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A dream from God...

 
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Tell you what I'll ask Azrael and get back to ya on that one :) (no its not me but I know who)



Cool let me know :)

 Quoting: Phoenix 2012

Follow up with a response to yesterday's Q:

Azrael and Uriel are not the same. Uriel (Uriah) is the Hebrew for Light of God. Azrael (Azariah) is Hebrew for Help of God. I offer both forms of the Hebrew angelic title (el and ah) to demonstrate why there is some confusion. People often mistake the difference in the angelic title as meaning two separate identities, when it doesn't. But where there is a difference in root names (Ezra-root of Azrael and Uri-root of Uriel), this does indicate two separate identities.
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Tell you what I'll ask Azrael and get back to ya on that one :) (no its not me but I know who)



Cool let me know :)


Follow up with a response to yesterday's Q:

Azrael and Uriel are not the same. Uriel (Uriah) is the Hebrew for Light of God. Azrael (Azariah) is Hebrew for Help of God. I offer both forms of the Hebrew angelic title (el and ah) to demonstrate why there is some confusion. People often mistake the difference in the angelic title as meaning two separate identities, when it doesn't. But where there is a difference in root names (Ezra-root of Azrael and Uri-root of Uriel), this does indicate two separate identities.
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Thanks :)
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Indeed a Good Morning MM, Cherished One :)

I had the coolest dream last night! The Sun was exploding solar flares, The Flares would turn into Fire birds and come to earth and Baptize Mankind

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I had a similar dream last Tuesday April 24, there were signs in the moon before the great explosion from the left side of the sun.
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Indeed a Good Morning MM, Cherished One :)

I had the coolest dream last night! The Sun was exploding solar flares, The Flares would turn into Fire birds and come to earth and Baptize Mankind




I had a similar dream last Tuesday April 24, there were signs in the moon before the great explosion from the left side of the sun.
 Quoting: Heya 162439


Wow a lot of people are having the dream of the RedSky! Nice to meet you Heya :)
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Spiritual Socialization…given on 4-28-07
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...do remember my agreement with everyone when having these little conversations. There is no judgment on my end of things nor any expectations on my part. You are free to believe what you wish.

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Good morning GLP



Socialization: a continuing process whereby an individual acquires a personal identity and learns the norms, values, behavior, and social skills appropriate to his or her social position.



Well...I'm off to work...Enjoy the day!

hf

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Thread: The Cherished One

...do remember my agreement with everyone when having these little conversations. There is no judgment on my end of things nor any expectations on my part. You are free to believe what you wish.

A message of Hope… [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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hfPeace
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MM = martina

Ahhhh I thought that was you! I have missed you Beloved!

Hope all is well...and welcome back!


hf



ok...going to work now.. lol, cya later GLP


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...do remember my agreement with everyone when having these little conversations. There is no judgment on my end of things nor any expectations on my part. You are free to believe what you wish.

A message of Hope… [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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hf Please continue!!!
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Good morning GLP



Socialization: a continuing process whereby an individual acquires a personal identity and learns the norms, values, behavior, and social skills appropriate to his or her social position.



Well...I'm off to work...Enjoy the day!

hf

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Have a great day Cherished One!
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Good morning GLP



Socialization: a continuing process whereby an individual acquires a personal identity and learns the norms, values, behavior, and social skills appropriate to his or her social position.



Well...I'm off to work...Enjoy the day!

hf

Peace


Have a great day Cherished One!
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Thanks friend... You too!


hf
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...do remember my agreement with everyone when having these little conversations. There is no judgment on my end of things nor any expectations on my part. You are free to believe what you wish.

A message of Hope… [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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ahhhhhh




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one more thing that is on my mind this morning...

103782 who i call She~ra....

you had a beautiful dream/vision
about Azrael and in your sharing
you were attacked by people who
are not *knowing*....

<maybe> you will tell again and no
one here will attack and misunderstand
the significance of what you were shown.


hf
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PROPHECIES

OF ST. JOHN BOSCO

"But behold, a great warrior from the north appears, a banner in his right hand, his arm bearing this inscription:
'Irresistible is the hand of the Lord.'

At that moment the Venerable Old Man of Rome went forward to meet him, wielding a flaming torch. The banner then grew larger and its blackness became white as snow; in its center stood out the name of the Almighty in golden letters.

"The warrior and his followers bowed profoundly to the Venerable Old Man and joined hands with him.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 230996


This is currently in process. hf
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Tell you what I'll ask Azrael and get back to ya on that one :) (no its not me but I know who)



Cool let me know :)


Follow up with a response to yesterday's Q:

Azrael and Uriel are not the same. Uriel (Uriah) is the Hebrew for Light of God. Azrael (Azariah) is Hebrew for Help of God. I offer both forms of the Hebrew angelic title (el and ah) to demonstrate why there is some confusion. People often mistake the difference in the angelic title as meaning two separate identities, when it doesn't. But where there is a difference in root names (Ezra-root of Azrael and Uri-root of Uriel), this does indicate two separate identities.
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Don't miss the genders of those two names as ah is Male and el is Female if memory serves. It's very possible these two may be a Twin Flame pair from WAY back. Notice that the Female is "Help of God", as in help of Uriel. hf
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one more thing that is on my mind this morning...

103782 who i call She~ra....

you had a beautiful dream/vision
about Azrael and in your sharing
you were attacked by people who
are not *knowing*....

<maybe> you will tell again and no
one here will attack and misunderstand
the significance of what you were shown.


hf
 Quoting: mm 74186


I have dreams of Azrael and now Uriel. I will share mine too She-Ra

Great Song MM <hugz>

Twin Flame Pairs indeed Saxon :)

Love
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THE SECOND COMING.

Written by Jacob Lorber sometime between 1840 to 1864

This is what Jesus Christ said through the Prophet Jakob Lorber about His Second Coming.
(This is from a conversation between Jesus and His disciples during his teaching years on earth, taken from "The Great Gospel of John).




First, as the prophet above was well immersed in the mythical lore of "Jesus Christ", one must don the appropriate message filter to glean meaninful information for this "send".



"On the occasion of My Second Coming, I shall not again be born as a child somewhere of a women, for My body remains transfigured as do I in eternity., and so I shall not ever again need another body like the one I have now on earth




There is no "second coming" as such is just more Occultic myth fabricated to ensare the masses. The "One" is flesh HERE, NOW as such is required for the purposes of extreme testing and validation. As it is said, "the last (weaker) shall be first and the first (mighty) last". Such is indeed the case. The "Jesus" myth was fabricated from one such "weaker" at the beginning of this final end run of the rebellion sent to set the tone and leave the fragments now utilized by those "mighty". Were "Jesus" to have been "the One", this age would have ended 2000 years ago. The Occultic elite simply wish for all of you to believe that "it was finished" 2000 years ago when in FACT it had JUST BEGUN. Possibly the above is a translation error, but the implication is that this "messiah" was alive in the flesh between 1840 to 1864. If one will take this whole message to be from the Self Existent One, the picture becomes more accurate. Possibly "Jesus" was the Self Existent One in the flesh, but such dictates the presence then of His Female counterpart as well as SUCH is the Kingdom. In any regard, even if He were, in no way is He then also the "One" as this person is one of us, NOT our Creator.






First I shall come invisibly in the 'clouds of heaven which means to say: I shall first approach humanity through true seers, wise men and newly awakened prophets. And in those days also maidens will prophesy and young men will have clairvoyant dreams announcing My advent. Many will listen to them and mend their ways, but the world will call them mad fanatics and not believe them, as was also the case with the prophets.





Notice the match of the above with the first Seal/Trumpet of the Essene Revelations, that of the Angel of the Air.




"Thus I will, from time to time, awaken persons to whom I will dictate, through their heart, all that is now, during My presence here happening and being discussed. The people in those days, almost all of whom will be able to read and write, will be able to read and also understand the new books. This way of spreading My teaching from the heavens, given anew and uncontaminated, will then make it possible to reach people all over the earth much faster and more effectively than is possible now through messengers in My name, by word of mouth.




Quite accurate indeed. Mother Shipton said as much as well hundreds of years earlier. IMO, these "teachings" to which He is pointing here are in fact those currently being held by the "Culdians" of New Zealand.




"When in this way My teaching will have been brought to the people of good will and active faith, and at least one third of humanity will know of it, then I will also, here and there, come personally and physically visible to those who love Me most, are longing for My return and will have a fully living faith. And I Myself shall form of them communities which no power in the world will be able to resist. For I shall be their commander-in-chief, their forever invincible Hero, and shall judge all the dead and blind worldlings. Thus I am going to cleanse the earth from its ancient filth.





The above is more role mixing as The Self Existent One is the GOD of the One and does not do his job. Indeed, the above is well shown in Black Elk's vision in which the "Pahana" is clearly shown. Black Elk's last vision clearly shows this formed community.





"At the time of the new seers and prophets, however, there will be great misery and distress among the people as has never before been the case on this earth. But for the sake of My elect this will be only of short duration, so that they do not come to grief in their progress towards salvation.




Thank God, most accurate.





However, in this land where I am now being persecuted like a criminal by the Jews of the temple(FreeMasons/Zionists/jesuites), from one place to another, and which at that time will be trampled underfoot by the darkest heathens, I shall not at first appear personally. But in the lands of another continent (New Zealand, Culdians) which at present is inhabited by heathens (aboriginees), I shall establish a new kingdom of peace, harmony, love and lasting, living faith. There will no longer be any fear of the death of the body among men who walk in My light and will be in constant contact with the angels of heaven.





True enough as shown in their "Reconcilliation" 50 page book.





"The earth is Mine everywhere, and I know where My return will be most effective for all the earth. But in those days, when people will be able to communicate with each other from one end of the earth to the other with lightning speed and, by making use of the spirits bound in the fire and water (engines), will be able to travel across the longest stretches of the earth faster than the greatest storm and when also ships, by means of the same forces, will cross the ocean in the shortest time, - it will be possible to easily spread the news of My personal return within a very short time over the entire earth, also to Asia.




Yes, easy indeed, while sitting in the comfort of a chair. LOL




"But there remains the question: Will the news be believed by the blind and deaf heathens of this continent? I should say: Hardly, until it will have been cleansed through a great universal judgment!




Sort of, think "millenium" age of teaching as short duration catastrophic events are totally unable to modify the hearts of God's children. Have you ever known a child properly raised with but one scolding/chastisement? It wont work with these either. LOL





"There is a vast land in the far west (Lamerica/America), which is on all sides surrounded by oceans and does not anywhere connect with the old world above water. >From this land (America) the people will first be hearing great things and these will also appear in the west of Europe. The result will be a bright radiating and reflecting: the lights of heaven will meet and support each other.(Tree of Life begins to grow once more via the Truth) Out of these lights, the sun of life will be forming which is the new, perfect Jerusalem, and in this sun I shall return to earth. (Yes, the re-establishment of the Tree of Life allows for much more direct contact with our Creator) The visible heaven and this earth will eventually pass away, but My words which I have spoken to you will not pass!"

(These excerpts are published in booklet form, called "The Advent of Christ".)



This part shows the calming of the raging river of your dream as well the opening of the clouds. The reason all of this takes place is due the fulfillment of the receiving of "The One" into the arms of Mother Earth/Heavenly Father. He is the son of the "promise" of old, he who replaces the one many wrongly call "Lucifer". Many of the memes and motifs above mix the picture of The Self Existent One with that of His/Her newly acquired son the "One", "Pahana", "Akae" or the returning "Knight" of the Occult realms.

Mother Earth now holds this child in Her arms and She is simply BEAMING. :angel1:
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THE SECOND COMING.

Written by Jacob Lorber sometime between 1840 to 1864

This is what Jesus Christ said through the Prophet Jakob Lorber about His Second Coming.
(This is from a conversation between Jesus and His disciples during his teaching years on earth, taken from "The Great Gospel of John).
 Quoting: The Cherished One




First, as the prophet above was well immersed in the mythical lore of "Jesus Christ", one must don the appropriate message filter to glean meaninful information for this "send".


"On the occasion of My Second Coming, I shall not again be born as a child somewhere of a women, for My body remains transfigured as do I in eternity., and so I shall not ever again need another body like the one I have now on earth
 Quoting: The Cherished One





There is no "second coming" as such is just more Occultic myth fabricated to ensare the masses. The "One" is flesh HERE, NOW as such is required for the purposes of extreme testing and validation. As it is said, "the last (weaker) shall be first and the first (mighty) last". Such is indeed the case. The "Jesus" myth was fabricated from one such "weaker" at the beginning of this final end run of the rebellion sent to set the tone and leave the fragments now utilized by those "mighty". Were "Jesus" to have been "the One", this age would have ended 2000 years ago. The Occultic elite simply wish for all of you to believe that "it was finished" 2000 years ago when in FACT it had JUST BEGUN. Possibly the above is a translation error, but the implication is that this "messiah" was alive in the flesh between 1840 to 1864. If one will take this whole message to be from the Self Existent One, the picture becomes more accurate. Possibly "Jesus" was the Self Existent One in the flesh, but such dictates the presence then of His Female counterpart as well as SUCH is the Kingdom. In any regard, even if He were, in no way is He then also the "One" as this person is one of us, NOT our Creator.





First I shall come invisibly in the 'clouds of heaven which means to say: I shall first approach humanity through true seers, wise men and newly awakened prophets. And in those days also maidens will prophesy and young men will have clairvoyant dreams announcing My advent. Many will listen to them and mend their ways, but the world will call them mad fanatics and not believe them, as was also the case with the prophets.
 Quoting: The Cherished One






Notice the match of the above with the first Seal/Trumpet of the Essene Revelations, that of the Angel of the Air.



"Thus I will, from time to time, awaken persons to whom I will dictate, through their heart, all that is now, during My presence here happening and being discussed. The people in those days, almost all of whom will be able to read and write, will be able to read and also understand the new books. This way of spreading My teaching from the heavens, given anew and uncontaminated, will then make it possible to reach people all over the earth much faster and more effectively than is possible now through messengers in My name, by word of mouth.
 Quoting: The Cherished One





Quite accurate indeed. Mother Shipton said as much as well hundreds of years earlier. IMO, these "teachings" to which He is pointing here are in fact those currently being held by the "Culdians" of New Zealand.



"When in this way My teaching will have been brought to the people of good will and active faith, and at least one third of humanity will know of it, then I will also, here and there, come personally and physically visible to those who love Me most, are longing for My return and will have a fully living faith. And I Myself shall form of them communities which no power in the world will be able to resist. For I shall be their commander-in-chief, their forever invincible Hero, and shall judge all the dead and blind worldlings. Thus I am going to cleanse the earth from its ancient filth.
 Quoting: The Cherished One






The above is more role mixing as The Self Existent One is the GOD of the One and does not do his job. Indeed, the above is well shown in Black Elk's vision in which the "Pahana" is clearly shown. Black Elk's last vision clearly shows this formed community.




"At the time of the new seers and prophets, however, there will be great misery and distress among the people as has never before been the case on this earth. But for the sake of My elect this will be only of short duration, so that they do not come to grief in their progress towards salvation.
 Quoting: The Cherished One





Thank God, most accurate.





However, in this land where I am now being persecuted like a criminal by the Jews of the temple(FreeMasons/Zionists/jesuites), from one place to another, and which at that time will be trampled underfoot by the darkest heathens, I shall not at first appear personally. But in the lands of another continent (New Zealand, Culdians) which at present is inhabited by heathens (aboriginees), I shall establish a new kingdom of peace, harmony, love and lasting, living faith. There will no longer be any fear of the death of the body among men who walk in My light and will be in constant contact with the angels of heaven.
 Quoting: The Cherished One






True enough as shown in their "Reconcilliation" 50 page book.




"The earth is Mine everywhere, and I know where My return will be most effective for all the earth. But in those days, when people will be able to communicate with each other from one end of the earth to the other with lightning speed and, by making use of the spirits bound in the fire and water (engines), will be able to travel across the longest stretches of the earth faster than the greatest storm and when also ships, by means of the same forces, will cross the ocean in the shortest time, - it will be possible to easily spread the news of My personal return within a very short time over the entire earth, also to Asia.
 Quoting: The Cherished One





Yes, easy indeed, while sitting in the comfort of a chair. LOL



"But there remains the question: Will the news be believed by the blind and deaf heathens of this continent? I should say: Hardly, until it will have been cleansed through a great universal judgment!
 Quoting: The Cherished One





Sort of, think "millenium" age of teaching as short duration catastrophic events are totally unable to modify the hearts of God's children. Have you ever known a child properly raised with but one scolding/chastisement? It wont work with these either. LOL




"There is a vast land in the far west (Lamerica/America), which is on all sides surrounded by oceans and does not anywhere connect with the old world above water. >From this land (America) the people will first be hearing great things and these will also appear in the west of Europe. The result will be a bright radiating and reflecting: the lights of heaven will meet and support each other.(Tree of Life begins to grow once more via the Truth) Out of these lights, the sun of life will be forming which is the new, perfect Jerusalem, and in this sun I shall return to earth. (Yes, the re-establishment of the Tree of Life allows for much more direct contact with our Creator) The visible heaven and this earth will eventually pass away, but My words which I have spoken to you will not pass!"

(These excerpts are published in booklet form, called "The Advent of Christ".)
 Quoting: The Cherished One



This part shows the calming of the raging river of your dream as well the opening of the clouds. The reason all of this takes place is due the fulfillment of the receiving of "The One" into the arms of Mother Earth/Heavenly Father. He is the son of the "promise" of old, he who replaces the one many wrongly call "Lucifer". Many of the memes and motifs above mix the picture of The Self Existent One with that of His/Her newly acquired son the "One", "Pahana", "Akae" or the returning "Knight" of the Occult realms.

Mother Earth now holds this child in Her arms and She is simply BEAMING. hf
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There, that's a bit easier to read no? hf
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In Mark 1:14-15, we hear something that is repeated many times in the gospels:

“…Jesus came into Galilee preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, the time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand…”

Right at that time, some 2,000 years ago, the Kingdom of God was ripe and ready to begin. Jesus was proclaiming it and telling the Jews that it was “at hand” – almost ready to happen. The long centuries of waiting for it were over for the “time is fulfilled.”

In Matthew 16:28 (one of the specific passages we will examine shortly), Christ says to his disciples:

“I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste of death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”
[NIV]

In this very plain statement by Jesus, we see that both the existence of the Kingdom of Christ and an event referred to as the Son of Man coming, would occur within the lifetimes of the disciples who were alive and with him right then – “some standing here”! We also see that the “coming” would not precede the existence of the Kingdom, for he would come “in it.”


What kind of kingdom would Christ bring to mankind? The Zealot Jews of the time were quite certain that the Messiah would bring an earthly kingdom that would defeat the enemies of Judea, namely the Roman Empire, and would set himself up as a physical king on an actual throne at Jerusalem. Even many of the followers of Jesus assumed he was going to accomplish a physical victory and set up an earthly rule of some kind (Acts 1:6 for instance). Jesus was quick to point out, however, that the things that were soon to come to pass and the Kingdom that was to begin within their lifetime were not physical things at all, but instead were spiritual things. Jesus told the Pharisees in Luke 17:21 –


“Behold, the kingdom is within you.”

and he told Pilate in plain, literal language in John 18:36 –


“My kingdom is not of this world...Now is my kingdom not from hence [not from this place].”

In 1 Corinthians 15:50, Paul teaches:


“I declare to you brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.”
[NIV]

It is plain that the Kingdom of God was and is a spiritual kingdom and not a physical one. Jesus promised that the Kingdom was at hand and indicated that some of those disciples he was with would live to see it and become a part of it. Did the Kingdom of God come into being during this time? Yes.

In Hebrews 12:28, we read:

“Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace....”

and in Colossians 1:13 –

“For he [the Father] has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves.”
[NIV]

Also see 1 Thessalonians 2:12 and 2 Peter 1:10-11.

It is quite obvious that there was no physical or earthly kingdom set up by Jesus within the lifetime of those disciples who were with him. Since we know that the Kingdom of God was in fact established, we understand what the Jews and many first Christians did not: that the Kingdom is spiritual in nature. There is nothing physical about it, other than the flesh of the men and women who embody it.

Let us be clear about the word “spiritual.” Some use the word to denote something that is not real, something that is only conceptual. To the reader and follower of the Bible, however, the word “spiritual” simply means “not physical.” God, we are told in John 4:24, “is a spirit.” God is real even though he does not inhabit a physical, flesh and blood body. Things that are spiritual in nature are just as real as physical things, only different in their form. As human beings, we have two natures. We have physical flesh and blood bodies, and we also have a form that is designed in God’s image (Genesis 1:26-27), which is a spirit. It is the part of us that We call “soul” or “mind,” that sets us apart from other living things and causes us to be “intelligent.”

Now, we know that Christ is in his spiritual Kingdom, where he sits at the right hand of God (Colossians 3:1):

“ Since, then, you have been raised with Christ set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.”

We also know from the several verses that we shall study next that Christ promised to return or come back to his faithful disciples. Because the Kingdom was spiritual in nature rather than physical, we can see that this “coming” must also have been spiritual in nature. If Christ was coming in his kingdom and the kingdom is spiritual, then the coming was spiritual. If Christ’s coming was or is physical in nature, then the Kingdom must also be a physical, earthly one. This is contrary to what the scriptures teach us about the nature of that Kingdom.

Since we also know that the Kingdom did actually come to the first Christians (Colossians 1:13 above), we know from logic that Christ did in fact come to them within their lifetimes, for he told them that they would see him coming in his Kingdom!

This is important for us to understand, so let us restate it. The Kingdom of God was “at hand” to the people Jesus was with. He promised that some of those people would see him coming in that kingdom. We know that the Christians after the cross were in the kingdom. Therefore, Christ must have come. He came to them, and he came in his Kingdom.

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<<<Mother Earth now holds this child in Her arms and She is simply BEAMING>>>


wow

funny you should mention this.
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With this understanding, we should be able to look into the scriptures and find a “spiritual coming” (not a physical one!) that corresponds to the beginning point of the Kingdom of God. Such an event can indeed be found in the familiar passage in Acts 2:1-4, describing what happened on the day of Pentecost.

From the time of Christ’s resurrection, he spent some 40 days with his apostles and disciples teaching and encouraging them. Then, he was “taken up” into the spiritual realm of God, rejoining the Father and Holy Spirit. For the next 19 days or so, the disciples had no contact with Christ or God. No preaching or teaching occurred, only prayer and the appointment of a replacement for Judas. Then, (Acts 2:1-4):

“When the day of pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues [languages] as the Spirit enabled them.”
[NIV]

Here, indeed, was a spiritual coming. This was the moment of empowerment to the apostles, and from this moment on they began to follow Christ’s commands to teach the good news (gospel) of the Kingdom and bring others into it – for the Kingdom of God had indeed arrived and had been established as promised.

This account, however, speaks of the spiritual coming of the Holy Spirit to the apostles, and many have taught that it was only the Holy Spirit that came to them on Pentecost. This is the traditional view and is the first answer given by those who believe that Jesus Christ has not returned to us today. Is this correct? Can we say that Christ had no part in this spiritual coming? To determine the facts, let us return to John 14:16-18, where Jesus prophecies this event:


“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter that he may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him, for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.”

Who was the “Comforter”? In verse 26 following, he identifies it as the Holy Ghost. The Greek word used here is “parakletos” which means (literally) “one called alongside” to help. In 1 John 2:1, we read of having an “advocate with the Father” for any who sin. This word “advocate” used in this passage is also from the Greek word “parakletos.” Who was this advocate? John tells us: “Jesus Christ the righteous”!

In Romans 8:27-28, we read of the “Spirit who makes intercession for us” to God. Note the present tense – this is a spirit who is with us now. Who is it? Verses 9-10 preceding this tell us that the Spirit is Christ, and in verse 34 we read that Christ is the intercessor.

Jesus also identified the Comforter with the Spirit of Truth. Who is the Spirit of Truth? In John 14:6, just preceding, Jesus says:

“I am the way, the truth, and the life…”

and in 1 John 5:20, John states:


“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding that we may know him that is true and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ…”

It simply does not make any sense for Jesus to say that he would send another Comforter, meaning the Holy Spirit alone, and then state he would not leave them comfortless (because he would return someday to comfort them).
This would mean that the Holy Spirit Comforter was of no comfort!

Does the Bible tell us then, that there is no difference between the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ? Do the scriptures separate these two Spirits? In Acts 13:2, we read that:


“…The Holy Spirit said, ‘set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them’.”
[NIV]

It was, of course, Jesus Christ who called Saul to be his disciple and apostle on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:3-20).


In 2 Corinthians 3:17, Paul states that:


“The Lord is the Spirit…. The Lord, who is the Spirit”
[NIV]

Should we assume from this that there is no separate third identity or personality of God called the Holy Spirit? Such an assumption would also be incorrect, for many scriptures make it plain that there is indeed a distinct entity called the Holy Spirit. To undo the confusion and make this clear for us, we can turn to John again. In 1 John 5:6-7, he says:


“…it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear record in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one.”

The spiritual Godhead is inseparable. When the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in a person, then so does Christ (the Word) and the Father! No one can receive the Holy Spirit and not receive Christ and the Father as well. When the Holy Spirit came back to the waiting Christians on Pentecost, all of God came, including Jesus Christ. It was in fact the spiritual coming of Christ to those who were waiting and watching for him and it was the establishment of his spiritual kingdom.


Paul in Colossians 2:9, said of Christ:

“ For in Christ all the fulness of the Deity lives in bodily form,”
Colossians 2:9, NIV.

Jesus told Philip (John 14:9):

“…anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.”
[NIV]

In the prophecy passage in verse 17 following, Jesus tells the disciples that they know that the Spirit is Christ himself because he “dwelleth with you” now, and “shall be in you” upon his spiritual return (on Pentecost). In verse 18, he says “I will come to you,” and in John 20-23:

“On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you…. If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.”
[NIV]

This promise was fulfilled. It is not something for our future. In Romans 8:9, we are told in no uncertain terms:

“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”

and in 1 John 4:13, we read:


“We know that we live in him [God] and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.”
[NIV]

This is the collective Spirit of God, which every Christian has contact with. If we do not have the spiritual return of Christ today – if we cannot claim to have Christ living in us spiritually, then we are “none of his,” not Christians at all.


So, we see that the events of the day of Pentecost fulfilled Christ’s promised return to his people who were anxiously looking for him, and it was a quick return indeed. He did not ever appear to the world again.
John 14:19 –

“Yet a little while and the world seeth me no more.”

Christ did come, along with the entire spiritual being of God, back to his own people as he had promised and prophesied and as he comes to anyone who will accept him today and forever.

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Indeed that was easy to read Saxon. Thanks too :)


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Now, let us examine in detail every verse that has reference to this spiritual return of Christ to his followers and see how they fit into the events of the day of Pentecost.

ACTS 1:11

“‘Men of Galilee,’ they said, ‘why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
[NIV]

Some have taken this passage to mean that since Jesus was taken from the physical earth into the spiritual state, his coming would be Simply a reversal of that event. This would constitute a physical return of Christ rather than a spiritual coming. This is, however, too simplistic an interpretation of the verse and it does not match up with other statements and prophecies in the Bible.

It is simplistic in the sense that it assumes that Jesus was not a spiritual creature at the time of his ascension. The assumption is that he was only a physical man while standing on the ground and then became transformed into an only spiritual being when he was taken up and vanished from their sight. This misleads one into the mistaken conclusion that Jesus will reverse the process and return to be a physical man once again.

Of course, we know that Christ appeared to his disciples as a human man after his resurrection. This had to occur in order to fulfill the prophecies (Luke 24:44). As the verses (39-43) preceding this tell, he showed his hands and feet and ate in front of them to show that he was real and not just a ghost, but we must understand that the resurrected Christ was also a spiritual creature who behaved and manifested himself quite differently than he did prior to the cross. For one thing, he always appeared and disappeared miraculously.

In Luke 24:31, after the apostles had walked and talked with Christ without recognizing him, their “eyes were opened” and they suddenly realized who he was, and then:

“He vanished out of their sight.”

And in John 20:19, we find the apostles in hiding behind closed and locked doors, for they were fearing persecution from the Jewish authorities. Suddenly:

“…came Jesus and stood in the midst.”

The same thing occurred eight days later (v.26) when he appeared in their meeting place even though the doors were locked.

In verse 17, Christ tells Mary Magdalene:

“Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father.”

In Mark 16:12, Jesus:

“…appeared in another form unto two of them…”

He was obviously a spiritual being exhibiting supernatural traits, even though he was manifested also as a physical man for the purpose of fulfilling the resurrection prophecies.

All of us are, of course, spiritual beings as well as physical ones, and Christ certainly was spiritual in nature at the time of his ascension. To suppose that the nature of his ascension was a transformation from physical only to spiritual only is simplistic and insupportable.

Since Jesus was manifested physically as well as spiritually, was the nature of the ascension then, a physical to physical process? No, for Christ went back to the Father, and as John tells us (John 4:24):

“God is a spirit...”

and (in 1 John 4:12):

“No man hath seen God at any time....”

When Jesus ascended, the writer states that “a cloud received him” (v.9). The term “cloud” is often used in the Bible to indicate the spiritual realm or the occurrence of spiritual things (see a discussion of this symbol in Part Two), and this is the meaning here (whether or not the apostles perceived him rising into a literal cloud). The word “spirit” is translated from the Greek and Hebrew words that have to do with wind and moving air. To compare the spirit or spiritual things with clouds and wind is about as close as symbols can come to describing something that is almost indescribable.

The realm of heaven into which Jesus ascended was certainly not the sky and outer space of our physical universe, but rather the spiritual realm of God the Father.

There is only one option left to us. The ascension was spiritual in nature – the spirit of Jesus Christ, separated from the Spirit of God, was rejoining God once again. It was a spiritual ascension, and the promised coming was in “the same way, which was Christ’s spirit returning and rejoining the spirits of all those disciples who were looking for him. We find the fulfillment of this coming in the events of Acts 2:1-4.

Christ promised them in Acts 1:8:

…you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you.”
[NIV]

He told them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for this great gift of power. Christ promised them he would not leave them comfortless: that he would come to them (John 14:16-18), and he did not make them wait very long. He, and the complete spirit of God, came on the day of Pentecost.
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you ALWAYS have the best
supporting graphics MM!

anywho...

Good Friday...two dreams.

The first one Saxon is gonna love...cause he SO MUCH
loves my snake stories :-).

Briefly...

I was holding a snake. A drop of blood came from
the snake and went into the earth. Looking again
the snake was shedding all of it's skin.

I saw a baby....wrapped in a blanket that was a
soft shade of green.

When i asked on the inner what the colour was I
heard:

<<lamb's ear>>

Many layers here from my perspective :-)
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<<<<<<“No man hath seen God at any time....”>>>>>



hmmmmmm
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He stood there in that river for many…many moments. A great feeling of calm and peace came upon him as he tried to obtain what was going on. He felt though he already knew what this was all about. A LEADER! A GREAT LEADER! came to mind. He slowly walked to the other side of the river of Life...................given on 4-29-07
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You believe you're so special that God would choose to send you a special dream? Delusions of grandeur!
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Awesome Dreams MM! I see many layers too :)
I have had the dream of a snake and a drop of blood!

Love,
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He stood there in that river for many…many moments. A great feeling of calm and peace came upon him as he tried to obtain what was going on. He felt though he already knew what this was all about. A LEADER! A GREAT LEADER! came to mind. He slowly walked to the other side of the river of Life...................given on 4-29-07


You believe you're so special that God would choose to send you a special dream? Delusions of grandeur!
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Well if you looked a little harder 202801 you would see the truth :) That will actually involve action on your part.

Can you do it?
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<<<Mother Earth now holds this child in Her arms and She is simply BEAMING>>>


wow

funny you should mention this.
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A friend of mine saw that in a vision just a week or so ago. She has very accurate vision. hf





GLP