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The mother of my two children has been battling gastro-intestinal problems the last 6 months
They took her gall bladder out due to a large amount of gall stones in December.

She started having problems with her bile duct. (won't open)

Last month they tried to make it open, they botched it which led to an onset of pancreatitis.

Her bild duct still hasn't opened and she is waiting for another surgery attempt.


PLEASE TELL ME IF THERE ARE ANY ALTERNATIVES THAT CAN HELP HER AVOID THE BUTCHERS!!! THANK YOU GLP IN ADVANCE!!!
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if nobody ever responds to another thread i put up, please respond to this one with some good info.
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There are alot of doctors on this site. You are in good hands, I'm sure one of them will respond soon.

I'm praying for your wife to get well.
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homeopathy.

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Get her to Rochester, MN. She will live if you take her there.
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Dude --

Google liver cleanse --- it calls for Epsom Salts to open up bile ducts before the cleanse. Apple juice may also help along with some olive oil. Check it out -- pick whatever seems suitable -- I don't see how it could hurt to try. Sounds like you have some jewels for Dr's. Good luck.
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Get her to Rochester, MN. She will live if you take her there.
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oh come on with the details.
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Dude --

Google liver cleanse --- it calls for Epsom Salts to open up bile ducts before the cleanse. Apple juice may also help along with some olive oil. Check it out -- pick whatever seems suitable -- I don't see how it could hurt to try. Sounds like you have some jewels for Dr's. Good luck.
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damn it looks like you're right. i thought it was too late for a cleanse because she already had the GB taken out.

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John Hopkins University/hospital is in MN (I think).

UAB would be closer and world renowned.

If doctor screwed up the first time you will never know!!
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[link to www.naturalhealthlibrarian.com]

This guy has allot of good, free, well-referenced info. For this book, he charges $25. I haven't bought it myself, but I would if I had bile duct issues.
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Dr. Hulda Clarke gives recipe for liver cleanse that is very easy. She says even a very very elderly or ill person can do it. However, she says you should do a parasite cleanse first, that takes a week. Here's her website:

[link to www.drclark.net]
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John Hopkins University/hospital is in MN (I think).

UAB would be closer and world renowned.

If doctor screwed up the first time you will never know!!
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damn i forgot about UAB! she is active duty air force and they wanted to send her to wilford zombie hall, the civilian doc wants her to go to jacksonville. as far as I know UAB hasn't come up nor the place in minny.
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but if you don't have time for the whole parasite cleanse thing, maybe you could modify the amounts or something, just a small amount of the epsom to get the bile ducts open. I'm no medico, just saying if it were me, that's the direction I would investigate.
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Dr. Hulda Clarke gives recipe for liver cleanse that is very easy. She says even a very very elderly or ill person can do it. However, she says you should do a parasite cleanse first, that takes a week. Here's her website:

[link to www.drclark.net]
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he is trashing the other liver flushes that involve olive oil and lemon juice. could it be for people to buy HIS book?? i'm skeptical.
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I think it's the Mayo Clinic in MN.
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Get her to Rochester, MN. She will live if you take her there.
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I hope your experience turns out better than mine then. I understand that the Mayo is supposed to be the best in the world but when I had my wife there, they basically set her up for one test per day the whole time we were there and never came up with anything.

I only had a weeks vacation and they expected us there for over three weeks. I could not afford accomodation for any longer. Even after insurance, this was costing way too much.

Turned out the siesures she was having were a result of sleep apnea and anaesthetics as explained by a small town doctor. The whole time we were at the Mayo I told the docs that she only ever had seisures after surgery. She had quite a few due to her Crohns disease.

Having passed on my horror story, I do wish the best of luck.
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Get her to Rochester, MN. She will live if you take her there.


I hope your experience turns out better than mine then. I understand that the Mayo is supposed to be the best in the world but when I had my wife there, they basically set her up for one test per day the whole time we were there and never came up with anything.

I only had a weeks vacation and they expected us there for over three weeks. I could not afford accomodation for any longer. Even after insurance, this was costing way too much.

Turned out the siesures she was having were a result of sleep apnea and anaesthetics as explained by a small town doctor. The whole time we were at the Mayo I told the docs that she only ever had seisures after surgery. She had quite a few due to her Crohns disease.

Having passed on my horror story, I do wish the best of luck.
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thanks alot for this.
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Re: The mother of my two children has been battling gastro-intestinal problems the last 6 months
They took her gall bladder out due to a large amount of gall stones in December.

She started having problems with her bile duct. (won't open)

Last month they tried to make it open, they botched it which led to an onset of pancreatitis.

Her bild duct still hasn't opened and she is waiting for another surgery attempt.


PLEASE TELL ME IF THERE ARE ANY ALTERNATIVES THAT CAN HELP HER AVOID THE BUTCHERS!!! THANK YOU GLP IN ADVANCE!!!
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Friend, I can not offer you advice on where to go, other than to say the Mayo in Rochester is supposed to be the best in the world.

Aside from that though. My wife lost 100 pounds in 8 months due to having Crohns disease. Although she was heavy enough to begin with that that ammount didn't kill her, she was very sick for a long time.

I can tell you that she needs you to be at her side right now, even if she acts in any way that you don't understand. She has a lot on her mind right now and needs your support. Sounds like she has it so I applaud you.
hf
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I think I would try to get the bile duct open with the epson salts first.

Definitely do not try the full liver cleanse with the duct blocked.

The gall stones actually form in the liver -- then stack up in the gall bladder. The parasite kill may not be a bad option either -- because she could have one blocking the duct.

Just think I would try the easiest first.
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I've known plenty of people who have gone to Mayo. It's no better than anywhere else... just BIGGER. Just as much chance for a doc to screw up there as anyplace.

Is her bile duct not opening at ALL??? It must be opening at least a bit at times or the toxins being released by the liver would have backed up into her system (blood stream) in a short period of time (a few days) and she would be vomiting from the nausea and so dizzy she wouldn't be able to stand up. So there is no way she has gone a month without her bile duct opening at all. Unless possibly she is in the hospital, being fed through I.V. and on a hepatic dialysis machine. But I'm not saying I don't believe you.... just that if she's still walking around, it's opening a BIT. And yeah, if they screwed up a bile duct corrective surgery, pancreatitis would be very very likely.

Sorry to ask really personal questions, but....

Is she having ANY bowel movements?

What color are they? (even if they are not normal)

You could certainly try a liver flush. It is true that they can easily be done without a gallbladder... but I've never heard of one being done with someone whose bile duct won't open. The epsom salts could potentially help relax it and it MIGHT allow some bile through. But I would make sure she is well hydrated beforehand and then give two tablespoons of epsom salts dissolved in a glass of slightly warm water. An hour later, give a fairly small amount of sunflower seed oil mixed with lemon juice (maybe two tablespoons of each). Put a heating pad over the liver/gallbladder area for 45 minutes or so and see if she expereinces any "movement" of any kind. If the duct releases any bile, she should be able to tell by how she feels (she'll either FEEL it open and hear movment in her intestines) or she'll feel pretty ill from the toxins released (in which case she should do an enema to get rid of the toxins....possibly more than one over the course of a day or so).

BUT.... As much as I don't like doctors.... if this is a case where her bile duct is not opening, you might want to make sure a doctor knows what you are doing... or be near an ER in case something goes wrong. I don't mean to scare you, but although liver flushes are great, sometimes people run into problems with them, even with "normally functioning anatomy".

Have the docs told her any theory as to WHY they think her bile duct won't open????

I wish her all the best.
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I've known plenty of people who have gone to Mayo. It's no better than anywhere else... just BIGGER. Just as much chance for a doc to screw up there as anyplace.

Is her bile duct not opening at ALL??? It must be opening at least a bit at times or the toxins being released by the liver would have backed up into her system (blood stream) in a short period of time (a few days) and she would be vomiting from the nausea and so dizzy she wouldn't be able to stand up. So there is no way she has gone a month without her bile duct opening at all. Unless possibly she is in the hospital, being fed through I.V. and on a hepatic dialysis machine. But I'm not saying I don't believe you.... just that if she's still walking around, it's opening a BIT. And yeah, if they screwed up a bile duct corrective surgery, pancreatitis would be very very likely.

Sorry to ask really personal questions, but....

Is she having ANY bowel movements?

What color are they? (even if they are not normal)

You could certainly try a liver flush. It is true that they can easily be done without a gallbladder... but I've never heard of one being done with someone whose bile duct won't open. The epsom salts could potentially help relax it and it MIGHT allow some bile through. But I would make sure she is well hydrated beforehand and then give two tablespoons of epsom salts dissolved in a glass of slightly warm water. An hour later, give a fairly small amount of sunflower seed oil mixed with lemon juice (maybe two tablespoons of each). Put a heating pad over the liver/gallbladder area for 45 minutes or so and see if she expereinces any "movement" of any kind. If the duct releases any bile, she should be able to tell by how she feels (she'll either FEEL it open and hear movment in her intestines) or she'll feel pretty ill from the toxins released (in which case she should do an enema to get rid of the toxins....possibly more than one over the course of a day or so).

BUT.... As much as I don't like doctors.... if this is a case where her bile duct is not opening, you might want to make sure a doctor knows what you are doing... or be near an ER in case something goes wrong. I don't mean to scare you, but although liver flushes are great, sometimes people run into problems with them, even with "normally functioning anatomy".

Have the docs told her any theory as to WHY they think her bile duct won't open????

I wish her all the best.
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hey, thanks for your input. i would never make something like this up. i also need to clarify that we're not married nor are we together anymore but we're close friends and we have kids together. so i care about her well-being deeply. i asked her today what her bowel movements were like and she told me that she DOESN'T HAVE ANY. she said she gives herself an enema every couple of days and she's on 6 different types of medication. she says that's the only reason she's able to function somewhat normally and help take care of the kids. i am so afraid for her life if she goes back under, that's why i'm hoping there is some alternative.
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OH, I so wish I could help.

I'm in the same boat myself. I've been ill--nauseated, dizzy, losing weight--for six months, too. I've lost about 15 pounds, but keeping down food and drink (with meds).Right now, they think it's my gb, although tests are normal. That's why I'm having a colonoscopy and endoscope tomorrow.

I am sure she is hurting and miserable, and I wish I could give some advice. I can only say I empathize and I'm praying for her and for the docs to find what is wrong.
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Dude in Florida. If you have the funds to travel I recomend that you take her to the Methodist Hospital in Houston Texas. Make an appointment to see Dr. Barroso. He is a gastrenterologist and a gastric surgeon. Probably the best in the world. He has performed the same surgery that you describe but had to construct the bile duct out of surrounding tissue after removing a large tumor that had obstructed her small intestine, in one patient of his that I knew. It was an incredibly complicated proceedure and he had to be creative. The young woman lives a normal and healthy life now. His skill is unmatched and his manner is warm and friendly. I know him personally and have been to him with my own gastric ailments.

there is none better.

Dr. Barroso at the Methodist Hospital. In Houston Texas.
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sodomize her
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DIDN'T read all the replies, BUT I know from personal experience AND the advice of MANY others, you get rid of ANY STONES with cranberry juice, as the stones are basicly calcium carbonate, which react with any acid ( cranberry Juice ) to dissolve same.

DON'T buy the extremely sweet and deluted 'juices', as there is NOT enough acid in them to work. Buy sweetened cranberry juice, NO fillers and take it like medicine three times a day. Haven't had stone problems since the early 1980s.

I am NOT a doctor; just former science teacher WITH a minor in chemistry. I KNOW what works for me.

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Dude in Florida. If you have the funds to travel I recomend that you take her to the Methodist Hospital in Houston Texas. Make an appointment to see Dr. Barroso. He is a gastrenterologist and a gastric surgeon. Probably the best in the world. He has performed the same surgery that you describe but had to construct the bile duct out of surrounding tissue after removing a large tumor that had obstructed her small intestine, in one patient of his that I knew. It was an incredibly complicated proceedure and he had to be creative. The young woman lives a normal and healthy life now. His skill is unmatched and his manner is warm and friendly. I know him personally and have been to him with my own gastric ailments.

there is none better.

Dr. Barroso at the Methodist Hospital. In Houston Texas.
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Do you have any contact info for the doc or do I need to just call the hospital? Her situation is a bit more complicated because she's active air force and has to be given permission to go to that doc. they are trying to decided where to send her. I will let her know about Dr. Barroso. She's actually gonna be reading this thread tonight.
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John Hopkins University/hospital is in MN (I think).

UAB would be closer and world renowned.

If doctor screwed up the first time you will never know!!
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Johns Hopkins is in Baltimore, Maryland. The best. Go there. Or get a second opinion from a Board certified gastroenterologist. I do med mal legal work.
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seems like everybody knows who's the best lol
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I have a friend that reacovered from Crohns disease by eating the Primal Diet. Its been my recommended healing program for awhile now. www.primaldiet.com

People need healthy, live food with tons of enzymes and probiotics in them.
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I have a friend that reacovered from Crohns disease by eating the Primal Diet. Its been my recommended healing program for awhile now. www.primaldiet.com

People need healthy, live food with tons of enzymes and probiotics in them.
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yo thanks for this. i'm gonna order it.
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seems like everybody knows who's the best lol
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There are a lot of great Docs out there. If you find a top-tier specialist, you will be taken care of. For those of us who have had the benefit of their services, we call them "the best."





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