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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75344920 United States 08/27/2017 12:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To go the disciples and early Christians the "bible" was the old testament. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75441650 Noone in the the new testament actually believed they were "writing scripture". Whenever "scripture" is mentioned in the new testament, it is referring to the old testament full stop Yes please stop. You are wrong. Peter clearly said that Paul's writings were Scripture. 2 Peter 3 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. There is only one scripture, the words and works of Jesus. Not anyone else. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75344920 United States 08/27/2017 12:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To go the disciples and early Christians the "bible" was the old testament. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75441650 Noone in the the new testament actually believed they were "writing scripture". Whenever "scripture" is mentioned in the new testament, it is referring to the old testament full stop it wasn't for several hundred years that the RCC decided to dub books of the new testament as "scripture" on par with the old testament. Even though the authors of the NT books didn't consider their own writing on par with the old testament but hundreds of years later they are I choose to pay a lot more attention to the books in the NT written by disciples that actually knew Jesus. Everything else is subordinate to other NT books, and the entire NT is subordinate to the OT The OT was the ONLY bible that any person in the NT recognized as inspired/inerrant scripture, that is simply fact Then, if you are correct, Jesus could not control the future of Christianity. Paul is the founder of Christianity. You're deluded. Jesus chose Paul for a reason. Paul, under direction of Jesus, was instrumental in separating Christianity from Judaism. Jesus didnt choose Paul. At all. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75333447 United States 08/27/2017 12:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul was a gnostic. Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn Also you should read up on him and Seneca. Achieve Higher Mind: Galatians 4:19 My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you, [link to www.spiritofthescripture.com] [link to www.spiritofthescripture.com] far less than 50%: Remember that Paul also said in Romans that the Kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but righteousness, and joy, and peace in the Holy Ghost. But as Jesus said in Luke 17:21, this kingdom is within us, and to find it we must go within. The daily practice of getting still before the Lord in meditation will crucify the desire nature, and during this process the mind will naturally begin to receive manna. [link to www.spiritofthescripture.com] Far less than 50%: In order to illustrate the above truth for you, let’s start with the Apostle Paul’s comment on the Red Sea crossing and how it relates to baptism. He states: “…our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea” (1 Cor. 10:1-2)....... Baptism is meditation. It’s that simple. And it’s for this reason that Paul is able to link the Red Sea crossing with baptism. Let’s review the details. In recalling the story of the Exodus we see the Israelites camped by the sea when the Egyptians suddenly arrive on the horizon. God had hardened pharaoh’s heart once again and he was coming to destroy them. When the Israelites looked up and saw the Egyptians coming, they became afraid and started complaining. Moses’ then gives the Israelites a command. The scripture states: “And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the Lord…The Lord shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace” (Exodus 14:13-14). Keep in mind that Moses is commanding the Israelites to stand still even as they are supposed to be walking across the Red Sea floor! This aspect of standing still and holding our peace is the very act of meditation itself. This is the way to salvation! The Psalmist reiterates this truth much later when he states: “Be still and know that I am God…” (Psalm 46:10). Always happy to see those who recognize Gnostic Paul. He was Gnostic and that is only way we can understand him. |
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User ID: 70662702 United Kingdom 08/27/2017 01:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To go the disciples and early Christians the "bible" was the old testament. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75441650 Noone in the the new testament actually believed they were "writing scripture". Whenever "scripture" is mentioned in the new testament, it is referring to the old testament full stop Yes please stop. You are wrong. Peter clearly said that Paul's writings were Scripture. 2 Peter 3 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. "And consider that the long-suffering of our Lord [His slowness in avenging wrongs and judging the world] is salvation [that which is conducive to the soul’s safety], even as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the spiritual insight given him, Speaking of this as he does in all of his letters. There are some things in those [epistles of Paul] that are difficult to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist and misconstrue to their own utter destruction, just as [they distort and misinterpret] the rest of the Scriptures." [2 Peter 3:15,16][AMPC] We're now just 5 weeks away from when God's wrath will destroy the earth! So it's no real surprise that ignorant and unstable souls are coming out in their droves! Be warned you're all being marked for utter destruction! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25082714 United Kingdom 08/27/2017 06:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To go the disciples and early Christians the "bible" was the old testament. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75441650 Noone in the the new testament actually believed they were "writing scripture". Whenever "scripture" is mentioned in the new testament, it is referring to the old testament full stop it wasn't for several hundred years that the RCC decided to dub books of the new testament as "scripture" on par with the old testament. Even though the authors of the NT books didn't consider their own writing on par with the old testament but hundreds of years later they are I choose to pay a lot more attention to the books in the NT written by disciples that actually knew Jesus. Everything else is subordinate to other NT books, and the entire NT is subordinate to the OT The OT was the ONLY bible that any person in the NT recognized as inspired/inerrant scripture, that is simply fact Jesus did NOT teach to read or follow the old testament. That should be obvious. Then why does Jesus constantly quote from the Old Testament?.. I guess you see what you want to see.. |
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User ID: 75399678 United Kingdom 08/27/2017 07:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To go the disciples and early Christians the "bible" was the old testament. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75441650 Noone in the the new testament actually believed they were "writing scripture". Whenever "scripture" is mentioned in the new testament, it is referring to the old testament full stop it wasn't for several hundred years that the RCC decided to dub books of the new testament as "scripture" on par with the old testament. Even though the authors of the NT books didn't consider their own writing on par with the old testament but hundreds of years later they are I choose to pay a lot more attention to the books in the NT written by disciples that actually knew Jesus. Everything else is subordinate to other NT books, and the entire NT is subordinate to the OT The OT was the ONLY bible that any person in the NT recognized as inspired/inerrant scripture, that is simply fact Jesus did NOT teach to read or follow the old testament. That should be obvious. Then why does Jesus constantly quote from the Old Testament?.. I guess you see what you want to see.. The Lord quoted from the Old Testament. So did all the Apostles, including Paul. You really have to be completely ignorant not to know this. This is what happens when Christians are spoon fed by lazy Pastors that quote only from the New Testament.They don't realize that the Old Testament from Genesis to Malachi is about Jesus Christ. But without the Holy Spirit's guidance the Old Testament is a locked book. That's why many Christians don't read it. When infact they should be studying it daily in order to grow spiritually mature in Christ. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25082714 United Kingdom 08/27/2017 07:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To go the disciples and early Christians the "bible" was the old testament. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75441650 Noone in the the new testament actually believed they were "writing scripture". Whenever "scripture" is mentioned in the new testament, it is referring to the old testament full stop it wasn't for several hundred years that the RCC decided to dub books of the new testament as "scripture" on par with the old testament. Even though the authors of the NT books didn't consider their own writing on par with the old testament but hundreds of years later they are I choose to pay a lot more attention to the books in the NT written by disciples that actually knew Jesus. Everything else is subordinate to other NT books, and the entire NT is subordinate to the OT The OT was the ONLY bible that any person in the NT recognized as inspired/inerrant scripture, that is simply fact Jesus did NOT teach to read or follow the old testament. That should be obvious. Then why does Jesus constantly quote from the Old Testament?.. I guess you see what you want to see.. The Lord quoted from the Old Testament. So did all the Apostles, including Paul. You really have to be completely ignorant not to know this. This is what happens when Christians are spoon fed by lazy Pastors that quote only from the New Testament.They don't realize that the Old Testament from Genesis to Malachi is about Jesus Christ. But without the Holy Spirit's guidance the Old Testament is a locked book. That's why many Christians don't read it. When infact they should be studying it daily in order to grow spiritually mature in Christ. I would love a pre-masoretic version of the old testament.. I view the two parts as like rungs on a ladder.. one establishes the other and progresses the understanding of the other as well... They have definately tampered with the old testament to make gods reasons for the purging of canaan as an act of sheer brutality so they can disconect people fromt the law of moses.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72498684 United States 08/27/2017 07:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let me first say I've wrestled with the Paul thing for quite some time and my jury is still out. Having said that, there are some definite problems with the Paul conversion on the road to Damascus. 1st we only have Paul's word of the account and scripturally every word must be confirmed by two or more witnesses. Where is the second witness? Next, show me one other person who did not repent of their sins and were basically forced by Jesus to accept His salvation and go on to be the great "apostle" of Christ. Wouldn't Jesus have at least given us a heads up that another apostle would come? Especially when Paul's writing constitutes two thirds of the new testament. Paul was not a nice person. He sought out Christians in order to have them killed. He was a big time anti Christ sinner. All examples of men like that always had their hearts hardened. When did Paul repent of his deeds? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 25082714 United Kingdom 08/27/2017 08:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ^^id hazard a guess that being turned blind for a while might have had a serious impact on his moral compass. And when he got to jerusalem he was scalded by the elders of he congregation there for preching against the law of moses.. To which he didnt reply and justbwent and did it... Plus if the holy spirit hadnt testified of him to peter and james i rekon they wouldnt have given him a second chance Acts 21:21-24 Telling a nazerene to shave off their locks is pretty serious But i know what you mean.. i had issues with paul for a long time as well... it has a lot to do with context and re-reading what he says a couple of times.. perfect test of the doctrine and a practise run |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10364389 United States 08/27/2017 08:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To go the disciples and early Christians the "bible" was the old testament. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75441650 Noone in the the new testament actually believed they were "writing scripture". Whenever "scripture" is mentioned in the new testament, it is referring to the old testament full stop it wasn't for several hundred years that the RCC decided to dub books of the new testament as "scripture" on par with the old testament. Even though the authors of the NT books didn't consider their own writing on par with the old testament but hundreds of years later they are I choose to pay a lot more attention to the books in the NT written by disciples that actually knew Jesus. Everything else is subordinate to other NT books, and the entire NT is subordinate to the OT The OT was the ONLY bible that any person in the NT recognized as inspired/inerrant scripture, that is simply fact Jesus did NOT teach to read or follow the old testament. That should be obvious. Then why does Jesus constantly quote from the Old Testament?.. I guess you see what you want to see.. Because he was dealing with chewis theocrats, insincere, corrupt frauds that used the o t like the weapon it was designed to be, then, and now, afraud and toxic to anyone else. If you are so simple and deluded you are beyond hope |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10364389 United States 08/27/2017 08:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let me first say I've wrestled with the Paul thing for quite some time and my jury is still out. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72498684 Having said that, there are some definite problems with the Paul conversion on the road to Damascus. 1st we only have Paul's word of the account and scripturally every word must be confirmed by two or more witnesses. Where is the second witness? Next, show me one other person who did not repent of their sins and were basically forced by Jesus to accept His salvation and go on to be the great "apostle" of Christ. Wouldn't Jesus have at least given us a heads up that another apostle would come? Especially when Paul's writing constitutes two thirds of the new testament. Paul was not a nice person. He sought out Christians in order to have them killed. He was a big time anti Christ sinner. All examples of men like that always had their hearts hardened. When did Paul repent of his deeds? I dont think he did. I think he just changed from destroying one at a time to destroying them all at once? I think he intended to derail it and weaken its principles |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25082714 United Kingdom 08/27/2017 08:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To go the disciples and early Christians the "bible" was the old testament. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75441650 Noone in the the new testament actually believed they were "writing scripture". Whenever "scripture" is mentioned in the new testament, it is referring to the old testament full stop it wasn't for several hundred years that the RCC decided to dub books of the new testament as "scripture" on par with the old testament. Even though the authors of the NT books didn't consider their own writing on par with the old testament but hundreds of years later they are I choose to pay a lot more attention to the books in the NT written by disciples that actually knew Jesus. Everything else is subordinate to other NT books, and the entire NT is subordinate to the OT The OT was the ONLY bible that any person in the NT recognized as inspired/inerrant scripture, that is simply fact Jesus did NOT teach to read or follow the old testament. That should be obvious. Then why does Jesus constantly quote from the Old Testament?.. I guess you see what you want to see.. Because he was dealing with chewis theocrats, insincere, corrupt frauds that used the o t like the weapon it was designed to be, then, and now, afraud and toxic to anyone else. If you are so simple and deluded you are beyond hope I might be simple and deluded... but pride cometh before a fall |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 10364389 United States 08/27/2017 08:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To go the disciples and early Christians the "bible" was the old testament. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75441650 Noone in the the new testament actually believed they were "writing scripture". Whenever "scripture" is mentioned in the new testament, it is referring to the old testament full stop Yes please stop. You are wrong. Peter clearly said that Paul's writings were Scripture. 2 Peter 3 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. "And consider that the long-suffering of our Lord [His slowness in avenging wrongs and judging the world] is salvation [that which is conducive to the soul’s safety], even as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the spiritual insight given him, Speaking of this as he does in all of his letters. There are some things in those [epistles of Paul] that are difficult to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist and misconstrue to their own utter destruction, just as [they distort and misinterpret] the rest of the Scriptures." [2 Peter 3:15,16][AMPC] We're now just 5 weeks away from when God's wrath will destroy the earth! So it's no real surprise that ignorant and unstable souls are coming out in their droves! Be warned you're all being marked for utter destruction! In 5 weeks, when youve been proven WRONG, what then? recalculate? wrong is wrong as is your focus on being right about things that are not your concern |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10364389 United States 08/27/2017 08:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To go the disciples and early Christians the "bible" was the old testament. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75441650 Noone in the the new testament actually believed they were "writing scripture". Whenever "scripture" is mentioned in the new testament, it is referring to the old testament full stop it wasn't for several hundred years that the RCC decided to dub books of the new testament as "scripture" on par with the old testament. Even though the authors of the NT books didn't consider their own writing on par with the old testament but hundreds of years later they are I choose to pay a lot more attention to the books in the NT written by disciples that actually knew Jesus. Everything else is subordinate to other NT books, and the entire NT is subordinate to the OT The OT was the ONLY bible that any person in the NT recognized as inspired/inerrant scripture, that is simply fact Jesus did NOT teach to read or follow the old testament. That should be obvious. Then why does Jesus constantly quote from the Old Testament?.. I guess you see what you want to see.. The Lord quoted from the Old Testament. So did all the Apostles, including Paul. You really have to be completely ignorant not to know this. This is what happens when Christians are spoon fed by lazy Pastors that quote only from the New Testament.They don't realize that the Old Testament from Genesis to Malachi is about Jesus Christ. But without the Holy Spirit's guidance the Old Testament is a locked book. That's why many Christians don't read it. When infact they should be studying it daily in order to grow spiritually mature in Christ. What you fail to 'get' is that the actual experts of the o t are the ones that saw none of Jesus in their own books, then or to this day. there is no need for the o t to exist, Christian principles are unique from and OPPOSITE of those in the o t . the o t is a fake and its believers at WAR of elimination with Christians for that reason. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10364389 United States 08/27/2017 08:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75344920 Jesus did NOT teach to read or follow the old testament. That should be obvious. Then why does Jesus constantly quote from the Old Testament?.. I guess you see what you want to see.. Because he was dealing with chewis theocrats, insincere, corrupt frauds that used the o t like the weapon it was designed to be, then, and now, afraud and toxic to anyone else. If you are so simple and deluded you are beyond hope I might be simple and deluded... but pride cometh before a fall You seem proud in your ignorance to me. You live in a world were you connect the unconnected. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 10364389 United States 08/27/2017 08:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus absolutely knew Paul (Saul of Tarsus), better read Acts 9:3-9. Dumb ass! Quoting: anonymous 71647481 I trust nothing unique sourced from Paul. I dont believe him, and furthermore the fact that he adds his own opinion makes what he says his own. Everything you need to know comes from Jesus. EITHER he is the singular sole source or he is no source at all. UNLESS he told of successors to come with amendments and updates, and he didnt, none should be expected. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 10364389 United States 08/27/2017 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What Jesus taught could be put on a single 3x5 card. Everything he said and did was direct and straight to the point. Lies need to hide in thousands of words and millions of letters. Truth does not, because truth is all around you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10364389 United States 08/27/2017 09:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul got love. Nothing much wrong with his writing. He was just a man though like everyone else. Not G-d, not messiah. But man, like you and me. Trying to make the best understanding of it Quoting: 589 True, and men make mistakes. And apostles can be wrong, as they were from time to time, even those who actually were there with Jesus, yet they still screwed up. their ONLY value is in relating what THEY saw Jesus do or heard Jesus say. Their opinions, any of their opionions outside of that are their own. OTHER than the ones Jesus said had editorial and interpretation rights. in other words NONE. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25082714 United Kingdom 08/27/2017 09:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact is that there is no need for heavy, dense books of arcane scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10364389 What Jesus taught could be put on a single 3x5 card. Everything he said and did was direct and straight to the point. Lies need to hide in thousands of words and millions of letters. Truth does not, because truth is all around you. ARCANE?... is your minister a freemason |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75431471 Italy 08/27/2017 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact is that there is no need for heavy, dense books of arcane scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10364389 What Jesus taught could be put on a single 3x5 card. Everything he said and did was direct and straight to the point. Lies need to hide in thousands of words and millions of letters. Truth does not, because truth is all around you. ARCANE?... is your minister a freemason It certainly sounds like it. Freemasonry and Catholicism are the enemies of biblical Christianity. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10364389 United States 08/27/2017 09:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact is that there is no need for heavy, dense books of arcane scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10364389 What Jesus taught could be put on a single 3x5 card. Everything he said and did was direct and straight to the point. Lies need to hide in thousands of words and millions of letters. Truth does not, because truth is all around you. ARCANE?... is your minister a freemason Connecting the unconnectable is a prerequisite for being a judeochristianity believer |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75333447 United States 08/27/2017 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact is that there is no need for heavy, dense books of arcane scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10364389 What Jesus taught could be put on a single 3x5 card. Everything he said and did was direct and straight to the point. Lies need to hide in thousands of words and millions of letters. Truth does not, because truth is all around you. ARCANE?... is your minister a freemason Did not Paul mentioned mysteries in his letters? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75333447 United States 08/27/2017 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact is that there is no need for heavy, dense books of arcane scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10364389 What Jesus taught could be put on a single 3x5 card. Everything he said and did was direct and straight to the point. Lies need to hide in thousands of words and millions of letters. Truth does not, because truth is all around you. Christ Jesus preached "the Kingdom is Near" as close as "within you" . Then, know yourself. |
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User ID: 74907903 Canada 08/27/2017 09:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | M't:12:31: Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. Paul's message to blah and Gentile was about how to prepare for being around when the time came for the conclusion of the bruise to the head from Ge:3:15. The cross was the final event associated with the bruise to the heel. The teachings should be different as they are different events. Peter would have been teaching the same material when he met with Gentiles in Acts:10. Last Edited by Wayfaring Stranger on 08/27/2017 09:22 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10364389 United States 08/27/2017 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact is that there is no need for heavy, dense books of arcane scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10364389 What Jesus taught could be put on a single 3x5 card. Everything he said and did was direct and straight to the point. Lies need to hide in thousands of words and millions of letters. Truth does not, because truth is all around you. ARCANE?... is your minister a freemason Did not Paul mentioned mysteries in his letters? The sad thing is that what some guy with a bad and otherwise questionable history wh , like BHO seems to refer to himself more consistently than anything else is the one being discussed. He would be so glad. He is not the real point. He serves no real or good purpose. His opinions, the right ones and the wrong one , are unimportant. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10364389 United States 08/27/2017 09:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact is that there is no need for heavy, dense books of arcane scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10364389 What Jesus taught could be put on a single 3x5 card. Everything he said and did was direct and straight to the point. Lies need to hide in thousands of words and millions of letters. Truth does not, because truth is all around you. Christ Jesus preached "the Kingdom is Near" as close as "within you" . Then, know yourself. But he didnt say, "stay tuned for the Saul of Tarsus roadshow, because hes got some break7ng updates", |