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Why The Claim That “Jesus Never Existed” Is Complete Nonsense

 
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Why The Claim That “Jesus Never Existed” Is Complete Nonsense
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Very good podcast re the nonsensical challenges heard on the internet. I have heard "Jesus never existed" from otherwise rational folk.
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“MORE THAN A THIRD OF PEOPLE (39%) THOUGHT JESUS WAS A MYTHICAL FIGURE, RATHER THAN ACTUALLY EXISTING IN HISTORY. THIS WAS PARTICULARLY THE CASE FOR UNDER-35S, WHO WERE 25% MORE LIKELY TO THINK JESUS DIDN’T ACTUALLY EXIST THAN THOSE AGED 36 AND ABOVE.”

[link to scottmsullivan.com]
NEW POLL: 40% THINK JESUS NEVER EXISTED
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“MORE THAN A THIRD OF PEOPLE (39%) THOUGHT JESUS WAS A MYTHICAL FIGURE, RATHER THAN ACTUALLY EXISTING IN HISTORY. THIS WAS PARTICULARLY THE CASE FOR UNDER-35S, WHO WERE 25% MORE LIKELY TO THINK JESUS DIDN’T ACTUALLY EXIST THAN THOSE AGED 36 AND ABOVE.”

[link to scottmsullivan.com]
NEW POLL: 40% THINK JESUS NEVER EXISTED
 Quoting: Kirk


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Can you give a summary? The archaeological evidence and the historical record give overwhelming support, but a lot of people get caught up into that Horus BS that some atheists were peddling for a quick buck.
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“Can you give a summary? The archaeological evidence and the historical record give overwhelming support”
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No they don’t...
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I mean it's possible he existed but also wasn't the son of God, it's the son of God thing that's a little harder to prove. The Romans kept excellent tax records.
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He was a composite of several persons who really did exist. So in a way you could say he existed.
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Yeah, it makes total sense that a homeless, illiterate, ex-construction worker created a religion big enough to base our calendar system on.
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Can you give a summary? The archaeological evidence and the historical record give overwhelming support, but a lot of people get caught up into that Horus BS that some atheists were peddling for a quick buck.
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The exact opposite of this is actually the truth. There is ZERO evidence of a "historical" Jesus.
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Can you give a summary? The archaeological evidence and the historical record give overwhelming support, but a lot of people get caught up into that Horus BS that some atheists were peddling for a quick buck.
 Quoting: SevenThunders


The exact opposite of this is actually the truth. There is ZERO evidence of a "historical" Jesus.
 Quoting: UrTard Dume


That's not true. Texts referencing him from later in that century are evidence, even if you don't believe it. All historical ecidence is based on written texts by definition.
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I agree, Jesus Mendez lives in Nogales, Mexico
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What if, instead of there being no Jesus, there was actually two?

There are a lot of conflicting stories about the guy. For example some say he never married or had kids while other evidence suggests he married Mary Magdalene and had a daughter with her. Then there is the story that he was crucified while some say that never happened and he travelled east eventually dying somewhere around India.

So what if this is all true and the Jesus in the bible, is in fact, a composite of two men?
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The Jesus who went to India was Apollonius of Tyana.
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“MORE THAN A THIRD OF PEOPLE (39%) THOUGHT JESUS WAS A MYTHICAL FIGURE, RATHER THAN ACTUALLY EXISTING IN HISTORY. THIS WAS PARTICULARLY THE CASE FOR UNDER-35S, WHO WERE 25% MORE LIKELY TO THINK JESUS DIDN’T ACTUALLY EXIST THAN THOSE AGED 36 AND ABOVE.”

[link to scottmsullivan.com]
NEW POLL: 40% THINK JESUS NEVER EXISTED
 Quoting: Kirk


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Solar mythos, sun in Pisces
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there is ZERO proof, only writings by a couple of Roman historians, and there's no way to know if they told the truth or if their writing was edited later ... NO PROOF AT ALL


however, there is proof the book you base all this on is mostly re-told stories from an older religion
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there is ZERO proof, only writings by a couple of Roman historians, and there's no way to know if they told the truth or if their writing was edited later ... NO PROOF AT ALL


however, there is proof the book you base all this on is mostly re-told stories from an older religion
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Get your own spiritual experiences like me and you will know the truth. He does exist. Many people with real experiences know that aswell.
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Re: Why The Claim That “Jesus Never Existed” Is Complete Nonsense
there is ZERO proof, only writings by a couple of Roman historians, and there's no way to know if they told the truth or if their writing was edited later ... NO PROOF AT ALL


however, there is proof the book you base all this on is mostly re-told stories from an older religion
 Quoting: PO'd

Get your own spiritual experiences like me and you will know the truth. He does exist. Many people with real experiences know that aswell.
 Quoting: Sceptered Fish


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Re: Why The Claim That “Jesus Never Existed” Is Complete Nonsense
there is ZERO proof, only writings by a couple of Roman historians, and there's no way to know if they told the truth or if their writing was edited later ... NO PROOF AT ALL


however, there is proof the book you base all this on is mostly re-told stories from an older religion
 Quoting: PO'd

Get your own spiritual experiences like me and you will know the truth. He does exist. Many people with real experiences know that aswell.
 Quoting: Sceptered Fish


Btw, "spiritual" or other similar experiences don't mean a whole lot.

I've been through the strangest goofball crap you can imagine, and they turned out to be bunk.

And trust me, they were very convincing.

Doesn't mean a whole lot in the end.

One of these is in my signature btw.

Last Edited by _1987_ on 09/22/2018 02:49 AM
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~ John Wesley Hanson - Universalism p. 61

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I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

PS. I am not religious.
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Re: Why The Claim That “Jesus Never Existed” Is Complete Nonsense
there is ZERO proof, only writings by a couple of Roman historians, and there's no way to know if they told the truth or if their writing was edited later ... NO PROOF AT ALL
 Quoting: PO'd


Most modern historians think that Jesus existed, based on those Roman (and Jewish in one case) sources.

I'm an atheist, and I don't see why it matters if Jesus existed or not, because even if he did he was just a man.

My view is that he was a radical preacher who pissed off the authorities enough that they killed him. Which is the last thing they should have done, because that - metaphorically - is what made him live forever.
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Doesn't really matter, what others believe....

Think you're going to bring souls to The Lord?

Bullshit!


If you read Matthew 16:13-20, you will find that Knowing WHO Jesus IS is a matter of each person's heart. Jesus Asks The Apostles: "WHO do you say I Am?"

Jesus Marvels that Peter KNOWS... Peter says : "Thou art The Christ, Son of The Living God"

Jesus Says that "Only The Father could have Put that Knowledge on Peter's heart." Then HE cautions them not to reveal WHO HE IS to anyone else...

So...

It simply proves anyone who seeks to convert someone who has no belief, is themself not yet Born-Again.

God's Will is that not everyone should See/Hear The Gospel. There's more in Matt 13:11-15... This is where Jesus Says HE Teaches using parables so that those who can't Hear/See The Gospel with their heart WON'T Get It! HE Says, "Lest they should understand and be converted and (then) I should have to heal them!"

You can witness God's Truth to anyone, but they either recognize HIS Truth, (because Father Has Called them Unto HIM), or they won't.

If they won't/don't, so what?

God's Will IS ALWAYS Perfect! Always! ALL WAYS!!!


I don't care who chooses not to believe or who chooses to ignore my witness. I give it. That is what counts. Serving God's Will, not seeking my own will over HIS.

This is Laodicea.
Most Christians are either cold or lukewarm. In Rev ch 3, Jesus Witnesses that Laodiceans who are lukewarm will face Rejection... Or doesn't being "Spewn Forth From MY Mouth" signal rejection to you? Spat out, like projectile vomiting... Put another way, the "flavor" of most Laodiceans is repulsive and violently objectionable to God.


What matters?
Not your conversions of others.

Your own conversion.. Your own decision to Trust God Fully and surrender your life and your self-will Unto The Father. Can you Trust HIM with all you are and all you ever will be? Can you Seek HIM in earnest prayer and Tell HIM So?

Time to take action, if you ever will.

These are The Final Moments of The Final Moments.


St. Paul in Hebrews 12:5-10 Says that those who resist/refuse The Father's Chastisement and Guidance are "Bastards not Sons". All who become Partakers Of HIS Holiness were Guided and Disciplined BY Father-God.

Not yet Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again yourself?

Oh well...


Marantha!!!





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