in an accident. I had quite a few Chevy’s and switched to GMC. Your uneducated, GMC and Chevrolet since the late 1960s are identical platforms, if there is any more bolts in them, its from different trim options and grilles. I was a GM auto technician since 1987 and worked on both, the only real difference is the trim and engine options, nothing more. Last Edited by Smedly on 11/27/2018 09:14 PM Dont care what you think |
LogicalReason
User ID: 45889090 United States 11/27/2018 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Pres Trump, please get the GM executives into your office NOW to work out this mess so they keep those American factories going! Quoting: Who is Blue Fairy You can do it, I know you can, one way or another! We love GM cars and do not want to buy them if they are made in China! You are such a good reorganizer maybe you can give them some ideas. PLEASE These factories make vehicles which there is NO DEMAND.. they are specifically set up to make certain types of vehicles. That is the problem.. GM made some types of vehicles with low demand (no buyers) Blame the consumers! They have decided to buy SUV's instead with a strong economy and low gas prices Think About It. |
Nonfeminazi
User ID: 77084178 United States 11/27/2018 09:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Pres Trump, please get the GM executives into your office NOW to work out this mess so they keep those American factories going! Quoting: Who is Blue Fairy You can do it, I know you can, one way or another! We love GM cars and do not want to buy them if they are made in China! You are such a good reorganizer maybe you can give them some ideas. PLEASE GM has been moving their manufacturing to China and then shipping the cars back to the U.S. Need to tariff the imports to bring factories back Yes that’s it! BTW I know thru experience what Toyota Honda Suburu and other imports are like, purely cheap junk. You wish. I've owned Jeep, Chevy, & Ford and if I go way back, Chrysler. They all sucked. Then I got smart and bought a Toyota. Best car ever. Sixteen years old and still strong. One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. Plato |
Who is Blue Fairy
(OP) User ID: 51928767 United States 11/27/2018 09:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Pres Trump, please get the GM executives into your office NOW to work out this mess so they keep those American factories going! Quoting: Who is Blue Fairy You can do it, I know you can, one way or another! We love GM cars and do not want to buy them if they are made in China! You are such a good reorganizer maybe you can give them some ideas. PLEASE These factories make vehicles which there is NO DEMAND.. they are specifically set up to make certain types of vehicles. That is the problem.. GM made some types of vehicles with low demand (no buyers) Blame the consumers! They have decided to buy SUV's instead with a strong economy and low gas prices Ok then shut down the Mexican and Chinese factories and keep the ones in America! Jesus Wept |
Who is Blue Fairy
(OP) User ID: 51928767 United States 11/27/2018 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Pres Trump, please get the GM executives into your office NOW to work out this mess so they keep those American factories going! Quoting: Who is Blue Fairy You can do it, I know you can, one way or another! We love GM cars and do not want to buy them if they are made in China! You are such a good reorganizer maybe you can give them some ideas. PLEASE GM has been moving their manufacturing to China and then shipping the cars back to the U.S. Need to tariff the imports to bring factories back Yes that’s it! BTW I know thru experience what Toyota Honda Suburu and other imports are like, purely cheap junk. You wish. I've owned Jeep, Chevy, & Ford and if I go way back, Chrysler. They all sucked. Then I got smart and bought a Toyota. Best car ever. Sixteen years old and still strong. My 85 Toronado (Oldsmobile) still going strong. And the people who bought the 75 Monte Carlo still driving that. So... You would be pretty cold in that Toyota in -60. Jesus Wept |
Who is Blue Fairy
(OP) User ID: 51928767 United States 11/27/2018 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lol, they aren't moving car production, they're eliminating car production. You people need to get a handle on what's happening and adapt rather than putting your heads in the sand and hoping someone else will solve problems. Quoting: The Årtist The world is changing, period. There's no amount of government intervention or whining or crying about it that going to change The Shift. We ARE going to have self driving electric cars. You can either accept it and find a way to adapt or profit from this change or refuse to accept it and become a horse shoe maker. Transportation IS going to change. If you live in any major metro area you will quickly understand just how unsustainable the current system is. People sitting 2-4 hours a day 5 days a week in their cars is unsustainable. If you think self driving cars, massive reduction in automobile manufacturing, and all electric transportation isn't going to happen 100%, then you have no understanding of the history of technology. It doesn't matter what you think or want, technology WILL move on without you. And if you don't adapt you will be left in a situation where you cannot move around in society. And no, it's not going to take 50 years either. 50% of the cars on the road will be self driving in 10 years and I can guarantee that every single accident will find human driven cars at fault. There will simply be too much data collected at the time of accidents. Big Box Retail is going to die, driving cars and sitting attentive behind the wheel for hours and hours in traffic is going to die. This shit has been obviously coming for years but people always say "it'll never happen" until it does and then they're fucked because they never planned for if it did. It is not the responsibility of Trump or the government to save businesses, that's the business' job. GM is a for profit, publicly traded corporation. Their job is to see the future and adapt their business to stay profitable. Maintaining dependence on a 120 year old technology and thinking it would never change is foolish. Those plants are closing and we do not need, nor want, the government to intervene to save the people that were so short sighted to not plan for eventualities. This is snowflake behavior and exactly the same shit as bank bailouts, and the handouts GM got a few years ago. OH yes ... We had a documentary on that future thing where the cars drove themselves and the crime rate was nothing. ..... This documentary showed how the food had been improved to sustain health and how it had been modified to deliver only the greatest amount of sustained and balanced nutrients, while diminishing the possibility of nutrition related disease and disorders. The improvement in day to day human interaction, along with social training and access to anger management training classes, decreases the necessity to fight and argue just to make a point. People are so much more relaxed in social situations, in the near future. The police have a much easier job and can concentrate on dealing with law breakers in a calm and humane way. The prison system is so much better in the near future. It is simple and efficient with a huge endeavor to rehabilitate and educate the person detained. The transportation system is indeed a very controlled and safe "smart car" system where the driver and passengers have no need to stress. The safety protocol, in the future vehicles, takes into consideration the safety of the complete vehicle and eliminates the need for a dangerous exploding bag per person by carefully enclosing the interior, of a vehicle involved in an accident, with an advanced cushion of expanding fluffy foam. Nearly 100% decrease in injury accidents. I am including some snippets of this documentary to illustrate the physical future for us all. [link to youtu.be (secure)] [link to youtu.be (secure)] [link to youtu.be (secure)] [link to youtu.be (secure)] Soylent Green world Nanobot Control Thread: They have secretly taken us all over with nanobots, ultimate mind control, targeted individuals=ALL OF US! Free will lost. Last Edited by Who is Blue Fairy on 11/27/2018 09:31 PM Jesus Wept |
Misspurrrrrect
User ID: 15572297 United States 11/27/2018 09:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Pres Trump, please get the GM executives into your office NOW to work out this mess so they keep those American factories going! Quoting: Who is Blue Fairy You can do it, I know you can, one way or another! We love GM cars and do not want to buy them if they are made in China! You are such a good reorganizer maybe you can give them some ideas. PLEASE These factories make vehicles which there is NO DEMAND.. they are specifically set up to make certain types of vehicles. That is the problem.. GM made some types of vehicles with low demand (no buyers) Blame the consumers! They have decided to buy SUV's instead with a strong economy and low gas prices Ok then shut down the Mexican and Chinese factories and keep the ones in America! Exactly!!!! |
billclintonisarapist
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Who is Blue Fairy
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Righteous Retribution
User ID: 75007266 United States 11/27/2018 09:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The big three and honest workers are going to suffer ass fucking union parasites as long as they are allowed to exist. People who do their job don't need the UAW. The drunks, dopers, politically ambitious and every other form of lazy fuck deserve the fucking that they are getting. The poor fuck that just want's to give an honest days work for honest pay suffers. It's a hard world. Shooting underage and female border infiltrators is just as easy as reducing the lead you would give to military aged males. It's a hard life and we all get to live one... Of all the deaths that will occur in 2020, none will be as tragic as the murder of our republic... Standing back and standing by for now... |
NikM755
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Talus
User ID: 44939344 United States 11/27/2018 09:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lol, they aren't moving car production, they're eliminating car production. You people need to get a handle on what's happening and adapt rather than putting your heads in the sand and hoping someone else will solve problems. Quoting: The Årtist The world is changing, period. There's no amount of government intervention or whining or crying about it that going to change The Shift. We ARE going to have self driving electric cars. You can either accept it and find a way to adapt or profit from this change or refuse to accept it and become a horse shoe maker. Transportation IS going to change. If you live in any major metro area you will quickly understand just how unsustainable the current system is. People sitting 2-4 hours a day 5 days a week in their cars is unsustainable. If you think self driving cars, massive reduction in automobile manufacturing, and all electric transportation isn't going to happen 100%, then you have no understanding of the history of technology. It doesn't matter what you think or want, technology WILL move on without you. And if you don't adapt you will be left in a situation where you cannot move around in society. And no, it's not going to take 50 years either. 50% of the cars on the road will be self driving in 10 years and I can guarantee that every single accident will find human driven cars at fault. There will simply be too much data collected at the time of accidents. Big Box Retail is going to die, driving cars and sitting attentive behind the wheel for hours and hours in traffic is going to die. This shit has been obviously coming for years but people always say "it'll never happen" until it does and then they're fucked because they never planned for if it did. It is not the responsibility of Trump or the government to save businesses, that's the business' job. GM is a for profit, publicly traded corporation. Their job is to see the future and adapt their business to stay profitable. Maintaining dependence on a 120 year old technology and thinking it would never change is foolish. Those plants are closing and we do not need, nor want, the government to intervene to save the people that were so short sighted to not plan for eventualities. This is snowflake behavior and exactly the same shit as bank bailouts, and the handouts GM got a few years ago. Sorry, but no. Just, no. The current technology is not even close to ready for wide scale roll out within a decade given the current state of our road systems. It would take a MAJOR upgrade to every interstate in the US. There is approximately 47,000 miles of interstate in the US. At an estimated cost of 1.25 million to just mill down and repave, that would cost 59 billion. I doubt we could get away with just repaving though. A large portion would have to be torn out and rebuilt which runs from 4 million a mile to over 11 million a mile. That is just for interstates. There are a total of 2.7 million miles of paved roads in the US. And another 1.4 million miles of unpaved roads that would have to be upgraded and paved. (Computers don't do well on unpaved roads.) How many miles of all these roads are gonna have to be upgraded, repaired or rebuilt? The low end of that (just repaving) would run over 5 trillion dollars. But just taking the stretches of interstates between cities, where automated cars and trucks would be easiest to implement, you still have some major problems. 1. Reliability. If you have ever used a cell phone, laptop, cable box, smart watch or any other piece of technology made after the late 90s then you know that reliability is not a strong suit. Sure, if my phone locks up I just reboot it and go about my business. If the control software on an automated truck locks up, you have a 40 ton rolling battering ram hauling anything from sheet steel to unleaded gas to radioactive material. Imagine the headlines when a tanker of gas takes out a charter bus full of school children. 2. You would have mixed automated and non automated traffic. 2.a. From recent studies, 80% of all car - semi truck accidents where caused by the car. People do not understand now how trucks work and just think they can whip in and around them with no consequence. Without adding high level (well beyond our current level) predictive AI to the control unit of the truck, these accidents will still happen because automated trucks still have to obey the laws of physics. 2.b. The only way to stop this would be to have dedicated automated truck lanes. Which goes back the the original argument of cost. 3. Unless you built roads that could self clean ice, rain, sand, debris etc, you will be limited by weather and climate conditions where your truck is operating. A lake effect snow storm in Pennsylvania, a sand storm in texas, a tornado in Kansas, a flood in indiana. All of these happen more often than we would like and if your product has to be there, you cant wait for the weather and conditions to clear to the point that the computer can resume operations. 4. Any automated vehicle will have some way to accept a remote connection. The problems this causes are obvious. These are just off the top of my head. I do think that we will eventually have an automated transport system but it is decades off. Maybe even longer. The biggest factor would be the cost of the infrastructure and the reliability of the controlling computers. And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? - Yeats, 1919 |
NikM755
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Mr. Predictor
Senior Forum Moderator 11/27/2018 09:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | drop the corp taxes to 0% and raise the personal income taxes to make up the difference, the tax gets passed on anyway "If there is a new fascism, it won't come from skinheads and punks; it will come from people who eat granola and think they know how the world should be." - Brian Eno |
Bucknutty
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EliseM1896
User ID: 75115320 United States 11/27/2018 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But FREE TRADE, FREE MARKETS, UNCHECKED CAPITALISM!!! This is precisely what you get when you get a Trump. This is trickle-down Trumponomics. GM got their tax breaks, the billionaires at the top got richer and the rest of the proles got peed on. Trump cannot legitimately go in and try to legislate a way to stop layoffs at this point. |
Pilgrim001
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NikM755
User ID: 71632887 United States 11/27/2018 09:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But FREE TRADE, FREE MARKETS, UNCHECKED CAPITALISM!!! Quoting: EliseM1896 This is precisely what you get when you get a Trump. This is trickle-down Trumponomics. GM got their tax breaks, the billionaires at the top got richer and the rest of the proles got peed on. Trump cannot legitimately go in and try to legislate a way to stop layoffs at this point. It was Barry Soetoro that bailed out GM. E.G. Barrack Hussein Obama. Trump is saying the government can tell a bailed out by government business that it can do what it wants him to. If you think that is capitalism, you should leave the forums, as you are an idiot. |
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A Non Mouse Co-ed Ward
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Rozumiesz?
User ID: 52680061 United States 11/27/2018 10:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All they need is more taxpayer money! Open your wallet. The more I know, the crazier I appear to be. "THE ONLY WAY TO DEAL WITH AN UNFREE WORLD IS TO BECOME SO ABSOLUTELY FREE THAT YOUR VERY EXISTENCE IS AN ACT OF REBELLION" -ALBERT CAMUS No brains, no pain. The Difference Between Stupidity and Genius Is That Genius Has Its Limits |
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Misspurrrrrect
User ID: 15572297 United States 11/27/2018 10:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But FREE TRADE, FREE MARKETS, UNCHECKED CAPITALISM!!! Quoting: EliseM1896 This is precisely what you get when you get a Trump. This is trickle-down Trumponomics. GM got their tax breaks, the billionaires at the top got richer and the rest of the proles got peed on. Trump cannot legitimately go in and try to legislate a way to stop layoffs at this point. You do realize Elise, that Obama made this into a mess! It was going on a long while before Pres Trump had an opportunity to fix it. Also Capitalism should always be unchecked!!! The only reason capitalism is perceived to not work is because some crooked political dim wit set it up to favor his/her friends! That would most likely be something contrived by a crook to be unlawful ... Capitalism is the best field leveler there is. It is the only thing that gives everyone a fair chance. The opportunities are the same for all. Crony capitalism is a whole different animal. That is the most misunderstood fact of any with the Snowflakes. Anyone older should know better. |
Fifth-and-a-Half Element
User ID: 77103211 United States 11/27/2018 11:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “If I’m elected, you won’t lose one plant, you’ll have plants coming into this country, you’re going to have jobs again, you won’t lose one plant. I promise you. I promise you.” ---Donald Trump, campaign rally in Warren, MI, 10/31/16 [link to www.c-span.org (secure)] |
The Watcher from Earth
User ID: 76436201 United States 11/27/2018 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How sad every Maga supporter is now on their knees in front of Pres Chumps crotch. I used to think globalism was a bad thing years ago. Every company ships work overseas, not even the American flag is made in America. Pres Chump can't save American companies, he'll be cant even save himself from other leaders. Kim, Vladimir and the Saudi Prince should just give him a golden shower. Match the liquid with the combover. Republican party should be renamed Jim Crow party. The Watcher |
phinders
User ID: 73720142 United States 11/27/2018 11:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what kind of socialist post is this. crazy any of you consider yourself conservative, those of you supporting government protecting your jobs from terrible corporations. What are you entitled to work for a shitty corporation? lmao. subsidies? socialism...why the fuck were none of the shitty obama socialist policies fixed? subsidies......socialism. Pathetic the lot of you begging the government to save your job. go be anti socialist and get hired at usajobs cause none of you losing your job are going to get anything even close. maybe write a book, from subsidies to flipping burgers x3 jobs to works 60hrs with no healthcare or overtime. can't wait! go free market!!! |