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Friendly discussion and thought exercise to religious people

 
MaybeTrollingU  (OP)

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1) Creation has more scientific backing than evolution. This is a fact.
2) If therefore 'Creation' there must be a 'Creator'.
3) If a 'Creator' then there must be a GOD.
4) Of all the world 'religions', Christianity makes the most sense - and yes I have studied others.

So to say that I should imagine that my "religion" (and that term is too broad a brush for me) is a lie would mean I would have to ignore scientific fact and the obvious observation that the world is structured and ordered by a Creator, not just a result of happenstance.

So your opening statement is flawed - you are asking me to become a stupid ignorant retard. Which I cannot be.

There - I've answered your question. You answer mine.

Imagine that GOD is real and you will have to account for your sins on judgement day.
What will you do?
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I don't think you did. The proposal here is the take all religion "truth" out of the contest, you reused to do so. I would classify you as the ones incapable of abstract thinking.
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Its a thought exercise, an abstraction exercise. If you can, imagine that all you know about your specific religion is a lie. Like all the religions along history that arise, faded and die, think that your religion is also a lie. What would you do?

- If you can't do it and go with the path "It can't be" or "I just can't cope with such an idea", don't bother posting.
- Don't quote the bible, its pointless for the exercise, if you can't do it, you fall under the category above, of people incapable of abstract thinking
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU

If all religions are untrue, then Atheism, which is also a religion (your self replacing God, as the center of the belief system or unbelief system), is also untrue.
Then there is nothing left to say or do, no point of reference to go from.

There is no existence without Religion, even if it is being an Atheist.
Because we all believe in something, even if we try very hard not to admit it, or deny it as I am sure you will try to do.

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Ok! Thanks for your answer
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1) Creation has more scientific backing than evolution. This is a fact.
2) If therefore 'Creation' there must be a 'Creator'.
3) If a 'Creator' then there must be a GOD.
4) Of all the world 'religions', Christianity makes the most sense - and yes I have studied others.

So to say that I should imagine that my "religion" (and that term is too broad a brush for me) is a lie would mean I would have to ignore scientific fact and the obvious observation that the world is structured and ordered by a Creator, not just a result of happenstance.

So your opening statement is flawed - you are asking me to become a stupid ignorant retard. Which I cannot be.

There - I've answered your question. You answer mine.

Imagine that GOD is real and you will have to account for your sins on judgement day.
What will you do?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72530568


I don't think you did. The proposal here is the take all religion "truth" out of the contest, you reused to do so. I would classify you as the ones incapable of abstract thinking.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


Took you long enough to formulate a response.
You did a good job dodging the facts.
I believe it is you who refuse to contemplate they may be wrong.
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1) Creation has more scientific backing than evolution. This is a fact.
2) If therefore 'Creation' there must be a 'Creator'.
3) If a 'Creator' then there must be a GOD.
4) Of all the world 'religions', Christianity makes the most sense - and yes I have studied others.

So to say that I should imagine that my "religion" (and that term is too broad a brush for me) is a lie would mean I would have to ignore scientific fact and the obvious observation that the world is structured and ordered by a Creator, not just a result of happenstance.

So your opening statement is flawed - you are asking me to become a stupid ignorant retard. Which I cannot be.

There - I've answered your question. You answer mine.

Imagine that GOD is real and you will have to account for your sins on judgement day.
What will you do?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72530568


I don't think you did. The proposal here is the take all religion "truth" out of the contest, you reused to do so. I would classify you as the ones incapable of abstract thinking.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


Took you long enough to formulate a response.
You did a good job dodging the facts.
I believe it is you who refuse to contemplate they may be wrong.
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I was lunching.
And still, you are the dodging the question. I want to know from you, don't shift things.
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Its a thought exercise, an abstraction exercise. If you can, imagine that all you know about your specific religion is a lie. Like all the religions along history that arise, faded and die, think that your religion is also a lie. What would you do?

- If you can't do it and go with the path "It can't be" or "I just can't cope with such an idea", don't bother posting.
- Don't quote the bible, its pointless for the exercise, if you can't do it, you fall under the category above, of people incapable of abstract thinking
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


Some Christians started with your premise and thought it would be easy to disprove the Bible and that Jesus Christ is the son of God. Men like Yale trained Lee Strobels or Josh McDowell. Then you find out all the scholarship and archeology and history and science and how the world actually works and things like the vibratory nature of everything and fibonacci sequences and sacred geometry and the pervasiveness of blood sacrificing etc etc and eventually you realize, if you sincerely want to know th we truth, that the only truth is Jesus Christ and the Bible and most everything else is lipstick on a pig...savy?
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Still waiting for OP to answer his own question..........

I may be a skeleton by then.
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Re: Friendly discussion and thought exercise to religious people
Its a thought exercise, an abstraction exercise. If you can, imagine that all you know about your specific religion is a lie. Like all the religions along history that arise, faded and die, think that your religion is also a lie. What would you do?

- If you can't do it and go with the path "It can't be" or "I just can't cope with such an idea", don't bother posting.
- Don't quote the bible, its pointless for the exercise, if you can't do it, you fall under the category above, of people incapable of abstract thinking
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


Some Christians started with your premise and thought it would be easy to disprove the Bible and that Jesus Christ is the son of God. Men like Yale trained Lee Strobels or Josh McDowell. Then you find out all the scholarship and archeology and history and science and how the world actually works and things like the vibratory nature of everything and fibonacci sequences and sacred geometry and the pervasiveness of blood sacrificing etc etc and eventually you realize, if you sincerely want to know th we truth, that the only truth is Jesus Christ and the Bible and most everything else is lipstick on a pig...savy?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74427916


That's a statement(actually a bunch of claims), but none of them has anything to do with what I asked. Again: strip your religion away, suppose it is all a lie, what would you do?
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Still waiting for OP to answer his own question..........

I may be a skeleton by then.
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Its a thought exercise, an abstraction exercise. If you can, imagine that all you know about your specific religion is a lie. Like all the religions along history that arise, faded and die, think that your religion is also a lie. What would you do?

- If you can't do it and go with the path "It can't be" or "I just can't cope with such an idea", don't bother posting.
- Don't quote the bible, its pointless for the exercise, if you can't do it, you fall under the category above, of people incapable of abstract thinking
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU

If all religions are untrue, then Atheism, which is also a religion (your self replacing God, as the center of the belief system or unbelief system), is also untrue.
Then there is nothing left to say or do, no point of reference to go from.

There is no existence without Religion, even if it is being an Atheist.
Because we all believe in something, even if we try very hard not to admit it, or deny it as I am sure you will try to do.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76689602


Let's suppose all religions, including atheism, are indeed untrue. Does it then really follow that there is no existence? Even if all belief systems are false, does this mean that you, yourself, no longer exist? Even if everything you believed about yourself turned out to be false, would it change the fact that you exist?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11375876

I think you misunderstand.
Either you believe in a God or in absence of that you make yourself as "god".

"God" controls your destiny, fate, etc. So if you believe you control that, then you are now, replacing "god" with yourself or making yourself as God.

Thus there is no way to exist with out "god",( as in a specific religion) or a religion of self (your self as god).
Everyone choose one or the other. Whether you consciously realize it or not.

So in the abstract, there is no existence without religion. Someone or something, some belief system, etc, must guide your decision making process( basically your morality) and thus your actions.
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I care because you saidany you would stop believing in anyone or anything. That's a dangerous path to tread, so I thought it might be helpful to establish something you could believe in without question.
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My life has been one person after another destroying the grounds for one belief in hopes of establishing the next. If this were a hundred years ago, there would be an out of opportunity, but authority has always been risk averse and now the avenues of escape and alternative success are closed. Retreating into a schizo fantasy is apparently evil and selfish, so dying inside as a prelude to dying outside is a way for the meaningless punishment not to set me up again. Believing in people who hurt you and lie to you means believing you deserve it. What's the point in that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76585116


It is true that for whatever reason, beliefs are constantly changing and being replaced by different beliefs. But is it true that all avenues are closed? If you wish to not be set up to be hurt or lied to, would it not make sense to find a secure starting point, or ground of being, that is immune from shifting belief?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11375876

That would be 'no belief.' I stopped listening to music quite a while ago, which should clue you in to where I'm at now, believe me or not. There was a mad scramble for meaning, and then for sense, and now for nothingness. If answers are so dangerous to give, it's better to let people you claim to care about keep believing, is it not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76585116


From what I am reading, which is of course and an incomplete or inaccurate picture, you seem as if you have been let down by various beliefs and are therefore hesitant about adapting new ones because of the fear of being hurt or lied to again.

This is why I asked you if you felt it was of value to find a secure ground of being in the midst of shifting belief.
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Its a thought exercise, an abstraction exercise. If you can, imagine that all you know about your specific religion is a lie. Like all the religions along history that arise, faded and die, think that your religion is also a lie. What would you do?

- If you can't do it and go with the path "It can't be" or "I just can't cope with such an idea", don't bother posting.
- Don't quote the bible, its pointless for the exercise, if you can't do it, you fall under the category above, of people incapable of abstract thinking
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


If all religion is false and there is no God, then my Belief would be just as valid as your Unbelief.
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Still waiting for OP to answer his own question..........

I may be a skeleton by then.
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 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


That is what you believe. Not the answer to your question.

What would you do if all you know about your specific belief in that post is a lie?

They will find me 5,000 years from now, as a skeleton, with my finger on the "refresh" button for GLP still awaiting your answer. Of course, as a skeleton, I will not be able to talk. But maybe whoever finds me will read my post on the screen and hit refresh for me one more time!
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Its a thought exercise, an abstraction exercise. If you can, imagine that all you know about your specific religion is a lie. Like all the religions along history that arise, faded and die, think that your religion is also a lie. What would you do?

- If you can't do it and go with the path "It can't be" or "I just can't cope with such an idea", don't bother posting.
- Don't quote the bible, its pointless for the exercise, if you can't do it, you fall under the category above, of people incapable of abstract thinking
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU

If all religions are untrue, then Atheism, which is also a religion (your self replacing God, as the center of the belief system or unbelief system), is also untrue.
Then there is nothing left to say or do, no point of reference to go from.

There is no existence without Religion, even if it is being an Atheist.
Because we all believe in something, even if we try very hard not to admit it, or deny it as I am sure you will try to do.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76689602


Let's suppose all religions, including atheism, are indeed untrue. Does it then really follow that there is no existence? Even if all belief systems are false, does this mean that you, yourself, no longer exist? Even if everything you believed about yourself turned out to be false, would it change the fact that you exist?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11375876

I think you misunderstand.
Either you believe in a God or in absence of that you make yourself as "god".

"God" controls your destiny, fate, etc. So if you believe you control that, then you are now, replacing "god" with yourself or making yourself as God.

Thus there is no way to exist with out "god",( as in a specific religion) or a religion of self (your self as god).
Everyone choose one or the other. Whether you consciously realize it or not.

So in the abstract, there is no existence without religion. Someone or something, some belief system, etc, must guide your decision making process( basically your morality) and thus your actions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76689602


Well, ok then. Thanks!
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Its a thought exercise, an abstraction exercise. If you can, imagine that all you know about your specific religion is a lie. Like all the religions along history that arise, faded and die, think that your religion is also a lie. What would you do?

- If you can't do it and go with the path "It can't be" or "I just can't cope with such an idea", don't bother posting.
- Don't quote the bible, its pointless for the exercise, if you can't do it, you fall under the category above, of people incapable of abstract thinking
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


If all religion is false and there is no God, then my Belief would be just as valid as your Unbelief.
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Ok, thanks!
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Still waiting for OP to answer his own question..........

I may be a skeleton by then.
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 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


That is what you believe. Not the answer to your question.

What would you do if all you know about your specific belief in that post is a lie?

They will find me 5,000 years from now, as a skeleton, with my finger on the "refresh" button for GLP still awaiting your answer. Of course, as a skeleton, I will not be able to talk. But maybe whoever finds me will read my post on the screen and hit refresh for me one more time!
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


Even so, I exposed what I think, you, still refuse to. Maybe you're faith is not firm enough?
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Still waiting for OP to answer his own question..........

I may be a skeleton by then.
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 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


That is what you believe. Not the answer to your question.

What would you do if all you know about your specific belief in that post is a lie?

They will find me 5,000 years from now, as a skeleton, with my finger on the "refresh" button for GLP still awaiting your answer. Of course, as a skeleton, I will not be able to talk. But maybe whoever finds me will read my post on the screen and hit refresh for me one more time!
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


Why would you spend your days waiting for a response to an internet discussion instead of roaming the earth healing the sick & raising the dead & issuing forgiveness as commanded? *That* would be the way to get through to folks, yes? (Also, on OP’s behalf, I apologize that he insulted you.)

hf
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Still waiting for OP to answer his own question..........

I may be a skeleton by then.
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 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


That is what you believe. Not the answer to your question.

What would you do if all you know about your specific belief in that post is a lie?

They will find me 5,000 years from now, as a skeleton, with my finger on the "refresh" button for GLP still awaiting your answer. Of course, as a skeleton, I will not be able to talk. But maybe whoever finds me will read my post on the screen and hit refresh for me one more time!
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


Why would you spend your days waiting for a response to an internet discussion instead of roaming the earth healing the sick & raising the dead & issuing forgiveness as commanded? *That* would be the way to get through to folks, yes? (Also, on OP’s behalf, I apologize that he insulted you.)

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76061755


Thanks! But its ok, hostility is a very common answer from religious people when their faith is challenged or cornered.
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Its a thought exercise, an abstraction exercise. If you can, imagine that all you know about your specific religion is a lie. Like all the religions along history that arise, faded and die, think that your religion is also a lie. What would you do?

- If you can't do it and go with the path "It can't be" or "I just can't cope with such an idea", don't bother posting.
- Don't quote the bible, its pointless for the exercise, if you can't do it, you fall under the category above, of people incapable of abstract thinking
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU

If all religions are untrue, then Atheism, which is also a religion (your self replacing God, as the center of the belief system or unbelief system), is also untrue.
Then there is nothing left to say or do, no point of reference to go from.

There is no existence without Religion, even if it is being an Atheist.
Because we all believe in something, even if we try very hard not to admit it, or deny it as I am sure you will try to do.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76689602


Let's suppose all religions, including atheism, are indeed untrue. Does it then really follow that there is no existence? Even if all belief systems are false, does this mean that you, yourself, no longer exist? Even if everything you believed about yourself turned out to be false, would it change the fact that you exist?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11375876

I think you misunderstand.
Either you believe in a God or in absence of that you make yourself as "god".
There are no other possibilities.

"God" controls your destiny, fate, creates your sense of morality and guides all your decisions.. So if you believe you control that, then you are now, replacing "god" with yourself or making yourself as God.

Thus there is no way to exist with out "god",( as in a specific religion) or a religion of self (your self as god).
Everyone choose one or the other. Whether you consciously realize it or not.

So in the abstract, there is noexistence without religion. Someone or something, some belief system, etc, must guide your decision making process, your morality and thus your actions.
Without that you would be a comatose blob of flesh unable to do anything. You might "exist" under a certain definition of that concept, but not in a normal human existence.
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IF I knew Jesus was a lie I would create my own religion.
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Still waiting for OP to answer his own question..........

I may be a skeleton by then.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


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 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


That is what you believe. Not the answer to your question.

What would you do if all you know about your specific belief in that post is a lie?

They will find me 5,000 years from now, as a skeleton, with my finger on the "refresh" button for GLP still awaiting your answer. Of course, as a skeleton, I will not be able to talk. But maybe whoever finds me will read my post on the screen and hit refresh for me one more time!
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


Even so, I exposed what I think, you, still refuse to. Maybe you're faith is not firm enough?
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


I'm attempting to make this an even playing ground. I don't like playing games with cheaters. If you are going to cheat, it's not an honest game now is it? Please do not tell me this is not a game. I've been around the block a few times.

You want some real competition or just easy prey?

If it is the latter, what does that say?

Go ahead, engage me, and let's see what happens. But first, the rules must be equal, or else it's a fool's game with me as the fool. I'll be honest if you will.
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Some religions are not based on knowledge but instead perspective, a pantheist learns about his religion from personal observation not from others.


When your religion is based on personal observations of the world around you instead of the words of others, lies are not part of the equation, missunderstandings are possible but not lies, and missunderstandings are often reconciled through more observation or simply a change in perspective.
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IF I knew Jesus was a lie I would create my own religion.
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Ok! Thanks for the answer!
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Its a thought exercise, an abstraction exercise. If you can, imagine that all you know about your specific religion is a lie. Like all the religions along history that arise, faded and die, think that your religion is also a lie. What would you do?

- If you can't do it and go with the path "It can't be" or "I just can't cope with such an idea", don't bother posting.
- Don't quote the bible, its pointless for the exercise, if you can't do it, you fall under the category above, of people incapable of abstract thinking
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU

If all religions are untrue, then Atheism, which is also a religion (your self replacing God, as the center of the belief system or unbelief system), is also untrue.
Then there is nothing left to say or do, no point of reference to go from.

There is no existence without Religion, even if it is being an Atheist.
Because we all believe in something, even if we try very hard not to admit it, or deny it as I am sure you will try to do.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76689602


Let's suppose all religions, including atheism, are indeed untrue. Does it then really follow that there is no existence? Even if all belief systems are false, does this mean that you, yourself, no longer exist? Even if everything you believed about yourself turned out to be false, would it change the fact that you exist?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11375876

I think you misunderstand.
Either you believe in a God or in absence of that you make yourself as "god".

"God" controls your destiny, fate, etc. So if you believe you control that, then you are now, replacing "god" with yourself or making yourself as God.

Thus there is no way to exist with out "god",( as in a specific religion) or a religion of self (your self as god).
Everyone choose one or the other. Whether you consciously realize it or not.

So in the abstract, there is no existence without religion. Someone or something, some belief system, etc, must guide your decision making process( basically your morality) and thus your actions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76689602


Perhaps it is a matter or terms. All I know is that I am, that I exist. This state of being is prior to belief, so hat all belief, or religion, as you term it, is predicated on that existence, or being. Therefore, in order to get closer to the truth, I would flip your abstract statement to say that there is no religion without existence.

As you point out, some belief system will guide actions, but before action, there must be being itself. Hence, existence is the constant while all else is variable.
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Some religions are not based on knowledge but instead perspective, a pantheist learns about his religion from personal observation not from others.


When your religion is based on personal observations of the world around you instead of the words of others, lies are not part of the equation, missunderstandings are possible but not lies, and missunderstandings are often reconciled through more observation or simply a change in perspective.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76710784


Wouldn't this lead to a biased view eventually? I mean, when one see something and takes his/her own conclusions, as you said yourself, the conclusion might be wrong. How can one counter point himself with no biased view?
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Its a thought exercise, an abstraction exercise. If you can, imagine that all you know about your specific religion is a lie. Like all the religions along history that arise, faded and die, think that your religion is also a lie. What would you do?

- If you can't do it and go with the path "It can't be" or "I just can't cope with such an idea", don't bother posting.
- Don't quote the bible, its pointless for the exercise, if you can't do it, you fall under the category above, of people incapable of abstract thinking
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


Some Christians started with your premise and thought it would be easy to disprove the Bible and that Jesus Christ is the son of God. Men like Yale trained Lee Strobels or Josh McDowell. Then you find out all the scholarship and archeology and history and science and how the world actually works and things like the vibratory nature of everything and fibonacci sequences and sacred geometry and the pervasiveness of blood sacrificing etc etc and eventually you realize, if you sincerely want to know th we truth, that the only truth is Jesus Christ and the Bible and most everything else is lipstick on a pig...savy?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74427916


That's a statement(actually a bunch of claims), but none of them has anything to do with what I asked. Again: strip your religion away, suppose it is all a lie, what would you do?
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


Same thing I was doing before I realized the truth: finding ways to experience the most amount of pleasure possible...this usually leads to spiritual law breaking and consequences for living within lies and narcissism...but it can be fun if you can handle the extremes...

But you will miss the best part of living even so...the healthiest and happiest way to live is in awareness of the Creator and free will willingness to follow His plan...and to glorify God as much as possible while attemting to perfect yourself and love others.
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Re: Friendly discussion and thought exercise to religious people
Still waiting for OP to answer his own question..........

I may be a skeleton by then.
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That is what you believe. Not the answer to your question.

What would you do if all you know about your specific belief in that post is a lie?

They will find me 5,000 years from now, as a skeleton, with my finger on the "refresh" button for GLP still awaiting your answer. Of course, as a skeleton, I will not be able to talk. But maybe whoever finds me will read my post on the screen and hit refresh for me one more time!
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Why would you spend your days waiting for a response to an internet discussion instead of roaming the earth healing the sick & raising the dead & issuing forgiveness as commanded? *That* would be the way to get through to folks, yes? (Also, on OP’s behalf, I apologize that he insulted you.)

hf
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Good idea. I'll take my computer with me on the road!

Let it never be said that I cannot do several things at once.
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Its a thought exercise, an abstraction exercise. If you can, imagine that all you know about your specific religion is a lie. Like all the religions along history that arise, faded and die, think that your religion is also a lie. What would you do?

- If you can't do it and go with the path "It can't be" or "I just can't cope with such an idea", don't bother posting.
- Don't quote the bible, its pointless for the exercise, if you can't do it, you fall under the category above, of people incapable of abstract thinking
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how about this exercise: lets imagine that everything you are saying and attempting to do in this thread is lies and bullshit.

I'll take anything the bible has to say over what you have to say any day of the week.
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Should ask them what they did when they found out Santa wasn't real.
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"The Kingdom of God is within you." "I Am." Once this is realized, then stories and beliefs are less relevant. Not sure what side that puts us on. If that (inner) nature has divinity is part of the religion that must be a lie then there is no answer. Like said, the question might as well propose that existence and consciousness are lies.
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What a waste of time.

Got your number OP.





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