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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73793718 United States 06/18/2018 10:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | True. I found the idea expressed somewhere as "soft eyes" in some meditation book in the late 80s. It had a fascinating effect, but I couldn't do it in public because everyone I passed on the street seemed to think I was stoned. I guess it makes your irises enormously dilated. But I wondered is it had something to do with what Jesus said about your eyes being filled with light. |
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(OP) User ID: 76438449 Canada 06/18/2018 10:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | True. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73793718 I found the idea expressed somewhere as "soft eyes" in some meditation book in the late 80s. It had a fascinating effect, but I couldn't do it in public because everyone I passed on the street seemed to think I was stoned. I guess it makes your irises enormously dilated. But I wondered is it had something to do with what Jesus said about your eyes being filled with light. Interesting thought about the Christ reference. I haven't tried this method described in the article but as I said, I'm eager to try this. I do practice Trakata, a yogic Hindu team for staring at an object and not blinking but completely keep focus still on the object. After a weary short while the surroundings of the object look like they are vibrating swirling coloured atoms. "A wise man listens to the message and uses his logic and discernment to process it, a fool negates the message by prejudging the messenger." "He whose centre is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere." |
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(OP) User ID: 76438449 Canada 06/18/2018 10:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good read, thanks! Quote:"Using soft eyes entails not just adopting an alternative visual mode, but also entering an altered state of being. Once you've mastered the art of soft eyes, this state can be achieved in a split second." "A wise man listens to the message and uses his logic and discernment to process it, a fool negates the message by prejudging the messenger." "He whose centre is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73793718 United States 06/18/2018 10:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I couldn't do it, because it distracted me too much and it wasn't my style. Before I had studied martial arts, I learned to fight as a child by repeatedly having to fight off attackers that surrounded me. I would almost visually "zone out" in a fight. It wasn't that I didn't use my eyes. It was only that I didn't look at anything in particular. I just noticed everything in the widest possible field of vision, while also relying on my other senses. I sort of automatically do it when I'm driving, but because of the wild reactions of people, I avoid practicing it in public, and I only briefly think of practicing it from time to time. However, it really is a pleasant sort of meditation, and I have once in a while thought that I ought to remember to practice it more often. Your post reminded me of it again, and it is the first I have seen mention of an actual, physical, scientific basis - that it isn't just a different state of mind. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2163334 United States 06/18/2018 11:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Brilliant, good to hear, seems like a great manner to add a tool to decifer the world around us. I have found that if you treat your environment as if it is intelligent .....it will behave with intelligence. All of it. It takes a little work. But most have there head in a cell phone crossing a street .....when nature is communicating around us. |
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(OP) User ID: 76438449 Canada 06/18/2018 11:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I studied martial arts in the 80s, and most teachers at the time kept urging us to look at our opponent's eyes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73793718 I couldn't do it, because it distracted me too much and it wasn't my style. Before I had studied martial arts, I learned to fight as a child by repeatedly having to fight off attackers that surrounded me. I would almost visually "zone out" in a fight. It wasn't that I didn't use my eyes. It was only that I didn't look at anything in particular. I just noticed everything in the widest possible field of vision, while also relying on my other senses. I sort of automatically do it when I'm driving, but because of the wild reactions of people, I avoid practicing it in public, and I only briefly think of practicing it from time to time. However, it really is a pleasant sort of meditation, and I have once in a while thought that I ought to remember to practice it more often. Your post reminded me of it again, and it is the first I have seen mention of an actual, physical, scientific basis - that it isn't just a different state of mind. Glad to hear the article gave you scientific proof of your experiences. "We found a succession of texts from the Taoists of early China through the books of Carlos Castaneda that spoke of a certain kind of all-seeing gaze. It was often difficult to determine whether the authors were speaking literally or metaphorically, but it was perfectly clear in the case of Miyamoto Muksashi, the legendary swordsman of fifteenth century Japan, who had the clearest and most insightful description of the powers of peripheral vision we found. In The Book of Five Rings, Musashi refers to the two types of sight which he calls Ken and Kan. Ken registers the movements of surface phenomena; it's the observation of superficial appearence. Kan is the profound examination of the essence of things, seeing through or into. For Musashi, Ken is seeing with the eyes, Kan is seeing with the mind. The difference is akin to that of style versus substance. Musashi gives instructions for developing Kan sight: "It is important to observe both sides without moving the eyes. It is no good trying to learn this kind of thing in great haste. Always be watchful in this manner and under no circumstances alter your point of concentration." "A wise man listens to the message and uses his logic and discernment to process it, a fool negates the message by prejudging the messenger." "He whose centre is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere." |
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(OP) User ID: 76438449 Canada 06/18/2018 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Brilliant, good to hear, seems like a great manner to add a tool to decifer the world around us. I have found that if you treat your environment as if it is intelligent .....it will behave with intelligence. All of it. It takes a little work. But most have there head in a cell phone crossing a street .....when nature is communicating around us. Good point. Nature is constantly communicating with us, many have lost the ability to hear one read them. "A wise man listens to the message and uses his logic and discernment to process it, a fool negates the message by prejudging the messenger." "He whose centre is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere." |
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Strawberry Girl User ID: 14233520 United States 06/19/2018 01:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | bumping for later study thanks Goodbye, halcyon days... There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory mentioned, which states that this has already happened. |
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User ID: 72033323 Netherlands 06/19/2018 01:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I use it often to time traffic more accurately. Also when birding it's a way to spot birds in a wide view Last Edited by R... on 06/19/2018 01:30 AM "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play." - 'Wargames' "This world is more like a mystery, trapped in a conundrum, spun by a paradox." - AC1118155 |
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User ID: 76223080 Myanmar 06/19/2018 01:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I studied martial arts in the 80s, and most teachers at the time kept urging us to look at our opponent's eyes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73793718 I couldn't do it, because it distracted me too much and it wasn't my style. Before I had studied martial arts, I learned to fight as a child by repeatedly having to fight off attackers that surrounded me. I would almost visually "zone out" in a fight. It wasn't that I didn't use my eyes. It was only that I didn't look at anything in particular. I just noticed everything in the widest possible field of vision, while also relying on my other senses. I sort of automatically do it when I'm driving, but because of the wild reactions of people, I avoid practicing it in public, and I only briefly think of practicing it from time to time. However, it really is a pleasant sort of meditation, and I have once in a while thought that I ought to remember to practice it more often. Your post reminded me of it again, and it is the first I have seen mention of an actual, physical, scientific basis - that it isn't just a different state of mind. this is an exerp from THE UNFETTERED MIND WRITINGS OF THE ZEN MASTER TO THE SWORD MASTER one of the finest peices on martial arts ive seen Where One Puts The Mind We say that: If one puts his mind in the action of his opponent's body, his mind will be taken by the action of his opponent's body. 6 If he puts his mind in his opponent's sword, his mind will be taken by that sword. If he puts his mind in thoughts of his opponent's intention to strike him, his mind will be taken by thoughts of his opponent's intention to strike him. If he puts his mind in his own sword, his mind will be taken by his own sword. If he puts his mind in his own intention of not being struck, his mind will be taken by his intention of not being struck. 6 It should now be clear that concentrate on might be used in the text as an alternative to put the mind. Concentrate, however, narrows the sense of the author’s phrase in the original. Both ideas should be kept in mind. 10The Unfettered Mind – Writings of the Zen Master to the Sword Master If he puts his mind in the other man's stance, his mind will be taken by the other man's stance. What this means is that there is no place to put the mind. A certain person once said, "No matter where I put my mind, my intentions are held in check in the place where my mind goes, and I lose to my opponent. Because of that, I 7 place my mind just below my navel and do not let it wander. Then am I able to change according to the actions of my opponent." This is reasonable. But viewed from the highest standpoint of Buddhism, putting the mind just below the navel and not allowing it to wander is a low level of understanding, not a high one. It is at the level of discipline and training. It is at the level of seriousness. Or of Mencius' saying, "Seek after the lost mind." 8 This is not the highest level either. It has the sense of seriousness. As for the "lost mind," I have written about this elsewhere, and you can take a look at it there. If you consider putting your mind below your navel and not letting it wander, your mind will be taken by the mind that thinks of this plan. You will have no ability to move ahead and will be exceptionally unfree. This leads to the next question, "If putting my mind below my navel leaves me unable to function and without freedom, it is of no use. In what part of my body, then, should I put my mind?" I answered, "If you put it in your right hand, it will be taken by the right hand and your body will lack its functioning. If you put your mind in the eye, it will be taken by the eye, and your body will lack its functioning. If you put your mind in your right foot, your mind will be taken by the right foot and your body will lack its functioning. "No matter where you put it, if you put the mind in on place, the rest of your body will lack its functioning." "Well, then, where does one put his mind." I answered, "If you don't put it anywhere, it will go to all parts of your body and extend throughout its entirety. In this way, when it enters your hand, it will realize the hand's function. When it enters your foot, it will realize the foot's function. When it enters your eye, it will realize the eye's function. 7 The tanden, a point three finger widths below the navel, is considered by some Taoists to be the proper residing place of the mind. It is very nearly the body’s center of gravity and is referred to often in martial arts’ literature. 8 Seriousness, also translated as reverence, for the Neo-Confucianists meant an internal attitude of attentiveness and composure applied to efforts in handling affairs. As a desired state of mind, it contains a certain sense of meditation as well. The quotation is from Mencius (Bk 6, pt.1, chapter 11): “Mencius said, ‘Human-heartedness is a man’s mind. Righteousness is man’s path. How sad that he abandons that path and does not rely on it. When a man has lost a cock or a dog, he knows to seek it, but having lost his [proper] mind, he does not know to seek it. The Way of Learning is nothing other than seeking the lost mind.’” 11The Unfettered Mind – Writings of the Zen Master to the Sword Master "If you should decide on one place and put the mind there, it will be taken by that place and lose its function. If one thinks, he will be taken by his thoughts. "Because this is so, leave aside thoughts and discrimination, throw the mind away from the entire body, do not stop it here and there, and when it does visit these various places, it will realize function and act without error." Putting the mind in one place is called falling into onesidedness. One-sidedness is said to be bias in one place. Correctness is in moving about anywhere. The Correct Mind shows itself by extending the mind throughout the body. It not biased in any one place. When the mind is biased in one place and lacking in another, it is called a one-sided mind. One-sidedness is despicable. To be arrested by anything, no matter what, is falling into one-sidedness and is despised by those travelling the Way. When a person does not think, "Where shall I put it7" the mind will extend throughout the entire body and move about to any place at all. Not putting the mind anywhere, can't one use the mind, having it go from place to place, responding to the opponent's movements? If the mind moves about the entire body, when the hand is called into action, one should use the mind that is in the hand. When the foot is called for, one should use the mind that is in the foot. But if you determine one place in which to put it, when you try to draw it out of that place, there it will stay. It will be without function. Keeping the mind like a tied-up cat and not allowing it to wander, when you keep it in check within yourself, within yourself will it be detained. Forsaking it within your body, it will go nowhere. The effort not to stop the mind in just one place-this is discipline. Not stopping the mind is object and essence. Put nowhere, it will be everywhere. Even in moving the mind outside the body, if it is sent in one direction, it will be lacking in nine others. If the mind is not restricted to just one direction, it will be in all ten. COVID-19 JUST TESTED POSATIVE FOR FRAUD |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76555114 United Kingdom 06/19/2018 03:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I generally have very good peripheral vision, I am aware of it when driving. I do remeber as a child when first going out into the dark from school adventure camps etc and feeling that enveloping darkness all around, taking the time to just stop and allow my eyes to becom accustomed to the dark. I genuinnly used to find my way around using peripheral vision.. ok it wasnt as clear and day and i did not see any bunny rabitts hopping about but im pretty sure i had a greater awareness peripherely than with direct focus. |
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User ID: 75351343 Canada 06/19/2018 04:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | old news to me 25 years as a line operator has taught me this broad vision is a necessary skill when you have to monitor dozens of machines with hundreds of moving parts. you not only learn to see a wider field but your hearing becomes so acute that you can monitor stuff behind you and even in other rooms simply by the sound profile of the machine. I can not only tell that something is wrong but what is wrong and which part. we all do this instinctively. to what degree depends on our daily life activities. |
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User ID: 76687840 United States 06/19/2018 07:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The military taught this same thing over 30 years ago and I naturally did it as a kid out playing in the dark. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74675994 Same, same. The real key is to NOT focus on what you want to spot...rather looking off 10 to 15 degrees left or right and that technique, once practiced and properly executed will improve your night vision. It all has to do with the rods and cones that make up the eye but that's another story. Fear God and Dread Nought. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76688770 United States 06/19/2018 07:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great article I found on RexResearch, this man found a way to switch which part of his eye he was observing with, and fascinating changes occurred in the manner he was seeing and experiencing the world. Quoting: LTHN. Hope you like the article, I find this interesting enough to want to use his method and try this. Quote from article: We reviewed the physiology of sight and discovered that neural structures exist within the eye which facilitate a way of seeing that is radically dissimilar from the one we're accustomed to using. We confirmed that there is, indeed, a neurological basis for a distinct "second" type of sight, and that this way of seeing is available to all of us all the time. (Usually we are so absorbed with our focused vision that we're unaware of its power.)... For our purposes, we began to think of the retina as divided into two areas: the fovea and macula, both with high concentrations of cones, and the periphery, where rods predominate - in short, cone and rod vision, responsible respectively for focused and peripheral vision. [link to www.rexresearch.com] I learned this back in the 90s while experementing with ideas I read about in Carlos Castenada (60's 70's new age/shamanistic type author). They call the visual excercises "not doing". "Not doings" were important in the shamanistic world because in that world, perception uses energy, and they orient their behavior to save the energy necessary for alternate perceptions. I realized that "seeing things" in a different way did have an affect on my later on, when I got into those 3d posters. I would stare into them for hours at a time because in the moment there was a "eureka!" type rush....but what I also realized was that the quality of my dreaming increased greatly...the 3d posters somehow strengthened my visual cortex, like excercising a brain muscle I never knew I had and it somehow made the other "brain muscles" a little stronger too. The big problem with going down this "rabbithole" is that it is a whole "path"...and it gets very narrow, and does not leave much room for the things that make a normal, happy life. |
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