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| Black Knight
Offer Upgrade  User ID: 66996549  United States12/27/2017 06:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Black Knight
(OP) User ID: 66996549 United States12/27/2017 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I cannot recall ever being spread on bread. He who feels the respect which is due to others cannot fail to inspire in them regard for himself, while he who feels, and hence manifests, disrespect towards others, especially his inferiors, cannot fail to inspire hatred against himself. When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling Herr Bartlett, your German is good and I hear also your French. Your arms - UP! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73512694  Italy12/27/2017 06:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what's the deal with this Go Find Me thing anyway? An old high school classmate of my wife's started up a Go Fund Me account for one of the former football players in their class that has fallen on hard times. Don't know what happened to the wife, but he found himself homeless with six children which severely limited his ability to work the low paying foundry job he had been working at. He moved himself and the kids into his Dad's house in our Township but Dad had not been paying the mortgage for a while and they were all kicked out. The collections started then and we donated a bunch of food and some tents and camping gear because they were moving into a local campsite. The friend, who was a cheerleader for the team got the GFM thing going and a few months later this guy has 4 years paid for in a townhouse/condo for him and his family, $30-$40k in cash, a Disney vacation for all, and a couple of grand each in gift cards for Christmas. Quoting: Black Knight Now it really sounds like a great thing and good for those who have fallen on hard times and are now getting a big break, but somehow, inside, I have misgivings about celebrating this, another marvel of modern technology. Like so many people my age, I was raised to never look for handouts or to expect them and when times got tight in the past, me and mine had to struggle and bust our butts to get through, which we did. So could there be jealousy on my part? I am only human so it sure is possible. I will try to get over that. A clear problem that I have is when I hear almost ever person I talk to bitch to high heaven about doling out welfare, food stamps and free health care to the poor, it seems rather two faced don't you think? Perhaps we could replace social safety nets with Go Fund Me rather than taking it from taxpayers who may or may not be able to afford it in the first place? Does handing out such wealth to those in situations like this tell these people that it makes more sense to take hand outs than to work it out themselves? What happens when the money runs out? There are so many questions about this concept that I felt it might be a good idea to run it up the GLP Flagpole and see it anyone salutes it. What say you? dont worry, they will all be homeless or dead once the collapse happens... let them enjoy their pathetic little lives while they still have time. |
| darkwolf007
User ID: 75569707 United States12/27/2017 06:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Funny, OP. As for your OP, OP, I have a Castle Clash guildmate who did a GoFundMe page two or so years ago. He did it purely out of the idea maybe someone would be nice enough to help fund his Castle Clash addiction for him. Last I knew he got close to a thousand dollars by random people. So with that in mind, OP, a GoFundMe page can be made for fun/personal entertainment or deadly serious. If the the father you mentioned in your OP has fallen onto hard times due to his own idiocy then using a GFM page to get him and his family up and running would technically be a scam, but then again emotional blackmail these days is an essential step towards making it big via public handouts these days. Tell the truth about your situation regardless if it's an emotion one or not and you'll liable to get nothing but crap from everyone ceaselessly, but lie and mess with peoples' Heart Strings and the masses can't do enough for you and start screaming at you, "Take my money!". You can thank the MSM and Hollywood for transforming America into an emotionally and ego based society instead of a logic based one. Conspiracy Theorist is nothing more than a derogatory title used to dismiss a critical thinker. A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us." -- St. Anthony The Great Social Credit Loser here. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75934822 United States12/27/2017 06:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For example, someone I know was battling cancer and wanted to do alternative treatments, as well as modern/traditional chemo, etc. and set up a fund page so they could travel back and forth to Mexico, going to special spas etc. The thing is they are very well to do. And I know they didn't *need* to ask everyone they knew for money. But it was impossible to ignore because of my circle of friends and all. I thought taking advantage. On another occasion a young couple I know, their baby died, and the fund page was set up to help with medical and funeral expenses. I had no problem donating to them. Anyway . . . you just have to look at each request on it's own and decide. |
| Black Knight
(OP) User ID: 66996549 United States12/27/2017 06:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | dont worry, they will all be homeless or dead once the collapse happens... let them enjoy their pathetic little lives while they still have time. There are a number of reasons that I am interested in getting an idea of the value of this "program". As Trenton squeezes our municipalities next year along with our local NJEA expired contract negotiators, taxpayers are going to be bitching up a storm about not being able to afford any of these changes. Seems to me if you look in their driveways at the Lexus', BMW's, and MB's with Red Christmas bows on them and look up how much cash they can cough up for these GFM issues, a pretty good case can be made that they should simply STFU and pay. I guess I am data mining to enhance my own abilities to address the gnashing of teeth that I know is coming down the road. He who feels the respect which is due to others cannot fail to inspire in them regard for himself, while he who feels, and hence manifests, disrespect towards others, especially his inferiors, cannot fail to inspire hatred against himself. When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling Herr Bartlett, your German is good and I hear also your French. Your arms - UP! |
| MostlySunshine
User ID: 73358000 United States12/27/2017 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think Go Fund Me is fine. People are asking for good reasons and people are asking for shitty reasons. However if anyone decides to spend their money on a good/shitty reason then it's their money. I have never donated to a Go Fund Me page or set one up. I never had a reason to set one up thankfully. My sister in law set one up a while back can't remember the exact reason. I think it was a tumor on her brain. It helped her out a little and relieved some her families stress. Ain't no sunshine when she's gone...ain't no borderline psychotic emotional outbursts either. Some days you just have to create your own sunshine. |
| cosmicgypsy
User ID: 74619032 United States12/27/2017 06:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SIX children....SIX! That's a lot of children to take care of, to see that they're fed, housed, and clothes are put on their backs. So what if the parents might have made a mess of their lives....SIX children. Think of the just the children, and you know the answer to your question. Their lives are changed for the very best by the GFM effort. Their lives could've gone down the shitter, and fast. At least they have a fighting chance now....  You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
| Black Knight
(OP) User ID: 66996549 United States12/27/2017 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SIX children....SIX! Quoting: cosmicgypsy That's a lot of children to take care of, to see that they're fed, housed, and clothes are put on their backs. So what if the parents might have made a mess of their lives....SIX children. Think of the just the children, and you know the answer to your question. Their lives are changed for the very best by the GFM effort. Their lives could've gone down the shitter, and fast. At least they have a fighting chance now.... Well yes, BUT. One of the most important lessons that was driven into our psyches when we were growing up was that working hard was the best way to get "ahead". I am not saying that the kids will learn from this that sitting around and asking for handouts is better than doing that, but I believe that the possibility of such a poor lesson being taken from this does in fact exist. Another issue is that the grandfather seems to have believed that not paying a mortgage that he voluntarily agreed to enter into was better than selling the house before foreclosure took place. I would argue that when a society gets to a point where it rewards bad behavior and penalizes good behavior, bad behavior will quickly become the rule of the day. Am I wrong? Last Edited by Black Knight on 12/27/2017 06:53 PM He who feels the respect which is due to others cannot fail to inspire in them regard for himself, while he who feels, and hence manifests, disrespect towards others, especially his inferiors, cannot fail to inspire hatred against himself. When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling Herr Bartlett, your German is good and I hear also your French. Your arms - UP! |
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| Black Knight
(OP) User ID: 66996549 United States12/27/2017 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. You'll STILL pay the taxes, whether it's spend on welfare or not. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75978488 Are you really that dense? If you are addressing me, of course I understand the reality, but then I am not some witless 20-30040 something paying into Social Security and totally accepting that I will never collect a penny of my own money back. Personally I put over $200K into that pot and have gotten about $50K back so far. Perhaps I have a chance to get even, even if you do not, sorry about that. Also, since the American taxpayer does not even care enough to open its yap and complain and keeps re-electing the same old scum, of course the sellout will only screw us. He who feels the respect which is due to others cannot fail to inspire in them regard for himself, while he who feels, and hence manifests, disrespect towards others, especially his inferiors, cannot fail to inspire hatred against himself. When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling Herr Bartlett, your German is good and I hear also your French. Your arms - UP! |
| Corkygreenstate
User ID: 73001955 United States12/27/2017 07:54 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SIX children....SIX! Quoting: cosmicgypsy That's a lot of children to take care of, to see that they're fed, housed, and clothes are put on their backs. So what if the parents might have made a mess of their lives....SIX children. Think of the just the children, and you know the answer to your question. Their lives are changed for the very best by the GFM effort. Their lives could've gone down the shitter, and fast. At least they have a fighting chance now.... You would think one would figure out how that keeps happening. The world just might end with me |
| cosmicgypsy
User ID: 74619032 United States12/27/2017 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SIX children....SIX! Quoting: cosmicgypsy That's a lot of children to take care of, to see that they're fed, housed, and clothes are put on their backs. So what if the parents might have made a mess of their lives....SIX children. Think of the just the children, and you know the answer to your question. Their lives are changed for the very best by the GFM effort. Their lives could've gone down the shitter, and fast. At least they have a fighting chance now.... Well yes, BUT. One of the most important lessons that was driven into our psyches when we were growing up was that working hard was the best way to get "ahead". I am not saying that the kids will learn from this that sitting around and asking for handouts is better than doing that, but I believe that the possibility of such a poor lesson being taken from this does in fact exist. Another issue is that the grandfather seems to have believed that not paying a mortgage that he voluntarily agreed to enter into was better than selling the house before foreclosure took place. I would argue that when a society gets to a point where it rewards bad behavior and penalizes good behavior, bad behavior will quickly become the rule of the day. Am I wrong? Well, I think perhaps you're more analytical than I am about it. For me it's about the kids being taken care of....would they have been better served to pay the price of the elder, and to be homeless? You see, but that's how my mind works. I certainly do hope for all of their sake's that the father makes sure the kids are raised with better values than to take advantage...but I also don't think anyone was taken advantage of, not in this case. I'm a big softie when it comes to the wee ones, my friend. I will always look to their welfare before anything else. As far as GFM and the likes taking the place of the welfare system: No, I don't think that will ever happen. We do pay taxes for a reason, and welfare is part of the reason. Just as many people who take advantage of the system will take advantage of some other system like GFM. What the welfare system needs is a good cracking on its head so that those who take advantage can, or more so WILL, no longer be able to/want to take advantage. Heh, just tell serial welfare mothers that the government will no longer pay benefits for more than two children, and see how many women stop spitting babies out once a year. Heh. You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
| cosmicgypsy
User ID: 74619032 United States12/27/2017 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SIX children....SIX! Quoting: cosmicgypsy That's a lot of children to take care of, to see that they're fed, housed, and clothes are put on their backs. So what if the parents might have made a mess of their lives....SIX children. Think of the just the children, and you know the answer to your question. Their lives are changed for the very best by the GFM effort. Their lives could've gone down the shitter, and fast. At least they have a fighting chance now.... You would think one would figure out how that keeps happening. Well, I agree with you. I had one child, and then had my tubes tied before I turned 23. I've never, ever regretted my decision. But, the fact of the matter is that those children are here already. It's not like they can be put back...harhar. Yeah, but six is an awful lot of children to be having, especially if they can't actually be afforded. I do hope the father has enough sense to instill a sense of gratitude rather than entitlement in his kids. I do hope he raises them responsibly. You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
| BunnySwanson
User ID: 73101119 United States12/27/2017 08:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is the kids we feel sorry for. My industry is being eliminated due to outsourcing/technology (medical transcription) and some of us have been in it for 30 years. Our website is full of women desperate for an income and a few who have stated they have no choice but suicide. When I set up a GFM account for a coworker, was met with a furious response and forced to take it down from FB as this persistent person stated that my friend deserved her misfortune(60 yr old moved and ended up stuck in another state without a job and a 64 yr old diabetic sister who could not stand high altitude so they had to move back to Alabama, ended up in Tennessee on false lead, living on bad side of town, 2 Christian ladies with southern accents, high heels and a bible essentially). No one sent anything but me. Then, I set up one for myself because I am about to lose my home and have pulled right rotator cuff and fractured left scaphoid bone trying to use my non-dominant hand. Went to doctor and they sent me for a chest x-ray. So rude, I refused to go back. Filed SSDI, denied. Now I have to move. I think everyone is in same boat. I have been on internet for 15 years, have 5000 friends/followers/fans, am on every night spreading links to Google, FB, twitter referencing Truth News which has been my main project since 911....and nothing. Painted some passable art, made bracelets and candles to sell...nothing. I sent $10 here every month for a year, $50 dollars every month to ZH, $800 to Trump, and it wasn't even noticed. Now, I am faced with a bleak future. We are blue collar workers and we are going down. I have 4 pets and will be living in some RV, trying to find a safe place to park so I can afford gas to move. Trump thinks everyone is in the stock market. Last Edited by BunnySwanson on 12/27/2017 08:46 PM Had a dream long ago which showed me the future and it was not pretty. Been watching closely ever since. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76041567 United States12/27/2017 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can I set up a GOFUNDME for ME? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76041567 Like, send me money, so I can spend it? I'm comfortable and all, but I want great wealth and don't have the ambition to bust balls to get it. It would make it so much easier if EVERYBODY would just GIVE me a buck, or maybe even tree fiddy? |
| Black Knight
(OP) User ID: 66996549 United States12/27/2017 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can I set up a GOFUNDME for ME? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76041567 Like, send me money, so I can spend it? I'm comfortable and all, but I want great wealth and don't have the ambition to bust balls to get it. It would make it so much easier if EVERYBODY would just GIVE me a buck, or maybe even tree fiddy? Seems to me that this is one potential use for the GFM system isn't it? Go for it. He who feels the respect which is due to others cannot fail to inspire in them regard for himself, while he who feels, and hence manifests, disrespect towards others, especially his inferiors, cannot fail to inspire hatred against himself. When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling Herr Bartlett, your German is good and I hear also your French. Your arms - UP! |
| BunnySwanson
User ID: 73101119 United States12/27/2017 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can I set up a GOFUNDME for ME? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76041567 Like, send me money, so I can spend it? Seems that after every false flag, sometimes even before, millions of dollars were collected through GFM. Perhaps that was George paying his henchmen, in any event, it was stil an abuse of the site. So, do you think people who get help should fit certain criteria or that no one should get help at all? Had a dream long ago which showed me the future and it was not pretty. Been watching closely ever since. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76041567 United States12/27/2017 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can I set up a GOFUNDME for ME? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76041567 Like, send me money, so I can spend it? I'm comfortable and all, but I want great wealth and don't have the ambition to bust balls to get it. It would make it so much easier if EVERYBODY would just GIVE me a buck, or maybe even tree fiddy? Seems to me that this is one potential use for the GFM system isn't it? Go for it. Thank you for your support. I have the highest IQ to ambition ratio ever recorded. |
| Black Knight
(OP) User ID: 66996549 United States12/27/2017 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SIX children....SIX! Quoting: cosmicgypsy That's a lot of children to take care of, to see that they're fed, housed, and clothes are put on their backs. So what if the parents might have made a mess of their lives....SIX children. Think of the just the children, and you know the answer to your question. Their lives are changed for the very best by the GFM effort. Their lives could've gone down the shitter, and fast. At least they have a fighting chance now.... Well yes, BUT. One of the most important lessons that was driven into our psyches when we were growing up was that working hard was the best way to get "ahead". I am not saying that the kids will learn from this that sitting around and asking for handouts is better than doing that, but I believe that the possibility of such a poor lesson being taken from this does in fact exist. Another issue is that the grandfather seems to have believed that not paying a mortgage that he voluntarily agreed to enter into was better than selling the house before foreclosure took place. I would argue that when a society gets to a point where it rewards bad behavior and penalizes good behavior, bad behavior will quickly become the rule of the day. Am I wrong? Well, I think perhaps you're more analytical than I am about it. For me it's about the kids being taken care of....would they have been better served to pay the price of the elder, and to be homeless? You see, but that's how my mind works. I certainly do hope for all of their sake's that the father makes sure the kids are raised with better values than to take advantage...but I also don't think anyone was taken advantage of, not in this case. I'm a big softie when it comes to the wee ones, my friend. I will always look to their welfare before anything else. As far as GFM and the likes taking the place of the welfare system: No, I don't think that will ever happen. We do pay taxes for a reason, and welfare is part of the reason. Just as many people who take advantage of the system will take advantage of some other system like GFM. What the welfare system needs is a good cracking on its head so that those who take advantage can, or more so WILL, no longer be able to/want to take advantage. Heh, just tell serial welfare mothers that the government will no longer pay benefits for more than two children, and see how many women stop spitting babies out once a year. Heh. Yes I am perhaps too logical and that does not go over well with the general public. I have found in my day that good parents tend to raise good children and that crappy parents tend to make crappy children. Exceptions to both cases are always possible to be sure, but I would venture a guess that far too many that make too many children to raise well are actually creating serious problems down the line for the societies that have to deal with them. It appears to me to be one of those dilemmas that will never be resolved and that we simply just have to deal with as a society. How long we can continue to deal with it economically, well THAT is the million dollar question. He who feels the respect which is due to others cannot fail to inspire in them regard for himself, while he who feels, and hence manifests, disrespect towards others, especially his inferiors, cannot fail to inspire hatred against himself. When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling Herr Bartlett, your German is good and I hear also your French. Your arms - UP! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 40546062 United States12/27/2017 09:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My wife's mother and her grand kids lost everything in a house fire with no insurance. Very bad situation, low income, no insurance, zero savings etc. I was truly amazed and what I witnessed next. Someone not related to the family started a go fund me at the same time a family member did then a day later a 3rd family member started one for the family. As an outsider looking in ( Im not close to my wife's family for a reason) I witnessed the bad side of people. The family started fighting thinking each of the three who started the GFM would keep the money. A fire is a stressful, horrible time but this family would have been better without go fund me. I think only a total of $1500 was raised and some of those family members were at odds almost a year if not to this day. Im not a fan of Go Fund Me... Its just not personal enough or something? |
| cosmicgypsy
User ID: 74619032 United States12/27/2017 09:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SIX children....SIX! Quoting: cosmicgypsy That's a lot of children to take care of, to see that they're fed, housed, and clothes are put on their backs. So what if the parents might have made a mess of their lives....SIX children. Think of the just the children, and you know the answer to your question. Their lives are changed for the very best by the GFM effort. Their lives could've gone down the shitter, and fast. At least they have a fighting chance now.... Well yes, BUT. One of the most important lessons that was driven into our psyches when we were growing up was that working hard was the best way to get "ahead". I am not saying that the kids will learn from this that sitting around and asking for handouts is better than doing that, but I believe that the possibility of such a poor lesson being taken from this does in fact exist. Another issue is that the grandfather seems to have believed that not paying a mortgage that he voluntarily agreed to enter into was better than selling the house before foreclosure took place. I would argue that when a society gets to a point where it rewards bad behavior and penalizes good behavior, bad behavior will quickly become the rule of the day. Am I wrong? Well, I think perhaps you're more analytical than I am about it. For me it's about the kids being taken care of....would they have been better served to pay the price of the elder, and to be homeless? You see, but that's how my mind works. I certainly do hope for all of their sake's that the father makes sure the kids are raised with better values than to take advantage...but I also don't think anyone was taken advantage of, not in this case. I'm a big softie when it comes to the wee ones, my friend. I will always look to their welfare before anything else. As far as GFM and the likes taking the place of the welfare system: No, I don't think that will ever happen. We do pay taxes for a reason, and welfare is part of the reason. Just as many people who take advantage of the system will take advantage of some other system like GFM. What the welfare system needs is a good cracking on its head so that those who take advantage can, or more so WILL, no longer be able to/want to take advantage. Heh, just tell serial welfare mothers that the government will no longer pay benefits for more than two children, and see how many women stop spitting babies out once a year. Heh. Yes I am perhaps too logical and that does not go over well with the general public. I have found in my day that good parents tend to raise good children and that crappy parents tend to make crappy children. Exceptions to both cases are always possible to be sure, but I would venture a guess that far too many that make too many children to raise well are actually creating serious problems down the line for the societies that have to deal with them. It appears to me to be one of those dilemmas that will never be resolved and that we simply just have to deal with as a society. How long we can continue to deal with it economically, well THAT is the million dollar question. Which is why I think the welfare system needs a good cracking on its head. There are WAY too many people taking advantage. Heh, and perhaps your logical nature balances out my softie nature.... You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
| Black Knight
(OP) User ID: 66996549 United States12/27/2017 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Black Knight Well yes, BUT. One of the most important lessons that was driven into our psyches when we were growing up was that working hard was the best way to get "ahead". I am not saying that the kids will learn from this that sitting around and asking for handouts is better than doing that, but I believe that the possibility of such a poor lesson being taken from this does in fact exist. Another issue is that the grandfather seems to have believed that not paying a mortgage that he voluntarily agreed to enter into was better than selling the house before foreclosure took place. I would argue that when a society gets to a point where it rewards bad behavior and penalizes good behavior, bad behavior will quickly become the rule of the day. Am I wrong? Well, I think perhaps you're more analytical than I am about it. For me it's about the kids being taken care of....would they have been better served to pay the price of the elder, and to be homeless? You see, but that's how my mind works. I certainly do hope for all of their sake's that the father makes sure the kids are raised with better values than to take advantage...but I also don't think anyone was taken advantage of, not in this case. I'm a big softie when it comes to the wee ones, my friend. I will always look to their welfare before anything else. As far as GFM and the likes taking the place of the welfare system: No, I don't think that will ever happen. We do pay taxes for a reason, and welfare is part of the reason. Just as many people who take advantage of the system will take advantage of some other system like GFM. What the welfare system needs is a good cracking on its head so that those who take advantage can, or more so WILL, no longer be able to/want to take advantage. Heh, just tell serial welfare mothers that the government will no longer pay benefits for more than two children, and see how many women stop spitting babies out once a year. Heh. Yes I am perhaps too logical and that does not go over well with the general public. I have found in my day that good parents tend to raise good children and that crappy parents tend to make crappy children. Exceptions to both cases are always possible to be sure, but I would venture a guess that far too many that make too many children to raise well are actually creating serious problems down the line for the societies that have to deal with them. It appears to me to be one of those dilemmas that will never be resolved and that we simply just have to deal with as a society. How long we can continue to deal with it economically, well THAT is the million dollar question. Which is why I think the welfare system needs a good cracking on its head. There are WAY too many people taking advantage. Heh, and perhaps your logical nature balances out my softie nature.... Well I for one can and could not ever understand why the system could not include provisions to keep drug abusers more at check or at least allow for the state to be able to derive some form of value through labor of any kind from those who receive it. He who feels the respect which is due to others cannot fail to inspire in them regard for himself, while he who feels, and hence manifests, disrespect towards others, especially his inferiors, cannot fail to inspire hatred against himself. When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling Herr Bartlett, your German is good and I hear also your French. Your arms - UP! |
