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The Pre-tribulation rapture theory is false.

 
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Thanks OP. It's about time somebody exposed their false feel-good religious pre-trib rapture teaching BS.
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endofdayskitty Yeah tell us all about it.
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How silly we look as followers of Christ arguing over scripture.

We certainly do not offer a good example to ones we need to bring to salvation.


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So many will be consumed when the lake of fire is opened. Looks like it may already be starting. Humble yourself before God truly repenting of your past shameful, sinful behavior before you are totally consumed; and LIVE forever. Seems like an obvious choice to me!
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Thanks OP. It's about time somebody exposed their false feel-good religious pre-trib rapture teaching BS.
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endofdayskitty Yeah tell us all about it.
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Where's your Scripture supporting the pretrib rapture?
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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Lots of people telling other people what to do here.
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Guess that makes most sects and pastors blasphemers. Jesus' order to "come out of".......in the last days applies on nearly every level!!!
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Yes, most sects believe in the rapture, which is Roman Catholic teaching.
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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Who cares? No matter when I die I know where I'm goin'.
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The 7 letters are 14 different relationships God allows between people and Himself leading up to the day the two witnesses are resurrected. if you are still alive at the end of that day you have one of the 7 better ones. If you are awake and things look 'gloomy' you are somebody who did not overcome their flaws in time.
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Bottom line is you so called christians are stuck in this shit hole just like the rest of us. Nobody is coming out of the clouds to save you. When the shtf people that prepare might survive, christians that expext someone to save them won't.
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So many will be consumed when the lake of fire is opened. Looks like it may already be starting. Humble yourself before God truly repenting of your past shameful, sinful behavior before you are totally consumed; and LIVE forever. Seems like an obvious choice to me!
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Would you convert to Hinduism if a Hindu proposed a similar fear-based ideology to you?

If the answer is No, then stop expecting people to convert to your beliefs based on the same premise.

There is no wisdom in threatening people who don't believe as you do... Even if you believe those fear-based ideas - that's your own choice and your own doing, not theirs...

If you wouldn't change your beliefs based on unprovable and untestable threats - then you should understand why others will not either...

The only 'obvious choice' is not to subject oneself to the fear-based dogmas (created by other humans)....
WHEN DOES THE BS EVER END?

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There is no rapture AT ALL, there is no Jesus, there is no god. The sooner we all realize this, the faster we will evolve to something better.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU



lmao



No... The faster you will DEVOLVE into progressively more and more evil.



"Thus says the Lord:

'Cursed is the man who trusts in man
And makes flesh his strength,
Whose heart departs from the Lord.

For he shall be like a shrub in the desert,
And shall not see when good comes,
But shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness,
In a salt land which is not inhabited.'"

~ If you are not paranoid, you are not paying attention ~

~ To act without clear understanding, to form habits without investigation, to follow a path all one's life without knowing where it really leads... Such is the behavior of the multitude ~

~ He in whom the fear of sin comes before wisdom, his wisdom will endure; but he in whom wisdom comes before the fear of sin, his wisdom will not endure ~
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How silly we look as followers of Christ arguing over scripture.

We certainly do not offer a good example to ones we need to bring to salvation.

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What should we do when there are wolves among the sheep?
sheepsheepsheep
The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who has been born of the Spirit.
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why is it people LOVE to put others down for what they believe???Sad.. we will ALL find out soon enough..
If Trumps peace deal is for 7 years and we are still here, then yes us who are pre-tribbers are wrong.. Leave us alone and let us find out one way or another...
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EASIEST PROOF for Pre Tribulation Rapture - Dr. Gene Kim



Too Many Evidence for Pre Trib Rapture!!!



Oh, Where to Put the Rapture? Before or After the Tribulation?

 Quoting: GreaseTank


That is one HIGHLY confused "Pastor". Making passages of scripture say things that they do NOT even come CLOSE to saying.

I could walk you though his errors, one by one, but I grew tired of that years ago. People will believe what they WANT to believe.

Nowadays, I just wish them luck with their biblical gymnastics. If they believe in a pre-trib rapture, they're really going to NEED it.

That demonic deception will cause millions to accept the Mark of the Beast, because they will not prepare mentally, physically, and spiritually, for what they WILL be going through. They will fold when the pressure comes, to accept the Mark, because as of now, they do not even believe they'll be here to face that situation.

You can tell yourself every day for the rest of your life that you are going to be raptured, and I will be here telling you that you are still here, and aren't going ANYWHERE, until the last Trumpet sounds.

The pre-trib rapture is a fairly recent doctrine that was hatched as a last days deception that will cause many to lose their faith, when they see all hell breaking loose, and that they are still here and aren't going ANYWHERE.
~ If you are not paranoid, you are not paying attention ~

~ To act without clear understanding, to form habits without investigation, to follow a path all one's life without knowing where it really leads... Such is the behavior of the multitude ~

~ He in whom the fear of sin comes before wisdom, his wisdom will endure; but he in whom wisdom comes before the fear of sin, his wisdom will not endure ~
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Stop posting videos, post scripture instead.
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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Bottom line is you so called christians are stuck in this shit hole just like the rest of us. Nobody is coming out of the clouds to save you. When the shtf people that prepare might survive, christians that expext someone to save them won't.
 Quoting: NDFarm

You can view the Bible as fiction. That shouldn't alter the story the book promotes. I push for the ones referenced in Re:1 as being the audience with the best chance of understanding the book when viewed by the perspective it has one single author. If 1/3 of the people are destined to die during a certain event the meaning of the words should be the same for both of us.
Some examples, people today would not wonder how the flood had 22 ft of rain fall on some high hills and mountain tops and take 150 days to run off simply means the rain fell as snow and that is how long it took to melt. That format used on the stories change them just enough that magic is replaced by physics we can understand today. That's the kind of God I tend to see in the Bible. Ge:1-3 and Re:20-22 is a mini version of the beginning and end of this earth and how is pulling the strings. The meaning doesn't change so the rest of the book has to fit that model. It does that by being entirely about the two bruises in Ge:3:15 and how they are set up and how they will be completed so Adam and Eve and all their children can be back in God's kingdom just in time for the perfected version of this earth to begin.

The story-line is pretty impressive once the prophecies are sorted according to which bruise they are referencing.

Another quick example. The exodus verse at the start of Ex:14 and a page from a Bible Atlas will show the water crossing was at the Bittern lakes where the Big one and the Little one join.

Cons write whole books and end up not shedding any light on the topic in their title.
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There is no rapture AT ALL, there is no Jesus, there is no god. The sooner we all realize this, the faster we will evolve to something better.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU



lmao



No... The faster you will DEVOLVE into progressively more and more evil.



"Thus says the Lord:

'Cursed is the man who trusts in man
And makes flesh his strength,
Whose heart departs from the Lord.

For he shall be like a shrub in the desert,
And shall not see when good comes,
But shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness,
In a salt land which is not inhabited.'"

 Quoting: WHEN DOES THE BS EVER END?


Did you know that its because of science that we are having this conversation? Or we can try your way, you pray for the big JC bring your message to me and mine to yours. Lets see which method works better.
WHEN DOES THE BS EVER END?

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why is it people LOVE to put others down for what they believe???Sad.. we will ALL find out soon enough..
If Trumps peace deal is for 7 years and we are still here, then yes us who are pre-tribbers are wrong.. Leave us alone and let us find out one way or another...
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There IS no 7 year peace deal. It's a total and complete distortion of Daniel 9:27, which refers to Christs ministry on earth being "cut off" in the middle of the "week" (7 days being 7 literal prophetic years.

Go read Daniel 9 for yourself. It is NOT referring to antichrist. It is referring to the Messiah, and His crucifixion.


"Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week,
But in the middle of the week. He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering." Daniel 9:27

Now go read the verses just BEFORE that. It is talking about Christ, not antichrist.

Show me ANYPLACE in scripture where antichrist makes a covenenant with ANYBODY.
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~ To act without clear understanding, to form habits without investigation, to follow a path all one's life without knowing where it really leads... Such is the behavior of the multitude ~

~ He in whom the fear of sin comes before wisdom, his wisdom will endure; but he in whom wisdom comes before the fear of sin, his wisdom will not endure ~
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why is it people LOVE to put others down for what they believe???Sad.. we will ALL find out soon enough..
If Trumps peace deal is for 7 years and we are still here, then yes us who are pre-tribbers are wrong.. Leave us alone and let us find out one way or another...
 Quoting: Oceanlover


There IS no 7 year peace deal. It's a total and complete distortion of Daniel 9:27, which refers to Christs ministry on earth being "cut off" in the middle of the "week" (7 days being 7 literal prophetic years.

Go read Daniel 9 for yourself. It is NOT referring to antichrist. It is referring to the Messiah, and His crucifixion.


"Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week,
But in the middle of the week. He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering." Daniel 9:27

Now go read the verses just BEFORE that. It is talking about Christ, not antichrist.

Show me ANYPLACE in scripture where antichrist makes a covenenant with ANYBODY.
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Yay, backup has arrived. Good posts!
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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There is no rapture AT ALL, there is no Jesus, there is no god. The sooner we all realize this, the faster we will evolve to something better.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU



lmao



No... The faster you will DEVOLVE into progressively more and more evil.



"Thus says the Lord:

'Cursed is the man who trusts in man
And makes flesh his strength,
Whose heart departs from the Lord.

For he shall be like a shrub in the desert,
And shall not see when good comes,
But shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness,
In a salt land which is not inhabited.'"

 Quoting: WHEN DOES THE BS EVER END?


Did you know that its because of science that we are having this conversation? Or we can try your way, you pray for the big JC bring your message to me and mine to yours. Lets see which method works better.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU





Did you know just how hilarious it is, some long time agitator clown calling himself "Maybe Trolling U" expects to be taken serious, and wants to convince us that when we give up our belief in God, that we can "evolve" into something better... like YOU?

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God's church, and elect, will only be saved after the tribulation, or time of trouble, at the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, when He comes in the clouds in His Father's glory, with His mighty angels.

Matthew 24:29-51
29 Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 Quoting: Photina


Nothing in your post shows its false

Do you believe God will leave his true followers to suffer with the evil ones who rejected him?

Makes no sense

Holy ones are already with Jesus in heaven (Zech. 14:5, Rev. 19:14)
The armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, follow Jesus out of heaven at His Second Coming (Rev.
19:14, Zech. 14:5, Col. 3:4). These are not angels because Rev. 19:8 tells us the fine linen is the
righteousness of the saints. In order to come out of heaven we first have to go in, indicating a
previous Rapture.

Kept from the hour of testing (Rev. 3:10)
Revelation 3:10 says we will be kept out of the hour of testing which will come upon the whole earth
(the Tribulation). Some wrongly believe that "keep" means to keep through, or protect through the
Tribulation. Suppose you approach a high voltage area with a sign that says, "Keep Out." Does
that mean you can enter and be protected? No, it means you are forbidden from entering the area.
But this verse also says He will keep us from the hour of testing. It is not just the testing, but the
time period. If a student is excused from a test, he still may have to sit in the class while others take
the test. But if he is excused from the hour of testing, he can go home. The Church will be called
home before the hour of testing.

Angels don't resurrect people when they gather them for judgment.
When the angels are sent forth to gather the elect at the Second Coming (Matt. 24:29-31), some
have wrongly interpreted this as the Rapture. There is a huge problem with this interpretation. If we
are resurrected at this time, why would we need angels to gather us? In the resurrection, we will be
like the angels (Matt. 22:30) and able to travel in the air at will. Obviously, these people who are
gathered are not resurrected, therefore it can't be the Rapture. No one would claim the wicked are
raptured at this time, yet Matthew 13:39-41, 49 says the angels will not only gather the elect, but
also the wicked. This gathering is not a resurrection.

Both wicked and righteous both can't be taken first.
First Thessalonians 4:13-17 says the righteous are taken and the wicked are left behind. Matthew
13:30, 49 says the wicked are taken first and the righteous are left behind. These verses point to
two separate events, the Rapture and the Second Coming.

Jesus will receive us to Himself, and not us to receive Him (John 14:2-3).
Jesus said He would prepare a place for the Church in heaven, and then He would come again to
receive us to Himself. Why would Jesus prepare a place for us in heaven and then not take us
there? At the Rapture, He will come to receive us to Himself, "that where I am (heaven), there you
may be also." If the Rapture occurred at the same time as the Second Coming, we would go up to
the clouds and then immediately come back to earth. That would contradict John 14:2-3.

The separation of the sheep and goats (Matt. 25:31-46)
If the Rapture occurred at the Second Coming, why would the sheep and the goats need to be
separated immediately after the Second Coming? A Rapture at the Second Coming would have
already separated the sheep from the goats. With a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, the many people
saved after the Rapture will need to be separated from the goats after the Second Coming.

Who will populate the Millennium?
If the Rapture occurs at the Second Coming and the wicked are cast into hell at that time, who will
be left to populate the Millennium? Only people in their natural (non-resurrected) bodies will be able
to have children (Matt. 22:30). With a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, the people saved after the Rapture
who are alive at the Second Coming will populate the earth during the Millennium

The 24 elders have their crowns.
After John is called up into heaven, he sees the 24 elders with their crowns (Rev. 4:4-10). We know
that Christians will receive their rewards (crowns) at the Rapture (2 Tim. 4:8, 1 Pet. 5:4). We will be
repaid at the resurrection of the righteous (Luke 14:14). The elders could not have received their
crowns unless the resurrection (Rapture) had taken place.

The Known Day and the Unknown Day
Concerning the return of Jesus, the Bible presents a day we can't know and a day we can know.
Matthew 25:13 says Jesus will return at an unknown time, while Revelation 12:6 says the Jews will
have to wait 1,260 days for the Lord to return. The 1,260 days begins when the Antichrist stands in
the Temple and declares himself to be God (Matt. 24:15-21, 2 Thess. 2:4). This event will take
place at the mid-point of the seven year Tribulation (Dan 9:27). The Antichrist has authority to rule
for 42 months, which is 1,260 days (Rev. 13:4) and will be destroyed by Jesus at His Second
Coming (Rev. 19:20, 2 Thess. 2:8). The known and unknown days happen at different times,
meaning they are two separate events.

Two different pictures are painted.
In the Old Testament, two different pictures are painted of the Messiah—one suffering (Isa. 53:2-10,
Ps. 22:6-8, 11-18) and one reigning as King (Ps. 2:6-12, Zech. 14:9,16). As we look back on these
Scriptures, we can see that they predicted two separate comings of the Messiah—the 1st coming as
a suffering Messiah and the 2nd coming (still future) as a reigning King.
In the New Testament, we have another picture added. Again, we have two pictures painted which
don’t look the same. These two different descriptions of Jesus’ coming point to two separate events
we call the Rapture and the Second Coming.

Zechariah 14:1-15 doesn't mention a resurrection.
This is an Old Testament picture of Jesus returning to earth at the Second Coming. Again, no
mention of a resurrection.


Revelation 19:11-21 doesn't mention a resurrection.
The Rapture is a resurrection of those "in Christ" (1 Thess. 4:13-18). Doesn’t it strike you as odd
that Rev. 19:11-21, which is the clearest picture of the Second Coming of Christ, does not mention a
resurrection? The Rapture will be the biggest event since the resurrection of Jesus where hundreds
of millions of Christians will be resurrected and translated, yet there isn't any mention of it here.
Don't you think it deserves at least one verse? The Rapture isn't mentioned because it doesn't
occur at the second coming.
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Stop posting videos, post scripture instead.
 Quoting: Photina

This verse is for after Satan and all the remaining fallen angels are sent to the fiery lake. The people alive for the 1,000 years are witnesses to that and then this verse is how they get to Mount Sion from Hebrews:12 as that is where the great white Throne is located. They arrive already perfected so they can enter New Jerusalem as soon as they arrive there.

Isa:51:6:
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

The prophecy below ties in with the creation of 'the time of the Gentiles' from Luke:21:24 as that started in 70AD. Re:11 picks it up when there are 42 months left.

De:4:30:
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
De:4:31:
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;)
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

The last woman in Re:12 are the people that are sealed from the effects of the trumps. The 144,000, the two witnesses, and the Church, whose final number is 1/3 of all gentiles that are alive on the day the 7th trump sounds. The 'remnant' being referenced is the two witnesses and them alone as they are the only ones preventing Satan and the Beast from gaining control of Jerusalem.
Jesus doesn't come and save Jerusalem, he comes 3 1/2 days after the celebration of her falling has been going on. God only allows Satan to have the city for 3 1/2 days.
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There is no rapture AT ALL, there is no Jesus, there is no god. The sooner we all realize this, the faster we will evolve to something better.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU



lmao



No... The faster you will DEVOLVE into progressively more and more evil.



"Thus says the Lord:

'Cursed is the man who trusts in man
And makes flesh his strength,
Whose heart departs from the Lord.

For he shall be like a shrub in the desert,
And shall not see when good comes,
But shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness,
In a salt land which is not inhabited.'"

 Quoting: WHEN DOES THE BS EVER END?


Did you know that its because of science that we are having this conversation? Or we can try your way, you pray for the big JC bring your message to me and mine to yours. Lets see which method works better.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU





Did you know just how hilarious it is, some long time agitator clown calling himself "Maybe Trolling U" expects to be taken serious, and wants to convince us that when we give up our belief in God, that we can "evolve" into something better... like YOU?

1rof1lmao1rof1
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Not necessarily like me, but simply different than you is already a good start. I refuse to believe that you don't see that religion is dragging mankind into a path of self destruction.
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There is no rapture AT ALL, there is no Jesus, there is no god. The sooner we all realize this, the faster we will evolve to something better.
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To this day, I still find it fascinating how adamant people like you are rejecting Christ.
I'm not a doctor; I don't have patience.
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Stop posting videos, post scripture instead.
 Quoting: Photina

This verse is for after Satan and all the remaining fallen angels are sent to the fiery lake. The people alive for the 1,000 years are witnesses to that and then this verse is how they get to Mount Sion from Hebrews:12 as that is where the great white Throne is located. They arrive already perfected so they can enter New Jerusalem as soon as they arrive there.

Isa:51:6:
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

The prophecy below ties in with the creation of 'the time of the Gentiles' from Luke:21:24 as that started in 70AD. Re:11 picks it up when there are 42 months left.

De:4:30:
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
De:4:31:
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;)
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

The last woman in Re:12 are the people that are sealed from the effects of the trumps. The 144,000, the two witnesses, and the Church, whose final number is 1/3 of all gentiles that are alive on the day the 7th trump sounds. The 'remnant' being referenced is the two witnesses and them alone as they are the only ones preventing Satan and the Beast from gaining control of Jerusalem.
Jesus doesn't come and save Jerusalem, he comes 3 1/2 days after the celebration of her falling has been going on. God only allows Satan to have the city for 3 1/2 days.
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The remnant is not literally two individual people. But yeah you have most of it right.

The remnant church all have the spirit of prophecy, and keep the commandments.
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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Not only false, but extremely dangerous if it causes those in despair to lose hope or feel as if they have been abandoned or rejected, it may lead them to lose all faith and think that there is no god at all.

How many souls will be lost because of rapture theories. A word that does not exist in any biblical text anywhere.

Even when God's people are called up, it says they shall be caught up with them refers to joining the dead and going to heaven. The word "caught up" may very well just be a more pleasant and poetic way of saying, your going to die and your soul will join those who have already passed years ago as you are all taken to the Lord.

I don't pretend to know the answer, but what amazes me the most is the stretch of the imagination it would take to interpret what the bible says into a magical evaporation of people who are teleported magically with no pain or discomfort to heaven and they don't have to suffer because they are the chosen ones.

Doesn't say that at all.

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This is likely the most common sense comment I’ve seen in a LONG time. I agree.
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The story-line is pretty impressive once the prophecies are sorted according to which bruise they are referencing.

Another quick example. The exodus verse at the start of Ex:14 and a page from a Bible Atlas will show the water crossing was at the Bittern lakes where the Big one and the Little one join.

Cons write whole books and end up not shedding any light on the topic in their title.
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The Bittern lakes? 1doh1

Here is a good list of folks who have seen evidence of the Exodus in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf of Aqaba.

Please note that ALL of these folks (except Philby) saw pretty much the sames things & places over a period of over 30 years.

Between the atheistic archaeological establishment and the Islamic political climate in Saudi Arabia, no one wants to / is ALLOWED to investigate.

H St. John Philby - Mt. Sinai in Midian book 1957

Ron Wyatt 1978 - 1985 CBS News on April 17, 1984

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Bob Cornuke and Larry Williams 1988

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Jim & Penny Caldwell 1992 - 1999

Their website [link to splitrockresearch.org]

Just one of their invterviews

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Viveka Ponten 1996 & 2000

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Dr. Lennart Moller 2000


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Aaron Sen 2000, 2003 & 2006

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Dr. David Kim 2001 - 2006

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I'm not going to tell anyone what to believe. I can tell people what I think to be true, but that's about as far as a person can go.

I think that the Bible is a remarkable Word in that God said exactly what He means, and means exactly what He says. Impossible that there is any human who can change that. I find that to be most assuring. Also, I can pretty much rest in that without getting all riled up about those who might come along and say that God is wrong.
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Daniel 3:4-6
4 Then an herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O people, nations, and languages, 5 That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.

Revelation 13:11-15
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth....12 he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast..13 And he doeth great wonders...14 And deceiveth... by the means of those miracles...saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast..15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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Matthew 24:21-22 - Jesus said there would be “great tribulation” which His followers (the “elect”) must endure. Yet for “the elects sake, those days shall be shortened.”

John 16:33 - Jesus Christ said to His followers, “In the world YOU shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

Acts 14:22 - Paul told Christians, “WE through much tribulation must enter the kingdom of God.”

Romans 5:3 - True Christians are to “glory in tribulations” because “tribulation works patience” and develops Christian character.

2 Thessalonians 1:4 - Paul wrote of the many “persecutions and tribulations” which “the churches of God” were enduring in the first century (Christians were thrown to the lions in the coliseum, eaten by wild dogs, burned at the stake and lit up as torches in Nero’s garden).

Revelation 1:9 - John was our “companion in tribulation.”

Revelation 2:9 - To His church, Jesus said, “I know your works and tribulation…”

Revelation 2:10 - Again to His church, Jesus said, “YOU shall have tribulation…”

Revelation 7:14 - God’s final people “came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” They did not escape it, but endured through it, being purified.

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Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV





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