HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting? | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33659422 United States 10/10/2017 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A special weapons expert was on FOX last night talking about how damn hard it would be to hit that many people from a almost a quarter mile away from 300 feet. At that distance if you are off even one degree in your calculations you would miss the "Kill Box", especially firing full auto. He said it would take a LOT of training to do that. Plus he would have to be calm as a cucumber. Hard to do after shooting the guard. Its far different than shooting straight down when you take into the fact that it was over 1,000 feet. Quoting: PACNWGUY-01 Those calculations are wrong. One degree at that distance would move your point of impact 20 feet, and the target is 300 feet wide. I don't know where the fuck they found that guy but it seems like they are trying to push an agenda with him going around spreading those lies. The mechanical accuracy of an average AR15 at that distance is about 8" I could train someone who never fired a gun in their life to put every round in a 3 or at worst 4 foot radius at that distance in about an hour of practice. Most people would be able to do it on their first magazine. Firing on full auto is not going to make your aim 100 times worse to the point that you miss a 300 foot target. Trying to hit a 300 foot wide target at 400 yards is equivalent to trying to hit an average pickup truck at 30 paces... you don't need to be a Delta Force sniper to pull that off. |
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User ID: 75672130 Denmark 10/10/2017 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Investigators are now saying the shooter shot the security guard through the door 6 minutes before he began shooting. Why in he hell would he do that? He had monitors in the hall and saw the guard and then fired 200 rounds through the door at the guard. Why not wait until he was gone? Why did he wait another 6 minutes to begin his slaughter? Why did he leave the wounded guard outside his room? He could see that he was wounded with his monitors. Why didn't anyone else on the floor report 200 rounds being fired 30 feet away from their rooms. They are aren't soundproof. Earlier the guy below him reported loud music coming from above. Loud music is loud but 200 rounds isn't? Quoting: PACNWGUY-01 See link below from NY times. [link to www.latimes.com] He didn't, cop radio and witness' saying cops chased that poor guard across the street to another casino, probably shot him there 'cause he saw too much. There IS witness testimony to this part. Officers were "chasing a suspect dressed as a security guard".... what happened to that story, and which hotel was it. I don't think it relates to the Mandalay Bay security guard, but I'm open to that scenario. Thoughts? Would make sense that a participant in this massacre would dress up like a security guard. That's so common for criminals to pretend to be police or security guards in killing scenarios. Who better to get access and not to be questioned on their location or activities? A guard. Maybe this guy they said was shot WAS the guy they were chasing and now they have to account for him somehow. Thread: Las Vegas Shooting: Video Shows ‘Security Guard’ Gunman Shoot Into Crowd [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75491368 United States 10/10/2017 01:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another thing...when Campos saw a barricade in the stairwell that was blocking usage, why did he not call right then and there to get help taking the crap out of it! It's a fire hazard to block stairways so he should have been calling about that first. Is there any training or protocol with these security guards? How badly was this stairwell baracaded? If someone has baracaded a stairwell, isn't that a big red flag right there! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63492018 How do we even know there WAS a security guard named Campos who did anything, including getting shot? I suspect whoever this guy was, he was killed by the other security people or locals or FBI, and they're trying to blame it on Paddock. Wonder what caliber that bullet(s) is. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75491368 United States 10/10/2017 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54749175 He didn't, cop radio and witness' saying cops chased that poor guard across the street to another casino, probably shot him there 'cause he saw too much. There IS witness testimony to this part. Officers were "chasing a suspect dressed as a security guard".... what happened to that story, and which hotel was it. I don't think it relates to the Mandalay Bay security guard, but I'm open to that scenario. Thoughts? Would make sense that a participant in this massacre would dress up like a security guard. That's so common for criminals to pretend to be police or security guards in killing scenarios. Who better to get access and not to be questioned on their location or activities? A guard. Maybe this guy they said was shot WAS the guy they were chasing and now they have to account for him somehow. Thread: Las Vegas Shooting: Video Shows ‘Security Guard’ Gunman Shoot Into Crowd [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] EXACTLY! That's an incredibly important video. Some have said he was trying to use a flash light to show people how to exit, but I see no indication of that. I see no light from a flash light and his actions are highly suspicious, esp that crouch. And it looks like he's holding a gun. Which I think he passes off to the second "guard" who comes up next to him on his left. I'm wondering if he was shooting live ammo or blanks - maybe he was just supposed to frighten the crowd or herd them. I think the casualty numbers here have been inflated, especially the wounded. I think there are a lot of fake victims interspersed in the crowd too. Crisis actors. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75491368 United States 10/10/2017 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A special weapons expert was on FOX last night talking about how damn hard it would be to hit that many people from a almost a quarter mile away from 300 feet. At that distance if you are off even one degree in your calculations you would miss the "Kill Box", especially firing full auto. He said it would take a LOT of training to do that. Plus he would have to be calm as a cucumber. Hard to do after shooting the guard. Its far different than shooting straight down when you take into the fact that it was over 1,000 feet. Quoting: PACNWGUY-01 Those calculations are wrong. One degree at that distance would move your point of impact 20 feet, and the target is 300 feet wide. I don't know where the fuck they found that guy but it seems like they are trying to push an agenda with him going around spreading those lies. The mechanical accuracy of an average AR15 at that distance is about 8" I could train someone who never fired a gun in their life to put every round in a 3 or at worst 4 foot radius at that distance in about an hour of practice. Most people would be able to do it on their first magazine. Firing on full auto is not going to make your aim 100 times worse to the point that you miss a 300 foot target. Trying to hit a 300 foot wide target at 400 yards is equivalent to trying to hit an average pickup truck at 30 paces... you don't need to be a Delta Force sniper to pull that off. That is such a pant load of crap. I've seen professional shooter after shooter say that it was not physically possible for THIS guy to shoot as many rounds as he did at that crowd at that distance. The mechanics and the reality of Paddock's age and condition don't add up. Also, where are all the expended shells and bullets? WHERE'S THE GLASS FROM THE SHATTERED WINDOWS (which are made of security glass that should withstand actual bullets)? that he could not break with a fucking hammer???? WHERE IS THE GLASS? There were several shooters here, Paddock probably was not one of them. In fact, it's very unlikely. Whatever purpose he served other than patsy, we can speculate. But this bullshit about Rambo Paddock has got to END. Just fucking pant loads of bullshit. |
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MissCleo
User ID: 73977055 United States 10/10/2017 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69766872 He wasn't "aiming" at people. He was simply raining bullets down into a parking lot full of people. That does not require aiming, shooting skill, or any particular accuracy level. Actually it does. At that distance and with his elevation the target "kill box" becomes really small. Firing with a full automatic is difficult at best to stay on target and because his kill/hit ratio was so high in a small area, he was damn good. He said he had to be within one degree to be that accurate. Ive heard a few navy seals on TV lately who have said the same thing. If he was firing a sniper rifle its not too hard. Anyone can shoot straight down but going out 1000 feet from 300 feet up firing in full automatic is another story. how many First Responders did he kill? wound? ratio? compared to 911? number people. He only fired for 10 minutes on full auto. Not enough time for first responders to arrive. At that distance, I think he would have needed a sniper rifle to target anyone specifically. But wait... he bought a sniper type rifle on his way to the hotel but they didn't find it. and the security guard chase was witnessed and could have been the security guard hiding the sniper rifle in the service elevator... or elsewhere. |
MissCleo
User ID: 73977055 United States 10/10/2017 01:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | on 911 -- 343 firefighters, 71 police killed that's 16% of the total 2606 in Mandalay Bay the concert had First Responders in attendance. Anyone have the numbers on how many First Responders were shot or injured on 10/1? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67390498 United States 10/10/2017 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ANY GUNSHOTS IN A HOTEL should have had tens if not hundreds of calls to the front desk ~ with an instantaneous response Quoting: Rufus Juice Calls about music, camera in the hall, stairwell rigged, drilling, 2 person receipt, ....fuk this guy was smooth?? He practically begged someone to find him...what a stumble hum. |
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MissCleo
User ID: 73977055 United States 10/10/2017 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ANY GUNSHOTS IN A HOTEL should have had tens if not hundreds of calls to the front desk ~ with an instantaneous response Quoting: Rufus Juice Calls about music, camera in the hall, stairwell rigged, drilling, 2 person receipt, ....fuk this guy was smooth?? He practically begged someone to find him...what a stumble hum. because he was luring police, first responders... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74625723 United States 10/10/2017 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He didn't, the guy who killed Paddock killed the security guard... think think think think Investigators are now saying the shooter shot the security guard through the door 6 minutes before he began shooting. Why in he hell would he do that? He had monitors in the hall and saw the guard and then fired 200 rounds through the door at the guard. Why not wait until he was gone? Why did he wait another 6 minutes to begin his slaughter? Why did he leave the wounded guard outside his room? He could see that he was wounded with his monitors. Why didn't anyone else on the floor report 200 rounds being fired 30 feet away from their rooms. They are aren't soundproof. Earlier the guy below him reported loud music coming from above. Loud music is loud but 200 rounds isn't? Quoting: PACNWGUY-01 See link below from NY times. [link to www.latimes.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67390498 United States 10/10/2017 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | on 911 -- 343 firefighters, 71 police killed that's 16% of the total 2606 Quoting: MissCleo in Mandalay Bay the concert had First Responders in attendance. Anyone have the numbers on how many First Responders were shot or injured on 10/1? 58 dead presumably all shot but not stated, presumably all concert attendees but not stated of the wounded they have never said how many were gunshot wound & if any wounded were non-concert folks so shiddy briefings and shiddy media quessions so far. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67390498 United States 10/10/2017 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ANY GUNSHOTS IN A HOTEL should have had tens if not hundreds of calls to the front desk ~ with an instantaneous response Quoting: Rufus Juice Calls about music, camera in the hall, stairwell rigged, drilling, 2 person receipt, ....fuk this guy was smooth?? He practically begged someone to find him...what a stumble hum. because he was luring police, first responders... Maybe someone was luring & they got paddock and sec guard. |
MissCleo
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deanoZXT
User ID: 75538851 United States 10/10/2017 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, he had silencers. So no one heard the 200 rounds. So what if there is no such thing as rifle silencers like the movies. But that’s what the FBIers what you to believe. So I guess the 50 rooms in the hall way didn’t hear what room a full auto machine gun was coming from. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75458725 Have you ever shot a gun with a silencer?!? Dear God, they don’t silence a gun, lmao. A gun with a silencer is still loud as hell! Yes. That's why they are actually called a suppressor. -Everything's more awesome when you lean into it. |
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User ID: 75672130 Denmark 10/10/2017 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | on 911 -- 343 firefighters, 71 police killed that's 16% of the total 2606 Quoting: MissCleo in Mandalay Bay the concert had First Responders in attendance. Anyone have the numbers on how many First Responders were shot or injured on 10/1? 58 dead presumably all shot but not stated, presumably all concert attendees but not stated of the wounded they have never said how many were gunshot wound & if any wounded were non-concert folks so shiddy briefings and shiddy media quessions so far. At least we got hilarious crisis acting like this. Thread: Jon Rappoport: The Las Vegas shooting was both real and fake [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67390498 United States 10/10/2017 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MASTER CARD THAT OPENS ALL THE DOOR,he knew the security wasn’t going to knock. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73158147 If he really was spooked by campos...his whole fukn plan fell apart at that moment...no escape, just unload what was ready into the crowd, pull his pud and eat his revolver. If he wouldve fukn jumped out the window on vid I wouldve believed it...maybe. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67390498 United States 10/10/2017 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | on 911 -- 343 firefighters, 71 police killed that's 16% of the total 2606 Quoting: MissCleo in Mandalay Bay the concert had First Responders in attendance. Anyone have the numbers on how many First Responders were shot or injured on 10/1? 58 dead presumably all shot but not stated, presumably all concert attendees but not stated of the wounded they have never said how many were gunshot wound & if any wounded were non-concert folks so shiddy briefings and shiddy media quessions so far. At least we got hilarious crisis acting like this. Thread: Jon Rappoport: The Las Vegas shooting was both real and fake [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Thats the jist of all these incidents...something happens....butt whatever happens is muddled up and fed to the public in a different form. I guess if there really was little fukn aliens stealing cows and hillbillys, these tax paid slobs could cover it up. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 67390498 United States 10/10/2017 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | appears Paddock was a gun runner, why bump stocks, so they could use as a gun grab, Pelosi hoping it becomes a slippery slope. Paddocks plane connects to a contractor who worked for the Obama Administration, this contractors home reportedly connects to Elizabeth Warren, and reportedly a save the children Ministries, paddock connected to a Paradise Ranch, here we go notice the kiddies, reportedly Paddock flew children in from the Phillipines and weapons, to arm ISIS against the what is called Donald Trump of the Phillipines, could explain the 100 grand wired to the Phillipines, so gun running, Pedogate , notice the proximity to Hollywood and DC, all the homes could be safe havens for running guns and children, small plane attracts little attention and or children. his brother sounded like he wanted to say arms dealer then diverted to not want to disparage a Military service, correcting that almost blurted blunder. they are covering up to not connect this attack was sanctioned by the Deep State and Shadow Gov. Swat stated the dead guy when they entered the room had rigor mortis, meaning 3 hours dead already, and from the time shots were fired to entering the room took a hour and 17 minutes, meaning the dead guy was already dead a hour and 43 minutes before the shooting started, and covering this up shows other shooters, cover up by the FBI. and covering up for the Deep State and Shadow Gov. Pedogate is what is being used to extort Politicians, media and Hollywood. my opinions on these matters Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59358295 Where u get the rigor mortis claim?? Swat said? Deep state & shadow govt together? U drunk. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71920334 United States 10/10/2017 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | his paranoia? Quoting: mr jenzie also WHEN EXACTLY??? BEFORE is it now? or when he already started, seen him coming BECAUSE he heard gunfire from the room, and got shot once in the leg? There was NO gunfire coming from his room until 6 minutes after he was shot. No gunfire yet, I must have missed something. Why was the guard at his door? Door ajar alarm was as I recall a hallway door. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 67390498 United States 10/10/2017 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | his paranoia? Quoting: mr jenzie also WHEN EXACTLY??? BEFORE is it now? or when he already started, seen him coming BECAUSE he heard gunfire from the room, and got shot once in the leg? There was NO gunfire coming from his room until 6 minutes after he was shot. No gunfire yet, I must have missed something. Why was the guard at his door? Door ajar alarm was as I recall a hallway door. No u right. timeline moved up 6 mins to guard being shot at 959pm. first shot at crowd was at around 1010pm...not sure but more 6 mins I think |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71920334 United States 10/10/2017 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He didn't, the guy who killed Paddock killed the security guard... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74625723 think think think think Investigators are now saying the shooter shot the security guard through the door 6 minutes before he began shooting. Why in he hell would he do that? He had monitors in the hall and saw the guard and then fired 200 rounds through the door at the guard. Why not wait until he was gone? Why did he wait another 6 minutes to begin his slaughter? Why did he leave the wounded guard outside his room? He could see that he was wounded with his monitors. Why didn't anyone else on the floor report 200 rounds being fired 30 feet away from their rooms. They are aren't soundproof. Earlier the guy below him reported loud music coming from above. Loud music is loud but 200 rounds isn't? Quoting: PACNWGUY-01 See link below from NY times. [link to www.latimes.com] My 1st thought, too...buyer(s) killed Paddock & shot Guard. Basic Clue game 101, LOL. |
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