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OK, guys, this is the first post I ever started, so be patient.

[link to www.militarytimes.com (secure)]

SecDef Mattis has stated something rather obvious, that China and Russia already HAVE anti-satellite weapons. If there was a war, we could lose critical recon, GPS, and comm capability leading to our defeat.

The USA HAD an ASAT back in the 1970s that was supposedly scrapped.

Some of the "Star Wars" technologies that I worked on in the 1980s when I was an aerospace engineer would be ideal.

Nope, not talking about lasers. The problem with lasers in space is that you need a serious power supply that vibrates. The vibration makes it almost impossible to stay on target to hit something thousands of miles away. Talon Gold proved that.

However, kinetic energy interceptors are very feasible. There is a non-laser directed energy weapon that is all solid state that I would be surprised if we have not tested in space. I don't want to mention what it was here, but I saw it in Popular Science one time.

Note that the treaty only prohibits "weapons of mass destruction", i.e., nukes in space.

However, I do not expect our enemies to follow treaties. For example, in the 1970s the USSR had FOBS (Fractional Orbital Bombardment System) where they could put very large thermonuke warheads in low Earth orbit to be detonated when they passed over the USA. High altitude thermonukes could not only create EMP, but could set entire regions on fire.

OK, GLP Brethren, I know you have opinions.
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OK, guys, this is the first post I ever started, so be patient.

[link to www.militarytimes.com (secure)]

SecDef Mattis has stated something rather obvious, that China and Russia already HAVE anti-satellite weapons. If there was a war, we could lose critical recon, GPS, and comm capability leading to our defeat.

The USA HAD an ASAT back in the 1970s that was supposedly scrapped.

Some of the "Star Wars" technologies that I worked on in the 1980s when I was an aerospace engineer would be ideal.

Nope, not talking about lasers. The problem with lasers in space is that you need a serious power supply that vibrates. The vibration makes it almost impossible to stay on target to hit something thousands of miles away. Talon Gold proved that.

However, kinetic energy interceptors are very feasible. There is a non-laser directed energy weapon that is all solid state that I would be surprised if we have not tested in space. I don't want to mention what it was here, but I saw it in Popular Science one time.

Note that the treaty only prohibits "weapons of mass destruction", i.e., nukes in space.

However, I do not expect our enemies to follow treaties. For example, in the 1970s the USSR had FOBS (Fractional Orbital Bombardment System) where they could put very large thermonuke warheads in low Earth orbit to be detonated when they passed over the USA. High altitude thermonukes could not only create EMP, but could set entire regions on fire.

OK, GLP Brethren, I know you have opinions.
 Quoting: darth


I should add a couple of thoughts.

Back in the 1980s under Reagan, we had a classified program called TimberWind. The plan was to develop a reusable space vehicle that had nuclear-thermal propulsion.

The hydrogen-oxygen chemical engines of the Space Shuttle get about 460 seconds of specific impulse. The NERVA program of 1971 showed that we could use a nuclear-thermal engine with liquid hydrogen as the propellant. Because H2 is the lightest molecule with the highest Mach number, you can get about 900 seconds of specific impulse.

Such a dramatic improvement in propulsion would enable a spaceship the size of an airliner that could take off from a conventional runway and fly straight to low Earth orbit. With refueling on orbit, it could travel anywhere in the inner Solar System including landing on Luna or Mars.

BTW, no staging or drop tanks required.

When the anti-nuke crowd found out about the program, they raised hell and got it canceled.

If we had such a spacecraft with advanced weapons, we could rule the "high ground" and insure victory in terrestrial wars.

Of course, I think we should do it.
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I'm more interested in knowing about the russian FOBS system. Did it ever go operational?? if so why did we not couter it or shoot it down?
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yea its called bb's.just explode bbs at mach speed in orbital sat areas.the rest is falling dragons.whats a million bbs in orbital cannons cost?
with deadman switches.
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I'm more interested in knowing about the russian FOBS system. Did it ever go operational?? if so why did we not couter it or shoot it down?
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I heard about FOBS in briefings, but I doubt the Russians ever launched it with a live nuke. We could detect a nuke and then the diplomatic shit would hit the fan.

Either our intel services found out about it, or we noticed a test satellite and deduced what they were planning to develop.

Note that we were concerned about the NORKS doing something similar.

Our ASAT was capable of shooting it down. Note that our ASAT was launched from a fighter aircraft; therefore, it could hit a satellite anywhere above Earth.
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I'm more interested in knowing about the russian FOBS system. Did it ever go operational?? if so why did we not couter it or shoot it down?
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I heard about FOBS in briefings, but I doubt the Russians ever launched it with a live nuke. We could detect a nuke and then the diplomatic shit would hit the fan.

Either our intel services found out about it, or we noticed a test satellite and deduced what they were planning to develop.

Note that we were concerned about the NORKS doing something similar.

Our ASAT was capable of shooting it down. Note that our ASAT was launched from a fighter aircraft; therefore, it could hit a satellite anywhere above Earth.
 Quoting: darth


Good to know, I look forward to following this more closely


That kinetic weapon better be named Thor's hammer or its

a no go for me!
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yea its called bb's.just explode bbs at mach speed in orbital sat areas.the rest is falling dragons.whats a million bbs in orbital cannons cost?
with deadman switches.
 Quoting: YOUR HANDLER


Space is BIG. You can pollute one orbit but not all.

Most space weapons involve anti-missile missiles, e.g., KEW.

Like I said, space based directed energy is difficult. Large ground based lasers are feasible.

There are many subtle ways to kill enemy spacecraft which do not involve actually destroying them, just making them inoperable.
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darth do you know if Raytheon has that new Anti-Advanced SAM Missile Combo : MALD, JSOW & HARM Combat system up and running yet?
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we got b2s,these scenarios arent adding in actual craft that are up there year round.these are craft less scenarios.
all sats are just police state covering as nat def.if we wanted we could kill off the rest of the world right now.then just take what we want.the chistians would piss and moan but at the end of the day they would fall in line and ask jebus for forgiveness.
bottom line its all a shitshow to keep us busy.
im not god but i play one on glp.
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SPACE FORCE all the way baby
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darth do you know if Raytheon has that new Anti-Advanced SAM Missile Combo : MALD, JSOW & HARM Combat system up and running yet?
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Nope, you gotta remember, I retired from aerospace 16 years ago. I have owned manufacturing companies since then.

If you have a strong interest, Aviation Week (aka Aviation Secrets Weekly) is the bible of the aerospace industry.
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darth do you know if Raytheon has that new Anti-Advanced SAM Missile Combo : MALD, JSOW & HARM Combat system up and running yet?
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Nope, you gotta remember, I retired from aerospace 16 years ago. I have owned manufacturing companies since then.

If you have a strong interest, Aviation Week (aka Aviation Secrets Weekly) is the bible of the aerospace industry.
 Quoting: darth


have you seen this system or heard about it


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Mattis is the new Patton.
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I just wonder if it might already being

used in syria to defeat the Russian s-400
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darth do you know if Raytheon has that new Anti-Advanced SAM Missile Combo : MALD, JSOW & HARM Combat system up and running yet?
 Quoting: jake


Nope, you gotta remember, I retired from aerospace 16 years ago. I have owned manufacturing companies since then.

If you have a strong interest, Aviation Week (aka Aviation Secrets Weekly) is the bible of the aerospace industry.
 Quoting: darth


have you seen this system or heard about it


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Sorry, I am not current. Will watch your video.

I mainly serve as a historical reference and a technical consultant.

Remember, the most important tech is NOT going to be on Utube or the internet. However, there is a lot of hype and intentional BS out there to fool the sheeple.

Misleading our enemies is a good thing. I used to do it all the time. Disinformation, a very good word.

I don't mean to be insulting, but the really interesting stories and tech are classified, the more interesting, the more highly classified. And the people who really KNOW will not utter a word.

For example, I know which missiles and sensors were being tested when TWA 800 was accidentally shot down. I was briefed BEFORE those programs disappeared into the black hole. Nope, cannot say which missile or sensor, but it was obvious to me how the test went wrong.

It is critical in the 21st century that people develop TOLERANCE OF AMBIGUITY. There is much that we do not know and CANNOT know.

As Yoda says, "With it, you must deal".
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darth do you know if Raytheon has that new Anti-Advanced SAM Missile Combo : MALD, JSOW & HARM Combat system up and running yet?
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Nope, you gotta remember, I retired from aerospace 16 years ago. I have owned manufacturing companies since then.

If you have a strong interest, Aviation Week (aka Aviation Secrets Weekly) is the bible of the aerospace industry.
 Quoting: darth


have you seen this system or heard about it


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OK, watched it. Very slick sales pitch from Raytheon. They are an amazing company with a lot of innovation.

Once, I was talking to a Raytheon exec, and he explained why they were not very interested in bidding on NASA programs, "With a NASA contract, I am lucky to keep 3% profit after all allowable expenses. With black programs, we make up to 20% profit. Where would YOU invest? What is YOUR responsibility to the shareholders?"
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OK, guys, this is the first post I ever started, so be patient.

[link to www.militarytimes.com (secure)]

SecDef Mattis has stated something rather obvious, that China and Russia already HAVE anti-satellite weapons. If there was a war, we could lose critical recon, GPS, and comm capability leading to our defeat.

The USA HAD an ASAT back in the 1970s that was supposedly scrapped.

Some of the "Star Wars" technologies that I worked on in the 1980s when I was an aerospace engineer would be ideal.

Nope, not talking about lasers. The problem with lasers in space is that you need a serious power supply that vibrates. The vibration makes it almost impossible to stay on target to hit something thousands of miles away. Talon Gold proved that.

However, kinetic energy interceptors are very feasible. There is a non-laser directed energy weapon that is all solid state that I would be surprised if we have not tested in space. I don't want to mention what it was here, but I saw it in Popular Science one time.

Note that the treaty only prohibits "weapons of mass destruction", i.e., nukes in space.

However, I do not expect our enemies to follow treaties. For example, in the 1970s the USSR had FOBS (Fractional Orbital Bombardment System) where they could put very large thermonuke warheads in low Earth orbit to be detonated when they passed over the USA. High altitude thermonukes could not only create EMP, but could set entire regions on fire.

OK, GLP Brethren, I know you have opinions.
 Quoting: darth


I should add a couple of thoughts.

Back in the 1980s under Reagan, we had a classified program called TimberWind. The plan was to develop a reusable space vehicle that had nuclear-thermal propulsion.

The hydrogen-oxygen chemical engines of the Space Shuttle get about 460 seconds of specific impulse. The NERVA program of 1971 showed that we could use a nuclear-thermal engine with liquid hydrogen as the propellant. Because H2 is the lightest molecule with the highest Mach number, you can get about 900 seconds of specific impulse.

Such a dramatic improvement in propulsion would enable a spaceship the size of an airliner that could take off from a conventional runway and fly straight to low Earth orbit. With refueling on orbit, it could travel anywhere in the inner Solar System including landing on Luna or Mars.

BTW, no staging or drop tanks required.

When the anti-nuke crowd found out about the program, they raised hell and got it canceled.

If we had such a spacecraft with advanced weapons, we could rule the "high ground" and insure victory in terrestrial wars.

Of course, I think we should do it.
 Quoting: darth


I wouldn't be surprised if this was/is in use. Traveling around the solar system program stopped due to tree huggers? OR, they have another system up and running. Those TR-3Bs are showing up everywhere of late.

BTW, beat the heck out of my first post, gj.
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OK, guys, this is the first post I ever started, so be patient.

[link to www.militarytimes.com (secure)]

SecDef Mattis has stated something rather obvious, that China and Russia already HAVE anti-satellite weapons. If there was a war, we could lose critical recon, GPS, and comm capability leading to our defeat.

The USA HAD an ASAT back in the 1970s that was supposedly scrapped.

Some of the "Star Wars" technologies that I worked on in the 1980s when I was an aerospace engineer would be ideal.

Nope, not talking about lasers. The problem with lasers in space is that you need a serious power supply that vibrates. The vibration makes it almost impossible to stay on target to hit something thousands of miles away. Talon Gold proved that.

However, kinetic energy interceptors are very feasible. There is a non-laser directed energy weapon that is all solid state that I would be surprised if we have not tested in space. I don't want to mention what it was here, but I saw it in Popular Science one time.

Note that the treaty only prohibits "weapons of mass destruction", i.e., nukes in space.

However, I do not expect our enemies to follow treaties. For example, in the 1970s the USSR had FOBS (Fractional Orbital Bombardment System) where they could put very large thermonuke warheads in low Earth orbit to be detonated when they passed over the USA. High altitude thermonukes could not only create EMP, but could set entire regions on fire.

OK, GLP Brethren, I know you have opinions.
 Quoting: darth


I should add a couple of thoughts.

Back in the 1980s under Reagan, we had a classified program called TimberWind. The plan was to develop a reusable space vehicle that had nuclear-thermal propulsion.

The hydrogen-oxygen chemical engines of the Space Shuttle get about 460 seconds of specific impulse. The NERVA program of 1971 showed that we could use a nuclear-thermal engine with liquid hydrogen as the propellant. Because H2 is the lightest molecule with the highest Mach number, you can get about 900 seconds of specific impulse.

Such a dramatic improvement in propulsion would enable a spaceship the size of an airliner that could take off from a conventional runway and fly straight to low Earth orbit. With refueling on orbit, it could travel anywhere in the inner Solar System including landing on Luna or Mars.

BTW, no staging or drop tanks required.

When the anti-nuke crowd found out about the program, they raised hell and got it canceled.

If we had such a spacecraft with advanced weapons, we could rule the "high ground" and insure victory in terrestrial wars.

Of course, I think we should do it.
 Quoting: darth


I wouldn't be surprised if this was/is in use. Traveling around the solar system program stopped due to tree huggers? OR, they have another system up and running. Those TR-3Bs are showing up everywhere of late.

BTW, beat the heck out of my first post, gj.
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Yes, Timberwind was stopped by anti-nuke activists and dims. Remember that dims controlled the House at the time of Reagan.
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WHO?
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Please expand on your question.

Who am I? I am darth, a retired aerospace engineer. I used to design things that made our enemies ask, "WTF just happened? Our satellite just died."

As mentioned, we experimented with some great weapon systems (not lasers) that can quietly knock out sats and nukes.

I briefly worked on a real cloaking device. Not sure if it was feasible. Went black ASAP.

Our enemies have no clue what aces we have up our sleeves.

I pray they are rational and choose peace.
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