Christians and everyone else, do you accept Paul's gospel? It is of Christ

Because Paul is very educated. He knew the scriptures more them most. He spoke Hebrew, Greek, Latin, etc. It does not mean they taught a different gospel. On the contrary Paul taught if anyone taught a different Gospel then they should be accursed, this would include Peter if the taught a different Gospel. Paul also taught that we should not be divided no matter who we listened to including himself.

1 Corinthians 10-13 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you?

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The word Gospel is only used once. The translators of the KJV inserted the 2nd word gospel in English even though it is not in the Greek. If you look at other bibles you will see the commentary that this was an added word.


Galatians 2:7 NIV On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised,a just as Peter had been to the circumcised.

Normally I do not read the NIV but the KJV added Gospel twice when it should have been once. Look at the Greek Lexicon for the native Greek and you will only see the word Good News once.

Once in several diff translations

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education had nothing to do with it... Peter spend 3 years on earth with Christ, why would he have a hard time understanding Paul's message to the Gentiles... and yes, Paul teaches that if anyone teaches a gospel different than HIS, he should be accursed...

Peter did not say that he had a hard time understanding Paul. He said the unlearned and wicked have a hard time understanding and then twist the words.

2Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Who brought us the dispensation of grace? Peter or Paul?
Ephesians 3
For this cause, I Paul am the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles. If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God, which is given me to youward, That is, that God by revelation hath showed this mystery unto me (as I wrote above in few words, ...

Paul does mention the dispensation of Grace but it is not plural dispensations like so many dispensationalists believe.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

James 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble

1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

1 Peter 4:10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God

1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

I do not get involved in deep discussions about Paul. Not my particular area of a calling. Glad that their are others who do discuss though, as I think it is important. To each their own particular area of ministry. Parts make a whole body, but may serve different functions.

That said, I do read threads on this topic of Paul and make observations and comments, although not detailed debate points about Paul. One observation I have made in reading several of these type of threads is that the subject of Paul seems to stir 2 particular sets of religious sects quite significantly, although not exclusively.

Judaism and Hebrew Roots.

There is a reason for that.

the grace of God and the dispensation of grace are two completely different things... not only did Paul bring this to the Gentiles, it was a hidden mystery given only to him, meaning Peter didn't have a clue... he was still going to temple, under the law, sacrifices are still going on... Nothing has changed for Peter and the other 11 other then believing Christ was the son of God... all priesthood
When the Holy Spirit tells us that Paul is our apostle, why don't you believe it... Christ COMMANDED the 12 NOT to take his message to the gentile world...why do you think it's to you??

Save your breath, y'all, he's just repeating himself over and over.

Do you actually believe that Peter who along with Paul and the other apostles had the Holy Spirit did not know about Grace?

Paul also was still going to the feasts and the temple. Read Acts. At one point he leaves the synagogue in hopes that he will return after the feast.

Christ did command that the 11, not 12 take the word to the Gentiles and the world. This happened after his resurrection.

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I believe everything Paul says. I just believe like Peter says that Paul is hard to understand and twisted by the unlearned and wicked. I actually find Paul easy to understand.

the stoning of Stephan happened 7 years after the crucifixion... show me where the jews are going the gentiles... no, they were doing EXACTLY as Christ commanded and DIDN'T go to the gentiles...

Acts 19 "And they which were scattered abroad because of the affliction that arose about Stephen, went throughout till they came unto Phonicia and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to no man, but unto the Jews only.

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To the born again believer, Paul is easy to understand. I too understand. That said, Jesus is the stumbling block, not Paul. That is what is at the root of the resistance to Paul. It's not really about Paul once one looks beyond the man Paul and runs smack into Jesus Christ.

Every time. Comes down to that name. One name.

You may or may not agree with that.

Where does it say stephen died 7 years after the crucifixion? Also Paul was not preaching to the gentiles at this time either. He was holding the coats of the people stoning Stephen.

I see many have a hard time believing Paul. They either do not believe him at all or many just do not understand him.

I also have no problem with people using the name Jesus. God will teach us all his correct name one day.

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And Jesus wasn't, and actually about the only people he was critical of was the type Paul was before converting. Even if Paul's teachings have some truth probably also worth keeping that in mind

Oh, okay. So, Jesus is not a name that you would personally use.

That is interesting. Paul used that name. How do you reason that?

Curious where you are coming from with that.

Where does it Jesus in the greek? Ieosuos, Yahoshua neither which are the english Jesus.

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The Greek.

Okay, I get where you are coming from now, for the most part and on that specific question.

Thank you.

God doesn't turn to Paul until after the stoning of Stephen when Israel finally rejects the priesthood, and Christ as their king,... this is where we are introduced to Paul... After he escapes Damascus, he spends 3 years in the desert learning from Christ himself about the mysteries, the body of Christ, and salvation through faith alone in Christ... the dispensation of grace, not of law... Christ never released Peter or the others from the law...never told them their salvation was based on his death,burial and resurrection... not even during the 40 days he walked with them after the resurrection...

The Spirit tells us Paul is our Apostle... not Peter or any of those in Jerusalem... separate the message to the priesthood and the message to the body... believe GOD when he tells you Paul is your apostle and its by HIS gospel (message) you are saved...

Christ had 2 three year ministries... his 3 year earthly ministry to the priesthood... and his 3 year heavenly ministry he spent with Paul...

Not true.

Mat 16:21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Jesus did teach them.

The rest of what you posted I have never heard of so please post some scriptures backing your position.

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The word of GOD is always true. The death of Christ is foretold by the prophets.
Christ was trying to establish the promised priesthood to Israel with him as their king...

"The Lord calleth Aaron and his sons to the Priesthood."

"And shalt anoint them as thou didst anoint their father, that they may minister unto me in the Priest’s office: for their anointing shall be a sign, that the Priesthood shall be everlasting unto them throughout their generations."

"And the Priesthood shall be their inheritance, yea, I am their inheritance: therefore shall ye give them no possession in Israel, for I am their possession."

"For verily they which are the children of Levi, which receive the office of the Priesthood, have a commandment to take, according to the Law, tithes of the people (that is, of their brethren) though they came out of the loins of Abraham."

"Ye also as lively stones, be made a spiritual house, an holy Priesthood to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God by Jesus Christ."

"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal Priesthood, an holy nation, a people set at liberty, that ye should show forth the virtues of him that hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light,"

"Now I say, that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision, for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers." See anything Gentile in this statement??

Once Israel rejected the priesthood, at the stoning of Stephen, Paul spends 3 years at Mt. Sinai learning about the gospel of grace... Israel has been blinded to this truth

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this secret (lest ye should be arrogant in yourselves) that partly obstinacy is come to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be [am]come in."

" But when it pleased God (which had separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by his grace.) To reveal his Son in me, that I should preach him among the Gentiles immediately, I communicated not with flesh and blood:
Neither came I again to Jerusalem to them which were Apostles before me, but I went into Arabia, and turned again unto Damascus.Then after three years I came again to Jerusalem, to visit Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. And none other of the Apostles saw I, save James the Lord’s brother."

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The wolf of Benjamin

He wasn't an Apostle, therefore he had zero Authority

...you are so lost...

"If the Gospel be then hid, it is hid to them that are lost."

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds, that is, of the infidels, that the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ, which is the image of God, should not shine unto them."

Only 12 Apostles, he never even met Christ. Christ was dead and risen long before he claimed to be a Christian. The Truth hurts.

I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: Revelation 2:2

Removing Paul from the Bible (that's what you have to do if Paul is "false") means that the Bible is somehow imperfect and flawed. This would be acceptable to those who do not believe that the Bible is, in its totality, the explicit and perfect Word of God.

So, really what we have here is some saying that the Bible (in parts) cannot be trusted for whatever reason. They may say that man fooled with the Bible and placed false things in it, etc. Or, whatever other reason one can think up.

Then, you have those who will say that you can remove parts of the Bible and take in other parts. In this case, the vast section written by Paul. Maybe other parts that one might self-determine need to be dismissed.

Then, there are those who believe that the Bible, in its totality, is the actual Word of God. All of it.

Behind Paul is a deeper issue, IMO.

so you think GOD'S word has lies in it, you call GOD a lier... you are an abomination in his sight..