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When You Have A Hard Time Forgiving Someone....

 
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The poster can't accept the Truth so tries to justify her beliefs for why it is wrong. But the Truth still remains despite her denial.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Eliminating all women and replacing them with mechanical wombs is the next logical step.
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The poster can't accept the Truth so tries to justify her beliefs for why it is wrong. But the Truth still remains despite her denial.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Eliminating all women and replacing them with mechanical wombs is the next logical step.
 Quoting: Asmodée


Artificial wombs is a better wording. They are already on the way, although I doubt that would result or require the elimination of women.
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Artificial wombs is a better wording. They are already on the way, although I doubt that would result or require the elimination of women.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


If God created woman as a soulless helpmeet then the invention of artificial reproduction and realistic sex dolls would mandate their disposal, as they would have no function and be simply worthless eaters.
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Artificial wombs is a better wording. They are already on the way, although I doubt that would result or require the elimination of women.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


If God created woman as a soulless helpmeet then the invention of artificial reproduction and realistic sex dolls would mandate their disposal, as they would have no function and be simply worthless eaters.
 Quoting: Asmodée


The logic eliminates everyone. Groups thinking it applies to only themselves is the engine that makes such thinking possible. And before anyone speaks to the irony or obliviousness of my statement, one can only 'say' they are the good guys.
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The poster can't accept the Truth so tries to justify her beliefs for why it is wrong. But the Truth still remains despite her denial.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


I'm not a woman, but...yikes. I would think that laws like that would figure into your notions of individual and cultural inequality. But you're Irish, and I've heard what some of your judges have said in cases like the above. U.P.: up!
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


What nonsense are you speaking?
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


I'm saying, being from Ireland, it is only natural that you would support this kind of treatment of women. This should, in my opinion, qualify your culture as 'less-than' those that don't on the 'natural order of things.' U.P. = Ulster Protestant, the 'troubles' being a good way to limit the violence you espouse to those...most understanding of it.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


You are clearly an imbecile for we don't have partial justice over here. Every crime is prosecuted the same. You only revealed your anti-Irish prejudices. Words are cheap as well.
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The poster can't accept the Truth so tries to justify her beliefs for why it is wrong. But the Truth still remains despite her denial.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Eliminating all women and replacing them with mechanical wombs is the next logical step.
 Quoting: Asmodée


Hell no, I love women.
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I'm not a woman, but...yikes. I would think that laws like that would figure into your notions of individual and cultural inequality. But you're Irish, and I've heard what some of your judges have said in cases like the above. U.P.: up!
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


What nonsense are you speaking?
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


I'm saying, being from Ireland, it is only natural that you would support this kind of treatment of women. This should, in my opinion, qualify your culture as 'less-than' those that don't on the 'natural order of things.' U.P. = Ulster Protestant, the 'troubles' being a good way to limit the violence you espouse to those...most understanding of it.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


You are clearly an imbecile for we don't have partial justice over here. Every crime is prosecuted the same. You only revealed your anti-Irish prejudices. Words are cheap as well.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


A brief internet search provides ample evidence of my statement from your own countrymen. The English are better, and a believer in a natural order ought to admit as much.
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What nonsense are you speaking?
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I'm saying, being from Ireland, it is only natural that you would support this kind of treatment of women. This should, in my opinion, qualify your culture as 'less-than' those that don't on the 'natural order of things.' U.P. = Ulster Protestant, the 'troubles' being a good way to limit the violence you espouse to those...most understanding of it.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


You are clearly an imbecile for we don't have partial justice over here. Every crime is prosecuted the same. You only revealed your anti-Irish prejudices. Words are cheap as well.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


A brief internet search provides ample evidence of my statement from your own countrymen. The English are better, and a believer in a natural order ought to admit as much.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


Prove it. Lol what part of the natural order offends you and why?

Also, your silly games won't work on me clown. Laughing at you right now.

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Are you offended by the natural order because you are inferior to it? Lol
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Forgiveness normally comes pretty easy for me. Mostly because I know most mistakes are borne out of ignorance or misunderstanding.

Now if they are just evil fuckers then I offer no forgiveness.




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Personally, I think forgiveness like goodness and evil, has to do with activity. If someone refuses to do something for you, that really isn't in the purview of forgiveness. Of course, we can retool that to justify vengeance in whatever way we'd like...isn't that right?
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


Does a lack of forgiveness mean vengeance is a necessity? I think you can not forgive someone without seeking vengeance or retribution. But I agree vengeance or even forgiveness will vary depending on the person.
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I'm saying, being from Ireland, it is only natural that you would support this kind of treatment of women. This should, in my opinion, qualify your culture as 'less-than' those that don't on the 'natural order of things.' U.P. = Ulster Protestant, the 'troubles' being a good way to limit the violence you espouse to those...most understanding of it.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


You are clearly an imbecile for we don't have partial justice over here. Every crime is prosecuted the same. You only revealed your anti-Irish prejudices. Words are cheap as well.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


A brief internet search provides ample evidence of my statement from your own countrymen. The English are better, and a believer in a natural order ought to admit as much.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


Prove it. Lol what part of the natural order offends you and why?

Also, your silly games won't work on me clown. Laughing at you right now.

Simps
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


I don't hate the natural order, outside of the fact that everyone thinks they are at the top of it when they stump for it. And what do you wish me to prove? That the English are superior, or that it's shitty to be a woman in your country? The English beat you at conventional war; that ought to be enough. Your country is third world, is kept from starving by the EU, and their main export is communist and terrorist politicians.
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Forgiveness normally comes pretty easy for me. Mostly because I know most mistakes are borne out of ignorance or misunderstanding.

Now if they are just evil fuckers then I offer no forgiveness.




 Quoting: Surfer 7


Personally, I think forgiveness like goodness and evil, has to do with activity. If someone refuses to do something for you, that really isn't in the purview of forgiveness. Of course, we can retool that to justify vengeance in whatever way we'd like...isn't that right?
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


Does a lack of forgiveness mean vengeance is a necessity? I think you can not forgive someone without seeking vengeance or retribution. But I agree vengeance or even forgiveness will vary depending on the person.
 Quoting: Surfer 7


There is an opinion that refusing to help someone who has hurt you, even deliberately is some sort of sin. I don't hold by it, and think that those who do are holding a torch for the violent, aggressive and remorseless individuals of their society and this comes at the remainder's expense. Eventually, their support requires treachery to good people. What can I say? It's a real moral conflict.
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You are clearly an imbecile for we don't have partial justice over here. Every crime is prosecuted the same. You only revealed your anti-Irish prejudices. Words are cheap as well.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


A brief internet search provides ample evidence of my statement from your own countrymen. The English are better, and a believer in a natural order ought to admit as much.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


Prove it. Lol what part of the natural order offends you and why?

Also, your silly games won't work on me clown. Laughing at you right now.

Simps
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


I don't hate the natural order, outside of the fact that everyone thinks they are at the top of it when they stump for it. And what do you wish me to prove? That the English are superior, or that it's shitty to be a woman in your country? The English beat you at conventional war; that ought to be enough. Your country is third world, is kept from starving by the EU, and their main export is communist and terrorist politicians.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


You clearly are threatened by it. Good.

Soon you fools will submit to it either way.

Prove what you said about my country men.

My small nation brought the British empire to the table. We achieved our free state. The Its brought the Brita to the table and won equal rights. I call that a double victory. My nation is a first world nation and one of the richest in Europe with the fastest growing economy. My people seeded your nation as their second largest immigrant group after Germans. Our freedom fighters and brave valiant warriors did us proud. Try harder clown!
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The poster can't accept the Truth so tries to justify her beliefs for why it is wrong. But the Truth still remains despite her denial.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Eliminating all women and replacing them with mechanical wombs is the next logical step.
 Quoting: Asmodée


Nothing wrong with trying to understand yourself and why you made the choices you did in life. I think that's what she is doing posting this and was looking for feedback by sharing her experience and thoughts.

And this is best you come up with to help her, to try and tear her down? Judge not lest thee be judged, but remember we can be some harsh critics should you put yourself in the lime light.
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A brief internet search provides ample evidence of my statement from your own countrymen. The English are better, and a believer in a natural order ought to admit as much.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


Prove it. Lol what part of the natural order offends you and why?

Also, your silly games won't work on me clown. Laughing at you right now.

Simps
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


I don't hate the natural order, outside of the fact that everyone thinks they are at the top of it when they stump for it. And what do you wish me to prove? That the English are superior, or that it's shitty to be a woman in your country? The English beat you at conventional war; that ought to be enough. Your country is third world, is kept from starving by the EU, and their main export is communist and terrorist politicians.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


You clearly are threatened by it. Good.

Soon you fools will submit to it either way.

Prove what you said about my country men.

My small nation brought the British empire to the table. We achieved our free state. The Ira brought the Brits to the table and won equal rights. I call that a double victory. My nation is a first world nation and one of the richest in Europe with the fastest growing economy. My people seeded your nation as their second largest immigrant group after Germans. Our freedom fighters and brave valiant warriors did us proud. Try harder clown!
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May I remind you your nation is in 21 trillion debt. Don't make me laugh.
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A brief internet search provides ample evidence of my statement from your own countrymen. The English are better, and a believer in a natural order ought to admit as much.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


Prove it. Lol what part of the natural order offends you and why?

Also, your silly games won't work on me clown. Laughing at you right now.

Simps
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


I don't hate the natural order, outside of the fact that everyone thinks they are at the top of it when they stump for it. And what do you wish me to prove? That the English are superior, or that it's shitty to be a woman in your country? The English beat you at conventional war; that ought to be enough. Your country is third world, is kept from starving by the EU, and their main export is communist and terrorist politicians.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


You clearly are threatened by it. Good.

Soon you fools will submit to it either way.

Prove what you said about my country men.

My small nation brought the British empire to the table. We achieved our free state. The Its brought the Brita to the table and won equal rights. I call that a double victory. My nation is a first world nation and one of the richest in Europe with the fastest growing economy. My people seeded your nation as their second largest immigrant group after Germans. Our freedom fighters and brave valiant warriors did us proud. Try harder clown!
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper

I'm not threatened by it, only disgusted. I don't like Catholics, and especially not those who are hypocrites. Your country is demonstrably third world, you only need look at the YouTube videos they themselves make. Terrorism is the way that people who cannot win a conventional war fight. It's neither brave nor valiant. And your largest immigrant group status is under threat as we speak, is it not? One hopes that they can assimilate to our values better than you did.
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Prove it. Lol what part of the natural order offends you and why?

Also, your silly games won't work on me clown. Laughing at you right now.

Simps
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


I don't hate the natural order, outside of the fact that everyone thinks they are at the top of it when they stump for it. And what do you wish me to prove? That the English are superior, or that it's shitty to be a woman in your country? The English beat you at conventional war; that ought to be enough. Your country is third world, is kept from starving by the EU, and their main export is communist and terrorist politicians.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


You clearly are threatened by it. Good.

Soon you fools will submit to it either way.

Prove what you said about my country men.

My small nation brought the British empire to the table. We achieved our free state. The Ira brought the Brits to the table and won equal rights. I call that a double victory. My nation is a first world nation and one of the richest in Europe with the fastest growing economy. My people seeded your nation as their second largest immigrant group after Germans. Our freedom fighters and brave valiant warriors did us proud. Try harder clown!
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


May I remind you your nation is in 21 trillion debt. Don't make me laugh.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


[link to www.irishtimes.com (secure)]
Your country has one percent of our population and one percent of our debt.
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Prove it. Lol what part of the natural order offends you and why?

Also, your silly games won't work on me clown. Laughing at you right now.

Simps
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


I don't hate the natural order, outside of the fact that everyone thinks they are at the top of it when they stump for it. And what do you wish me to prove? That the English are superior, or that it's shitty to be a woman in your country? The English beat you at conventional war; that ought to be enough. Your country is third world, is kept from starving by the EU, and their main export is communist and terrorist politicians.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


You clearly are threatened by it. Good.

Soon you fools will submit to it either way.

Prove what you said about my country men.

My small nation brought the British empire to the table. We achieved our free state. The Its brought the Brita to the table and won equal rights. I call that a double victory. My nation is a first world nation and one of the richest in Europe with the fastest growing economy. My people seeded your nation as their second largest immigrant group after Germans. Our freedom fighters and brave valiant warriors did us proud. Try harder clown!
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper

I'm not threatened by it, only disgusted. I don't like Catholics, and especially not those who are hypocrites. Your country is demonstrably third world, you only need look at the YouTube videos they themselves make. Terrorism is the way that people who cannot win a conventional war fight. It's neither brave nor valiant. And your largest immigrant group status is under threat as we speak, is it not? One hopes that they can assimilate to our values better than you did.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


You act like you are. Funny enough, I am a protestant. Not a Catholic but I wouldn't expect an ignorant fool like you to not presume otherwise. You have not shown how I am a hypocrite. How am i? And lol again, we are a first world nation. So don't just parrot your nonsense.

Lol you only need to look at youtube videos to know? You are a pea brain. You black by any chance?

It's the only thing that makes sense. Gorilla warfare was the best way to fight the war since Britain is so much larger than Ireland. We did pretty well. One British General describing the Ira as the most sophisticated terrorist organisation. And most Irish Americans are not immigrants but citizens retard.
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I don't hate the natural order, outside of the fact that everyone thinks they are at the top of it when they stump for it. And what do you wish me to prove? That the English are superior, or that it's shitty to be a woman in your country? The English beat you at conventional war; that ought to be enough. Your country is third world, is kept from starving by the EU, and their main export is communist and terrorist politicians.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


You clearly are threatened by it. Good.

Soon you fools will submit to it either way.

Prove what you said about my country men.

My small nation brought the British empire to the table. We achieved our free state. The Ira brought the Brits to the table and won equal rights. I call that a double victory. My nation is a first world nation and one of the richest in Europe with the fastest growing economy. My people seeded your nation as their second largest immigrant group after Germans. Our freedom fighters and brave valiant warriors did us proud. Try harder clown!
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


May I remind you your nation is in 21 trillion debt. Don't make me laugh.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


[link to www.irishtimes.com (secure)]
Your country has one percent of our population and one percent of our debt.
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Your point being? You are not America moron.
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You clearly are threatened by it. Good.

Soon you fools will submit to it either way.

Prove what you said about my country men.

My small nation brought the British empire to the table. We achieved our free state. The Ira brought the Brits to the table and won equal rights. I call that a double victory. My nation is a first world nation and one of the richest in Europe with the fastest growing economy. My people seeded your nation as their second largest immigrant group after Germans. Our freedom fighters and brave valiant warriors did us proud. Try harder clown!
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


May I remind you your nation is in 21 trillion debt. Don't make me laugh.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


[link to www.irishtimes.com (secure)]
Your country has one percent of our population and one percent of our debt.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


Your point being? You are not America moron.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper

My point is that your greatest contribution to our heritage may very well be our debt. I repeat: yours is a third-world country. [link to www.thejournal.ie]
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I like America and have family living there legally and like Americans in general so you won't bait me into insulting it. You are just an irrelevant asshole.
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May I remind you your nation is in 21 trillion debt. Don't make me laugh.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


[link to www.irishtimes.com (secure)]
Your country has one percent of our population and one percent of our debt.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


Your point being? You are not America moron.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper

My point is that your greatest contribution to our heritage may very well be our debt. I repeat: yours is a third-world country. [link to www.thejournal.ie]
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


Did your mother drop you on your head as a child?
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I like America and have family living there legally and like Americans in general so you won't bait me into insulting it. You are just an irrelevant asshole.
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There were no immigration laws when the Irish came over, and they and their vote were instrumental in instituting them, which helped them to artificially limit competition for legacy union jobs. This whole 'illegal' rant is garbage, and will only lead to increasing the national debt and eroding personal liberty.
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When I was overwhelmed with anger I turned towards God and asked Him to 'show' me each of them from 'His' point of view. Every time I 'saw' a vision of them as a 'child' and what they went through as children. That gave me a whole DIFFERENT perspective and melted my heart.
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That doesn't work. If everyone only did bad things, because someone else before them did bad things... then who was the FIRST person to do bad things?

And how has it SPREAD so much that everyone is doing bad things when only one person was originally so bad? Could one person have harmed someone else so much that billions of people in the future are enacting his original evil?

NONE OF THAT MAKES SENSE.

Obviously... people ALL THE TIME CHOOSE to do bad things.

It's nothing to do with whatever they suffered as a child. Really is not. The suffering only teaches them HOW to be evil. It's training.

Like going to karate lessons. You get hit... in order to learn how to hit others.

Life is their karate lesson. They suffer, in order to learn how to cause suffering to others. BUT they are causing GREATER SUFFERING ON PURPOSE TO PEOPLE WHO DID NOT CHOOSE TO SUFFER. But they chose it in the first place.

I'm just making ideas add up and make sense, that's all.

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Anyhow, I understand the need for forgiveness. It can be bad to carry resentment around with you all the time.

Although I made hating evil people work... for a very very long time. Everything GOOD i got in life I got from hating evil people and making THEM SUFFER INSTEAD.

It's not the answer I agree with you. But you never managed to make evil people suffer. I did. If you had, you'd have learnt HOW FUN AND GLORIOUS IT IS to make evil shits suffer their own misery and insanity. How HEALING IT IS.

So if hating evil people is so great, why do I say it's not the answer?

well... it's complicated. All I can say is, it's a long part of a long journey in the right direction. But it's not the end goal. True peace is the end goal.

However, you cannot have true-peace until you learnt how to make evil people suffer instead, first.

But no one really chooses to. Or, few do. They are all doing much better though, than the ones who didn't fight back.

We have emotions for a reason, you know. If the emotion of hate had no purpose, why would anyone have it.

But it's still not the end-goal. The end-goal is complex... i don't understand it just yet.

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I don't think it's so much about forgiving people because forgiving people is the answer, so much as knowing they are going to suffer anyhow, so... I might as well forgive them. Cos... they are gonna "pay" one way or another. >:)

But you can't forgive someone until you are assured you've set up a system to make them pay.
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I see you conveniently dodged my question of if you are black! Makes sense now why you feel threatened. No further questions needed. Now go away lame troll. Enjoy that bitterness. I forgive you. byekitty
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When I was overwhelmed with anger I turned towards God and asked Him to 'show' me each of them from 'His' point of view. Every time I 'saw' a vision of them as a 'child' and what they went through as children. That gave me a whole DIFFERENT perspective and melted my heart.
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That doesn't work. If everyone only did bad things, because someone else before them did bad things... then who was the FIRST person to do bad things?

And how has it SPREAD so much that everyone is doing bad things when only one person was originally so bad? Could one person have harmed someone else so much that billions of people in the future are enacting his original evil?

NONE OF THAT MAKES SENSE.

Obviously... people ALL THE TIME CHOOSE to do bad things.

It's nothing to do with whatever they suffered as a child. Really is not. The suffering only teaches them HOW to be evil. It's training.

Like going to karate lessons. You get hit... in order to learn how to hit others.

Life is their karate lesson. They suffer, in order to learn how to cause suffering to others. BUT they are causing GREATER SUFFERING ON PURPOSE TO PEOPLE WHO DID NOT CHOOSE TO SUFFER. But they chose it in the first place.

I'm just making ideas add up and make sense, that's all.

...

Anyhow, I understand the need for forgiveness. It can be bad to carry resentment around with you all the time.

Although I made hating evil people work... for a very very long time. Everything GOOD i got in life I got from hating evil people and making THEM SUFFER INSTEAD.

It's not the answer I agree with you. But you never managed to make evil people suffer. I did. If you had, you'd have learnt HOW FUN AND GLORIOUS IT IS to make evil shits suffer their own misery and insanity. How HEALING IT IS.

So if hating evil people is so great, why do I say it's not the answer?

well... it's complicated. All I can say is, it's a long part of a long journey in the right direction. But it's not the end goal. True peace is the end goal.

However, you cannot have true-peace until you learnt how to make evil people suffer instead, first.

But no one really chooses to. Or, few do. They are all doing much better though, than the ones who didn't fight back.

We have emotions for a reason, you know. If the emotion of hate had no purpose, why would anyone have it.

But it's still not the end-goal. The end-goal is complex... i don't understand it just yet.

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I don't think it's so much about forgiving people because forgiving people is the answer, so much as knowing they are going to suffer anyhow, so... I might as well forgive them. Cos... they are gonna "pay" one way or another. >:)

But you can't forgive someone until you are assured you've set up a system to make them pay.
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You can make out anyone to be evil. It helps if your group is the one who does this for you. Hurting people *generally* causes pleasure...for some. Calling them evil after the fact fits with the post-hoc generalization our brains do anyway, and has the added bonus of defending against feelings of guilt, whether from the inside or from without.

Who cares about the need for peace under the terms of someone who enjoys inflicting pain on others guilt-free? Especially where it undermines the foundations of justice, and convinces people that their objections are because they have something to hide? You are equally useful to good or to evil. I suspect that if evil offered better terms, you would speak just as candidly about your actions, especially if you were in a safe place to do so.
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I see you conveniently dodged my question of if you are black! Makes sense now why you feel threatened. No further questions needed. Now go away lame troll. Enjoy that bitterness. I forgive you. byekitty
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The Irish haven't done anything to *me*. I'm not black, either. I don't feel threatened by you, but I do fear for the future of my country, the use of reason, and the wars which will cost human lives. But not enough to call cultures and moralities 'good' where they are demonstrably not.
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When I was overwhelmed with anger I turned towards God and asked Him to 'show' me each of them from 'His' point of view. Every time I 'saw' a vision of them as a 'child' and what they went through as children. That gave me a whole DIFFERENT perspective and melted my heart.
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I don't think it's so much about forgiving people because forgiving people is the answer, so much as knowing they are going to suffer anyhow, so... I might as well forgive them. Cos... they are gonna "pay" one way or another. >:)

But you can't forgive someone until you are assured you've set up a system to make them pay.
 Quoting: JustAnotherOne


Even THAT doesn't seem like enough. It feels like there SHOULD be a way, to forgive people... But I don't know how.

Well... one thing that DID help me understand, is that it's about children.

For example... some evil bastard kids ruined things for me as a kid. OK. Now we are all grown up, some decades later. OK.

Hating them when i was younger HELPED. IT MADE ME FEEL BETTER. AND HEALED ME. AND MADE MY FLESH HEAL EVEN. Fixed my body and undid the damage they did to me. It was like an IMMUNE SYSTEM BURNING OFF ALL THEIR POISON AND EVIL AND LIES... making me good looking again till the point that girls would remark how beautiful I am ALL THE TIME.

Hate exists for a reason. And I used it. And it worked.

The problem is it didn't go far enough.

Because it took too long. By now, they've had their children. And they are growing old.

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Here's the true deal:

The emotions they took from me, with their abuse and evil and lies... the emotions and energy I lost... I regained by hating them. But it's like a connection to them, one way or another. A connection that basically is losing or has mostly lost meaning. Because... I can't make them suffer anymore. They are too old for that. I can't take back my lost emotions from people who are too old, because they don't have those emotions anymore!

AND they've managed to have children, and taught their children to be evil too, meaning the cycle goes on. Their children will be abusive scum at school. Just like them.

The world will stay stupid and evil.

And one day, they will reincarnate into the children of their children, being just as evil as they were. They managed to "cheat the system". They evaded the hate, just by growing old and having children.

Knowing that, gives me the clue. How to get it all back. But i won't tell you how. Or maybe I don't even know. All I know is that it gave me the clue, and it felt a lot better once I realised that.

Their children now have the emotions they had. The fun I need to take back from those abusers who stole it from me with their abuse, those lost emotions now exists in the body of children who never abused me in the first place, but WOULD IF THEY COULD.

I won't let them evade the damage they done, just by growing too old for me to get my energy back from them and having evil lineage of children to reincarnate into one day.

Besides, the human soul is a mess. It's pretty random actually. They won't reincarnate into one person. Just get chopped up and bits of them put into many others.

Like a sea... taking cups of the sea and calling it a person... before pouring it back into the sea when they die. And taking more cups out again when they are born.

The "people" who abused me will never have a fixed identity... of the same person who abused me before. A random mess. It's not meant to be that way.

Humans are meant to have a fixed-identity. But because they are evil... they can't. I guess it's a way to avoid justice. if their souls are all merged and sloshed around instead of having a solid firm identity, how can they ever be made to pay? How can energy work or spells target them across lives?

It's a mess but they STILL can't escape what they've done. Even making a mess won't save them.

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I muted that loser "surethingbuddy". Do the same if you value peace.
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Besides, I do wanna find a new and better way to feel. NOT in terms of resentment. I think the main goal is to not have to SEE THIS WORLD ANYMORE.

When I sleep, when I dream, the resentments goes. I'm peaceful again.

Why?

Because I'm not stuck in a world where jobs and money have any meaning. Energy has meaning, in my dreams. Energy creates fantastic landscapes, or adventures, or buildings and clothes and spaceships even... in my dreams.

In "this physical world", it's not like that.

But the thing is, it's supposed to be like that. This world is an illusion that refuses to respond to energy. Just wants to SUCK IT UP FOR ITSELF so it can feel good while being evil.

But if the world wasn't an illusion, the energy COULD CHANGE EVERYTHING AND RESHAPE IT. Creating landscapes, adventures, buildings, clothes, spaceships, physically FOR REAL.

In dreams, I forget the world...

Forgetting the world... causes peace.

I need... to forget this place.

The idea that all these idiots with their jobs and refusal to create good energy... or listen to the truth, while destroying the environment and contaminating all the space with their ugly buidlings... is the way to do things.

That's what I need to not see anymore.

I need to just not see HERE anymore.

Not with drugs. Not with dreaming. Not with escapism. Just not see it. I don't know how. But... it will lead, to peace.

I mean dreams are good but... I need something that works while I'm awake.
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