"Jesus Christ" is a false name and title for the Messiah

The Son of the Father...sent for our Salvation.

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Angel means messenger.

That messenger in Exodus 23 has the power to forgive sins, and we are to obey him because he speaks the Father's words.

It's the Messiah.

Acts 7:37-38
This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

38He was in the assembly in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers. And he received living words to pass on to us.…

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Bahahaha.

Sir / Ma'am you are a false prophet.

The Word became flesh:

John 1:1-14

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word Was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; with out him nothing was made that has been made.

Jeremiah 14:14 The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying false vision, divinations, idolatries, and the delusions of their own minds.

2nd Peter 2:
But False prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who brought them, bringing swift destruction upon them selves

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The true author of Salvation..the Word...is Jesus' Father - God Himself.

John 12:49-50

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

God Gave Jesus (the man AND Son of God) the Revelation

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place; and He sent and communicated {it} by His angel to His bond-servant John, (NAS)

Note that “God gave” Jesus Christ the “Revelation.” If Jesus is God in heaven, then why does he need another God to give him the revelation? Obviously this proves God is a separate entity than Jesus.

It's how Jesus sits at the right-hand of the Father.

The Word Of God and Testimony Of Jesus Are Separate

Yes, and the Word - God, BECAME Flesh - Jesus Chrsit.

The word is the son of God, not God Himself. God is not the Messiah. The word doesn't have the same age as God and is a lesser being than God.

There is more than one meaning for God in the Bible you know. The way it is used on John 1 is not meaning to say the word is the One True God.

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Deuteronomy 18:15-19
“The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to him you shall listen— just as you desired of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God or see this great fire any more, lest I die.’ And the Lord said to me, ‘They are right in what they have spoken. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him.

Hebrews 2:11
For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

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So you believe in at least 2 different Gods

Polytheism

Trinitarians deny all these verses:

... The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.(John 13:16)

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away , and come again unto you. If ye loved me , ye would rejoice , because I said , I go unto the Father: for my FATHER IS GREATER than I.(John 14:28)

And lo a voice from heaven, saying , This is my BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased (Matthew 3:17)

While he yet spake , behold , a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said , This is my BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased ; HEAR ye him.(Matthew 17:5)

And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased (Mark 1:11)

And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying , This is my BELOVED SON: HEAR him (Mark 9:7)

...and a voice came from heaven, which said , Thou art my BELOVED SON; in thee I am well pleased (Luke 3:22)

And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying , This is my BELOVED SON: HEAR him. (Luke 9:35)

But the hour cometh , and now is , when the TRUE WORSHIPPERS SHALL WORSHIP THE FATHER in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.(John 4:23,24)

For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased .(2 Peter 1:17)

The Word is the Law and the Testimony is the Spirit of Prophecy.

The Messiah is a fulfillment of both.

Isaiah 51:4
“Give attention to me, my people,
and give ear to me, my nation;
for a law will go out from me,
and I will set my justice for a light to the peoples.

Psalm 78:1
Give ear, O my people, to my instruction; listen to the words of my mouth.

Matthew 4:4:
But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

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Jesus is God's SON. There's no reason for Jesus to say ALL of this IF it were not so.

Jesus SAID...

Jesus uses the phrase "My Father" 50+ times

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Jesus uses the phrase "the Father" about 75 times

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The Apostles use it another 55+ times

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Jesus uses the phrase "SENT Me" 39 times

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The phrase "Son of God" is used 28 times in the 4 Gospels

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19 times in Acts thru Revelation

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The phrase "kingdom of God" (NOT "MY kingdom") is used 54 times in the 4 Gospels

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...the Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28
...I ASCEND to the Father, MY GOD and YOUR GOD. John 20:17
...I do ONLY the Father's Will. Matthew 7:21
...I PRAY to the Father. Matthew 26:39,42 & John 17
...I give THANKS to the Father. John 11:41
...I don't KNOW when I will return...ONLY the Father KNOWS. Matthew 24:36
...ask the Father in MY name. John 14:13
...I go to sit at the Father's right hand. Matthew 26:64
...the Father has given me authority. Matthew 28:18
...I say what the Father has said John 12:49-50
...I learned / do as the Father has showed me John 5:19

on and on and over and over again.

both you and photina deny the trinity, so no wonder you are both WRONG in your interpretations.

“And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” Revelation 17:5

"The mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the Catholic Faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the church..." Handbook for Today's Catholic, p. 11.

"Our opponents sometimes claim that no belief should be held dogmatically which is not explicitly stated in scripture. But the Protestant Churches have themselves accepted such dogmas, as the Trinity, for which there is no such precise authority in the Gospels." Graham Greene, [celebrated Catholic Author], Life Magazine, 30 Oct. 1950, p.51

Exodus 23:13 And in all that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.



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John 18:37
Then Pilate said to him, “So you are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world—to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.”

Psalm 119:160;19:7
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. The Law of the LORD is perfect, restoring life. The testimony of the LORD is steadfast, making foolish people wise.

Revelation 22:1
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Zechariah 14:8
And on that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.

Micah 4:2
Many nations will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths." The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Isaiah 42:19,21,13
19Who is blind, but my servant? Or who is as deaf as my messenger whom I send? Who is as blind as he who is at peace, and as blind as Yahweh's servant?
It pleased Yahweh, for his righteousness' sake, to magnify the law, and make it honorable.
Yahweh will go out like a mighty man. He will stir up zeal like a man of war. He will raise a war cry. Yes, he will shout aloud. He will triumph over his enemies.

Yahushua means "Yahowah's loud cry".

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“Wherefore Elohim (God) also hath highly exalted Him and given Him a Name which is above every name. That at the Name of (the Messiah) every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things in earth and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Yahushua The Messiah is Master, to the glory of Elohim the Father.” Philippians 2:9-11.

“And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His Name Yahushua, for He will save his people from their sins” Mattityahu - Matthew 1:21.

“For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trump of Elohim. And the dead in Messiah will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words" Thessalonians 4:16-18.

Yahushua said; “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the Prophets: They will all be taught by Elohim. Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from Him comes to Me. No one has seen the Father except the One who is from Elohim; only He has seen the Father. I tell you the truth he who believes has everlasting life.” Yochanan (John) 6:43-48.

Proverbs 8:1-3
8 Does not wisdom cry out,
And understanding lift up her voice?
2 She takes her stand on the top of the high hill,
Beside the way, where the paths meet.
3 She cries out by the gates, at the entry of the city,
At the entrance of the doors:

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone should hear My voice and open the door, then I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

2 Corinthians 15:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Yahushua Messiah is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Romans 8:10
10 And if Messiah be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Colossians 1:27
To whom Elohim would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Messiah in you, the hope of glory:

John 14:18
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Galatians 4:6
6 Because you are his sons, Elohim sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.”

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Remind the believers of these things, charging them before God to avoid quarreling over words; this is in no way profitable, and leads its listeners to ruin. (2 Timothy 2:14)

Just gonna leave this right here.

Be good, ya'll. Come on.

*This is just for the ones earlier in the thread getting nasty for no reason.

OP good thread!

Lots of good studying here.

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The names of the Father and Son are definitely words worthy of quarreling over.

This is the GLP I miss and love.

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not really when they are one in the same.

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

Not one as in the same being.

No one has seen the Father except the One who is from Elohim; only He has seen the Father. I tell you the truth he who believes has everlasting life.” (John) 6:48

1 Timothy 6:16
16 who only has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no man has seen, nor is able to see; to whom [be] honour and eternal might. Amen.

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Someone hand the

Son Of God/Messiah/Masiach/Jesus Christ/ChristJesus/Yeshua/Yahushua/SaviorLambofGod/Immmanuel/​Son of Man, .....or

whatever.you. want. to .call. him .....

a Kleenex because he is about crying right now.

This thread is a travesty.

But have at it.

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"1. The Greek “IE” or “JE” has the sound of “Yeh,” is what is known as a “hail.” As we know, this is certainly not in any way related to the blessed Memorial Name - “Yah,” for it was deliberately changed.

An interesting note, according the Dictionary of Christian Lore and Legend by J. C. J. Melford, page 126 it states that in the “Latin the word ‘JESU’ has been traced to an Hebrew word meaning a ‘curse be upon.’”

2. This leaves us with the “SOUS” or “SUS” part of the name. This word also has a very distinct meaning and this is the part that needs further investigation. We should be well aware that there are many other Greek individuals, cities, places and countless deities that have either all or part of this name, being “Sous,” “Seus” or “Sus” and the reality is that all three renditions are actually directly related to the name of the Greek god “ZEUS.” I am well aware that this will be a shock, but every time you pray “JeSus” what you unknowingly have said is … “Hail Zeus!” Remember that Satan has deceived the whole world and by that I do mean the whole church system! Satan used an evil man at the very beginning, during the days of the Apostles, a man who came from Samaria who was a sorcerer who did many tricks that looked like miracles, but when he saw Ya’akov – James preach and do real miracles in the Name of Yahushua, he was immersed and went to Jerusalem where in due course he met Shime’on – Peter, but he was rejected as he desired to buy his way in wanting to become an apostle. (read Acts chapter 8). This evil man Simon Magnus and not Peter went to Rome and set up the new Roman church and it was he who became the very first Bishop of Rome. He created the term “Christian,” “Christ” (taken from the pagan gods ‘Chrestos’ and ‘Chreston’) and as far as we know “IESOUS.” Shaul - Paul clearly confirms in his writings that Shime’on - Peter never went to Rome! (Read my study on Simon Magnus).

Satan also used men like the sun worshipping Emperor Constantine and the Nicene Council and the church hierarchy to destroy all that was good amongst the faithful followers of Messiah Yahushua as most were slowly murdered by them and the church throughout the ages!

Here are a few examples of Greek names that are related to “Zeus” such as the Greek hero of the Trojan War “Odysseus” and the Greek deity “Ieuseus” being a variant spelling of the Latin “IESUS.” There is the sacred mountain in Greece Parnassus, and the god of wine and the son of Zeus “Dionysus.” Other Greek words such as “Tarsus” mean the “sweat of Zeus” and then there is Pegasus and Ephesus all make mention of the god Zeus and the list just goes on for there are so many more!

Thus tragically our loving Saviour was renamed “JeSeus” – “hail to Zeus”, but as the centuries passed, there were those who used the name were totally unaware of its actual meaning and thus cannot be found guilty of its use, unless you continue to use it after reading this! This name was attributed to Messiah Yahushua by the pagan Roman church who was against anything that was remotely that even appeared to be from a Judaic origin; especially the keeping of the Seventh Day Sabbath and thus the “Mithra” or the “Sun” worshipping Emperor Constantine changed that by a law of force, under the cloud of punishment of death on March 7, 321 A.D. This was part of his (Blue law) statement:

“On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed.” (Codex Justinianus 3.12.3, trans. Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, 5th ed. (New York, 1902).

The Roman Papacy officially confirmed the Sunday law for The Council of Laodicea (governed over by Constantine) in 364 A.D. decreed,

“Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday but shall work on that day; but the Lord’s day they shall especially honour, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ.” (Strand, op. cit., citing Charles J. Hefele, A History of the Councils of the Church, 2 (Edinburgh, 1876) 316).

This Roman pagan based church was not part of the apostolic Ecclesia that had been in existence since the time of Messiah Yahushua and had continued and does so until this day!

“And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His Name Yahushua, for He will save his people from their sins” Mattityahu - Matthew 1:21.

Yes, our Saviours Name is - “Yahushua,” and His Name contains the blessed Name of His Father, “Yah,” whereas “ushua” means “save” or “salvation.” Thus, the name of Yahushua means, "YaHVaH (the eternal existing One) Saves.” The blessed Name of Yahushua is correctly pronounced … “Yah’hoe’Shoe’a.” One may say there is nothing wrong about the Name of Jesus as it is the Anglicised version of Yahushua. However, I make the point that all those who personally knew the Messiah and spoke with Him, called Him, - “Yahushua.” You might say, “but the New Covenant is in Greek, and there it was written differently.” Well there is clear proof that the Gospels were originally written in Hebrew and they were later translated into Greek. And it was due to Greek not having a “Y” in its alphabet, it was therefore was written as “Iesou” or “Isous.” HOWEVER, how do we explain the next issue?"

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"It has served us well, this myth of Christ."
-- Leo X

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deleting individual posts reveals your true intent...
Ya must not have liked being asked if you believe Jesus and Satan are brothers in your belief system huh?

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Jesus *is* Satan disguised as the Messiah.

Have you been reading the gospel of the kingdom? There is also a difference between the son of God and the son of man.

There is no God of Israel... its the same God of the entire universe and it has not name at all.

Jesus' name was Jeshua and he was and is a Chirst. But its not his "last name".. it s state of being. Now stop with utter nonsense that has no value at all.