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Anonymous Coward User ID: 42079668 United States 05/16/2018 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668 Sorry can't help you. The intense amount of brainwashing they have over you can't be easily broken. You are so convinced that evil corporation are out to get you, despite they never have done anything wrong to you, but you feel the government is your savior. I can't help you break that programming, that's something you will have to figure out yourself. Likewise I am sorry for you, that think the government is set out to harm you in every way and that regulations that limit the free market are bad. In theory I agree that limiting a free market is bad, but when it comes to infrastructure like the internet there is no free market and monopolies quickly form because initial cost of deployment is too high. ISP's don't give a shit about you, they know you need them, they will f' you whenever possible. And your bending over and begging as the government is trying to tell them not to. Show your proof where corporations were raising internet rates unexplainably, and net neutrality helped to lower those rates. Go on I'll be waiting here. "A widely cited example of a violation of net neutrality principles was the Internet service provider Comcast's secret slowing ("throttling") of uploads from peer-to-peer file sharing (P2P) applications by using forged packets.[9] Comcast did not stop blocking these protocols, like BitTorrent, until the Federal Communications Commission ordered them to stop.[10] In another minor example, The Madison River Communications company was fined US$15,000 by the FCC, in 2004, for restricting their customers' access to Vonage, which was rivaling their own services.[11] AT&T was also caught limiting access to FaceTime, so only those users who paid for AT&T's new shared data plans could access the application.[12] In July 2017, Verizon Wireless was accused of throttling after users noticed that videos played on Netflix and YouTube were slower than usual, though Verizon commented that it was conducting "network testing" and that net neutrality rules permit "reasonable network management practices".[13]" ( [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Geez you really researched didn't you? Bit torrent should be illegal. Funny how you support the illegal sharing of media, such as movies and programs, but you demand special rules for internet service providers. Hmm, pot meet kettle. Libs show their ignorance every day. Too ez. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76431154 United States 05/16/2018 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668 Well lets see, Netflix wanted to use more bandwidth without paying more, it seems they wanted preference over other websites without paying for it. Seems like a pretty liberal policy to enforce private companies to charge the same no matter how much bandwidth a company is using. You pay for your internet speed in tiers. Your subscription comes with a set speed and if you are unlucky a data limit. The side we are talking about, getting the data to you, is payed and covered by you. Why should netflix have to pay extra and then charge you more for your subscription? That's double dipping. Because people like me who would NEVER subscribe to Netflix should not pay more because you do have Netflix. You want it, you pay for it, however much that is. Exactly. I'm amazed that anyone could support this idiotic shit You would change your mind real quick of glp took 15 mins to load because you were on the "dial up speed" pay tier. You want internet providers deciding your internet speed/cost then you must love paying your cable bill. You are also an idiot. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73577072 Netherlands 05/16/2018 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'Net Neutrality' Does not allow the the government the power to regulate the content on the internet. It just limits your ISP's ability to do so! And you pay your ISP for a speed and a dataplan..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072 Net Neutrality actually is a regulation of the ability of ISP's to limit your access to content within the 'Service contract' you have with them. It stipulates that the ISP is required to provide the terms of their contract to all content providers online equally. 'Net Neutrality' Does not add government oversight over the internet. It's a means to not allow ISPs to discriminate the content you have access to within your service contract with them. It stipulates that your ISP cannot choose to limit your access to a service (or forum) because they do not like the content on it, or it takes more bandwidth then others. Well written post. I disagree with most of it, Net Neutrality will bring in more government controls. Here's an article from last May 2017 that might help. Net Neutrality Is about Government Control of the Internet [link to fee.org (secure)] . I can see your point, but as stated above, nothing about net-neutrality is about allowing the government more control. The entire law exists to limit the ISP's from limiting access. I can see your point of view, but keep in mind the FCC is a regulatory body set up to oversee infrastructure providers and to make sure they do not abuse the subsidized hardware you all payed for. "At the moment, the battle over network neutrality is not to completely eliminate the telephone and cable companies. We are not at that point yet. But the ultimate goal is to get rid of the media capitalists in the phone and cable companies and to divest them from control." A quote like that sums it up for me, it's spreading fear. Basically saying it's better to get screwed by the ISP then the government. But keep in mind that up to now the ISP's pushed the FCC to limit their ability to monetize public infrastructure and limit your ability to access content. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42079668 United States 05/16/2018 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072 You pay for your internet speed in tiers. Your subscription comes with a set speed and if you are unlucky a data limit. The side we are talking about, getting the data to you, is payed and covered by you. Why should netflix have to pay extra and then charge you more for your subscription? That's double dipping. Because people like me who would NEVER subscribe to Netflix should not pay more because you do have Netflix. You want it, you pay for it, however much that is. Exactly. I'm amazed that anyone could support this idiotic shit You would change your mind real quick of glp took 15 mins to load because you were on the "dial up speed" pay tier. You want internet providers deciding your internet speed/cost then you must love paying your cable bill. You are also an idiot. With net neutrality in place it's only a matter of time before websites like GLP will be taken off the internet. Government control brings nanny state. You still can't say certain words on TV or radio unless you want to face big fines from the FCC. Is that how you want internet? Controlled, censored, and advertised to death, with only certain websites allowed? That's what net neutrality brings. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42079668 United States 05/16/2018 07:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'Net Neutrality' Does not allow the the government the power to regulate the content on the internet. It just limits your ISP's ability to do so! And you pay your ISP for a speed and a dataplan..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072 Net Neutrality actually is a regulation of the ability of ISP's to limit your access to content within the 'Service contract' you have with them. It stipulates that the ISP is required to provide the terms of their contract to all content providers online equally. 'Net Neutrality' Does not add government oversight over the internet. It's a means to not allow ISPs to discriminate the content you have access to within your service contract with them. It stipulates that your ISP cannot choose to limit your access to a service (or forum) because they do not like the content on it, or it takes more bandwidth then others. Well written post. I disagree with most of it, Net Neutrality will bring in more government controls. Here's an article from last May 2017 that might help. Net Neutrality Is about Government Control of the Internet [link to fee.org (secure)] . I can see your point, but as stated above, nothing about net-neutrality is about allowing the government more control. The entire law exists to limit the ISP's from limiting access. I can see your point of view, but keep in mind the FCC is a regulatory body set up to oversee infrastructure providers and to make sure they do not abuse the subsidized hardware you all payed for. "At the moment, the battle over network neutrality is not to completely eliminate the telephone and cable companies. We are not at that point yet. But the ultimate goal is to get rid of the media capitalists in the phone and cable companies and to divest them from control." A quote like that sums it up for me, it's spreading fear. Basically saying it's better to get screwed by the ISP then the government. But keep in mind that up to now the ISP's pushed the FCC to limit their ability to monetize public infrastructure and limit your ability to access content. What's the matter lost the debate with me so ignoring now? I know it's tough to get debunked so hard. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73577072 Netherlands 05/16/2018 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072 Likewise I am sorry for you, that think the government is set out to harm you in every way and that regulations that limit the free market are bad. In theory I agree that limiting a free market is bad, but when it comes to infrastructure like the internet there is no free market and monopolies quickly form because initial cost of deployment is too high. ISP's don't give a shit about you, they know you need them, they will f' you whenever possible. And your bending over and begging as the government is trying to tell them not to. Show your proof where corporations were raising internet rates unexplainably, and net neutrality helped to lower those rates. Go on I'll be waiting here. "A widely cited example of a violation of net neutrality principles was the Internet service provider Comcast's secret slowing ("throttling") of uploads from peer-to-peer file sharing (P2P) applications by using forged packets.[9] Comcast did not stop blocking these protocols, like BitTorrent, until the Federal Communications Commission ordered them to stop.[10] In another minor example, The Madison River Communications company was fined US$15,000 by the FCC, in 2004, for restricting their customers' access to Vonage, which was rivaling their own services.[11] AT&T was also caught limiting access to FaceTime, so only those users who paid for AT&T's new shared data plans could access the application.[12] In July 2017, Verizon Wireless was accused of throttling after users noticed that videos played on Netflix and YouTube were slower than usual, though Verizon commented that it was conducting "network testing" and that net neutrality rules permit "reasonable network management practices".[13]" ( [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Geez you really researched didn't you? Bit torrent should be illegal. Funny how you support the illegal sharing of media, such as movies and programs, but you demand special rules for internet service providers. Hmm, pot meet kettle. Libs show their ignorance every day. Too ez. Bit torrent is a file sharing protocol, not by definition something you use to download copyright protected content.... I do not endorse the illegal sharing of copyright protected material but that is only a fraction of what the bittorrent protocol is used for. "Show your proof where corporations were raising internet rates unexplainably, and net neutrality helped to lower those rates." But I did that and your proved not to understand anything about the internet and how it works... I take it you give up now? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 25542122 United States 05/16/2018 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is bad as is not net neutrality it is some rubbish obama passed in 2015 and called it net neutrality to fool people which benefits big tech companies Quoting: Spoon Boy what the FCC did was remove obama rubbish called net neutrality and tried to put everything back to how it was pre 2015 pre 2015 sucked for consumers. I couldn't even watch Youtube videos without endless buffering. I still can't stream HD movies without pausing and waiting for more to download so I don't even bother. But at least I can watch some video now. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73577072 Netherlands 05/16/2018 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'Net Neutrality' Does not allow the the government the power to regulate the content on the internet. It just limits your ISP's ability to do so! And you pay your ISP for a speed and a dataplan..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072 Net Neutrality actually is a regulation of the ability of ISP's to limit your access to content within the 'Service contract' you have with them. It stipulates that the ISP is required to provide the terms of their contract to all content providers online equally. 'Net Neutrality' Does not add government oversight over the internet. It's a means to not allow ISPs to discriminate the content you have access to within your service contract with them. It stipulates that your ISP cannot choose to limit your access to a service (or forum) because they do not like the content on it, or it takes more bandwidth then others. Well written post. I disagree with most of it, Net Neutrality will bring in more government controls. Here's an article from last May 2017 that might help. Net Neutrality Is about Government Control of the Internet [link to fee.org (secure)] . I can see your point, but as stated above, nothing about net-neutrality is about allowing the government more control. The entire law exists to limit the ISP's from limiting access. I can see your point of view, but keep in mind the FCC is a regulatory body set up to oversee infrastructure providers and to make sure they do not abuse the subsidized hardware you all payed for. "At the moment, the battle over network neutrality is not to completely eliminate the telephone and cable companies. We are not at that point yet. But the ultimate goal is to get rid of the media capitalists in the phone and cable companies and to divest them from control." A quote like that sums it up for me, it's spreading fear. Basically saying it's better to get screwed by the ISP then the government. But keep in mind that up to now the ISP's pushed the FCC to limit their ability to monetize public infrastructure and limit your ability to access content. What's the matter lost the debate with me so ignoring now? I know it's tough to get debunked so hard. Hush, be patient, you can't get my attention 24/7 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42079668 United States 05/16/2018 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668 Show your proof where corporations were raising internet rates unexplainably, and net neutrality helped to lower those rates. Go on I'll be waiting here. "A widely cited example of a violation of net neutrality principles was the Internet service provider Comcast's secret slowing ("throttling") of uploads from peer-to-peer file sharing (P2P) applications by using forged packets.[9] Comcast did not stop blocking these protocols, like BitTorrent, until the Federal Communications Commission ordered them to stop.[10] In another minor example, The Madison River Communications company was fined US$15,000 by the FCC, in 2004, for restricting their customers' access to Vonage, which was rivaling their own services.[11] AT&T was also caught limiting access to FaceTime, so only those users who paid for AT&T's new shared data plans could access the application.[12] In July 2017, Verizon Wireless was accused of throttling after users noticed that videos played on Netflix and YouTube were slower than usual, though Verizon commented that it was conducting "network testing" and that net neutrality rules permit "reasonable network management practices".[13]" ( [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Geez you really researched didn't you? Bit torrent should be illegal. Funny how you support the illegal sharing of media, such as movies and programs, but you demand special rules for internet service providers. Hmm, pot meet kettle. Libs show their ignorance every day. Too ez. Bit torrent is a file sharing protocol, not by definition something you use to download copyright protected content.... I do not endorse the illegal sharing of copyright protected material but that is only a fraction of what the bittorrent protocol is used for. "Show your proof where corporations were raising internet rates unexplainably, and net neutrality helped to lower those rates." But I did that and your proved not to understand anything about the internet and how it works... I take it you give up now? No you didn't. I showed how your examples didn't back up your claim of the ISP's charging higher rates and net neutrality stopping that. You showed some ambiguous examples about possible throttling, regarding bittorrent programs, an isolated incident regarding vonage, which was solved with an FCC fine, and then an accusation of speed throttling, which wasn't even true. You failed sir. Stop this pathetic troll sir. Also you claim only a fraction of bitorrent is used for illegal downloading, I challenge you to back up this claim as well with proof. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 42079668 United States 05/16/2018 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Terrebonne Well written post. I disagree with most of it, Net Neutrality will bring in more government controls. Here's an article from last May 2017 that might help. Net Neutrality Is about Government Control of the Internet [link to fee.org (secure)] . I can see your point, but as stated above, nothing about net-neutrality is about allowing the government more control. The entire law exists to limit the ISP's from limiting access. I can see your point of view, but keep in mind the FCC is a regulatory body set up to oversee infrastructure providers and to make sure they do not abuse the subsidized hardware you all payed for. "At the moment, the battle over network neutrality is not to completely eliminate the telephone and cable companies. We are not at that point yet. But the ultimate goal is to get rid of the media capitalists in the phone and cable companies and to divest them from control." A quote like that sums it up for me, it's spreading fear. Basically saying it's better to get screwed by the ISP then the government. But keep in mind that up to now the ISP's pushed the FCC to limit their ability to monetize public infrastructure and limit your ability to access content. What's the matter lost the debate with me so ignoring now? I know it's tough to get debunked so hard. Hush, be patient, you can't get my attention 24/7 you can't keep up with me, kid. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33717666 United States 05/16/2018 07:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FIRST This will NEVER pass the House. So stop your bitching. SECOND Those who bitch are shooting themselves in the foot. NN does NOT promote big brother from looking down on what you are doing. It "simply" the ISPs not being able to charge you for how you use the internet. Netflix etc. The ISPs do not want you to cancel cable subscriptions so that you can use the internet for video to save money. If you are against this, then you are against freedom. No, I am not a DEM. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 42079668 United States 05/16/2018 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FIRST Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33717666 This will NEVER pass the House. So stop your bitching. SECOND Those who bitch are shooting themselves in the foot. NN does NOT promote big brother from looking down on what you are doing. It "simply" the ISPs not being able to charge you for how you use the internet. Netflix etc. The ISPs do not want you to cancel cable subscriptions so that you can use the internet for video to save money. If you are against this, then you are against freedom. No, I am not a DEM. I never had a problem with my internet or my prices before net neutrality. Why is it needed again? |
Mkjeep
User ID: 24338353 United States 05/16/2018 07:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For or against, do or not do, TPTB make things so damn complicated you can’t figure out what’s best and THEY want it that way. We’re fucked by them either way we go. At least I’m 50 and on the downhill slide of this life so I can say fuck it all! Another few years house will be paid off.Only worry I have is for my daughter who is 15 and has to deal with the mega fuck world we live in. "Be like water my friend”- Bruce Lee |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73577072 Netherlands 05/16/2018 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072 "A widely cited example of a violation of net neutrality principles was the Internet service provider Comcast's secret slowing ("throttling") of uploads from peer-to-peer file sharing (P2P) applications by using forged packets.[9] Comcast did not stop blocking these protocols, like BitTorrent, until the Federal Communications Commission ordered them to stop.[10] In another minor example, The Madison River Communications company was fined US$15,000 by the FCC, in 2004, for restricting their customers' access to Vonage, which was rivaling their own services.[11] AT&T was also caught limiting access to FaceTime, so only those users who paid for AT&T's new shared data plans could access the application.[12] In July 2017, Verizon Wireless was accused of throttling after users noticed that videos played on Netflix and YouTube were slower than usual, though Verizon commented that it was conducting "network testing" and that net neutrality rules permit "reasonable network management practices".[13]" ( [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Geez you really researched didn't you? Bit torrent should be illegal. Funny how you support the illegal sharing of media, such as movies and programs, but you demand special rules for internet service providers. Hmm, pot meet kettle. Libs show their ignorance every day. Too ez. Bit torrent is a file sharing protocol, not by definition something you use to download copyright protected content.... I do not endorse the illegal sharing of copyright protected material but that is only a fraction of what the bittorrent protocol is used for. "Show your proof where corporations were raising internet rates unexplainably, and net neutrality helped to lower those rates." But I did that and your proved not to understand anything about the internet and how it works... I take it you give up now? No you didn't. I showed how your examples didn't back up your claim of the ISP's charging higher rates and net neutrality stopping that. You showed some ambiguous examples about possible throttling, regarding bittorrent programs, an isolated incident regarding vonage, which was solved with an FCC fine, and then an accusation of speed throttling, which wasn't even true. You failed sir. Stop this pathetic troll sir. Also you claim only a fraction of bitorrent is used for illegal downloading, I challenge you to back up this claim as well with proof. "You showed some ambiguous examples about possible throttling, regarding bittorrent programs, an isolated incident regarding vonage, which was solved with an FCC fine, and then an accusation of speed throttling, which wasn't even true." So government fine was needed to guarantee free access to the web? And legislation that limits the liberties a ISP can take with their customer's like Net Neutrality was enacted to safeguard that? I cannot at this time prove my bit torrent claim, I will give you that. Don't really care either way, you pay your ISP to access the internet. It's up to the copyright to go after the infringement. Or would yo prefer your ISP or government to do that for you? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73577072 Netherlands 05/16/2018 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Only the ISPs were regulated by net neutrality, not social media. Now if social media could be prevented from censoring conservatives great, but net neutrality was not that. Source: Limbaugh few months ago Quoting: jackleson "Net neutrality is the principle that Internet service providers treat all data on the Internet the same, and not discriminate or charge differently by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or method of communication.[4] For instance, under these principles, internet service providers are unable to intentionally block, slow down or charge money for specific websites and online content. This is sometimes enforced through government mandate." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27877532 United States 05/16/2018 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | LOL, no, it's not good unless you want government censorship, paying more because huge streaming sites like commie Netflix don't want to pay for what they use and high demand streaming slowed down so stuff like gardening tool supply sites can be "equal". Sheer stupidity and dangerous for freedom of speech - IOW, the shitlib/megacorp usual pile served up as "fairness". It is already censored name me one fucking torrent site! There are actually tons of them. |