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Photina
(OP) User ID: 1426064 Canada 07/26/2018 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I saw you post that but can't watch at the time being; that's what inspired this thread, though. Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies. Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV |
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Photina
(OP) User ID: 1426064 Canada 07/26/2018 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yup. The Holy Spirit is not a " third being " who isn't Jesus, mediating between man and God. It's Christ's presence through the spirit within us (which comes from the Father). It's the spirit of Christ, which makes us Sons of God and members of God's family. Last Edited by Photina on 07/26/2018 07:59 PM Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies. Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV |
El Pato
User ID: 74105153 United States 07/26/2018 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | King James Bible And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Gee Wally what does this mean? If you don’t know I guess you just skip the verse. Lol El Pato |
Photina
(OP) User ID: 1426064 Canada 07/26/2018 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Colossians 2:8-10 “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And you are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:” 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, 13-14 “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if you receive another spirit, which you have not received, or another gospel, which you have not accepted, you might well bear with him. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.” Last Edited by Photina on 07/27/2018 01:48 PM Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies. Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV |
El Pato
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Photina
(OP) User ID: 1426064 Canada 07/26/2018 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guess who is the Holy Spirit in Religion? Yap. The prince and power of the air. How could this be? You put a man btween you and the high priest. It’s your fault. Quoting: El Pato Exactly. It's Satan trying "to be like the Most High". Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies. Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV |
Photina
(OP) User ID: 1426064 Canada 07/26/2018 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yup. The Holy Spirit is not a " third being " who isn't Jesus, mediating between man and God. It's Christ's presence through the spirit within us (which comes from the Father). It's the spirit of Christ, which makes us Sons of God and members of God's family. Please correct me if I'm wrong, mrlol . Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies. Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV |
1908247
User ID: 76790730 Brazil 07/26/2018 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yup. The Holy Spirit is not a " third being " who isn't Jesus, mediating between man and God. It's Christ's presence through the spirit within us (which comes from the Father). It's the spirit of Christ, which makes us Sons of God and members of God's family. I understand, and do initially agree with it being the spirit of Christ. But what about this verse? John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; In these words Jesus seems to be referring to an advocate other than himself. Nus |
Photina
(OP) User ID: 1426064 Canada 07/26/2018 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yup. The Holy Spirit is not a " third being " who isn't Jesus, mediating between man and God. It's Christ's presence through the spirit within us (which comes from the Father). It's the spirit of Christ, which makes us Sons of God and members of God's family. I understand, and do initially agree with it being the spirit of Christ. But what about this verse? John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; In these words Jesus seems to be referring to an advocate other than himself. To even entertain this would be acknowledging another possible mediator between man and God. Another "way" and another "life", another spirit, another Christ, etc. Last Edited by Photina on 07/26/2018 08:08 PM Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies. Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV |
LTHN.
User ID: 5037551 Canada 07/26/2018 08:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yup. The Holy Spirit is not a " third being " who isn't Jesus, mediating between man and God. It's Christ's presence through the spirit within us (which comes from the Father). It's the spirit of Christ, which makes us Sons of God and members of God's family. Nice. "A wise man listens to the message and uses his logic and discernment to process it, a fool negates the message by prejudging the messenger." "He whose centre is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere." |
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Photina
(OP) User ID: 1426064 Canada 07/26/2018 08:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Correct. They believe that Muhammad is the mediator/prophet/servant/messenger of God. That's why he's a false messiah/Christ. That's why they deny that Jesus is the Son of God; Because the mediator between God and men is Jesus the Son of God. To put it simply Muslims are overtly Antichrist whereas Roman Catholics and Apostate Protestants are deceived and are covertly Antichrist. In Christianity, a liar, if anyone is the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ/Son of God. In Islam, it is the ultimate lie and blasphemy to say that God has a Son. Last Edited by Photina on 07/26/2018 08:21 PM Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies. Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV |
1908247
User ID: 76790730 Brazil 07/26/2018 08:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yup. The Holy Spirit is not a " third being " who isn't Jesus, mediating between man and God. It's Christ's presence through the spirit within us (which comes from the Father). It's the spirit of Christ, which makes us Sons of God and members of God's family. I understand, and do initially agree with it being the spirit of Christ. But what about this verse? John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; In these words Jesus seems to be referring to an advocate other than himself. To even entertain this would be acknowledging another possible mediator between man and God. Another "way" and another "life", another spirit, another Christ, etc. Not necessarily. Do you believe that it could refer to a mediator between man and the spirit of Christ which comforts? John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Nus |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70851936 United States 07/26/2018 08:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yup. The Holy Spirit is not a " third being " who isn't Jesus, mediating between man and God. It's Christ's presence through the spirit within us (which comes from the Father). It's the spirit of Christ, which makes us Sons of God and members of God's family. Please correct me if I'm wrong, mrlol . You worded it fine. It is the Fathers Spirit which He gave to His Son, who in turn gives it to us. John 4:24 - "God is a Spirit" As you posted from Galatians in the op "Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit draws us to the Father. And if we reject the Spirit calling us to the Father, then you have this warning... Matthew 12:31-32 31. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. |
Photina
(OP) User ID: 1426064 Canada 07/26/2018 08:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Photina Yup. The Holy Spirit is not a " third being " who isn't Jesus, mediating between man and God. It's Christ's presence through the spirit within us (which comes from the Father). It's the spirit of Christ, which makes us Sons of God and members of God's family. I understand, and do initially agree with it being the spirit of Christ. But what about this verse? John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; In these words Jesus seems to be referring to an advocate other than himself. To even entertain this would be acknowledging another possible mediator between man and God. Another "way" and another "life", another spirit, another Christ, etc. Not necessarily. Do you believe that it could refer to a mediator between man and the spirit of Christ which comforts? John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. It's the spirit of Christ. His presence in us. Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies. Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV |
The Cherished One
User ID: 76725628 United States 07/26/2018 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not to start a fight or anything, but you should really ask King Solomon...He knew very well... :) Peace Last Edited by The Cherished One on 07/26/2018 08:58 PM Thread: The Cherished One ...do remember my agreement with everyone when having these little conversations. There is no judgment on my end of things nor any expectations on my part. You are free to believe what you wish. A message of Hope… [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
Photina
(OP) User ID: 1426064 Canada 07/26/2018 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Psalm 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 1 Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. Isaiah 40:13 Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, Or as His counselor has informed Him? Romans 11:34 "Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been His counselor?" Eph 4 22That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. The Holy Spirit is not an angel, or a third being. It's Christ's presence in us, his mind, which works upon our own minds, and hearts, and bears witness to us, that we are Sons of God, in Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Last Edited by Photina on 07/26/2018 09:18 PM Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies. Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV |
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Photina
(OP) User ID: 1426064 Canada 07/26/2018 09:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not to start a fight or anything, but you should really ask King Solomon...He knew very well... :) Quoting: The Cherished One Peace Explain what you mean by this? Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies. Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV |
1908247
User ID: 76790730 Brazil 07/26/2018 09:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I always interpreted Jesus saying he will send another Comforter in John 14:16 as he referring to another that will come in his name, in the name of Jesus Christ, to bring into remembrance of the words he spoke (John 14:26) thus ending the continuous paradigm of covert deception of the church (the Roman Catholics and the Apostate Protestant) to which you referred aswell. I'm not sure this does not go into conflict with what you said. This comforter, if another person different from Jesus Christ, would come in his name and service, would abide by his words, would openly bring into rememberance the work of Jesus Christ. This means he would also bring people to Christ. At a time of tribulation, a man helps another to remember the words of Christ, helps him come to Christ thus helping him recognize the presence of Christ in him. Isn't that the work of a Comforter? A guide to the spirit of Christ perhaps. I don't agree when you say this means another mediator between man and God. This interpretation does not put the Comforter in the same level as Jesus Christ, nor am I considering the Comforter as part of a trinity with God and Christ. I appreciate your point of view though, you got me thinking. Nus |
The Cherished One
User ID: 76725628 United States 07/26/2018 09:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not to start a fight or anything, but you should really ask King Solomon...He knew very well... :) Quoting: The Cherished One Peace Explain what you mean by this? King Solomon writings clearly answers your question dear soul. I could answer you plainly, but I don't debate or argue with my brothers and sisters over such thing. We are all at different levels and degrees in our knowledge and faith and simply love them too much..selah Peace Thread: The Cherished One ...do remember my agreement with everyone when having these little conversations. There is no judgment on my end of things nor any expectations on my part. You are free to believe what you wish. A message of Hope… [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
Photina
(OP) User ID: 1426064 Canada 07/26/2018 09:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I always interpreted Jesus saying he will send another Comforter in John 14:16 as he referring to another that will come in his name, in the name of Jesus Christ, to bring into remembrance of the words he spoke (John 14:26) thus ending the continuous paradigm of covert deception of the church (the Roman Catholics and the Apostate Protestant) to which you referred aswell. Quoting: 1908247 I'm not sure this does not go into conflict with what you said. This comforter, if another person different from Jesus Christ, would come in his name and service, would abide by his words, would openly bring into rememberance the work of Jesus Christ. This means he would also bring people to Christ. At a time of tribulation, a man helps another to remember the words of Christ, helps him come to Christ thus helping him recognize the presence of Christ in him. Isn't that the work of a Comforter? A guide to the spirit of Christ perhaps. I don't agree when you say this means another mediator between man and God. This interpretation does not put the Comforter in the same level as Jesus Christ, nor am I considering the Comforter as part of a trinity with God and Christ. I appreciate your point of view though, you got me thinking. It's not a "being" or entity. There are only two beings we should be dealing with, God and His Son. It's Satan trying to get in between us and God. Last Edited by Photina on 07/26/2018 09:21 PM Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies. Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV |
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zosar999
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1908247
User ID: 76790730 Brazil 07/26/2018 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not to start a fight or anything, but you should really ask King Solomon...He knew very well... :) Quoting: The Cherished One Peace Explain what you mean by this? King Solomon writings clearly answers your question dear soul. I could answer you plainly, but I don't debate or argue with my brothers and sisters over such thing. We are all at different levels and degrees in our knowledge and faith and simply love them too much..selah Peace I would very much like to see that so I can ponder later on. In which book is this wrtitten? It is good to see you around. Nus |
Photina
(OP) User ID: 1426064 Canada 07/26/2018 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Muhammad was the comforter and in true islaam the messiah yashua or isa is glorified more than the prophet Muhammad. The problem is most muslims cant read Arabic and can't decipher isa s attributes from Muhammads. Quoting: zosar999 You call him the Messiah but do you call him the Son of God? Quranic Yashua is not the Biblical (true) Messiah. Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies. Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV |
Photina
(OP) User ID: 1426064 Canada 07/26/2018 09:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not to start a fight or anything, but you should really ask King Solomon...He knew very well... :) Quoting: The Cherished One Peace Explain what you mean by this? King Solomon writings clearly answers your question dear soul. I could answer you plainly, but I don't debate or argue with my brothers and sisters over such thing. We are all at different levels and degrees in our knowledge and faith and simply love them too much..selah Peace Stop being vague, I've read "Solomon's writing"; I have no idea what you're talking about. Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies. Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV |
The Cherished One
User ID: 76725628 United States 07/26/2018 09:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not to start a fight or anything, but you should really ask King Solomon...He knew very well... :) Quoting: The Cherished One Peace Explain what you mean by this? King Solomon writings clearly answers your question dear soul. I could answer you plainly, but I don't debate or argue with my brothers and sisters over such thing. We are all at different levels and degrees in our knowledge and faith and simply love them too much..selah Peace I would very much like to see that so I can ponder later on. In which book is this wrtitten? It is good to see you around. Hello dear soul I tread in here very carefully because of the subject matter. However most of King Solomon's writing's including The book of wisdom has the answer. If you need more info, you can ask me in my own thread, for I do not wish to debate something I Know...for I would rather, for the time being, remain silent on the matter, then debate something I've known for a very long time, not just because of scripture, but because of the RELATIONSHIP with God. Peace Thread: The Cherished One ...do remember my agreement with everyone when having these little conversations. There is no judgment on my end of things nor any expectations on my part. You are free to believe what you wish. A message of Hope… [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |