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CrazyMama73
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69758531 United States 10/14/2017 10:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whom ever may have read this book. What are your thoughts on it. Does it seem realistic... Are the percentages of dead accurate?? Quoting: CrazyMama73 Do you believe it will be bleaker than that outcome... Why was there never any mention about the Power Plants going down over the course of the year?? Are people truly that stupid with how everything has been going on for the last ten years, for them to not feel they need to prep in some remote way to help prepare themselves?? I find it eerily coming close to this same scenario. Reality though in my opinion is that if North Korea drops the unwelcome visit with an EMP that it would happen in the winter time when things for North America are at their weakest. Growing season will suck.. Unless you have seasoned wood, and a stove, you would be fucked warming your home.. Your thoughts? Everything you said X 100 more. Depending on how effective the bomb was/is/could be, will determine the severity to the US. Also your proximity to the detonation, your preps and skill set, and assets. Be Well Citizen :Smiley: |
CrazyMama73
(OP) User ID: 75542102 Canada 10/14/2017 11:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So lets discuss, what did you believe was unrealistic in that story.. What do you believe would be the best defence?? Being along after an EMP has its benefits if you are well versed in Bushcraft, Wild Plants, trapping and being a fucking caveman for a year. You would have to rely on others at some point. |
SamReed
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Frumpelstiltskin
User ID: 74690900 United States 09/07/2018 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just read through it and what's amazing to me is how badly it's written. Forstchen is just an atrocious writer. He makes mistakes on every page, he has his characters say and do stupid things, his word selection is poor, it's just awful. Quoting: SamReed And yet he's coauthored multiple books with Newt Gingrich. How? He's terrible. Diction is the word you're looking for, and you should never start a sentence with "and". Just sayin'. --'-,{@ |
Deplorable Zenobia
User ID: 76890061 United States 09/07/2018 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not the best writer by far but the most realistic scenario weaver. He's over here near Asheville, where he set his stories (2 books, this one and One Year After). Even if not a FF event, our Sun can throw a hissy fit and fry us just like the Carrington Event. And it will not be pretty. And thought struggles against the results, trying to avoid those unpleasant results while keeping on with that way of thinking. That is what I call 'sustained incoherence.' ...David Bohm “How, O Zenobia, hast thou dared to insult Roman emperors?” ...Aurelian, 44th Emperor of the Roman Empire |
SamReed
User ID: 5458196 United States 09/07/2018 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just read through it and what's amazing to me is how badly it's written. Forstchen is just an atrocious writer. He makes mistakes on every page, he has his characters say and do stupid things, his word selection is poor, it's just awful. Quoting: SamReed And yet he's coauthored multiple books with Newt Gingrich. How? He's terrible. Diction is the word you're looking for, and you should never start a sentence with "and". Just sayin'. Even I can write better than Forstchen and he's had dozens of crappy books published as a professional. Mr PhD doesn't even know the contraction "should've." He actually spells it "should of." |
Chief Big Wampum Nincompoop
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wisconsin
User ID: 76911072 United States 09/07/2018 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . ... I had to skip those parts where he wrote about cannibalism!!!! ... ugh! ... . . Our family celebrates The Lord's Feasts: [link to www.grafted-promise.net] Fools and the dead don't change their minds. Fools won't and the dead can't. When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time. |
SamReed
User ID: 5458196 United States 09/07/2018 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | EMP is theoretical and the damage is limited to a small area, even with the amplifier effects in the atmosphere ( 10x10 miles). Only the most advanced countries would be able to construct an EMP that worked. Quoting: Chief Big Wampum Nincompoop Ok, EMP is not theoretical, it's been well studied by the military even decades ago as part of our live atomic bomb testing. The effects are understood and devastating. There are EMP devices specifically made to deliver maximum circuit-busting damage over as wide an area as possible. North Korea probably has two of these devices attached to satellites orbiting directly over the USA daily and if one was deployed it would destroy electronics far beyond 10 miles. It would be detonated in outer space and affect the entire US. Last Edited by SamReed on 09/07/2018 05:49 PM |
Theobromine The Deplorable
User ID: 19876247 United States 09/07/2018 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just read through it and what's amazing to me is how badly it's written. Forstchen is just an atrocious writer. He makes mistakes on every page, he has his characters say and do stupid things, his word selection is poor, it's just awful. Quoting: SamReed And yet he's coauthored multiple books with Newt Gingrich. How? He's terrible. It was difficult to read being a grammar and spelling NAZI at times myself (not perfect -I force myself to leave some mistakes just to avoid OCD about spelling) I read it aloud to a friend recuperating from surgery - very exciting and quite graphic. Things they got correct: Anyone dependent on insulin is DEAD...or on any other prescription drug that temporarily prolongs life Parents and family will use ANY means to "persuade, trade or bully' someone into getting it or ANYTHING the children need Naive people will be in great danger...and never know it until it could be too late...do NOT TRUST ANY strangers Those with skills will rise to the top of the food chain Groups will form that use force and anyone with training may be allied with FORCE...appreciate the good guys...realize everyone is acting on instinct Have or form a group to defend what you have...your STREET, NEIGHBORHOOD or TOWN From the Jeremiah and Jericho series - There is always a group bigger and badder and you had better be READY...put aside petty issues and join forces and help all those you can -they will become your group. BUILD SKILLS and Choose LEADERSHIP very carefully "What are you helping with all this helping?" Buddhist saying |
Deplorable Zenobia
User ID: 76890061 United States 09/07/2018 05:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most important take away from Forstchen's books is BE PREPARED for anything. And don't take anything for granted b/c one day you might wake up to find yourself thrown 200 yrs back w/out technology. I feel so bad for parents w/ kids who will go into a meltdown w/in first 24 hrs of no electricity, no McD's Heaven help us all.... Last Edited by Deplorable Zenobia on 09/07/2018 05:50 PM And thought struggles against the results, trying to avoid those unpleasant results while keeping on with that way of thinking. That is what I call 'sustained incoherence.' ...David Bohm “How, O Zenobia, hast thou dared to insult Roman emperors?” ...Aurelian, 44th Emperor of the Roman Empire |
HanukPiChuCha
User ID: 72061105 United States 09/07/2018 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An absolute classic masterpiece of dystopian fiction, rivaled only by Matt Bracken's trilogy. The terrifying part is it can really happen. Forchsten captures brilliantly people's initial eye-rolling, lackadasical bbq, followed shortly by queus for food, and sadness. The misery and suffering is captured masterfully, and I think the saddest thing I ever read besides Watership Down, was the protagonist's daughter reminding him Rabs(her stuffed rabbit) loves him too, right before she dies. If you haven't read "Day Of Wrath" by Forchsten, you are missing out. EWWWWW! |
SamReed
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PixieCat
User ID: 76458278 United States 09/07/2018 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read it a long time ago and thought it was so powerful that I suggested it for book group. The few who actually read it thought it was terrifying. They had never heard of an EMP, but I can pretty well assure you they all went quickly back to sleep. Or if they didn't, they never mentioned it again. |
Theobromine The Deplorable
User ID: 19876247 United States 09/07/2018 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another salient point: People can and will "make do" and pull together in the beginning when it is unknown how long the disaster will last...but once it is determined the duration is much longer than expected the sharing congenial atmosphere will END. Everyone will be sharing with only those closest to them. Things will be running out daily...theft will be more frequent...the nursing home patients will not be needing "long-term care" anymore -so some will justify taking what they have to give to the "living and expected to live" just as in the book. Some generous towns opened up their doors...and became overwhelmed and under supplied Some towns escorted strangers past their borders...blocked entry unless newcomers HAD SKILLS We have been developing homesteading skills over these years and have found it to be gratifying and humbling. It is MUCH more difficult to grow food subject to the weather and soil conditions haha watching newly planted seedlings wash out in a hard rain down into the drainage ditch... Off-grid is not a treat...you need a little generator to do even simple things we take for granted...cook or pump water...and GAS for operating doesn't last very long. Our camper can run 4 hours on one full tank in the generator- lights, and FAN -not enough power for AC but some heat if needed. Then we have to fill the tank - and gas us expensive. Go camping...learn simple skills...how to cook without power for instance...we like our dutch oven near a fire. I'm sure with any resources I could provide an edible meal for many people - and I can forage for some ingredients. Watch history re-enactors and primitive campers -you will be amazed at the knowledge our ancestors knew and we have lost. I really like THE TOWNSENDS channel for bygone cooking: And he makes his own outdoor OVEN here: "What are you helping with all this helping?" Buddhist saying |
Digital mix guy
User ID: 69036220 United States 09/07/2018 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whom ever may have read this book. What are your thoughts on it. Does it seem realistic... Are the percentages of dead accurate?? Quoting: CrazyMama73 Do you believe it will be bleaker than that outcome... Why was there never any mention about the Power Plants going down over the course of the year?? Are people truly that stupid with how everything has been going on for the last ten years, for them to not feel they need to prep in some remote way to help prepare themselves?? I find it eerily coming close to this same scenario. Reality though in my opinion is that if North Korea drops the unwelcome visit with an EMP that it would happen in the winter time when things for North America are at their weakest. Growing season will suck.. Unless you have seasoned wood, and a stove, you would be fucked warming your home.. Your thoughts? Have no fear, Spock is here!!! LLAP |
SamReed
User ID: 76525076 United States 09/07/2018 06:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read it a long time ago and thought it was so powerful that I suggested it for book group. The few who actually read it thought it was terrifying. They had never heard of an EMP, but I can pretty well assure you they all went quickly back to sleep. Or if they didn't, they never mentioned it again. Quoting: PixieCat I've been seeing glowing recommendations like this for One Second After for years. Well, i finally read it and thought it was shit. The concept of EMP suddenly taking down the power grid and all our electronics is powerful and scary, and many entertaining novels can be spun off from it, but it takes an author who can actually write. |
USCG Popeye
Top Hat User ID: 17502686 United States 09/07/2018 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Someone must have read the book by William R. Forstchen??? Quoting: CrazyMama73 Is this too dark a subject to talk about right now in this sensitive time with NK?? I mean really , this shit needs to be discussed! I did, twice. And Alas Babylon. Also good. Two takeaways: Salt and Toilet paper. Stock up. |
Monger of Many Things
User ID: 74988762 Netherlands 09/07/2018 06:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the idea here is to consider the actual scenario. He is just trying to make it more accessible by writing how the average American speaks. I'm American and can attest to his success in that regard. I think I would do pretty well back with my family in the Midwest, all I would need to do is make it 20 miles to my brother's farm after the dust settles. As long as it doesn't happen before the first of the year when I move to my new home in Colombia I'm golden. Year round growing season, 90% of the population doesn't need heat or ac. I also don't think too many EMP equipped countries are pissed at Colombia so I doubt it would ever be more of an issue than affecting some of our international trade. If I had a dollar for every time I got suspicious... I'd wonder who was paying me, and why? |
SamReed
User ID: 74473199 United States 09/07/2018 06:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Someone must have read the book by William R. Forstchen??? Quoting: CrazyMama73 Is this too dark a subject to talk about right now in this sensitive time with NK?? I mean really , this shit needs to be discussed! I did, twice. And Alas Babylon. Also good. Two takeaways: Salt and Toilet paper. Stock up. Salt is easy and lasts forever. What you want is lots of bottles of hard liquor and cigarettes to feed the vices of distressed people. You will be beloved. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76903646 United States 09/07/2018 06:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you want another perspective, try Going Home written by Angry American. Incredibly useful book and series that will teach as well as entertain. [link to www.goodreads.com (secure)] Another is (I believe) 36 hours. Anyways, yes, this is the event I prep for. |
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MostHolyFace
User ID: 76180094 United Kingdom 09/07/2018 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | George Noory of coast to coast AM fame has been banging on about this for years, and even tried with some members of congress and a senator to get a preparedness plan and contingency measures into place for the USA. Of course it all came to nothing. Ives not read the book though the highest probability of WHEN not if this happens is not nuke EMP but the same as the "Carrington event" i.e. a massive solar flare directed to earth, as happened then, its just the earth being in the wrong place at the wrong time a sun spot belching and that day you don't want to be flying in a plane that's for sure. I believe from memory, not sure how factual the book is there are 10 -20 of those massive ceramic transformers that would blow and would be the real problem, never mind getting the tooling up and ability for any industrialised process going even by water again in a organised faction by those who know and why and such like it would at current modern capacities take about 24 months to re make them for the USA. Post doom well you get the picture. I understand the tool bits and those who were part of this initial infrastructure are not even around any more. I understand Britain has 4 of them. So even if we got power stations going no GRID for at 3 yrs. Which equates to probably about 250,000 people left from nearly 70 million, no food, ESP NO WATER, societal collapse, no communication, no government as such except bunkers hardened, they would just sit it out venture out with guns loot and steal and go back underground, let the masses eat each other, until a "green and Pleasant Land" was left after the rats and flies finished of eating all the corpses. Probably the worst besides all out Nuclear War or Asteroid impact etc. threat to civilisation that exists, and it is probably more frequent in timing than other of natures doom things. There is a new threat to this that has emerged to an extra concern over the last 10 yrs, when say in Britain 15 million teenagers and millennials find that for some reason, 5 seconds after the EVENT they cant access their smart phone and #PlanesAreFallingFromTheSkyLOL then realise FB Instagram and all their daily Porn and Pic food has been withdrawn, well experts predict within 15 minutes of this happening a new type of quickly spreading unstoppable psychosis caused by cognitive dissonance and withdrawal symptoms and the realisation the people screaming for help in the plane wreckages just by them are REAL people, and that their entire previous social interactions have been fake that they will just be unable to communicate with themselves, get guidance on what to do or where to go, due to not thinking for themselves and not having the 7 second "next" "New" sensory input attention span, staring at the reality of the blank screen, the apologetic landscape and without guidance 90% of them will find that their brain actually liquefies in a recursive loop of neural electrical storm. 10% though in this terrible situation will go and help those plane crash survivors, form their first real human relationships, gain language skills never possessed before. Then it has been theorised that,t after a few weeks of twitching from withdrawal symptoms, and learning to read real social cues and the 80% of communication lost in TXT speak and fake Hollywood TV and Kardashians they will evolve into what is being described in emergency preparedness plans as the "Post Twitter Millennials" These my friends will be our only chance to continue society and in the long hard decades to follow, the EVENT, they will laugh and smile as they use ploughs that they fashioned from mobile phone masts, to feed the elderly, infirm, in non pesticide farmed fields and hold eye contact and expect it when talking to another human being. There is as someone used to say to me always roses growing from mounds of Shit. God Bless. Last Edited by MostHolyFace on 09/07/2018 07:28 PM Pray Hope & Dont Worry [link to www.sudariumchristi.com (secure)] |
Theobromine The Deplorable
User ID: 19876247 United States 09/07/2018 07:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | George Noory of coast to coast AM fame has been banging on about this for years, and even tried with some members of congress and a senator to get a preparedness plan and contingency measures into place for the USA. Quoting: MostHolyFace Of course it all came to nothing. Ives not read the book though the highest probability of WHEN not if this happens is not nuke EMP but the same as the "Carrington event" i.e. a massive solar flare directed to earth, as happened then, its just the earth being in the wrong place at the wrong time a sun spot belching and that day you don't want to be flying in a plane that's for sure. I believe from memory, not sure how factual the book is there are 10 -20 of those massive ceramic transformers that would blow and would be the real problem, never mind getting the tooling up and ability for any industrialised process going even by water again in a organised faction by those who know and why and such like it would at current modern capacities take about 24 months to re make them for the USA. Post doom well you get the picture. I understand the tool bits and those who were part of this initial infrastructure are not even around any more. I understand Britain has 4 of them. So even if we got power stations going no GRID for at 3 yrs. Which equates to probably about 250,000 people left from nearly 70 million, no food, ESP NO WATER, societal collapse, no communication, no government as such except bunkers hardened, they would just sit it out venture out with guns loot and steal and go back underground, let the masses eat each other, until a "green and Pleasant Land" was left after the rats and flies finished of eating all the corpses. Probably the worst besides all out Nuclear War or Asteroid impact etc. threat to civilisation that exists, and it is probably more frequent in timing than other of natures doom things. There is a new threat to this that has emerged to an extra concern over the last 10 yrs, when say in Britain 15 million teenagers and millennials find that for some reason, 5 seconds after the EVENT they cant access their smart phone and #Phosphatidylethanolamine then realise FB Instagram and all their daily Porn and Pic food has been withdrawn, well experts predict within 15 minutes of this happening a new type of quickly spreading unstoppable psychosis caused by cognitive dissonance and withdrawal symptoms and the realisation the people screaming for help in the plane wreckages just by them are REAL people, and that their entire previous social interactions have been fake that they will just be unable to communicate with themselves, get guidance on what to do or where to go, due to not thinking for themselves and not having the 7 second "next" "New" sensory input attention span, staring at the reality of the blank screen, the apologetic landscape and without guidance 90% of them will find that their brain actually liquefies in protect in a recursive loop of neural electrical storm. 10% though in this terrible situation will go and help those plane crash survivors, form their first real human relationships, gain language skills never possessed before. Then it has been theorised that,t after a few weeks of twitching from withdrawal symptoms, and learning to read real social cues and the 80% of communication lost in TXT speak and fake Hollywood TV and Kardashians they will evolve into what is being described in emergency preparedness plans as the "Post Twitter Millennials" These my friends will be our only chance to continue society and in the long hard decades to follow, the EVENT, they will laugh and smile as they use ploughs that they fashioned from mobile phone masts, to feed the elderly, infirm, in non pesticide farmed fields and hold eye contact and expect it when talking to another human being. There is as someone used to say to me always roses growing from mounds of Shit. God Bless. We saw them stringing NEW POWER LINES all over our state...and in many other places according to friends... I think they wanted to UPGRADE the GRID quietly so people would not realize our national vulnerability. Ask an electrician or LINEMAN...they are not as susceptible as they once were - transformers too...changed out... "What are you helping with all this helping?" Buddhist saying |
TeeM
User ID: 73699569 United States 09/07/2018 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | CrazyMama, if you enjoyed that book I urge you to find "Alas, Babylon". It was written in 1959 and imagines the fate of a small town in Central Florida (pre-Disney) after a nuclear war. We actually have retired to a location similar to that small town just in case something like what is foretold in these books ever happens. There is a large prepper community in our country who would welcome you and help you learn the skills that might someday save your life. Many of them are on these message boards. |
Mental Case
User ID: 76914374 United Arab Emirates 09/07/2018 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You need to understand the insane amount of energy we use in day to day living. A truckers strike will bring us to our knees (as it did in brazil). Just in food production: Plowing, planting, fertalizing, irrigation, harvesting, truck to processing plant, processing, packaging, truck to stores. All of those steps take alot of energy. Canning & freezing food takes a massive amount of energy. I think 90% dead in 12 months is pretty accurate (maybe even wishful thinking). If I am going to be damned...I am going to be damned for who I really am! |