Tesla proves wireless signals don't fly thru space, but propagate thru the earth | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59048853 Czechia 12/23/2017 08:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | another good paragraph from his article: "The Hertz wave system is in many respects the very opposite of this. To explain it by analogy, the piston of the pump is assumed to vibrate to and fro at a terrific rate and the orifice thru which the fluid passes in and out of the cylinder is reduced to a small hole. There is scarcely any movement of the fluid and almost the whole work performed results in the production of radiant heat, of which an infinitesimal part is recovered in a remote locality. However incredible, it is true that the minds of some of the ablest experts have been from the beginning, and still are, obsest by this monstrous idea, and so it comes that the true wireless art, to which I laid the foundation in 1893, has been retarded in its development for twenty years. This is the reason why the “statics” have proved unconquerable, why the wireless shares are of little value and why the Government has been compelled to interfere." |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59048853 Czechia 12/23/2017 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and in his last paragraph, how this could be used for free energy, very very sad indeed. "Some experts, whom I have credited with better knowledge, have for years contended that my proposals to transmit power without wires are sheer nonsense but I note that they are growing more cautious every day. The latest objection to my system is found in the cheapness of gasoline. These men labor under the impression that the energy flows in all directions and that, therefore, only a minute amount can be recovered in any individual receiver. But this is far from being so. The power is conveyed in only one direction, from the transmitter to the receiver, and none of it is lost elsewhere. It is perfectly practicable to recover at any point of the globe energy enough for driving an airplane, or a pleasure boat or for lighting a dwelling. I am especially sanguine in regard to the lighting of isolated places and believe that a more economical and convenient method can hardly be devised. The future will show whether my foresight is as accurate now as it has proved heretofore." |
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VigilantTexan
User ID: 72775181 United States 12/23/2017 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What i dont understand is how a guy back in those old days of no electronics could figure this out yet today with every kind on semi conductor electronics, cant figure it out. The closest thing we have to trsnmit electricty wirelessly is the samsung charger. |
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Sungaze_At_Dawn
User ID: 75843661 Canada 12/23/2017 09:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wonder how much earth can take of the abuse she's enduring? The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59048853 Czechia 12/23/2017 09:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Isn't it? Here's the captioning under his Figure 7 that I meant to include. "The Theory Has Been Seriously Advanced and Taught that the Radio Ether Wawe Oscillations Pass Around the Earth by Successive Reflections, as Here Shown. The Efficiency of Such a Reflector Cannot be more than 25 Per Cent; the Amount of Energy Recoverable is a 12.000-mile Transmission being but One Hundred and Fifteen Billionth Part of One Watt, with 1.000 Kilowatts at the Transmitter." |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59048853 Czechia 12/23/2017 09:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What i dont understand is how a guy back in those old days of no electronics could figure this out yet today with every kind on semi conductor electronics, cant figure it out. The closest thing we have to trsnmit electricty wirelessly is the samsung charger. Quoting: VigilantTexan Imo it takes someone who can think independently of others, a genius of course, and non-governmental or corporation interference. There's lots of cool cats today that could make this work if it weren't for interference. |
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User ID: 74276477 United States 12/23/2017 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What i dont understand is how a guy back in those old days of no electronics could figure this out yet today with every kind on semi conductor electronics, cant figure it out. The closest thing we have to trsnmit electricty wirelessly is the samsung charger. Quoting: VigilantTexan you are so right.. it takes one human, thinking. a thousand non-thinking humans with the complicated electronics of today are not Tesla's equal. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73658887 United States 12/23/2017 09:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You got that right about the thousand! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76009401 Waves propagate through all things,we live in an electric univverse. I despise walls of text! yeah God forbid someone today would try and learn something. if you can't read just a little bit of someone the likes of Tesla, you aren't worth the salt your body is made of. |
Lost Pottawatomie
User ID: 71029187 United States 12/23/2017 10:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For long wave and medium wave frequencies, which was the only radio considered at that time, it is true that propagation occurs through the earth, just like waves on water. This is where have the "AM" band. Above this range, there is propagation through the air, becoming the primary mode above 3 megahertz. By the time we reach a 1 meter wavelength at 100 MHz (the range used by FM), it is entirely line-of-sight, just like light. Giwani-Mek Translates as: Wandering Beaver Nothing shall be so certain as to permit confusion |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59048853 Czechia 12/23/2017 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For long wave and medium wave frequencies, which was the only radio considered at that time, it is true that propagation occurs through the earth, just like waves on water. This is where have the "AM" band. Above this range, there is propagation through the air, becoming the primary mode above 3 megahertz. Quoting: Lost Pottawatomie By the time we reach a 1 meter wavelength at 100 MHz (the range used by FM), it is entirely line-of-sight, just like light. I'm sure Tesla had no understanding at all of all the range of frequencies of the EM spectrum. Just that he initiated the technology for things like cell phones and such, right? |
Lost Pottawatomie
User ID: 71029187 United States 12/23/2017 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wavelengths were well understood at that time, but it was just very hard to create continuous wave oscillations with the equipment of the day. It was not until the early 1930s that higher frequencies like 10 meter wavelength became practical. If we had used Tesla's system for transmitting power, we probably would not have radio as we know it today. The AM band relies totally on groundwave propagation in daytime. At night, when the ionization of the atmosphere by the sun stops, then those wavelengths can bounce and skip off the ionosphere. Giwani-Mek Translates as: Wandering Beaver Nothing shall be so certain as to permit confusion |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75862167 Canada 12/23/2017 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that's the best analogy for his power transmission scheme FIG 10 Fig. 10. — Tesla's World-Wide Wireless Transmission of Electrical Signals, As Well As Light and Power, Is Here Illustrated in Theory, Analogy and Realization. Tesla's Experiments With 100 Foot Discharges At Potentials of Millions of Volts Have Demonstrated That the Hertz Warn Are Infinitesimal In Effect and Unrecoverable: the Recoverable Ground Waves of Tesla Fly "Thru the Earth". Radio Engineers Are Gradually Beginning to See the Light and That the Laws of Propagation Laid Down by Tesla Over a Quarter of a Century Ago Form the Real and True Basis of All Wireless Transmission To- Day. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36283791 United States 12/23/2017 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What i dont understand is how a guy back in those old days of no electronics could figure this out yet today with every kind on semi conductor electronics, cant figure it out. The closest thing we have to trsnmit electricty wirelessly is the samsung charger. Quoting: VigilantTexan you are so right.. it takes one human, thinking. a thousand non-thinking humans with the complicated electronics of today are not Tesla's equal. Derp |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59048853 Czechia 12/23/2017 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wavelengths were well understood at that time, but it was just very hard to create continuous wave oscillations with the equipment of the day. Quoting: Lost Pottawatomie It was not until the early 1930s that higher frequencies like 10 meter wavelength became practical. If we had used Tesla's system for transmitting power, we probably would not have radio as we know it today. The AM band relies totally on groundwave propagation in daytime. At night, when the ionization of the atmosphere by the sun stops, then those wavelengths can bounce and skip off the ionosphere. I've always thought so, especially listening to AM bands on my radio at night when it can sometimes pick up signals from all over the world. But then again, I've never tried to listen to the radio on AM other than nighttime. But at least you have the balls to argue with Tesla. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59048853 Czechia 12/23/2017 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that's the best analogy for his power transmission scheme Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75862167 FIG 10 Fig. 10. — Tesla's World-Wide Wireless Transmission of Electrical Signals, As Well As Light and Power, Is Here Illustrated in Theory, Analogy and Realization. Tesla's Experiments With 100 Foot Discharges At Potentials of Millions of Volts Have Demonstrated That the Hertz Warn Are Infinitesimal In Effect and Unrecoverable: the Recoverable Ground Waves of Tesla Fly "Thru the Earth". Radio Engineers Are Gradually Beginning to See the Light and That the Laws of Propagation Laid Down by Tesla Over a Quarter of a Century Ago Form the Real and True Basis of All Wireless Transmission To- Day. yep proving that even the electrical engineers who are supposed to know how things really work, don't really. it's like predicting the orbit of a planet using the theory of relativity or conventional Newtonian Law. By necessity, both can't be right so one must be wrong. And in this case, both are wrong, but still yield comparative results. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75980534 United States 12/23/2017 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What i dont understand is how a guy back in those old days of no electronics could figure this out yet today with every kind on semi conductor electronics, cant figure it out. The closest thing we have to trsnmit electricty wirelessly is the samsung charger. Quoting: VigilantTexan Wrong. 100% wrong. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75705621 Canada 12/23/2017 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is important to note that this is the Wireless that Tesla perfected and studied, a man named Ernts Alexanderson advanced upon Tesla's Transmission System of Wireless, but unfortunately it has all been lost to the dust bin of time and we now have the Hertzian/Marconi method of transmission of wireless(which is merely a secondary reaction to Tesla's Wireless, ie longitudinal compression's and rarefaction's of the ether through the earth) I would also like to point out that we now have the ability to generate millions times more potential of energy than in Tesla's time, so I really do wonder how the earth would be affected now if we were to implement Tesla's Wireless. Cheers. |
Lost Pottawatomie
User ID: 71009084 United States 12/23/2017 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wavelengths were well understood at that time, but it was just very hard to create continuous wave oscillations with the equipment of the day. Quoting: Lost Pottawatomie It was not until the early 1930s that higher frequencies like 10 meter wavelength became practical. If we had used Tesla's system for transmitting power, we probably would not have radio as we know it today. The AM band relies totally on groundwave propagation in daytime. At night, when the ionization of the atmosphere by the sun stops, then those wavelengths can bounce and skip off the ionosphere. I've always thought so, especially listening to AM bands on my radio at night when it can sometimes pick up signals from all over the world. But then again, I've never tried to listen to the radio on AM other than nighttime. But at least you have the balls to argue with Tesla. I wouldn't dare argue with Tesla; I am agreeing with him. It's just that nobody then dreamed of radio as we know and use it today. "Signals" could surely be sent using his designs, but we couldn't have a dial full of AM stations spaced out every 10 kHz. More like one station to listen to everywhere on the planet, until going up to shorter waves that do propagate thru the air. Giwani-Mek Translates as: Wandering Beaver Nothing shall be so certain as to permit confusion |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59048853 Czechia 12/23/2017 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is important to note that this is the Wireless that Tesla perfected and studied, a man named Ernts Alexanderson advanced upon Tesla's Transmission System of Wireless, but unfortunately it has all been lost to the dust bin of time and we now have the Hertzian/Marconi method of transmission of wireless(which is merely a secondary reaction to Tesla's Wireless, ie longitudinal compression's and rarefaction's of the ether through the earth) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75705621 I would also like to point out that we now have the ability to generate millions times more potential of energy than in Tesla's time, so I really do wonder how the earth would be affected now if we were to implement Tesla's Wireless. Cheers. I would hope you'd have the time to contribute more of what you know to this thread. I can't imagine how we have the capability to generate more infinite energy than infinite energy that Tesla could tap into, except that he was shut down by the gov't for building I think what they dubbed a death ray so they could do so. Of course, confiscating all his papers in the process. (And I'm also sure they released all of them recently too.) |
Lost Pottawatomie
User ID: 71009084 United States 12/23/2017 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In fact, we don't have to generate at all. We need merely build a coil that is reasonant at the Schumann frequency, and then set it into oscillation, at which point the earth will sustain the oscillation. Then we couple (by proximity), a secondary coil which can be tuned to the same frequency, and rectify the AC into DC in the usual manner. I believe the problem then becomes one of too much power, and being hard to regulate before things overheat and/or catch fire, etc. Giwani-Mek Translates as: Wandering Beaver Nothing shall be so certain as to permit confusion |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59048853 Czechia 12/23/2017 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In fact, we don't have to generate at all. Quoting: Lost Pottawatomie We need merely build a coil that is reasonant at the Schumann frequency, and then set it into oscillation, at which point the earth will sustain the oscillation. Then we couple (by proximity), a secondary coil which can be tuned to the same frequency, and rectify the AC into DC in the usual manner. I believe the problem then becomes one of too much power, and being hard to regulate before things overheat and/or catch fire, etc. nice. I always thought Tesla was trying to tap into the potential of all the electricity of the ionosphere. the SR is a low frequency oscillation, but it's been increasing reportedly lately, but I know that with any mechanical strain on a system, there's electricity produced (piezoelectric effect). Is that your understanding? |
DuckNCover
User ID: 46935188 United States 12/23/2017 12:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For long wave and medium wave frequencies, which was the only radio considered at that time, it is true that propagation occurs through the earth, just like waves on water. This is where have the "AM" band. Above this range, there is propagation through the air, becoming the primary mode above 3 megahertz. Quoting: Lost Pottawatomie By the time we reach a 1 meter wavelength at 100 MHz (the range used by FM), it is entirely line-of-sight, just like light. You are correct. |
Lost Pottawatomie
User ID: 71031625 United States 12/23/2017 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In fact, we don't have to generate at all. Quoting: Lost Pottawatomie We need merely build a coil that is reasonant at the Schumann frequency, and then set it into oscillation, at which point the earth will sustain the oscillation. Then we couple (by proximity), a secondary coil which can be tuned to the same frequency, and rectify the AC into DC in the usual manner. I believe the problem then becomes one of too much power, and being hard to regulate before things overheat and/or catch fire, etc. nice. I always thought Tesla was trying to tap into the potential of all the electricity of the ionosphere. the SR is a low frequency oscillation, but it's been increasing reportedly lately, but I know that with any mechanical strain on a system, there's electricity produced (piezoelectric effect). Is that your understanding? Only some things generate electricity by piezo effect. But it's hard to harness much power that way. The other problem with harnessing the Schumann frequency is those nasty little earthquakes. But I believe Tesla's car that he drove around in Colorado used that method. He did have to "shock" it into reasonace somehow, after which the power was sustained by the earth. Giwani-Mek Translates as: Wandering Beaver Nothing shall be so certain as to permit confusion |