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WAIT WHAT??? EVOLUTION OCCURS IN DECADES NOT MILLENIA?! British birds evolve bigger beaks to use garden feeders...?!

 
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WAIT WHAT??? EVOLUTION OCCURS IN DECADES NOT MILLENIA?! British birds evolve bigger beaks to use garden feeders...?!
Okay, I'm really confused now..

(This topic was initially posted by Face Palmer, but I wanna repost it with some questions of my own...)

According to a recent report published in the US journal 'Science,' the reason some birds in Britain have evolved bigger beaks over the past 40 years may be down to the country’s enthusiasm for feeding them in their gardens.

Researchers compared beak length among great tits in Britain and the Netherlands, where bird feeders are less common.

“Between the 1970s and the present day, beak length has got longer among the British birds. That’s a really short time period in which to see this sort of difference emerging,” said study co-author Jon Slate, professor in the department of animal and plant sciences at the University of Sheffield.

“We now know that this increase in beak length, and the difference in beak length between birds in Britain and mainland Europe, is down to genes that have evolved by natural selection.”

[link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]

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Wow...

So we are now being told that evolution does not take MILLENIA but occurs just over a few DECADES ???

Doesn't make one bit of sense to me...

* Why haven't White Australians, who have been living in Australia since the 1700s, not developed brown skin colour or curly hair...?

* Why haven't European Africans (ie those here since the 1940s and earlier) not developed a much lighter skin tone...?

* Why haven't gorillas, living in cages and constantly interacting with humans over the past 200 years, not evolved vocal chords just to at least say a few useful words like "food" or "drink"

... the list is more or less endless...

None of it makes sense to me. Or maybe evolution occurs faster in some species than it does in others...?
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Re: WAIT WHAT??? EVOLUTION OCCURS IN DECADES NOT MILLENIA?! British birds evolve bigger beaks to use garden feeders...?!
Makes perfect sense, longer beaks facilitated access to more food, thus birds with longer beaks had more chance to produce offspring, therefore the population skewed to favouring longer beaks over 100s of generations.
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Re: WAIT WHAT??? EVOLUTION OCCURS IN DECADES NOT MILLENIA?! British birds evolve bigger beaks to use garden feeders...?!
Makes perfect sense, longer beaks facilitated access to more food, thus birds with longer beaks had more chance to produce offspring, therefore the population skewed to favouring longer beaks over 100s of generations.
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So all the parent birds that had not yet evolved longer beaks died, right?

Indeed the theory of death makes perfect sense.
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Re: WAIT WHAT??? EVOLUTION OCCURS IN DECADES NOT MILLENIA?! British birds evolve bigger beaks to use garden feeders...?!
Why are people so stupid? I really don't understand.

Adaptation is NOT evolutions. jeez
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Re: WAIT WHAT??? EVOLUTION OCCURS IN DECADES NOT MILLENIA?! British birds evolve bigger beaks to use garden feeders...?!
Why are people so stupid? I really don't understand.

Adaptation is NOT evolutions. jeez
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hesright
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Re: WAIT WHAT??? EVOLUTION OCCURS IN DECADES NOT MILLENIA?! British birds evolve bigger beaks to use garden feeders...?!
Makes perfect sense, longer beaks facilitated access to more food, thus birds with longer beaks had more chance to produce offspring, therefore the population skewed to favouring longer beaks over 100s of generations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17993058


So all the parent birds that had not yet evolved longer beaks died, right?

Indeed the theory of death makes perfect sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73269883


Also the time for a bird to have offspring is quite short so 40 years can be 40 generations. Some "extinction events" maybe happened and birds with access to food were the only one to survive.
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Re: WAIT WHAT??? EVOLUTION OCCURS IN DECADES NOT MILLENIA?! British birds evolve bigger beaks to use garden feeders...?!
it was more like 0,01 mm...heard about it on the radio
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Re: WAIT WHAT??? EVOLUTION OCCURS IN DECADES NOT MILLENIA?! British birds evolve bigger beaks to use garden feeders...?!
Some can occur even faster but not things like brain development, etc. Some things take thousands of years to change.

Two tall parents having an even taller son is a form of "evolution." A bird with a better beak for getting food would be stronger and reproduce more like himself. etc. Common sense.





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