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The Pre-tribulation rapture theory is false.

 
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God's church, and elect, will only be saved after the tribulation, or time of trouble, at the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, when He comes in the clouds in His Father's glory, with His mighty angels.

Matthew 24:29-51
29 Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

“Behold, the sower went out to sow; 4 and as he sowed, some seeds fell beside the road, and the birds came and ate them up. 5 “Others fell on the rocky places, where they did not have much soil; and immediately they sprang up, because they had no depth of soil. 6 “But when the sun had risen, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. 7 “Others fell among the thorns, and the thorns came up and choked them out. 8 “And others fell on the good soil and yielded a crop, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty. 9 “He who has ears, let him hear.”

18 “Hear then the parable of the sower. 19 “When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road. 20 “The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no firm root in himself, but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he falls away. 22 “And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 23 “And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty.”

Last Edited by Photina on 08/04/2018 03:45 AM
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
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He does promise some of the faithful he would spare them from the hour of trial.

How many, we are not told.

The rapture is explained at happening after the resurrection which happens after the two beasts rule for 42 months (book of Revelation).

I believe God will deliver the pious, the righteous, the elect, even the faithful.
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There is no rapture AT ALL, there is no Jesus, there is no god. The sooner we all realize this, the faster we will evolve to something better.
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Daniel 12:1-3
12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that SLEEP in the dust of the earth shall AWAKE, some to EVERLASTING LIFE, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

1 Corinthians 15:52
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the DEAD shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be CHANGED.

2 Peter 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the HEAVENS will PASS AWAY with a great noise, and the elements will MELT with fervent heat; both the EARTH and the works that are in it will be BURNED UP.

Matthew 13:41-43
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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Job 19:25-27, KJV
25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: 26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: 27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

Revelation 11:11-12, GNV
11 But after three days and an half, the spirit of life coming from God, shall enter into them, and they shall stand up upon their feet: and great fear shall come upon them which saw them.
12 And they shall hear a great voice from heaven, saying unto them, Come up hither: And they shall ascend up to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies shall see them.

Job 38:22-23
22Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
23Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

Song of Solomon 2:10-11, NKJV
10 My beloved spoke, and said to me:
Rise up, my love, my fair one,
And come away.

11 For lo, the winter is past,
The rain is over and gone.

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Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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There is no rapture AT ALL, there is no Jesus, there is no god. The sooner we all realize this, the faster we will evolve to something better.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


FALSE. just like OP.
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You say there is no God.. but I KNOW there is, experience will "Trump" theory every time ~ Evangelina

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TRUTH has Nothing to do with the Number of People Who are Convinced of it.

Silence in the face of evil is itself evil; God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.
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God's church, and elect, will only be saved after the tribulation, or time of trouble, at the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, when He comes in the clouds in His Father's glory, with His mighty angels.
 Quoting: Photina


NOPE. That is just one of your continuously (FALSE) interpretations.
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God's church, and elect, will only be saved after the tribulation, or time of trouble, at the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, when He comes in the clouds in His Father's glory, with His mighty angels.
 Quoting: Photina


NOPE. That is just one of your continuously (FALSE) interpretations.
 Quoting: Baloney


Well, prove me wrong. Crossing out my writing doesn't prove anything.

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Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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There is no rapture AT ALL, there is no Jesus, there is no god. The sooner we all realize this, the faster we will evolve to something better.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU



R u Trolling us now?
You say there is no God.. but I KNOW there is, experience will "Trump" theory every time ~ Evangelina

It is not the greatness of my faith that moves mountains but my faith in the Greatness of God

TRUTH has Nothing to do with the Number of People Who are Convinced of it.

Silence in the face of evil is itself evil; God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.
-Dietrich Bonhoeffer

NO AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE WILL EVER PERSUADE AN IDIOT ~~ MARK TWAIN
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There is no rapture AT ALL, there is no Jesus, there is no god. The sooner we all realize this, the faster we will evolve to something better.
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R u Trolling us now?
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Maybe.
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God's church, and elect, will only be saved after the tribulation, or time of trouble, at the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, when He comes in the clouds in His Father's glory, with His mighty angels.
 Quoting: Photina


NOPE. That is just one of your continuously (FALSE) interpretations.
 Quoting: Baloney


Well, prove me wrong. Crossing out my writing doesn't prove anything.
 Quoting: Photina


your post trib stance has already been proven wrong....many times over many threads....go back and read them.

considering all of the false interpretations, false teachings, and false doctrines you push, you stating the pre=trib rapture is false has no credibility whatsoever.
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God's church, and elect, will only be saved after the tribulation, or time of trouble, at the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, when He comes in the clouds in His Father's glory, with His mighty angels.
 Quoting: Photina


NOPE. That is just one of your continuously (FALSE) interpretations.
 Quoting: Baloney


Well, prove me wrong. Crossing out my writing doesn't prove anything.
 Quoting: Photina


your post trib stance has already been proven wrong....many times over many threads....go back and read them.

considering all of the false interpretations, false teachings, and false doctrines you push, you stating the pre=trib rapture is false has no credibility whatsoever.
 Quoting: Baloney


Thus far you have failed to produce any evidence.

Revelation 1:9 - John was our “companion in tribulation.”

Revelation 2:9 - To His church, Jesus said, “I know your works and tribulation…”

Revelation 2:10 - Again to His church, Jesus said, “YOU shall have tribulation…”

Revelation 7:14 - God’s final people “came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” They did not escape it, but endured through it, being purified.
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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Was about to say the same thing.

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Daniel 7:13-14
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Revelation 11:13-15
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

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Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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He does promise some of the faithful he would spare them from the hour of trial.

How many, we are not told.

The rapture is explained at happening after the resurrection which happens after the two beasts rule for 42 months (book of Revelation).

I believe God will deliver the pious, the righteous, the elect, even the faithful.
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Didnt deliver the disciples. Why would he deliver the weak sisters?
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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All of it is FALSE. You , photina, are a moran, and anyone who believes in your bullshit can continue shaving their legs, like good APES. You are created in the image of your false god, oh wait.
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God's church, and elect, will only be saved after the tribulation, or time of trouble, at the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, when He comes in the clouds in His Father's glory, with His mighty angels.

Matthew 24:29-51
29 Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 Quoting: Photina


I agree.
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Not only false, but extremely dangerous if it causes those in despair to lose hope or feel as if they have been abandoned or rejected, it may lead them to lose all faith and think that there is no god at all.

How many souls will be lost because of rapture theories. A word that does not exist in any biblical text anywhere.

Even when God's people are called up, it says they shall be caught up with them refers to joining the dead and going to heaven. The word "caught up" may very well just be a more pleasant and poetic way of saying, your going to die and your soul will join those who have already passed years ago as you are all taken to the Lord.

I don't pretend to know the answer, but what amazes me the most is the stretch of the imagination it would take to interpret what the bible says into a magical evaporation of people who are teleported magically with no pain or discomfort to heaven and they don't have to suffer because they are the chosen ones.

Doesn't say that at all.

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The hope of our righteousness is to receive our glorified bodies when the Lord comes for us in the Rapture!
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No, our hope is to be resurrected/given glorified bodies at the Second Coming, which takes place at the end of the world; which takes place after the tribulation.

2 Timothy 4:8
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.


1 Peter 1:3-6
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials.


Titus 2:13 NIV
"While we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

John 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

John 16:33
I have spoken these things to you so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation. But take courage; I have overcome the world."

Revelation 3:21
To the one who is victorious, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Revelation 12:11
They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; and they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death

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Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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this is what happens when you spend too much time in church and not enough time in school
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Something BIG is about to happen saints!!! The Rapture!!!! We have so many Calendars now no one really knows what time it is. The good news is that no one can be in error with regards to the positioning of the sun, the moon and the stars. Because of this, I believe, God's Calendar has finally been revealed. We had a Total Solar Eclipse on the 21st of August, 2017, and now we've had a blood moon [a Total Lunar Eclipse], over Jerusalem, on the 27th of July, 2018. By my count, according to the Celestial Calendar, Pentecost correctly falls on the 21st of August 2018. Could this really be it? Are we about to see the Word of God, spoken by Peter on the Day of Pentecost, come to pass in August 2018? I surely hope so!

"...Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them...this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy...The sun shall be turned into darkness [21st August 2017], And the moon into blood [27th July 2018], Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord [21st August 2018]. And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved.’" [Acts 2:14,16,17,20,21]

In other words, on Pentecost, whoever's going to call on the Lord Jesus Christ, by the Spirit of God within them, is going to receive their glorified bodies and ascend up into heaven in the Rapture!

The Celestial Calendar is the most accurate Calendar to date, for it's based only on the positions of the sun, moon and stars. These are the heavenly bodies Mankind can't interfere with. According to the Celestial Calendar, if we count off 7 Sabbaths and then number 50 days, Pentecost will fall on Tuesday the 21st of August 2018. The following is how I arrived at this Date:

Day 1 of the 1st Month of the Celestial New Year fell on the 30th of April 2018.

Day 14, which was Passover, fell on May 13th 2018.

Day 15 was the 1st Day of Unleavened Bread as well as a Sabbath. This was on May 14th, 2018, Israel's 70th Year Anniversary.

Day 16 was First-fruits and it fell on May 15th 2018.

It's important to remember that Sabbaths ONLY fall on the 8th,15th, 22nd and the 29th of every Celestial Month.

We FIRST count off 7 Sabbaths from May 15th, 2018, being Day 16 of the 1st Celestial Month of the Celestial Year we're now in.

1st Sabbath [Day 22 Month 1] 21st of May 2018.

2nd Sabbath [Day 29 Month 1] 28th of May 2018.

3rd Sabbath [Day 8 Month 2] 4th of June 2018.

4th Sabbath [Day 15 Month 2] 11th of June 2018.

5th Sabbath [Day 22 Month 2] 18th of June 2018.

6th Sabbath [Day 29 Month 2] 25th of June 2018.

7th Sabbath [Day 8 Month 3] 2nd July 2018.

We then number 50 Days starting from the 3rd of July 2018. It's interesting to note that when we count 25 Days, it brings us to the Blood Moon [Total Lunar Eclipse] that occurred on the 27th of July, 2018. When we then count another 25 Days, from the 28th of July, 2018, we arrive at PENTECOST., which is on Tuesday the 21st of August, 2018. This is the Date on which we should all be expecting the Lord to come for us in the Rapture! See you all in the Air!!! Hallelujah!!!
 Quoting: JUBILEE2018RAPTURE


The hubris of man, and his expectations of what counting will bring him.



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For all this, you'll have first to prove:
- That god exists
- The bible was written inspired by it
- The bible we have today is accurate to the first scripts
- That Jesus existed
- That Jesus is the son of god

Any statement not proven automatically invalidate any christian doctrine.
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Matthew 24 is for the Jebrews not the Church

and why were the Thessalonians freaked out thinking they missed it?
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The Thessalonians were told they missed it but Paul set them straight.

Paul did say that before we meet Christ some conditions must be met.

2 Thess 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

1) the Falling Away
2) The Man of Sin be revealed.

Does anyone know who the man of sin is? Has the falling away completed?
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Jesus' next return we will meet Him in the clouds, then attend the marriage supper of the lamb. He (Jesus) is then scheduled to return at the end of the 7yr Tribulation at what's commonly called the "Battle of Armageddon" or, "Battle at Megiddo", though it's not really much of a battle at all. NOW, whether that first return (in the clouds) is pre, mid, or post trib is still open to speculation/interpretation. If you're a mid tribber there's a lot of replacement theology you have to incorporate or it doesn't work & I'm not part of that crowd. My "hope" is in a pretribulation rapture however, it would behoove anyone to both physically & spiritually prepare for a post rapture.
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Spot on Phontina. but i caution you in that you will not be very successful in persuading those who are holding on to pretrib.
maybe a few might consider the truth of the matter.
just be careful to not get into a heated discussion that causes bad feelings and such. Unfortunately many will be those who are caught by surprise so we must heed what it says in Revelation about keeping our garments clean and spotless.
but spot on on the pretrib is a false theory.
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Re: The Pre-tribulation rapture theory is false.
Matthew 24 is for the Jebrews not the Church

and why were the Thessalonians freaked out thinking they missed it?
 Quoting: Red John


The Thessalonians were told they missed it but Paul set them straight.

Paul did say that before we meet Christ some conditions must be met.

2 Thess 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

1) the Falling Away
2) The Man of Sin be revealed.

Does anyone know who the man of sin is? Has the falling away completed?
 Quoting: Achduke7


Falling away is the fall of Rome. Man of sin appears in 538 AD; the little horn/papacy/the antichrist.
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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Re: The Pre-tribulation rapture theory is false.
Matthew 24 is for the Jebrews not the Church

and why were the Thessalonians freaked out thinking they missed it?
 Quoting: Red John


The Thessalonians were told they missed it but Paul set them straight.

Paul did say that before we meet Christ some conditions must be met.

2 Thess 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

1) the Falling Away
2) The Man of Sin be revealed.

Does anyone know who the man of sin is? Has the falling away completed?
 Quoting: Achduke7


Falling away is the fall of Rome. Man of sin appears in 538 AD; the little horn/papacy/the antichrist.
 Quoting: Photina


I think the falling away was the lack of truth which the RCC and Rome play a hugh part in. The papacy could definitely be an antichrist but is the Pope the man of sin. The bible makes it sound as if there is only one but there have been many Popes. Maybe the last will be the worst but I do not see the RCC really having much sway over governments other than as a token gesture they all play to the Pope.
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Re: The Pre-tribulation rapture theory is false.
God's church, and elect, will only be saved after the tribulation, or time of trouble, at the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, when He comes in the clouds in His Father's glory, with His mighty angels.

Matthew 24:29-51
29 Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 Quoting: Photina


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