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When You Have A Hard Time Forgiving Someone....

 
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I don't have a hard time forgiving, I refuse to. To be specific, just one group of people and that's all...because I never forgive and I never forget (them)
I never forgive and I never forget

I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked.

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I wanted to talk about this because I know it is one of the most prevalent subjects for our world today. People have had so much abuse and sadness that they feel it is IMPOSSIBLE to forgive those that have abused them.

I am 60 years old now and I had a very sad and disfunctional childhood. I was born with 85% yellow blood because my mother had RH factor and they had to give me a blood transfusion. She was an avid alcoholic since she was 18 and she was 31 when i was born. I was the 3rd of 3 girls and an 'accident' from having too much liquor on New Years Eve. She and my dad divorced when I was 7 and he had been having an affair with some woman down the block. The 23 years they were married they had numerous violent fights and I remember some of them but most of them I blocked from my mind.

My dad remarried a very jealous and vindictive woman with 2 kids. The boy physically assaulted me at the age of 8 and her daughter mocked me and made fun of me at school until I finally had enough and moved in with my aunt at 12. After that I moved from relatives to friends until I finally married at 20 just to get away from everything.

All of that is to say that I carried a lot of bitterness and rejection towards both of my parents. It took until I was 50 years old to understand how to 'forgive' them for what they did to me.

It's a simple remedy but really does work when you use it.

When I was overwhelmed with anger I turned towards God and asked Him to 'show' me each of them from 'His' point of view. Every time I 'saw' a vision of them as a 'child' and what they went through as children. That gave me a whole DIFFERENT perspective and melted my heart.

I learned that ALL of us are simply CHILDREN in these 'grown up' bodies...just trying to understand and keep our heads above water in this crazy and heartless world.

I know it sounds simple but it does WORK! Please don't knock it until you have tried it. It has worked for every single person I've shared it with. It changed their world from that point on.

This world needs LOVE and FORGIVENESS more than anything else. If we simply do these two things, this world will turn around into the world we all dream it to be...

red_heart
 Quoting: Dads girl


We need to forgive others for our own sake.

We must forgive to be forgiven by GOD!

Many blessings to you, OP!blwkss
 Quoting: 1r0n4n9el


Sometimes the hardest thing to do are the most rewarding...

Heaven knows I have been tested in this regard...

Forgive and repent and be forgiven...hf

God's sees it and will reward you ... yep and Amen.
GT Big hair...yep and Amen.
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Forgiveness normally comes pretty easy for me. Mostly because I know most mistakes are borne out of ignorance or misunderstanding.

Now if they are just evil fuckers then I offer no forgiveness.



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Forgiveness normally comes pretty easy for me. Mostly because I know most mistakes are borne out of ignorance or misunderstanding.

Now if they are just evil fuckers then I offer no forgiveness.



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 Quoting: Surfer 7


Personally, I think forgiveness like goodness and evil, has to do with activity. If someone refuses to do something for you, that really isn't in the purview of forgiveness. Of course, we can retool that to justify vengeance in whatever way we'd like...isn't that right?
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Wonderful post! Thank you!
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It's great that you can imagine that your abusers suffered as you do but this is often not the case. Often abusers had very pleasant childhoods but are suffering from conditions which cause insensitivity/lack of empathy.

My abuser had a brain injury.
My partners abuser suffered from a congenital form of insensitivity.

Neither one suffered much as children. But neither one of them can understand what they are or were doing, either.

So I don't forgive them for some imagined pain they suffered, but for their very real physical defects which kept them from manifesting as fully formed individuals.
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I think confusion about forgiveness begins with the words "forgive and forget".

That saying is BS!

Always forgive.
Never forget!

When you forgive somebody you are actually helping YOURSELF...not them.

You are releasing yourself from the anger and hate and hurt.

To forget would be foolish, because then you would never learn...and put yourself in a situation to be abused by that person again.
 Quoting: Mental Case


Agreed.

If you trust someone who has hurt you in the past and you give them the opportunity to do it again, 99% of the time, they WILL do it again--or something worse. And then you have to start forgiving them all over again!
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I wanted to talk about this because I know it is one of the most prevalent subjects for our world today. People have had so much abuse and sadness that they feel it is IMPOSSIBLE to forgive those that have abused them.

I am 60 years old now and I had a very sad and disfunctional childhood. I was born with 85% yellow blood because my mother had RH factor and they had to give me a blood transfusion. She was an avid alcoholic since she was 18 and she was 31 when i was born. I was the 3rd of 3 girls and an 'accident' from having too much liquor on New Years Eve. She and my dad divorced when I was 7 and he had been having an affair with some woman down the block. The 23 years they were married they had numerous violent fights and I remember some of them but most of them I blocked from my mind.

My dad remarried a very jealous and vindictive woman with 2 kids. The boy physically assaulted me at the age of 8 and her daughter mocked me and made fun of me at school until I finally had enough and moved in with my aunt at 12. After that I moved from relatives to friends until I finally married at 20 just to get away from everything.

All of that is to say that I carried a lot of bitterness and rejection towards both of my parents. It took until I was 50 years old to understand how to 'forgive' them for what they did to me.

It's a simple remedy but really does work when you use it.

When I was overwhelmed with anger I turned towards God and asked Him to 'show' me each of them from 'His' point of view. Every time I 'saw' a vision of them as a 'child' and what they went through as children. That gave me a whole DIFFERENT perspective and melted my heart.

I learned that ALL of us are simply CHILDREN in these 'grown up' bodies...just trying to understand and keep our heads above water in this crazy and heartless world.

I know it sounds simple but it does WORK! Please don't knock it until you have tried it. It has worked for every single person I've shared it with. It changed their world from that point on.

This world needs LOVE and FORGIVENESS more than anything else. If we simply do these two things, this world will turn around into the world we all dream it to be...

red_heart
 Quoting: Dads girl

Agreed 100% Thanks for sharing my friend : )
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then be an unforgiving sob.
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If someone asks for "forgiveness" then it most certainly be considered--based on the apparent sincerity. If you forgive without even being asked, you are a sucker--a useless person regarding anything of importance.

Not forgiving does not equate living with unhealthy emotions. Hate and mistrust is a good thing. If you are weak enough to allow other peoples transgressions against you, or other's, to keep you up at night, you need to work on your own mental state.


Forgiving everything and everyone without just cause is just living in la la land. That is not productive or intelligent.
 Quoting: Green Tabber


^^Exactly.^^

I have a hard time explaining to ppl that I "bear no grudge" (very important to not keeping unhealthy energetic ties), vs "forgiving"

"Forgiving" is done in the context of two ppl...always. Someone asks for forgiveness, forgiveness is given. Look at scripture. It is wonderfully elevating and spiritual.

Forgiving done alone to an unrepentant, is just "enabling", throwing pearls before swine.

However, "bear no grudge" can be done alone.

I want to thank OP however, for her fantastic insight, which I will be taking to heart and trying out.
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If I bore grudges the additional carbon in the atmosphere would be considerable. Seek understanding, it does more good.
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Forgiveness is for the forgiver too. Allows one to free themselves of negative emotions.
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It's equal opportunity
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It's equal opportunity
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


"Equality is total nonsense"
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It's equal opportunity
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


"Equality is total nonsense"
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


It is.
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God himself set the natural order. Eve was only created to be a helper to Adam!
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God himself set the natural order. Eve was only created to be a helper to Adam!
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


That's why the murders of women are not prosecuted in some area. No soul, same as killing a dog.
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It's equal opportunity
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


"Equality is total nonsense"
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


It is.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Thus forgiveness is more incumbent on some than on others, meaning it isn't equal opportunity. Why not just get revenge, and either assert boundaries or raise your social status?
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God himself set the natural order. Eve was only created to be a helper to Adam!
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


That's why the murders of women are not prosecuted in some area. No soul, same as killing a dog.
 Quoting: Asmodée


Or a heretic, who in some cultures are called dogs. A universal consciousness seems to suggest that murder is always okay.
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God himself set the natural order. Eve was only created to be a helper to Adam!
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


That's why the murders of women are not prosecuted in some area. No soul, same as killing a dog.
 Quoting: Asmodée


The Truth hurts.
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God himself set the natural order. Eve was only created to be a helper to Adam!
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


That's why the murders of women are not prosecuted in some area. No soul, same as killing a dog.
 Quoting: Asmodée


The Truth hurts.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Yikes.
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It's equal opportunity
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


"Equality is total nonsense"
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


It is.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Thus forgiveness is more incumbent on some than on others, meaning it isn't equal opportunity. Why not just get revenge, and either assert boundaries or raise your social status?
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy

Well if you follow the Messiahs command, you forgive even though it ain't easy. That is why there is so much violence and hatred, because people dont.
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God himself set the natural order. Eve was only created to be a helper to Adam!
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


That's why the murders of women are not prosecuted in some area. No soul, same as killing a dog.
 Quoting: Asmodée


I don't see how that has any baring on the facts. Justice is called for for all. Some suffer pride issues i guess
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"Equality is total nonsense"
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


It is.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Thus forgiveness is more incumbent on some than on others, meaning it isn't equal opportunity. Why not just get revenge, and either assert boundaries or raise your social status?
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy

Well if you follow the Messiahs command, you forgive even though it ain't easy. That is why there is so much violence and hatred, because people dont.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


And not because some people like it?
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God himself set the natural order. Eve was only created to be a helper to Adam!
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


That's why the murders of women are not prosecuted in some area. No soul, same as killing a dog.
 Quoting: Asmodée


The Truth hurts.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Yikes.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


The poster can't accept the Truth so tries to justify her beliefs for why it is wrong. But the Truth still remains despite her denial.
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It is.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Thus forgiveness is more incumbent on some than on others, meaning it isn't equal opportunity. Why not just get revenge, and either assert boundaries or raise your social status?
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy

Well if you follow the Messiahs command, you forgive even though it ain't easy. That is why there is so much violence and hatred, because people dont.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


And not because some people like it?
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


People are free to do what they want.
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That's why the murders of women are not prosecuted in some area. No soul, same as killing a dog.
 Quoting: Asmodée


The Truth hurts.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Yikes.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


The poster can't accept the Truth so tries to justify her beliefs for why it is wrong. But the Truth still remains despite her denial.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


I'm not a woman, but...yikes. I would think that laws like that would figure into your notions of individual and cultural inequality. But you're Irish, and I've heard what some of your judges have said in cases like the above. U.P.: up!
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The Truth hurts.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Yikes.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


The poster can't accept the Truth so tries to justify her beliefs for why it is wrong. But the Truth still remains despite her denial.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


I'm not a woman, but...yikes. I would think that laws like that would figure into your notions of individual and cultural inequality. But you're Irish, and I've heard what some of your judges have said in cases like the above. U.P.: up!
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


What nonsense are you speaking?
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We need to forgive others for our own sake.

We must forgive to be forgiven by GOD!

Many blessings to you, OP!blwkss
 Quoting: 1r0n4n9el


kitty Indeed as it says in the Lord's prayer.

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.

Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.


Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Note: Something evil is going on because I have always remembered this as on earth, not in earth. The pope wanted to make this change several months ago and somehow he has managed to do it on the internet. The plain fact is that mankind lives on the earth, devils live in the earth.
 Quoting: Judethz


Judith: your right! I remember well from childhood that it was "on Earth". Another mandala change or what? Tks for pointing it out.
 Quoting: simplify


shivacernblackcat Another one is The lion lying down with the lamb, which has been changed to the wolf lying down with the lamb. Don't ask me to explain it, but as best I can make out it has something to do with time displacement, opening portals to hell and CERN.
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Yikes.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


The poster can't accept the Truth so tries to justify her beliefs for why it is wrong. But the Truth still remains despite her denial.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


I'm not a woman, but...yikes. I would think that laws like that would figure into your notions of individual and cultural inequality. But you're Irish, and I've heard what some of your judges have said in cases like the above. U.P.: up!
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


What nonsense are you speaking?
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


I'm saying, being from Ireland, it is only natural that you would support this kind of treatment of women. This should, in my opinion, qualify your culture as 'less-than' those that don't on the 'natural order of things.' U.P. = Ulster Protestant, the 'troubles' being a good way to limit the violence you espouse to those...most understanding of it.





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