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***UPDATE***MEETING W/ RETIRED USAF, NSA, NASA CYBER SECURITY EXPERT

 
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which are the top 10 cities that will be targeted first.

how many breeches have truly been previously discovered.

will this be a ff?
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stupthrd
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Homebrewed faraday protection.
What actually will work?
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Galium arsenide chips will withstand emp and were being made at foxcon.so somethings will survive.i know because my uncle invented them and owned factory,sold out to TI.
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VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!!!

Should a faraday cage be grounded or not?
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What is the best advice they can give for an average citizen to prepare for an EMP?
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Mentally prepare yourself for the possibility of having to resort to cannibalism.
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Stable edible cooking oil, salt, and appropriate various spices and optional garnishes will be worth their weight in gold, again.

On the positive side, food will come looking for you.
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I am aware that the military uses hardened IC chips both for radiological and emp overload. Most of the Starfish a Prime damage to Hawaii was to
Long line connected devices/one reason was that we had FEW IC controlled systems at the time. Can he give specific estimates as to probable damage to independent non- long line connected systems such as automobiles, battery powered radios not connected to long transmission lines or antennas?
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Non long line succeptability is dependent on any intrinsic sheilding from cases or enclisure and speed of transference to ground.
Energy deposition depends on current strength and absorptive surfaces.
Smaller metallic cased devices simply may survive due to absorbing sublethal doses of induced current to the device.

This is complex time, dose relationship that is dependent on many influencing factor.
its not just boiling hotdogs.
There is no good form of mass management, especially in a country intentianally balkanized and ignorant of reality or consequences There is only prevention or destruction.
There is no plan B without uniformity and wide ranging respect and consensus, not to mention armies of saboteurs, enemy agents and manipulators looking to control, subvert and exterminate by neglevt and deception
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which are the top 10 cities that will be targeted first.

how many breeches have truly been previously discovered.

will this be a ff?
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Emp targets all regions in line of site from the source.
If you bothered paying attention you wouldnt appear stupid now
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VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!!!

Should a faraday cage be grounded or not?
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I believe it depends on the conductance of the shielding material so that it wont generate transcient currents in adjacent, intrashielded intracage spaces.
Put another way thicker and more conductive the less grounding may be necessary due to current absorption or dulutio. but Im not an electrical physicist and anyway the only thing that really matters is actual test results, not assumptions.
best advice is many small well grounded faradays instead of one big one or poorly conductive non grounded one, but thats just a guess after listening to some guys doubletalk claiming to love light while also claiming to be an emp consultant for the moist service.

The other thing commercial outfits do is nested faraday cages which You can ground the outside one and not ground the inner one, or the other way aroundr
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Galium arsenide chips will withstand emp and were being made at foxcon.so somethings will survive.i know because my uncle invented them and owned factory,sold out to TI.
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DO TELL,

do you have a spare Veyron you dont need that you might want to give away on account of it being dusty or color out of fashion??
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I have always thought that the electronic ignitions in post 1988 vehicles would be vulnerable, but recently I read on GLP that Russia did a test and only a small number of vehicles were affected.

What is the expected affect on vehicles and general transportation?
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If you turn off the grid during a solar flate event the grid will not be destroyed.

Is the same true for an emp?
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Assume worst case EMP. How long to bring the grid back up?
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Q : Will ground potential rise negate the protective effects of movs,gas tubes, and other earth connected voltage shunting devices?
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I don't know if this questions has been asked already. It's late here.

My question if this threat is real has been know for many years (and from what I've read would only cost 2 billion) then why hasn't the grid already been protected?

Why wait?

Last Edited by Firestone on 10/26/2017 11:48 PM
As Mulder once said, "the truth is out there".

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What is the projected death toll from this event? Short term and long term?
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Could this be the real reason why the elite have built underground bunkers?
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We use our old microwave ovens as Faraday cages for our electronics, emergency radio and walkie talkies. Lap top computers will fit too along with the back-up drive.
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Our grid is on the Internet? really?
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Will shooting down an ICBM cause an EMP if at target altitude?

What is a cost effective source of shielding for a house or room? How would he protect his tronics?

What's on the dark side of the moon?
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Why cant the use produce transformers, why do they have to be sourced from china?
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Why cant the USA*
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Chinesse dont have a dole, you work cheap or starve, and everyone competes for any job in a owners market, nit to mention the prisonnslave factory system..
American lawyers have made dirty industries uncomoetitive.
These transformers are very specialized and are simply much cheaper to import than to make once all the peripheral issues are taken into consideration.
Yeah, they could be made but the infrastructure cost would be relatively prohibitive.
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Do our electrical companies keep a supply of transformers to replace whole grid. Of course, guess their want be vehicles, or gas to transport workers even if we had all needed supplies.
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My questions have already been asked by others in the thread. Waiting for the answers. Thanks OP hf
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which are the top 10 cities that will be targeted first.

how many breeches have truly been previously discovered.

will this be a ff?
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From 1 to 3 nukes detonated at a 300 mile elevation in space over the USA (and spread out) will blanket the entire CONUS with HEMP.

In essence, ALL CONUS cities would be targeted simultaneously. AK and HI would likely get a pass, unless Russia was doing the nuking. They have enough to go around.
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Q1.
With increased cyber security and offensive capabilities for Governments, how can an individual or business secure themselves? it seems everything is compromised, hardware vendors build in backdoors, and then the software on top of that, even some forms of encryption are compromised- how can you have a chain of trust when even the hardware is compromised.


Q2.
What can he tell us about reports of some malware being able to jump "air gaps"?


Q3. How big of a deal is software defined radio?


Thank you for your service.
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I was speaking with a guy in the NSA. He said that SDR's are still in a testing phase but are becoming a very useful tool for identifying and tracking things.
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I am very surprised no one has a serious question for him yet.
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I have a similar background and worked with SCADA networks (which control power grids). I also worked with nuclear physicists, the kind that are familiar with nuclear weapons.

The effects of a nuclear EMP on our power grid are greatly exaggerated. A Carrington Event (solar storm) is more plausible in taking out power grids.

Our national power grid and other critical infrastructures are more susceptible to a cyber attack than EMP.
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Q1.
With increased cyber security and offensive capabilities for Governments, how can an individual or business secure themselves? it seems everything is compromised, hardware vendors build in backdoors, and then the software on top of that, even some forms of encryption are compromised- how can you have a chain of trust when even the hardware is compromised.


Q2.
What can he tell us about reports of some malware being able to jump "air gaps"?


Q3. How big of a deal is software defined radio?


Thank you for your service.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75754761


I was speaking with a guy in the NSA. He said that SDR's are still in a testing phase but are becoming a very useful tool for identifying and tracking things.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75496707


Q1: NSA has standard called Tempest against EMP and eavesdropping from RFI/EMI signals for SCIF's (Sensitive Compartmentalized Information Facility). This is where TS/SCI information is kept. You need TS Security Clearance and proper access ("read in" to project) to enter SCIF's.

Q2: Malware can already jump "airgaps". BT (Blue Tooth) and WiFI (WPA/WPA2) already have vulnerabilities. Plus the weakest link in any security is social engineering and human stupidity.

Q3: SDR's are not in testing phase. I've had working prototypes for over 10 years. Anyone can buy consumner USB SDR's. How do you explain this?

[link to www.websdr.org]

Last Edited by Agent MIB on 10/27/2017 02:34 AM
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Good thread.

bump

for later reading.
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Once the EMP goes off and the internet goes down, will be the time when everybody’s panties go into a bunch. gaah
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Once the EMP goes off and the internet goes down, will be the time when everybody’s panties go into a bunch. gaah
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The Internet (originally called DARPAnet) is designed specifically to be resilient against such scenarios. Some areas may suffer outages, but globally it will still function. However, sorry to inform the GLPers their porn sites aren't on listed among critical sites.
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The real bugger with a HEMP attack vs. the USA will be the ~99+ damaged nuclear reactors and spent fuel cooling pools around the USA that will melt down within about ~2 weeks or less after losing grid power and backup generators for cooling due to unmitigated decay heat, despite being SCRAM'd.

So even if you live outside of the zombie-infested sanctuary cities, you'll still have to deal with potentially many dozens of new Fukushimas around the country that will irradiate and contaminate everything a few hundred miles downwind from them.


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