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The Pre-tribulation rapture theory is false.

 
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DONT BE FOOLED. THE RAPTURE IS AT THE DOOR.

bridec There is still a little time left, don't waste it. bridea

We have received many many warnings, some as prophecies coming to pass, others as great signs in the heavens, and a great flood of evil signs as society continues on it's way towards outright Satanic control of just about everything. War, famines, plagues, grinding poverty, and utter despair already effect many of us, and are just around the corner for the rest of us.

The Rapture could happen tomorrow, we are in the time of. Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. If you have not yet turned to the Lord for salvation you have still been blessed with a very little time to do so. But don't take all day about it, you could get hit by a bus tomorrow and then where would you be?
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I'm with you Photina. It would be great if believers are raptured but I'm not planning on it. I would be prepared for hardship. At what other time in the bible were gods people spared from hardship? We have not proven ourselves worthy. Most continue to demonstrate the lack of faith. I can't think of a single person that would be worthy (though God's in charge) of rapture but good luck to people who think they will be.
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The prophets of old, the Hebrew people, Jesus himself, his disciples, the apostles, the Jewish people circa WWII...God lets his ppl go through horrible times to separate the wheat from the chaff. We go through it.

Photine is right.

The trib is the wrath of Satan, not the wrath of God. Wrath of God comes later.
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There is no rapture AT ALL, there is no Jesus, there is no god. The sooner we all realize this, the faster we will evolve to something better.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


... so you can just evolve into a fat lazy basement dweller until your arteries clog up and you stroke out on your keyboard...

Ragnor-IZB4B

you are going to get a big surprise on that day... yep and Amen.
GT Big hair...yep and Amen.
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DONT BE FOOLED. THE RAPTURE IS AT THE DOOR.

bridec There is still a little time left, don't waste it. bridea

We have received many many warnings, some as prophecies coming to pass, others as great signs in the heavens, and a great flood of evil signs as society continues on it's way towards outright Satanic control of just about everything. War, famines, plagues, grinding poverty, and utter despair already effect many of us, and are just around the corner for the rest of us.

The Rapture could happen tomorrow, we are in the time of. Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. If you have not yet turned to the Lord for salvation you have still been blessed with a very little time to do so. But don't take all day about it, you could get hit by a bus tomorrow and then where would you be?
 Quoting: Judethz


The gathering of the wheat happens after the tribulation/time of trouble.

Matthew 24:29-51
29 Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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i wish i could 1 star again
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i wish i could 1 star again
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Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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Prepacked for the Rapture
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Thanks OP. It's about time somebody exposed their false feel-good religious pre-trib rapture teaching BS.
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Not only false, but extremely dangerous if it causes those in despair to lose hope or feel as if they have been abandoned or rejected, it may lead them to lose all faith and think that there is no god at all.

How many souls will be lost because of rapture theories. A word that does not exist in any biblical text anywhere.

Even when God's people are called up, it says they shall be caught up with them refers to joining the dead and going to heaven. The word "caught up" may very well just be a more pleasant and poetic way of saying, your going to die and your soul will join those who have already passed years ago as you are all taken to the Lord.

I don't pretend to know the answer, but what amazes me the most is the stretch of the imagination it would take to interpret what the bible says into a magical evaporation of people who are teleported magically with no pain or discomfort to heaven and they don't have to suffer because they are the chosen ones.

Doesn't say that at all.

bump
 Quoting: GodFrequency



You made some very good points. 👍
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Guess that makes most sects and pastors blasphemers. Jesus' order to "come out of".......in the last days applies on nearly every level!!!
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There is no rapture AT ALL, there is no Jesus, there is no god. The sooner we all realize this, the faster we will evolve to something better.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


Please explain in detail how you came into existence, and I don't mean being born physically.
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Job 38:22-23
22Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
23Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

Song of Solomon 2:10-11, NKJV
10 My beloved spoke, and said to me:
Rise up, my love, my fair one,
And come away.

11 For lo, the winter is past,
The rain is over and gone.
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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this is what happens when you spend too much time in church and not enough time in government-funded indoctrination camps
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Joel 2:2, 30-32
A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
30And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call

Luke 21:25-28
25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Revelation 1:7
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Last Edited by Photina on 09/02/2018 03:26 PM
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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Matthew 24 is for the Jebrews not the Church

and why were the Thessalonians freaked out thinking they missed it?
 Quoting: Red John


The Thessalonians were told they missed it but Paul set them straight.

Paul did say that before we meet Christ some conditions must be met.

2 Thess 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

1) the Falling Away
2) The Man of Sin be revealed.

Does anyone know who the man of sin is? Has the falling away completed?
 Quoting: Achduke7


Falling away is the fall of Rome. Man of sin appears in 538 AD; the little horn/papacy/the antichrist.
 Quoting: Photina


oh darn.. now you lost me. the falling away is at the time before Christ return and it is the professing church that is in apostasy. NOT ROME. good grief and here i thought you had honestly studied the scriptures. sigh
the man of sin is NOT the pope. get a grip man! or woman.... get a grip. Put down the books and man made theories. this idea is just as bad as the pretrib rapture.
i am gonna stop posting in threads about this because there is blatant ignorance of the scriptures. get back to the word and let God teach you
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75 books that are missing from the bible.
I guess the Roman Emperor didn't like these books


 Quoting: GodFrequency


I feel the RCC did have a role in editing like a bunch of directors on a reality show trying to play their narrative.
 Quoting: Achduke7


they also tacked on a whole bunch of made up stuff

the word pope doesn't exist in the bible.

confession before a priest I don't believe is in there either

in fact almost all their rituals are made up

Jesus was not a religion, man created that
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Ths word trinity doesn't exist in the Bible either, but plenty of Christians have no problem believing that.
Pray this prayer to blind Satan:
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Ezekiel 37
5 Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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There is no rapture AT ALL, there is no Jesus, there is no god. The sooner we all realize this, the faster we will evolve to something better.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


... so you can just evolve into a fat lazy basement dweller until your arteries clog up and you stroke out on your keyboard...

you are going to get a big surprise on that day... yep and Amen.
 Quoting: GT Big hair


Of course I can get fat and lazy. Are you inteligente enough to contemplate the possibility of YOU being wrong? The SHTF, you hope and you pray and you wait and nobody comes to rescue? Are you willing to risk your whole family and friends in an unconfirmed belief?
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Even if you were correct, which you're not, so frigging what?
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Yep to many modern Christians believe they will be saved from the tribulation, all will have to go thru this horrible time and its to see what the Christians and others will do during this time.

Noah went thru his tribulation, God did not rescue him from earth, Noah had to sweat and work hard to build a boat to make it thru and if he cursed God once during this God would have sunk the boat and we would not be here today.

So how can todays Christians think they are better than Noah and don't have to go thru our tribulation.


Its not going to be fun


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all rapture theories are FALSE ... wake up
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Yeah, take it from someone whom has a doctorate in Biblical Philosophy. Remember it can all be summed up in a nine minute youtube video. Enough said. All depth and scope of this holographic book that has touch lives beyond anything mankind has seen or delved. Yep either he was a lunatic or exactly what he said he was. The SON OF GOD!

FOR THOSE WHO NEGATE TRUTH. those WHO DO, WELL, Truth will never find you unless God deems it. It says God finds the man. Not the other way. God calls those of Wheat, not tares. You can blame, scratch, yell all you want but you still will be stuck in your belief. Forever. Your heart must change. His word is for his own. Only at the end of time will this be satisfied, except for those, of his, that have already been called, and satisfied!
When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. jimi

Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.

I'm just a product of insufficient modality.

Humans of Earth! I have come in peace. You need not fear me. I mean you no harm. However, it may be important to know that most of you will not survive the next 24 hours. And those of you who do survive will be enslaved and experimented on. You should in no way take any of this personally — it's just business!
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Revelation 19:11-17
11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

Rev 11:13-15
13And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand were killed in the quake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

15Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven:

“The kingdom of the world
has become the kingdom of our Lord
and of His Christ,
and He will reign forever and ever.”

Daniel 7:14
And He was given dominion, glory, and kingship, so that every people, nation, and language should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and His kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Daniel 7:27
Then the sovereignty, dominion, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven will be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will serve and obey Him.'

Zechariah 12:10
“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.

Zechariah 14:16,9
Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
On that day the LORD will become King over all the earth--the LORD alone, and His name alone.

Last Edited by Photina on 09/02/2018 03:31 PM
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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When will you religious fanatics understand that no matter how much you quote the bible, it doesn't make it true. Its ALL a lie.
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There is no rapture AT ALL, there is no Jesus, there is no god. The sooner we all realize this, the faster we will evolve to something better.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


Then nothing matters...because everything was started by nothing.

Thoughts are nothing..

Love is nothing...

Laws are nothing...

...and your post, my post...nothing matters, because if there is no point to it all, no Law Giver, no one to answer for, then we are all living a play in whose foundation is nought but hypocrisy.

All that we feel, endure, suffer through and with...motivation, desire, winning and losing, hatred and love...

It is all manufactured from a big bang that exploded from nothing.

So in the end, nothing matters....at all.

That is, if we really did come from nothing.
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“I apprehend no danger to our country from a foreign foe . . . Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing. Make them intelligent, and they will be vigilant; give them the means of detecting the wrong, and they will apply the remedy.”

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When will you religious fanatics understand that no matter how much you quote the bible, it doesn't make it true. Its ALL a lie.
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Yep, believe your world and move on. Or have you been called to be a preacher of unrighteousness. Leading people to sin, deceit, immorality, hate? How can such GOOD bring so much divisiveness? Question good? Question love, loving your friend, your neighbor. Why the war against goodness? Love the night, because that is what is inside?
When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. jimi

Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.

I'm just a product of insufficient modality.

Humans of Earth! I have come in peace. You need not fear me. I mean you no harm. However, it may be important to know that most of you will not survive the next 24 hours. And those of you who do survive will be enslaved and experimented on. You should in no way take any of this personally — it's just business!
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God's church, and elect, will only be saved after the tribulation, or time of trouble, at the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, when He comes in the clouds in His Father's glory, with His mighty angels.

Matthew 24:29-51
29 Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 Quoting: Photina


Photina, what Coven do you belong to
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God's church, and elect, will only be saved after the tribulation, or time of trouble, at the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, when He comes in the clouds in His Father's glory, with His mighty angels.

Matthew 24:29-51
29 Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 Quoting: Photina


Photina, what Coven do you belong to
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I am a minister of the Mighty God of Jacob.
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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So many will be consumed when the lake of fire is opened. Looks like it may already be starting. Humble yourself before God truly repenting of your past shameful, sinful behavior before you are totally consumed; and LIVE forever. Seems like an obvious choice to me!
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08/03/2018 08:27 PM
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Re: The Pre-tribulation rapture theory is false.
There is no rapture AT ALL, there is no Jesus, there is no god. The sooner we all realize this, the faster we will evolve to something better.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


You are one lost soul....





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