RE: the missing Iowa girl.....

Bob was into BDSM, Jane was not, he had a “slave” he wanted to marry.

He went to the vigil and acted like a hot shot, lapping up the attention.

Stalkers usually have a relationship with their prey. They are rejected and don't go away. And have restraining orders... random stalking is something different entirely.

Her fitbit pinging close to him could be an indication of something. are there more details on that?

Yeah ... I am a junkie for these cases. But my memory fails remembering things. I used to watch shows on old cases ... and I follow ones that make National news. Probably started with Son of Sam and Wayne Williams when I was a kid ... on to Scott Peterson and Oj ... and all in between.

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Nobody wants Mollie found more than us n Iowa.... you are missing the big picture here!!!! Where the FUCK are the other 47 that went missing from our state in the last 2 weeks???!!!! Why is this not the headlines of EVERY news story!! If a plane went missing with 48 aboard you would hear about this EVERY freaking second!!! COME ON HELP US HERE!!

Is your local news reporting on this?

and he left his cell phone at the construction site so it didn't ping by the girlfriend.

but Jack boyfriend lived with Brother and sister-in-law who were on their way to Dominican Republic to get married, so if they were gone then there were no witnesses and girlfriend was in the house alone... because the brother would have watched the dogs.

Wayne stalker doesn't own pig farm. So Jack boyfriend could have even dumped her body there. and that explains the fitbit ping too.

Does the construction site have recorded mileage reimbursement for Jack boyfriend?

Facebook is blowing up Locally with this and here is a local story .. although the number has risen to 48!

[link to khak.com]

wow. this is alarming.

MissCleo,

Well, we already know he IS a stalker. Admitted it in court. Twice, in fact. Probably started that behavior a long time prior to that.

Strangers as victims: These victims are typically unaware of how their stalkers began stalking because typically these stalkers form a sense of admiration for their victims from a distance (Mullen, Paul E.; Pathé, Michele (2002-01-01). "Stalking". Crime and Justice. 29: 273–318.)

Since in most states, "third strike" is a felony, if I'm two-time loser Wayne Cheney, perhaps I simply cannot control my urge, and this time, it's for all the marbles.

He knows if he gets caught this time--- buh bye.

Unfortunately for his victims. Hypothetically.

I have absolutely no proof. I watched the video, saw the dirty and stained shirt he wore, and transcribed his words.

He keeps saying, the investigation is a "waste of time."

Right. Because doing things to help find that missing girl Mollie Tibbits, is all just a waste of time.

Me tooooo.
and JonBenet Ramsey, and Casey Anthony.
I was in NJ in the area when Son of Sam was out there. creeped me out.

Yeah both of them too. The Ramsey case still bothers me. Occasionally I run across stuff about that case and still follow it.

I local girl at my son’s High school got some award at graduation ... for her class project she scored an interview with David Berkowitz. Apparently he is a changed man. That would be a cool interview.

the psychology part is missing.
Stalkers don't care about the consequences, like alcoholics, they can't help themselves and fall off the wagon and drink again. But yeah, that would explain his interview, thinking the Media is trying to pin him with a third case and he's gone. But for actually being guilty... doesn't match.
He's a creep for sure and will get run out of town, for another sheriff department to watch unless he gets nailed for this crime.

the boyfriend has the motive, means and opportunity just as much as the Stalker. covering up Mollie's pregnancy was the motive, my guess.

Where are you getting this statistic?

Did you see the Dr Phil interview with Burke Ramsey, he totally did it.

Berkowitz was scary. A troubled child and then in the military.

As President Trump has said...they're not all bad at the FBI.....because:

"The FBI employs approximately 35,000 people, including special agents and support professionals such as intelligence analysts, language specialists, scientists, and information technology specialists." [link to www.fbi.gov (secure)]

You know this, how?

This was posted.


[link to khak.com]

Yeah, most pregnant women go jogging in the hottest part of July, alone.

I do however, respectfully disagree about stalkers not caring about consequences. I would argue that is precisely the defining quality.

They are hardly impulsive-- the opposite in fact.

Late Old English -stealcian (in bistealcian ‘walk cautiously or stealthily’), of Germanic origin; (OED)

Cautious. Stealthy. Always careful. Ever thoughtful.

MissCleo wrote: "the boyfriend has the motive, means and opportunity just as much as the Stalker."

So yes, we agree Wayne Cheney has the means, motive, and opportunity. But unlike the boyfriend (as far as I know), has no known psychopathic criminal background.

If I were an FBI profiler (which I am not, not even close), I might think the leap from Stalking to Kidnapping is not such a deep gulch.

I believe this is precisely the sort of person who might surveil, stalk, track, locate, and subdue his victim.

BUT...to your point, yes, also a perfect person to set up as a patsy. Maaaaaybe that was part of the boyfriends super-arch-evil plan. But that level of chess is beyond most 20-something kids I know.

However, as to some other nodes on this thread (complex Mockingbird psy-op), I guess the Patsy model would certainly fit. A much higher level psy-op scenario would definitely know about the strong, albeit circumstantial, evidence as it preponders to one Mr. Wayne Cheney.

He would be the obvious fall guy, in that theory model.

Burke was always the logical choice. I saw it but don’t remember it. I remember his stupid laugh though.

Okay, so there was no disrespect meant as far as the media. Try to understand it from our point of view. I have some inside, personal info here. Cannot go along with the official story. Sorry.

Am I the only one who read the khak link? Allow me:

"In light of the missing person investigation of Molly Tibbits, concerns have come to light about the number of juveniles reported missing in Iowa in recent weeks. In FY 2017 4,311 juveniles were reported missing to The Missing Person Information Clearinghouse. This is an average of approximately 12 juveniles a day. The vast majority of which are found or returned home within 24 hours. Typically these cases are runaway situations. The number of missing juveniles reported in recent weeks is in line with historical numbers."

There is absolutely nothing odd with the traumatic events that the parents and the entire family are going thru. They have shed so many tears but at this point they 100% believe she is still alive and will return home.

There was a lead in Missouri that did not check out.
The fitbit data appears to have lead them to an area by hog confinement buildings.
Again today they found a red shirt when a farmer was mowing in an area by the hog confinement building.
I have not heard but the red shirt appears to be one of the last things she was last seen wearing.

Like most of these cases I fear the worst but hope for the best.

girlfriend was either newly pregnant or less than 3 months. a wedding so close to the brothers was probably going to be inconvenient.
just a guess.

and who again witnessed her jogging at 7:30 on Monday night?

Tell you what, if the boyfriend went clubbing and got a tattoo that says "La Dolce Vita", that might be a bad sign



Re: Ramsays

Yeah, I saw the Burke/Phil interview. I think he at least is the other voice on the 911 call, and that he was at least there in the morning (not sleeping until 9:30 or whenever). I'm still wondering about that whole case, myself.

Also...the boyfriend...was out of town working.

NOOOOO. I don't want to believe another beautiful young woman was murdered and fed to the pigs.

Stalker was waiting outside for her in the morning? And kidnapped her and took her out into a field?

NOOOOOOOO. that's awful.

Not sure who saw the jogging, if anybody, actually. I believe it was surmised from a text she sent BF, like, "going jogging". Maybe she never did? That's what I remember, I could be wrong.

Or the witness could have been interviewed right away, and it was the next door lady, or something.

Also, re: the brother

Although supposedly both the BF, his brother, and his soon to be sister in law all lived at the house, the brother was said to be 80 miles away spending time with his fiancee's parents.

They were due to get married 3 weeks later, but have put that on hold, considering.

What real motive would Mollie's BF have, though, really? He already gets to spend time with her, kiss her, hang out together. Perhaps even loved her, deeply.

What possibly gain could come from abducting his beautiful intelligent funny girlfriend? I just don't see it, not in a million years. Let's face it, she would be the hottest girlfriend most men would ever get in their entire lives. Not to be crass, but, I cannot grasp any motive, whatsoever. Respectfully.

What’s the deal with the guy who was filming the joggers? I don’t believe in coincidences..... but then again you have a creepy stalker living 10 minutes away... on a pig farm. WTF, this could easily be a movie script.

Yeah, some on here think it's possible he left his phone at the job site, drove there, did the thing, drove back, answered his phone, and started the cover up that way.

Other suspect a possible pregnancy as a motive for the abduction.

I personally don't see it, but it is possible.

I suppose, if you're willing to kill a baby (I mean, without a license) you are immoral enough to do anything.

Also, the third popular theory is the government psy-op, as a giant staged event to puff up the chests of the MSM and FBI.

Of course, this runs contrary to the fourth theory, which holds that Iowa is a massive human trafficking centre. Which, if true, would be the last place you'd think the deep state would spring a missing persons controlled media event.

You'd think they'd actually want to divert attention--- anywhere else. Like, anywhere else.

So, in summary:
the undercard is:
Govt Psy-OP vs. Human trafficking ring
&
Boyfriend/family vs. Creepy convicted local stalker who lives next to a pig processing plant.

Good luck.

For sure anything is possible but I just came across another thread that showed the interview with the hog farmer. I had not even heard of this guy and nothing of this sorts was even posted by the local new agencies. Crazy that I find it here first.