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HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?

 
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The investigators have not been forthcoming with information, that's for sure.
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The lies are numerous at the hotel and the room....all these original details are suspect.

He must appear to be acting alone....the proof he wasnt wont be found with someone he talked to months ago or miles away...the proof is in hotel/room.
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Yea havent seen 200 shots around door or walls yet.w

2 hero stories....campos and the ad hoc cop team....used to deflect attention from hallway and room truths.

why swat hadnt shown up to breach?...cops were in hallway for an hour with wounded guard.

Guy on floor claimed cop shot security!! Wtf?.? Fog of war? Fukme...everybody just bury your family, not sure what happened, fog of war yo.
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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
Well, he had silencers. So no one heard the 200 rounds. So what if there is no such thing as rifle silencers like the movies. But that’s what the FBIers what you to believe. So I guess the 50 rooms in the hall way didn’t hear what room a full auto machine gun was coming from.
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Have you ever shot a gun with a silencer?!? Dear God, they don’t silence a gun, lmao. A gun with a silencer is still loud as hell!
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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
Every inch of that hotel is covered by security cameras. Hallways, elevators, casinos, lobby, restaurants and all. He was there for a week yet there is zero footage of him.

They know every person who came and went to his room, got off the elevators on his floor and who went to the damn bathroom. Where are the videos?
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Isn't it someplace in those many audios of scanner and 911 recordings. Isn't that how the timeline was determined in the first place. Is the Sheriff a tool for the wealthy globalists? Is the Sheriff Constitutional enough to want the truth? The true perpetrators of this crime may be proven to be our own law makers or at least being protected by such. The Sheriff would be twisting the timeline to cover the specified agenda. Anyway, when the facts are altered I get nervous. Are the facts being changed ... or clarified?
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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
He's in it. Shot himself to cover it up.

They've claimed that Paddock used jamming equipment to prevent video from being recorded, yet Paddock was able to video record.

All bullshit. They've caught themselves in so many lies that their only way out is to play stupid and say they can't figure it out.
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Sounds like they're all caught in a deception loop with no way out until the truth collapses it. Imagine that.
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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
outer room was set up with IED so when First Responders came in they would be killed en masse. camera in the hall showed shooter how many uniforms were in there.

the guard was to lure them into the room but couldn't look suspicious so he had a flesh wound. he was in on it. and allowed the freight elevator access.

how many First Responders (off duty and uniformed) were shot in the concert crowd?

This operation was designed like 911 to kill Cops and Rescue people. connected to "foreign" origin. can't say that yet because US is working on response.

IF first responders were lured into IED and exploded in Mandalay Bay then shooter would have had more time to snipe and possibly other cell members would take out other locations that were wired. (Tropicana released counter-terrorism unit to combat) (Multiple locations reported).
(holes drilled in wall).

Paddock (cell) left a signature.
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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
Since they keep changing the narrative, some of the FB threads with thousands of people commenting show just about NO ONE believing this shit.

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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
Guard set off the motion detector. It was an automatic gun think Termintor weapons. The other guns strayed shooting on schedule. That's what I think
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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
outer room was set up with IED so when First Responders came in they would be killed en masse. camera in the hall showed shooter how many uniforms were in there.

the guard was to lure them into the room but couldn't look suspicious so he had a flesh wound. he was in on it. and allowed the freight elevator access.

how many First Responders (off duty and uniformed) were shot in the concert crowd?

This operation was designed like 911 to kill Cops and Rescue people. connected to "foreign" origin. can't say that yet because US is working on response.

IF first responders were lured into IED and exploded in Mandalay Bay then shooter would have had more time to snipe and possibly other cell members would take out other locations that were wired. (Tropicana released counter-terrorism unit to combat) (Multiple locations reported).
(holes drilled in wall).

Paddock (cell) left a signature.
 Quoting: MissCleo


They are saying they don't have a clue why he would drill holes in the wall. Must be over their paygrade to think about it.
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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
I'm thinking the security guard heard the noise of Paddock drilling through the walls and knocked on his door.
Cuz why the hell would a guest be drilling in his room?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71586214


If the guard heard drilling and knocked he would have been invited into the room and killed. Lots easier than firing 200 rounds through the door. I doubt the drill was loud enough to hear in the hallway anyway.
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Well, it appears that my guess was absolutely correct.

[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]

The guard DID hear the drilling and walked right into Paddock's room since the door was ajar.
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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
for 72 minutes the Police stayed in the hall. something was blocking them from entering the room. early on scanner an IED was mentioned.

Sheriff Joe said they didn't wait for SWAT, they took matters into their own hands because they were trained (in IED defusing) while they called the medic for the guard.

72 minutes because the law says that First Responders don't have to risk their lives to get to a beacon in the event there is an IED blocking that path.

on 911 the target was First Responders. How many First Responders died on 911 in ratio to civilians?

in Las Vegas how many First Responders were targeted? died?
could First Responders be identified from the Mandalay window? Did shooter know Concert had First Responder guests?
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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
I'm thinking the security guard heard the noise of Paddock drilling through the walls and knocked on his door.
Cuz why the hell would a guest be drilling in his room?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71586214


If the guard heard drilling and knocked he would have been invited into the room and killed. Lots easier than firing 200 rounds through the door. I doubt the drill was loud enough to hear in the hallway anyway.
 Quoting: PACNWGUY-01


Well, it appears that my guess was absolutely correct.

[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]

The guard DID hear the drilling and walked right into Paddock's room since the door was ajar.
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does that even make sense? door ajar?
either Guard left door ajar or it was a lure.
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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
Every inch of that hotel is covered by security cameras. Hallways, elevators, casinos, lobby, restaurants and all. He was there for a week yet there is zero footage of him.

They know every person who came and went to his room, got off the elevators on his floor and who went to the damn bathroom. Where are the videos?
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Yep, and 22000 at the concert we have seen a dozen cellphone videos and a couple dozen witnesses, right 👍
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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
outer room was set up with IED so when First Responders came in they would be killed en masse. camera in the hall showed shooter how many uniforms were in there.

the guard was to lure them into the room but couldn't look suspicious so he had a flesh wound. he was in on it. and allowed the freight elevator access.

how many First Responders (off duty and uniformed) were shot in the concert crowd?

This operation was designed like 911 to kill Cops and Rescue people. connected to "foreign" origin. can't say that yet because US is working on response.

IF first responders were lured into IED and exploded in Mandalay Bay then shooter would have had more time to snipe and possibly other cell members would take out other locations that were wired. (Tropicana released counter-terrorism unit to combat) (Multiple locations reported).
(holes drilled in wall).

Paddock (cell) left a signature.
 Quoting: MissCleo


They are saying they don't have a clue why he would drill holes in the wall. Must be over their paygrade to think about it.
 Quoting: PACNWGUY-01


they know exactly why holes were drilled. room was wired with explosives.
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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
I'm thinking the security guard heard the noise of Paddock drilling through the walls and knocked on his door.
Cuz why the hell would a guest be drilling in his room?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71586214


If the guard heard drilling and knocked he would have been invited into the room and killed. Lots easier than firing 200 rounds through the door. I doubt the drill was loud enough to hear in the hallway anyway.
 Quoting: PACNWGUY-01


Well, it appears that my guess was absolutely correct.

[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]

The guard DID hear the drilling and walked right into Paddock's room since the door was ajar.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71586214


does that even make sense? door ajar?
either Guard left door ajar or it was a lure.
 Quoting: MissCleo


that's bs for "we don't know wtf."

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If the guard heard drilling and knocked he would have been invited into the room and killed. Lots easier than firing 200 rounds through the door. I doubt the drill was loud enough to hear in the hallway anyway.
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Well, it appears that my guess was absolutely correct.

[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]

The guard DID hear the drilling and walked right into Paddock's room since the door was ajar.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71586214


does that even make sense? door ajar?
either Guard left door ajar or it was a lure.
 Quoting: MissCleo


that's bs for "we don't know wtf."

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 Quoting: freddie 0


it's still an active investigation.
they don't owe us an explanation.
there will be statements, it takes time.
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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
The Security Guards story is starting to fall apart. The guard goes to check on an open door alarm by Paddocks room. Somehow the Security Guards attention is directed at Paddocks room. Paddock shoots 200 rounds at the Security Guard through the wall sticking him in the leg. The massacre starts 6 minutes later.

As a Law Enforcement Officer let me just say this story is total bullshit. In fact, there are several things that don't make sense.

Alarm on an open door? I can buy that, but why the focuses on Paddocks Room? I heard someone say that he heard a drill. Vegas Hotel rooms, while not sound proof, cut down the noise from inside the room significantly. Unless the Security Guard saw a drill bit going through the door I doubt this story.

Paddock see's the Security Guard and opens fire through the door using cans. Paddock fired 200 shots at the Security Guard and only got 1 shot in the leg? After being fired upon by an automatic weapon? His legs and body should have been turned to Swiss cheese. What did he do for 6 minutes after being shot? 6 minutes is enough time to go downstairs and call 911. What about everybody else on the floor? No 911 calls????

Here is my theory. The Security Guard helped Paddock with bringing weapons up and the setup of the sniper nest. Nobody would blink an eye at a Security Employee taking heavy bags upstairs. At the end of the story the Security guard is wounded in the leg by Paddock as a cover or to make the Security Guard seem like a hero.
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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
Yep, this makes the entire original story bogus. If he fired 200 rounds into the hallway on the 32nd floor, striking a security guard who had comms to the front desk and security headquarters, there is no way that other guests would not have heard the shooting and security hq would not know a guard was down. So the part about getting to his room 72 minutes later, now makes completely no sense. Did the operation start too soon? Doesn't seem likely since it was almost over, unless he wanted to use the chokepoints as they exited. Did they need more time to evacuate the others out of his room? that would make sense given there was no need for so much weaponary and equipment for one man's use. Did authorites just figure out, nine days later, that they overlooked something simple in their timeline? Not likely either. Something has come up that contradicts something else, requiring a change to the timeline. There were too many moving pieces to control and the coverup in spinning out of control. Too much cell phone video, too many witnesses, etc. So, will the public care or will this just get swept away with the next big event in the news cycle?
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I'm thinking the security guard heard the noise of Paddock drilling through the walls and knocked on his door.
Cuz why the hell would a guest be drilling in his room?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71586214


If the guard heard drilling and knocked he would have been invited into the room and killed. Lots easier than firing 200 rounds through the door. I doubt the drill was loud enough to hear in the hallway anyway.
 Quoting: PACNWGUY-01

Not possible as I think he barricaded the doors. I don't really see a mystery as to why Paddock shot the guard. He heard Paddock drilling which is 100% not normal, so he knew if he didn't kill him, he'd be able to go and report that to his superiors and more people would be on the way. Of course, turns out he missed and failed, and people did come anyway.
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Paddock expected to go out with the explosion or use the gun laying in the hallway to escape the stairwell...

when the charges were defused he had no escape. (72 minutes)

did shooter have clear aim at route fire trucks and ambulances would have entered Mandalay Bay?

he would have taken out at least 10 First Responders on the floor, dozens sniping. he had already taken out many at the concert.
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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
outer room was set up with IED so when First Responders came in they would be killed en masse. camera in the hall showed shooter how many uniforms were in there.

the guard was to lure them into the room but couldn't look suspicious so he had a flesh wound. he was in on it. and allowed the freight elevator access.

how many First Responders (off duty and uniformed) were shot in the concert crowd?

This operation was designed like 911 to kill Cops and Rescue people. connected to "foreign" origin. can't say that yet because US is working on response.

IF first responders were lured into IED and exploded in Mandalay Bay then shooter would have had more time to snipe and possibly other cell members would take out other locations that were wired. (Tropicana released counter-terrorism unit to combat) (Multiple locations reported).
(holes drilled in wall).

Paddock (cell) left a signature.
 Quoting: MissCleo


They are saying they don't have a clue why he would drill holes in the wall. Must be over their paygrade to think about it.
 Quoting: PACNWGUY-01


they know exactly why holes were drilled. room was wired with explosives.
 Quoting: MissCleo


The holes open up a multitude of questions. The hotel was sold out for the event. Who rented the room? Who had key cards? Who had access? They know how many times the key cards were used and they know who had them. If he was planning to blow the room, why didn't he wire it a day or two before then waiting until the zero hour?

I bet they answer these questions by saying he was also a peeping Tom.
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Apparently he was indeed drilling through the door or door frame, so the guard could easily have heard that.
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Here is my theory. The Security Guard helped Paddock with bringing weapons up and the setup of the sniper nest. Nobody would blink an eye at a Security Employee taking heavy bags upstairs. At the end of the story the Security guard is wounded in the leg by Paddock as a cover or to make the Security Guard seem like a hero.
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if the security guard thought that the shooter was going to take out Frist Responders he wouldn't have helped him. The guard only found this out after he was shot. and then he was in too deep. thus the lies.
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Well, it appears that my guess was absolutely correct.

[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]

The guard DID hear the drilling and walked right into Paddock's room since the door was ajar.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71586214


does that even make sense? door ajar?
either Guard left door ajar or it was a lure.
 Quoting: MissCleo


that's bs for "we don't know wtf."

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 Quoting: freddie 0


it's still an active investigation.
they don't owe us an explanation.
there will be statements, it takes time.
 Quoting: MissCleo


the Doctrine of "Compelling Public Interest"
gives us legal standing in this thing.

the Court decides what must be released and
what can be withheld.
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I'm thinking the security guard heard the noise of Paddock drilling through the walls and knocked on his door.
Cuz why the hell would a guest be drilling in his room?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71586214


If the guard heard drilling and knocked he would have been invited into the room and killed. Lots easier than firing 200 rounds through the door. I doubt the drill was loud enough to hear in the hallway anyway.
 Quoting: PACNWGUY-01

Not possible as I think he barricaded the doors. I don't really see a mystery as to why Paddock shot the guard. He heard Paddock drilling which is 100% not normal, so he knew if he didn't kill him, he'd be able to go and report that to his superiors and more people would be on the way. Of course, turns out he missed and failed, and people did come anyway.
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He heard drilling? He wouldn't know he was drilling anything even he could have heard the drill. They are NOT very loud. Hell, the TV makes more noise.
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Apparently he was indeed drilling through the door or door frame, so the guard could easily have heard that.
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He was drilling into the suite next door.
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Here is my theory. The Security Guard helped Paddock with bringing weapons up and the setup of the sniper nest. Nobody would blink an eye at a Security Employee taking heavy bags upstairs. At the end of the story the Security guard is wounded in the leg by Paddock as a cover or to make the Security Guard seem like a hero.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6871301


if the security guard thought that the shooter was going to take out Frist Responders he wouldn't have helped him. The guard only found this out after he was shot. and then he was in too deep. thus the lies.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Paddocks a millionaire, and everybody has a price.
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Dude wasn't thinking rationally. He obviously could have done anything at any moment. You can't get fully into the mind of a person in a psychotic episode. Deep depression can trigger extreme paranoia that doesn't make sense to rational people.
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Re: HUGE QUESTION: Why did shooter shoot guard through the door 6 minutes BEFORE he began shooting?
I'm thinking the security guard heard the noise of Paddock drilling through the walls and knocked on his door.
Cuz why the hell would a guest be drilling in his room?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71586214


If the guard heard drilling and knocked he would have been invited into the room and killed. Lots easier than firing 200 rounds through the door. I doubt the drill was loud enough to hear in the hallway anyway.
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you're right pac. they should give you and all the internet all the footage and info during this open criminal investigation, just like they do every single other criminal act...
Articles and "news" from liberal media shall now be known as catnip for libtards.

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Dude wasn't thinking rationally. He obviously could have done anything at any moment. You can't get fully into the mind of a person in a psychotic episode. Deep depression can trigger extreme paranoia that doesn't make sense to rational people.
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Guy was a twisted sick f@&k too.
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Because it's a lie.





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