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The Rapture is an unknowable date (no man knows the day or the hour) and the Second Coming is a knowable date (1290 days after the Abomination of Desolation). A date can't be knowable and unknowable at the same time, therefore they must be seperate events.
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Matthew 24 says you’re wrong.
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yes 2 separate events. The rapture/resurrection event occurs shortly before the unveiling of the anichrist and the official beginning of the 7 year Tribulation period.

The second coming occurs at the end of the 7 year tribulation period.
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1 Thessalonians 4 says your wrong.
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The Rapture is an unknowable date (no man knows the day or the hour) and the Second Coming is a knowable date (1290 days after the Abomination of Desolation). A date can't be knowable and unknowable at the same time, therefore they must be seperate events.
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You are 100% correct.

"No rapture" attacks on your thread, forthcoming. lol.
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Not one place in the Bible does it ever state that there will be a 7 year tribulation. Not even one place.

Daniel 9:27 says the Messiah will make a firm covenant one week (7 years). And Jesus already did that.

He had a 3 1/2 year ministry and was cut off in the middle of the 7 years. In AD 67, Rome began the 3 1/2 siege of Jerusalem and fulfilled the Abomination of Desolation on Aug. 3, AD 70.

You look to the future to find things that happened 2000 years ago.

Dispensational Premillennialism is a false doctrine spawned by the Jesuits to take attention off of Constantinian Roman Catholicism as the 2nd beast of Revelation 13.
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Not one place in the Bible does it ever state that there will be a 7 year tribulation. Not even one place.

Daniel 9:27 says the Messiah will make a firm covenant one week (7 years). And Jesus already did that.

He had a 3 1/2 year ministry and was cut off in the middle of the 7 years. 40 years later Roman began the 3 1/2 siege of Jerusalem and fulfilled the Abomination of Desolation on Aug. 3, AD 70.

You look to the future to find things that happened 2000 years ago.


Dispensational Premillennialism is a false doctrine spawned by the Jesuits to take attention off of Constantinian Roman Catholicism as the 2nd beast of Revelation 13.
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false. futurism is false doctrine.
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And you also have to consider the nature of Jesus. The Church is also the Bride of Christ. Jesus will not beat up his bride before he marries her.
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Not one place in the Bible does it ever state that there will be a 7 year tribulation. Not even one place.

Daniel 9:27 says the Messiah will make a firm covenant one week (7 years). And Jesus already did that.

He had a 3 1/2 year ministry and was cut off in the middle of the 7 years. 40 years later Roman began the 3 1/2 siege of Jerusalem and fulfilled the Abomination of Desolation on Aug. 3, AD 70.

You look to the future to find things that happened 2000 years ago.


Dispensational Premillennialism is a false doctrine spawned by the Jesuits to take attention off of Constantinian Roman Catholicism as the 2nd beast of Revelation 13.
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false. futurism is false doctrine.
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That's what I just wrote.

Can you read?
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mexgal As they say in Mexico, 'things happen when they happen.
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The Rapture is an unknowable date (no man knows the day or the hour) and the Second Coming is a knowable date (1290 days after the Abomination of Desolation). A date can't be knowable and unknowable at the same time, therefore they must be seperate events.
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Just how many people are raptured then because we know the 144,000 from Israel return with Christ and we know the great multitude no one can count go through tribulation so who then leaves in the rapture?
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yes 2 separate events. The rapture/resurrection event occurs shortly before the unveiling of the anichrist and the official beginning of the 7 year Tribulation period.

The second coming occurs at the end of the 7 year tribulation period.
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2 thess 4 says you’re wrong -

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
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Duh
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And you also have to consider the nature of Jesus. The Church is also the Bride of Christ. Jesus will not beat up his bride before he marries her.
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The raptured church is more precious to Christ then the 144,000 first fruits of Israel that return with Christ? I would think a husband would want his bride with him all the time.

The 144,000 of Israel are the bride. Everyone else is most probably the friends of the bridegroom and the wedding guests.
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The Rapture is an unknowable date (no man knows the day or the hour) and the Second Coming is a knowable date (1290 days after the Abomination of Desolation). A date can't be knowable and unknowable at the same time, therefore they must be seperate events.
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The Rapture may have even come and gone already. Check out this article about the 'Great Leonid meteor Shower of 1833' [link to www.richmond-dailynews.com (secure)]

Maybe the Rapture is something that already happened....
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1 Thessalonians 4 says your wrong.
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Are you sure you cited the right verse? It doesn't say anything about end time events.
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Not one place in the Bible does it ever state that there will be a 7 year tribulation. Not even one place.

Daniel 9:27 says the Messiah will make a firm covenant one week (7 years). And Jesus already did that.

He had a 3 1/2 year ministry and was cut off in the middle of the 7 years. In AD 67, Rome began the 3 1/2 siege of Jerusalem and fulfilled the Abomination of Desolation on Aug. 3, AD 70.

You look to the future to find things that happened 2000 years ago.

Dispensational Premillennialism is a false doctrine spawned by the Jesuits to take attention off of Constantinian Roman Catholicism as the 2nd beast of Revelation 13.
 Quoting: EleventhHour



So then, if we are appointed to wrath that would make Jesus a wife beater right?
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1 Thessalonians 4 says your wrong.
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Are you sure you cited the right verse? It doesn't say anything about end time events.
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1Th 5:4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
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And you also have to consider the nature of Jesus. The Church is also the Bride of Christ. Jesus will not beat up his bride before he marries her.
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So is Christ considered a wife beater when he allowed many Christians to be persecuted and martyred?
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I believe that there will be no pre trib rapture, based on what the bible says in numerous places. This pre trib rapture doctrine, "left behind" stuff is wrong.

I believe the church will go through "Jacobs trouble" ut will be protected somehow by God, as Noah and his family were, and as meschack, shadrac and abendego were protected from the fire, and as Daniel was protected from the lions.

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yes 2 separate events. The rapture/resurrection event occurs shortly before the unveiling of the anichrist and the official beginning of the 7 year Tribulation period.

The second coming occurs at the end of the 7 year tribulation period.
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2 thess 4 says you’re wrong -

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
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it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 2 Thes 2:4
and it speaks about this:

6For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Rom 8

It speaks about rise of MATERIALISM - the greatest enemy of God. Materialism is growing, materialism is a part of atheism but it affects and gulps theists too. It is a state of being and relegated to the realm of Satan.
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And you also have to consider the nature of Jesus. The Church is also the Bride of Christ. Jesus will not beat up his bride before he marries her.
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So is Christ considered a wife beater when he allowed many Christians to be persecuted and martyred?
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Persecution is different than the Tribulation. The source of persecution during the Church Age has been Satan and his world system. The source of the misery during the Tribulation will be God's wrath.
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Not one place in the Bible does it ever state that there will be a 7 year tribulation. Not even one place.

Daniel 9:27 says the Messiah will make a firm covenant one week (7 years). And Jesus already did that.

He had a 3 1/2 year ministry and was cut off in the middle of the 7 years. In AD 67, Rome began the 3 1/2 siege of Jerusalem and fulfilled the Abomination of Desolation on Aug. 3, AD 70.

You look to the future to find things that happened 2000 years ago.

Dispensational Premillennialism is a false doctrine spawned by the Jesuits to take attention off of Constantinian Roman Catholicism as the 2nd beast of Revelation 13.
 Quoting: EleventhHour


Nor does it say there will be a rapture or even a second coming. What will be coming is Nibiru and the day or the hour of Nibiru, also called The Lord by the ancients, is not known.

What do you think the cataclysms are? It is the havoc Nibiru raises as it passes somewhere between the earth and the sun. It will also raise havoc with any nearby planets, causing pole crustal shifts all the way around.
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The Rapture is an unknowable date (no man knows the day or the hour) and the Second Coming is a knowable date (1290 days after the Abomination of Desolation). A date can't be knowable and unknowable at the same time, therefore they must be seperate events.
 Quoting: A Doy


At that time no man knows the day nor hour, still no man know the day nor hour to this day but Jesus goes on to say when you see the abomination of desolation spoken by the prophet Daniel then you can know the day is upon us. We know its about 1260 -1290 days away but when did the abomination actually start? At that time we will know we are in the great tribulation and we know he will be coming back in about "1260 - 1290 days". It will still be nearly impossible to pinpoint the day and hour.

1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

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4 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.

2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;

5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:

6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.

7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

10 And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia: but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;

11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;

12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.



5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

16 Rejoice evermore.

17 Pray without ceasing.

18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

19 Quench not the Spirit.

20 Despise not prophesyings.

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

25 Brethren, pray for us.

26 Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.

27 I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.

28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
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Re: The Rapture and Second Coming are two seperate events.
no... actually they are both the same thing - bullshit
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Indeed 2 separate events, one He "comes in the clouds, come up hither..." (Bema throne resurrection) and the second coming to the Mt. Of Olives for the "Valley of decision."





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