Christians and everyone else, do you accept Paul's gospel? It is of Christ

Elaine Bagels is dishonest and mediocre

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Of all of Paul's churches...none are mentioned in Revelation's Gentile churches except Ephesus which was praised for rejecting "false apostles".
how does that make sense when Paul was the supposed apostle to the gentiles?

Works mongers hate Paul. They hate him because he points men to Jesus Christ and Him alone for salvation. All works mongers have are their filthy rag works.

Yes, it seems like the people who hate Paul are either judaizers or pagan gnostics like elaine bagels.

THIS^^^^^^. Paul wants to enslave us again. He ruins the "Good News".

You're not making any sense.

Rightly divide the Word

Do you know what that means?

"Actions speak louder than words"...

So what is the "Good News"? No it's not just Salvation.

read her books, they are OK. On this one she either right or wrong. You can actually check a lot of things by yourself. I checked and I was satisfied. I think that she is correct about Paul in her book. Also I read some Gnostics/Theosophists comments on Paul - most of them agreed about Gnostic nature of Paul.

To go the disciples and early Christians the "bible" was the old testament.

Noone in the the new testament actually believed they were "writing scripture". Whenever "scripture" is mentioned in the new testament, it is referring to the old testament

full stop

it wasn't for several hundred years that the RCC decided to dub books of the new testament as "scripture" on par with the old testament. Even though the authors of the NT books didn't consider their own writing on par with the old testament
but hundreds of years later they are

I choose to pay a lot more attention to the books in the NT written by disciples that actually knew Jesus. Everything else is subordinate to other NT books, and the entire NT is subordinate to the OT

The OT was the ONLY bible that any person in the NT recognized as inspired/inerrant scripture, that is simply fact

I've read her in the past. She's nuts.

God told him what to write. What's the problem?

Then, if you are correct, Jesus could not control the future of Christianity. Paul is the founder of Christianity.

You're deluded. Jesus chose Paul for a reason. Paul, under direction of Jesus, was instrumental in separating Christianity from Judaism.

she is a scholar with her own opinion, But I was talking about one specific not very popular book "The Gnostic Paul".
Reading that book against Paul's letters and work it with information like found in here: gnosis.org/library/valentinus/
lead me to agree with her.

by 325 AD there were a very few people who were able to understand Paul's letters. now, 99% have no idea what Paul was talking about.

Yes, I accept all of the Bible as the word of God.

The bible is not the "Word of God". Jesus is the Word of God

period

lots of people decide to accept the NT as inspired/inerrant scripture...which is so bizarre because EVEN THE VERY AUTHORS of the NT did NOT consider what they wrote to be the inspired/inerrant scripture on par with the Old Testament. Seriously, let that sink in. It is what it is. The NT has value considering some of the people that wrote parts of it ACTUALLY knew Jesus in the flesh. The ones that did not know Him in the flesh were essentially just writing "Christian books" like you might by at the local Christian bookstore
Again just facts

when it comes to the destiny of your eternal soul, pay attention to the bible that Jesus Himself believed to be the bible, quoted from, and taught from. The OT
Next pay close attention to the NT books of authors that knew Him in the flesh. All the rest are just run of the mill "Christian books"

call me whatever names you want. But you can't disprove the facts

Christ Jesus defined role of OT in Matthew 5:20.

Not exactly, that verse merely makes a hyperbolic comparison to the Talmudic Pharisees. It was meant to shock the hearers, because the Pharisees were considered to be so righteous but in reality they broke the written torah all the time in favor of their oral torah/talmud that just added a bunch of extra nonsense burdens on top of the written law of Moses. The Pharisees added a bunch of garbage on top of the written torah and some of them tried to do the same to Christianity and to a great extent were successful. But the path is narrow...only a few will find it

SORRY to see so many still accepts the "false religious" attempts to control mankind. Step and own your sovereignty.

the was no Talmud then. Christ Jesus said that a change of consciousness required, e.g. “You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’ 22“But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court;"

Do you accept Peter's gospel?

No

No more than a church pastor.

Paul was a gnostic.

Also you should read up on him and Seneca.



Achieve Higher Mind:

Galatians 4:19

My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you,

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Remember that Paul also said in Romans that the Kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but righteousness, and joy, and peace in the Holy Ghost. But as Jesus said in Luke 17:21, this kingdom is within us, and to find it we must go within. The daily practice of getting still before the Lord in meditation will crucify the desire nature, and during this process the mind will naturally begin to receive manna.



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In order to illustrate the above truth for you, let’s start with the Apostle Paul’s comment on the Red Sea crossing and how it relates to baptism. He states:

“…our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea” (1 Cor. 10:1-2).......



Baptism is meditation. It’s that simple. And it’s for this reason that Paul is able to link the Red Sea crossing with baptism. Let’s review the details.

In recalling the story of the Exodus we see the Israelites camped by the sea when the Egyptians suddenly arrive on the horizon. God had hardened pharaoh’s heart once again and he was coming to destroy them. When the Israelites looked up and saw the Egyptians coming, they became afraid and started complaining. Moses’ then gives the Israelites a command. The scripture states:

“And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the Lord…The Lord shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace” (Exodus 14:13-14).

Keep in mind that Moses is commanding the Israelites to stand still even as they are supposed to be walking across the Red Sea floor!

This aspect of standing still and holding our peace is the very act of meditation itself. This is the way to salvation!

The Psalmist reiterates this truth much later when he states:

“Be still and know that I am God…” (Psalm 46:10).

Yes please stop. You are wrong. Peter clearly said that Paul's writings were Scripture.

2 Peter 3

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Nobody likes Saul, that's why Jesus chose Paul. Brother Paul is worthy of your respect and not this crap 2000 years later removed.

Jesus did NOT teach to read or follow the old testament.

That should be obvious.