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User ID: 41276957 United States 11/12/2018 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just got back from Ft Lauderdale. Last night my wife and I were invited to our friend's 5th anniversary party. About 150 people were there. Many people flew down from NY/NJ/CT. We knew some people there including some from my wife's family. It was also a celebration for our friend's father who is a Nam vet who they celebrated as well. Quoting: The Deplorable Nicomachus The party started out nice, hors d'oeuvres, top shelf open bar, mingling with old friends etc. The usual repertoire. Finally dinner was served. By this time the mood had already begun to shift as the topic of politics came up and boy, did it go down from there. I've never seen anything like it. I'm actually still feeling ill over what transpired and it doesn't bode well for this nation. For those who don't wish to read the details of this drama, I'll summarize what about 50% of the people there said--- 1- Trump is bad, Trump is Hitler and a racist. 2- Trump has brought "instability" and has made America "ungovernable." Trump has divided America by race. (Incredible since the media and the Dems are the very ones doing this! NOT TRUMP!!!!!!!!) 3- Trump has ties to Russia and Putin and they want to destroy America. (My head is spinning) 4- "SOCIALISM is the answer." (No really, that was repeated MULTIPLE time as if they are all reading the same leftwing newspaper) 5- America is founded in hate and slavery and unless we give blacks all the political positions things will never change (this from white people) 6- EUROPE is what America should be like. Europe is safe and people are happy. They don't have guns. No crime. No violence. Europe is perfection. (Again this is not an exaggeration or hyperbole. I heard this shit from multiple people, NONE of which have ever lived there as I have and NONE of which watch anything other than MSNBC, ABC etc) Again, none of these people actually LIVED there. They only heard about it from the media. Let that sink in WHO the enemy is. 7- The government should tell you what cars you can and can't buy and FORCE people to buy healthcare so everyone can have healthcare. 8- Ban ALL guns. Even POLICE should not carry guns, but stun guns and pepper spray are ok for Police. Common people SHOULD NOT have access to any weapon. (This told to me by one FAT, recently divorced white female and others agreed with her) 9- Higher taxes are ok if it makes the world a better place. (In other words, the government is the solution too all the world's problems) 10- Letting hundreds of millions of people come into our country is NOT ok (surprising!) but we don't need borders because borders are evil because Trump wants them and they are racist (again, makes no sense since they don't think everyone should come here, but yet a border is not needed..) 11- The media IS biased against Trump and Republicans but that is GOOD because the media is right and the Republicans are bad... 12- World peace can be achieved if all nations give up their weapons and follow the United Nations as a ONE WORLD ORDER. Nation sovereignty is BAD. Nationalism is BAD. Capitalism is BAD. America is BAD. I asked about North Korea, China, Russia etc giving up their weapons. They said they will if America gives up her's first! 13- The government must force people to do things they don't want to do like become vegetarians and drive electric cars to stop global warming. It was suggested that a European like carbon/energy tax is necessary. I asked if people knew that energy is so cost prohibitive in Europe that most people can't afford air-conditioning? They said they did not know that. I asked do poor people have the right to air-conditioning. They said yes they should if everyone else has it. 14- Your individual rights and freedoms are not important. The greater good for all people is more important. Your rights to choose how you want to live is not guaranteed by the US constitution!! I immediately blew up and said YES IT FUCKING IS GO READ IT! They responded that the constitution needs to be rewritten or abolished for a modern global society. The Bill of right is outdated. 15- Christianity is bad. Islam is good. Christianity is bad because it takes a hard line against ABORTION which is a human RIGHT!!! Islam is more open to change than Chrisitianity! Christians need to accept and embrace abortion, even late term. Abortion is the most important human right after health insurance. 16- When our friend's 76 year old father was introduced to celebrate veteran's day, many of these same people didn't bother to get out of their chairs. Clapping was from our side (patriots, the service members that were there). It was awkward as fuck and our friend's father could see it. We all could see it. His daughter definitely saw it. We later congratulated him in person and he was almost in tears because he said people like him are no longer welcome. I said, he will always be invited and loved by REAL Americans. We talked for a long time after and that was the sole bright spot of the evening. 17- Fox news and Breitbart are evil right wing racist news media. They should be banned. Free speech laws needs to be changed. Those are the main points and it created heated discussions. These people have NO clue about the reality of the world. I asked these same people to name ONE working socialist nation. They said Europe. Germany. Sweden. etc. I asked if they knew that people pay 50% income tax there. They said no. I asked if they knew that socialized healthcare creates LONG waits for simple procedures and that more and more Europeans are buying PRIVATE health insurance so they have get better care. They said no except a woman from Canada who said socialized healthcare is actually not that great for the average person but good for poor people only. She was attacked for saying that because the brainwashed sheep said socialized health insurance is so wonderful and human right. I asked if personal liability insurance is a right. They said no. I asked why not. They said because it is not needed. I said health insurance is insurance like any other insurance. I asked what else is a right. They said access to food and water. I said, even if they don't want to work? They said yes. So human rights that should be granted to everyone - abortion, money, food, water, health insurance, housing. Who's going to pay for it? They said everyone. I shook my head in disgust. Moving on to protecting one's life, they said guns are EVIL. I asked what if someone attacks you - do you have the right to defend yourself? They said no, you should run away. I asked if a woman had a knife and was about to get raped should she stab the man. They said NO! She should scream as loud as she can but not take his life. My wife was listening to this one and she just was silent and shocked. She walked away. That was about the time we left which was early. The place was rented until midnight. We left around 10 which is unusual for my wife who lives to dance and usually is burning up the dance floor. But I noted the dance floor was generally empty despite the DJ doing his best work to get people up there. We went back to out hotel and left first thing this morning. In the end, we felt out of place like our nation is dead on the inside already. I only estimate about half of the people were anti-Americans but I could be wrong. The older people there (50+) tended to be patriots and 100000000% Trump supporters. An older man about 60+ said he is ready to retire and join a militia group if it comes to that. All the mil guys I think already are. I think all of the anti-Americans were from NY/NJ/CT. All the patriots were from here in Florida, Georgia. I have a lot more to tell you but that is the gist of last night. I think I'm going to drink myself to sleep tonight... I love all you patriots out there who still love this country! Peace. Florida has always been an odd state. I think there is something in the water that makes normal people nuts over time. |
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Lily o' the Valley
User ID: 77114653 United States 11/12/2018 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We already know that here in Ohio. Everyone around us younger than 40, believes the same. We are shocked, disgusted, alarmed, you name it. Quoting: Mother May I I don't know how it all happened. Obviously it wasn't overnight, but it sure seems like it was. It's because of this that Republicans and Trump better start think about strategies to combat this mentality or it's all over for Republicans in 2020. Get the media back in line, recind the laws that allow propaganda to be be legal, pass federal laws that require civics to be taught in schools, enforce existing laws against sedition. *** Good deeds bring rewards, bad actions bring troubles. That is a law of the universe. *** |
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Slartybartfast
User ID: 76941961 United States 11/12/2018 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | op..i cried, thank you, in UK, we are allowing the freaks who say..let them all in, then, when they are in...we have to adapt to them, give them more rights than we have, house and feed them, let them build mosques, let them abuse our children, let them dictate to us, how to live in our own country, let them make ghettos, sadly its to late, NWO and deep state are winning. Quoting: English Lady At today's remembrance service in uk, black and white kids were on bikes, heads/faces covered, laughing, lots rejoicing so many died in wars. op..a brilliant post, sadly..how can we change things? Not the OP, but the only way to change these people is to teach, teach, teach. Unless, of course, you just want to move to the suburbs and nuke London. I wouldn't suggest that, because, frankly, the Queen looks just like my mom (RIP) & Harry will make a good King. However Charles, who looks just like my 1st Cousin (once removed), is not sane like my 1st Cousin (once removed). I can only remind you that more than one science fiction writer has predicted the death of Europe since before WWI. Saving Britannia will probably require a miracle. But don't weep for the USA. We have guns. ERUDITIO LIBERI TUI EFFLECTUM HOSTIS TUI (By Teaching Your Children, We Destroy Your Enemies) |
Blessed Jael
User ID: 76458000 United States 11/12/2018 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, I was just at a party this weekend, part of a social event I used to be a lot more active in. I already know that 80-90% of the people in this group are liberal Democrats, and about half of those are the foam-at-the-mouth, veins-bulging-in-the-neck type. I pretty much stopped socializing with this group on a regular basis right after the 2016 election. Now I see them maybe 5-6 times a year instead of 1-2 times a week. I'm no rabid Trump supporter (I'm pretty much in the "Reps and Dems both work for the same team" camp) however I absolutely cannot stomach liberals and their emotion-based beliefs. I'm glad you had the energy to debate them. I long ago learned it was a lost cause with this group. I don't have the energy. Now when the talk turns to politics, as it inevitably did this weekend, I just slip out of the room. I can't take it... One of the few other conservatives in this group quit the group altogether right after the election, after a few heated arguments with people he'd been friends with for a long time. |
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User ID: 77084890 United States 11/12/2018 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 5* and green. Many of us have felt the same depressive reaction today. The obvious cheating in vote count going on in Florida, Georgia, and Arizona--and apparent acceptance by the State and federal officials--is enough to bring on much sorrow for our nation. _______________ They let me off with a warning and a couple of bullet holes. |
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User ID: 77113071 Brazil 11/12/2018 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Welcome. You just went through what I've been living here for 20 years in Brazil. And I lived it alone, at least in the United States there are several conservatives still. From about 3, 4 years to here that began to appear conservatives in Brazil. Gloria Fortis Miles Adversor et Admorsus |
nimmerfall
User ID: 72716118 United States 11/12/2018 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm from NY and once in the distant past I did consider myself to be a liberal democrat. Quoting: SkyTiger That was long ago. The current crop of so-called "Liberals" are some of the craziest, illogical, frenzy driven mob mentality nut jobs who have no reasoning abilities and when you disagree with them, automatically throw out the words, racist and bigot and have no debate to offer even if you present them with sound arguments based in documentable fact ! They are impossibly lost, sad and scary and present a real danger not only to the sovereignty of America but to the continued existence of Mankind as we know it... they are THE BORG! . it's because they're Leftists, not liberals. Piercing my heart there is a golden dagger; that is God Piercing God's heart there is a golden needle; that is me |
Arkansassy
User ID: 76716753 United States 11/12/2018 08:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The country is toast. The rule of law is dead. We will finish our descent into banana republic. We will be ruled by one party, criminals, and unhinged mobs of marginally functional illiterates. Quoting: This Is Not Me This Veteran's Day sucked realizing it was all for nothing. You better hope that’s not true, because there’s nowhere left to run. We’re basically the last holdout over this insanity other than Austria and Japan. IDGAF |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76678898 United States 11/12/2018 08:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The country is toast. The rule of law is dead. We will finish our descent into banana republic. We will be ruled by one party, criminals, and unhinged mobs of marginally functional illiterates. Quoting: This Is Not Me This Veteran's Day sucked realizing it was all for nothing. You better hope that’s not true, because there’s nowhere left to run. We’re basically the last holdout over this insanity other than Austria and Japan. People blindly support a political ideology that killed 206 million people. |
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Otto Nous
User ID: 72720602 United States 11/12/2018 08:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NY/NJ/CT ?? Thats no surprise? Aren't most of those pos's supposed to drown soon or something? Those are just the pos black cats that sold thier souls for real peoples money. They're harvest. Its just that they think they are "society" (and they know better) and they think big money, keeps butt kissing, revolting, little money around when they have gotten the money churned up....oh well? They're such horrid souls nobody ever cares? You got the barometer of some lousy commies - They might as well have been saying "Hillary will win" and if there is "agenda", they sure aren't on it. At least - when the wages of thier lives come rolling in, they'll still be furiously delusional and blame me and Trump! Lets see where they are in '20? If they are at all....? (I am thinking (lately) this could go faster than we thought? Done by '24, if you can endure? Don't sit by commies tho) Generalize much? Sooo lazy. And in so abdicating YOUR critical thinking, you become like those you denigrate thus perpetuating the DivideAndConquer. Well done. |
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Otto Nous
User ID: 72720602 United States 11/12/2018 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | most people are sheep and gave up long ago thinking for themselves unless of course it is about only thinking about themselves. Quoting: rosicrucian1 they want to get along because they spent their lives getting along so they could get ahead... they thus follow any shit the media serves up as being true and worth agreeing with so that they are not caught on the wrong side. the group that owns the media has immense power and that is why the right needs their own media now. Not three hours ago, a most conservative NYC vendor (by way of that conservative bastion called Wisconsin) and I were discussing this very issue. Yes critical thinkers, constitutionalists, and classical liberals can be found all over. No part of this country is monolithic; it is the DivideAndConquerors that push that impression. Our current culture is so complex and schizophrenic, it can be difficult for low wattage brains to discern truth. It doesn't help for those of us on the awareness spectrum to cast aspersions at the brainwashed. We must figure out how to break the spell. We arguably have more to lose than they do. It really is time to stop assessing the problem, stand shocked that we have found ourselves here, and get to work pulling people back from the brink. I have taken to Socratically asking Questions. What other forms of intervention are useful? |
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Zark A
User ID: 69952205 United States 11/12/2018 09:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We all know what we have to be prepared to do. You can bet your ass the nihilists are. Quoting: Powder We just joined the American Legion and had the best Veterans Day dinner on Saturday. It is about the only place we socialize anymore. I invited my cousin and wife and they loved the dinner, MIA ceremony, and follow up comedy act. $5 for all you could eat of steak and chicken including desserts. I could hardly get my cousin out of the place because he was talking so much to other vets. Zark |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76678898 United States 11/12/2018 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Man oh man. That is something else. Very sad to hear this. My kids in college are starting to think this way. Very sad state of affairs in this country Quoting: Indiana Jones your going to be having some tense conversations around the dinner table soon. Seems colleges teach you to be not you. |
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MAGA !!!
User ID: 77113702 United States 11/12/2018 09:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Man oh man. That is something else. Very sad to hear this. My kids in college are starting to think this way. Very sad state of affairs in this country Quoting: Indiana Jones the Chinese actually control most of the colleges in this country. I have no idea who can manage to listen to the fat man from Austin or what you think of him ... but today's show would be a good one to see or hear. He was better in his delivery and was serious enough he didn't rant. It was good info ...... Did you Listen? “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ~Seneca PS: I Stole this from another member.... ;) |
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Cartel™
User ID: 77088318 Canada 11/12/2018 09:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Last Edited by Cartel™ on 11/12/2018 09:13 PM Imagine a group of people so disgusting they have to make laws preventing you from hating them :candp2: |
Nonfeminazi
User ID: 77084178 United States 11/12/2018 09:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just got back from Ft Lauderdale. Last night my wife and I were invited to our friend's 5th anniversary party. About 150 people were there. Many people flew down from NY/NJ/CT. We knew some people there including some from my wife's family. It was also a celebration for our friend's father who is a Nam vet who they celebrated as well. Quoting: The Deplorable Nicomachus The party started out nice, hors d'oeuvres, top shelf open bar, mingling with old friends etc. The usual repertoire. Finally dinner was served. By this time the mood had already begun to shift as the topic of politics came up and boy, did it go down from there. I've never seen anything like it. I'm actually still feeling ill over what transpired and it doesn't bode well for this nation. For those who don't wish to read the details of this drama, I'll summarize what about 50% of the people there said--- 1- Trump is bad, Trump is Hitler and a racist. 2- Trump has brought "instability" and has made America "ungovernable." Trump has divided America by race. (Incredible since the media and the Dems are the very ones doing this! NOT TRUMP!!!!!!!!) 3- Trump has ties to Russia and Putin and they want to destroy America. (My head is spinning) 4- "SOCIALISM is the answer." (No really, that was repeated MULTIPLE time as if they are all reading the same leftwing newspaper) 5- America is founded in hate and slavery and unless we give blacks all the political positions things will never change (this from white people) 6- EUROPE is what America should be like. Europe is safe and people are happy. They don't have guns. No crime. No violence. Europe is perfection. (Again this is not an exaggeration or hyperbole. I heard this shit from multiple people, NONE of which have ever lived there as I have and NONE of which watch anything other than MSNBC, ABC etc) Again, none of these people actually LIVED there. They only heard about it from the media. Let that sink in WHO the enemy is. 7- The government should tell you what cars you can and can't buy and FORCE people to buy healthcare so everyone can have healthcare. 8- Ban ALL guns. Even POLICE should not carry guns, but stun guns and pepper spray are ok for Police. Common people SHOULD NOT have access to any weapon. (This told to me by one FAT, recently divorced white female and others agreed with her) 9- Higher taxes are ok if it makes the world a better place. (In other words, the government is the solution too all the world's problems) 10- Letting hundreds of millions of people come into our country is NOT ok (surprising!) but we don't need borders because borders are evil because Trump wants them and they are racist (again, makes no sense since they don't think everyone should come here, but yet a border is not needed..) 11- The media IS biased against Trump and Republicans but that is GOOD because the media is right and the Republicans are bad... 12- World peace can be achieved if all nations give up their weapons and follow the United Nations as a ONE WORLD ORDER. Nation sovereignty is BAD. Nationalism is BAD. Capitalism is BAD. America is BAD. I asked about North Korea, China, Russia etc giving up their weapons. They said they will if America gives up her's first! 13- The government must force people to do things they don't want to do like become vegetarians and drive electric cars to stop global warming. It was suggested that a European like carbon/energy tax is necessary. I asked if people knew that energy is so cost prohibitive in Europe that most people can't afford air-conditioning? They said they did not know that. I asked do poor people have the right to air-conditioning. They said yes they should if everyone else has it. 14- Your individual rights and freedoms are not important. The greater good for all people is more important. Your rights to choose how you want to live is not guaranteed by the US constitution!! I immediately blew up and said YES IT FUCKING IS GO READ IT! They responded that the constitution needs to be rewritten or abolished for a modern global society. The Bill of right is outdated. 15- Christianity is bad. Islam is good. Christianity is bad because it takes a hard line against ABORTION which is a human RIGHT!!! Islam is more open to change than Chrisitianity! Christians need to accept and embrace abortion, even late term. Abortion is the most important human right after health insurance. 16- When our friend's 76 year old father was introduced to celebrate veteran's day, many of these same people didn't bother to get out of their chairs. Clapping was from our side (patriots, the service members that were there). It was awkward as fuck and our friend's father could see it. We all could see it. His daughter definitely saw it. We later congratulated him in person and he was almost in tears because he said people like him are no longer welcome. I said, he will always be invited and loved by REAL Americans. We talked for a long time after and that was the sole bright spot of the evening. 17- Fox news and Breitbart are evil right wing racist news media. They should be banned. Free speech laws needs to be changed. Those are the main points and it created heated discussions. These people have NO clue about the reality of the world. I asked these same people to name ONE working socialist nation. They said Europe. Germany. Sweden. etc. I asked if they knew that people pay 50% income tax there. They said no. I asked if they knew that socialized healthcare creates LONG waits for simple procedures and that more and more Europeans are buying PRIVATE health insurance so they have get better care. They said no except a woman from Canada who said socialized healthcare is actually not that great for the average person but good for poor people only. She was attacked for saying that because the brainwashed sheep said socialized health insurance is so wonderful and human right. I asked if personal liability insurance is a right. They said no. I asked why not. They said because it is not needed. I said health insurance is insurance like any other insurance. I asked what else is a right. They said access to food and water. I said, even if they don't want to work? They said yes. So human rights that should be granted to everyone - abortion, money, food, water, health insurance, housing. Who's going to pay for it? They said everyone. I shook my head in disgust. Moving on to protecting one's life, they said guns are EVIL. I asked what if someone attacks you - do you have the right to defend yourself? They said no, you should run away. I asked if a woman had a knife and was about to get raped should she stab the man. They said NO! She should scream as loud as she can but not take his life. My wife was listening to this one and she just was silent and shocked. She walked away. That was about the time we left which was early. The place was rented until midnight. We left around 10 which is unusual for my wife who lives to dance and usually is burning up the dance floor. But I noted the dance floor was generally empty despite the DJ doing his best work to get people up there. We went back to out hotel and left first thing this morning. In the end, we felt out of place like our nation is dead on the inside already. I only estimate about half of the people were anti-Americans but I could be wrong. The older people there (50+) tended to be patriots and 100000000% Trump supporters. An older man about 60+ said he is ready to retire and join a militia group if it comes to that. All the mil guys I think already are. I think all of the anti-Americans were from NY/NJ/CT. All the patriots were from here in Florida, Georgia. I have a lot more to tell you but that is the gist of last night. I think I'm going to drink myself to sleep tonight... I love all you patriots out there who still love this country! Peace. Sounds like the Dems and the media have succeeded in the hate Trump brainwashing. One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. Plato |
Zark A
User ID: 69952205 United States 11/12/2018 09:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...and friendships. We believe one of our best friends voted for Keith Ellison and other traitors last week. She sucks from the system and wants it to continue instead of getting a real job. I can not stomach to talk to her anymore. She calls every weekend to talk for hours to my wife but I will not answer the phone anymore. My wife has stopped answering too. I never though politics would destroy friendships but call me bad. I don't care anymore. I am at war now. Zark |