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Christians and everyone else, do you accept Paul's gospel? It is of Christ

 
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Why do you not believe Jesus and Paul?

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 Quoting: Achduke7


Bad Karma -> 8/1/2018 Thanks for not posting for a while


No thanks for the bad karma. Just the same why do you not believe Jesus?
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Why don't you believe Jesus when he says his message is to the pure Jew only, not even the Samaritans,( mixed Jew ). Hint: He's dealing with the priesthood during his 3.5 years on earth and you had to be a PURE Jew to be in the priesthood.

Why don't you believe the Holy Spirit when he says PAUL is the Apostle of the Gentiles, and that it's by HIS gospel we find salvation.

Why don't you believe?
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


Paul was an apostle to the Gentiles but Peter stated he was also. Later it was decided that Peter would focus on the circumcised and Paul on the uncircumcised. It was the same gospel preached to both groups it was how the message was presented. Paul also taught the Jews.

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

ONE gospel.
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So, what does it say about the character of a person when they call another person out, by name, on a thread where they are not posting and have no idea if they are reading?

I'm here now, and I saw that.

Wow. That's pretty low.
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Why do you not believe Jesus and Paul?

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 Quoting: Achduke7


Bad Karma -> 8/1/2018 Thanks for not posting for a while


No thanks for the bad karma. Just the same why do you not believe Jesus?
 Quoting: Achduke7


What happened to your previous account, Archduke7?

Too much bad karma, wanted to start afresh? Don't worry about what other people think of you, it only matters what God thinks.

Spread the gospel of salvation. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
 Quoting: Expose ALL Shills


Bad karma does not bother me I will wear it with a badge of honor but it does let me know that you lost the argument and the only recourse you have left is to give out bad karma.

In any case I have the same account. I have never been Archduke7 I have always been Achduke7 with no "R" but I can see you never see or hear.
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When you continue to spread heretical doctrine I will call you out on it.

We are not saved by baptism, as you repeatedly claimed. We are saved solely by faith in the blood atonement of Christ for our sins. Why do you not spread this message of good news?

Romans 3:25
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Here it is:

Don't fret Achduke7.

Laughing Falcon and a few others have the "Paulinism"...

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Which takes what Paul says OVER what Jesus says.

Paul's no better than the other Apostles.

Thread: ONE Gospel - FROM God - THRU Jesus - Taught by ALL of the Apostles - NOT Just Paul - Bible Study
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Behavior noted.
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Bad Karma -> 8/1/2018 Thanks for not posting for a while


No thanks for the bad karma. Just the same why do you not believe Jesus?
 Quoting: Achduke7


What happened to your previous account, Archduke7?

Too much bad karma, wanted to start afresh? Don't worry about what other people think of you, it only matters what God thinks.

Spread the gospel of salvation. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
 Quoting: Expose ALL Shills


Bad karma does not bother me I will wear it with a badge of honor but it does let me know that you lost the argument and the only recourse you have left is to give out bad karma.

In any case I have the same account. I have never been Archduke7 I have always been Achduke7 with no "R" but I can see you never see or hear.
 Quoting: Achduke7


When you continue to spread heretical doctrine I will call you out on it.

We are not saved by baptism, as you repeatedly claimed. We are saved solely by faith in the blood atonement of Christ for our sins. Why do you not spread this message of good news?

Romans 3:25
 Quoting: Expose ALL Shills


Have I ever said water baptism? If you do not have the Holy Spirit you are not saved.

Btw, How does it feel not to be able to hide behind your Anonymous Coward and have to use your Shill name?

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Bad Karma -> 8/1/2018 Thanks for not posting for a while


No thanks for the bad karma. Just the same why do you not believe Jesus?
 Quoting: Achduke7


Why don't you believe Jesus when he says his message is to the pure Jew only, not even the Samaritans,( mixed Jew ). Hint: He's dealing with the priesthood during his 3.5 years on earth and you had to be a PURE Jew to be in the priesthood.

Why don't you believe the Holy Spirit when he says PAUL is the Apostle of the Gentiles, and that it's by HIS gospel we find salvation.

Why don't you believe?
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


Paul was an apostle to the Gentiles but Peter stated he was also. Later it was decided that Peter would focus on the circumcised and Paul on the uncircumcised. It was the same gospel preached to both groups it was how the message was presented. Paul also taught the Jews.

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

ONE gospel.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


What is the gospel for us today? Can you cite just one passage please?
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Expose ALL Shills,

Truth does not need forcing. It simply is.

You understand this.

God bless you.
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The question remains the same, we would still have to do WORKS to not take the mark.

Then, what is this grace through faith that the apostles speak of in the New Testament?

The Bible becomes nonsensical according to that thinking.
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When you have the Holy Spirit then you produce good fruit. IE good works. Those that are saved do good works. They were not saved from doing good works but just the same they still do them. We do not get saved and then go off and purposefully do evil.
 Quoting: Achduke7


And how do we now get sealed with the Holy Spirit?

By not taking the mark, and works? This is the question which you and Osmium are keen to avoid.
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Not so. You do not take the mark because you are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Do you not know how the Holy Spirit comes to you?

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
 Quoting: Achduke7


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What happened to your previous account, Archduke7?

Too much bad karma, wanted to start afresh? Don't worry about what other people think of you, it only matters what God thinks.

Spread the gospel of salvation. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
 Quoting: Expose ALL Shills


Bad karma does not bother me I will wear it with a badge of honor but it does let me know that you lost the argument and the only recourse you have left is to give out bad karma.

In any case I have the same account. I have never been Archduke7 I have always been Achduke7 with no "R" but I can see you never see or hear.
 Quoting: Achduke7


When you continue to spread heretical doctrine I will call you out on it.

We are not saved by baptism, as you repeatedly claimed. We are saved solely by faith in the blood atonement of Christ for our sins. Why do you not spread this message of good news?

Romans 3:25
 Quoting: Expose ALL Shills


Have I ever said water baptism? If you do not have the Holy Spirit you are not saved.

Btw, How does it feel not to be able to hide behind your Anonymous Coward and have to use your Shill name?
 Quoting: Achduke7

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Expose ALL Shills,

Truth does not need forcing. It simply is.

You understand this.

God bless you.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


I have to go to work, need a break anyways. God bless you too, and blessings also to duke, photina and lordsservant. Blessings to all in Jesus' name.
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When you have the Holy Spirit then you produce good fruit. IE good works. Those that are saved do good works. They were not saved from doing good works but just the same they still do them. We do not get saved and then go off and purposefully do evil.
 Quoting: Achduke7


And how do we now get sealed with the Holy Spirit?

By not taking the mark, and works? This is the question which you and Osmium are keen to avoid.
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Not so. You do not take the mark because you are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Do you not know how the Holy Spirit comes to you?

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
 Quoting: Achduke7


...


Bad karma does not bother me I will wear it with a badge of honor but it does let me know that you lost the argument and the only recourse you have left is to give out bad karma.

In any case I have the same account. I have never been Archduke7 I have always been Achduke7 with no "R" but I can see you never see or hear.
 Quoting: Achduke7


When you continue to spread heretical doctrine I will call you out on it.

We are not saved by baptism, as you repeatedly claimed. We are saved solely by faith in the blood atonement of Christ for our sins. Why do you not spread this message of good news?

Romans 3:25
 Quoting: Expose ALL Shills


Have I ever said water baptism? If you do not have the Holy Spirit you are not saved.

Btw, How does it feel not to be able to hide behind your Anonymous Coward and have to use your Shill name?
 Quoting: Achduke7

 Quoting: Expose ALL Shills


Where do I say water baptism is necessary? I quoted a verse that uses the word baptism in the sentence and talks about receiving the Holy Spirit. What is the end result? Receiving the Holy Spirit. Baptism in the Holy Spirit is necessary. Where is water even mention in that verse?
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Expose ALL Shills,

Truth does not need forcing. It simply is.

You understand this.

God bless you.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


I have to go to work, need a break anyways. God bless you too, and blessings also to duke, photina and lordsservant. Blessings to all in Jesus' name.
 Quoting: Expose ALL Shills


Which Jesus? The Quranic Jesus? The Catholic trinitarian Jesus (yours)? The Mormon Jesus? The gnostic Jesus? Or the Biblical Jesus (the Son of God)?

Last Edited by Photina on 08/01/2018 01:52 PM
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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So, what does it say about the character of a person when they call another person out, by name, on a thread where they are not posting and have no idea if they are reading?

I'm here now, and I saw that.

Wow. That's pretty low.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


I didn't call out your character.

I called out what you are professing to be truth of scripture.

You make no effort to address the points I make, and you never answer the questions I pose.

whatever
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Expose ALL Shills,

Truth does not need forcing. It simply is.

You understand this.

God bless you.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


I have to go to work, need a break anyways. God bless you too, and blessings also to duke, photina and lordsservant. Blessings to all in Jesus' name.
 Quoting: Expose ALL Shills


Have a Blessed day at work.
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Here it is:

Don't fret Achduke7.

Laughing Falcon and a few others have the "Paulinism"...

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Which takes what Paul says OVER what Jesus says.

Paul's no better than the other Apostles.

Thread: ONE Gospel - FROM God - THRU Jesus - Taught by ALL of the Apostles - NOT Just Paul - Bible Study
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Behavior noted.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


You didn't bother to address anything that I posted.

You rarely do.

whatever
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So, what does it say about the character of a person when they call another person out, by name, on a thread where they are not posting and have no idea if they are reading?

I'm here now, and I saw that.

Wow. That's pretty low.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


I didn't call out your character.

I called out what you are professing to be truth of scripture.

You make no effort to address the points I make, and you never answer the questions I pose.


 Quoting: TheLordsServant


You're absolutely right. You did not call out my character because I am not the person here who called out another poster, by name, who was not present. You did that.

This type of thing that you did is underhanded because the person is not present in order to speak on their own behalf. It's low and deceitful.

I only call out people when they do something that is underhanded and devious. I do that so that others can see what they are dealing with and take caution when dealing with such people. And, so that the person behaving in that manner (dishonestly) knows that I am on to them.

Now, that is all I am going to say on the matter because this is not my thread. I would have said it to you on your own thread, but you delete my posts for no other reason than you do not like my posts.

We are done talking LS.
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So, what does it say about the character of a person when they call another person out, by name, on a thread where they are not posting and have no idea if they are reading?

I'm here now, and I saw that.

Wow. That's pretty low.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


I didn't call out your character.

I called out what you are professing to be truth of scripture.

You make no effort to address the points I make, and you never answer the questions I pose.


 Quoting: TheLordsServant


You're absolutely right. You did not call out my character because I am not the person here who called out another poster, by name, who was not present. You did that.

This type of thing that you did is underhanded because the person is not present in order to speak on their own behalf. It's low and deceitful.

I only call out people when they do something that is underhanded and devious. I do that so that others can see what they are dealing with and take caution when dealing with such people. And, so that the person behaving in that manner (dishonestly) knows that I am on to them.

Now, that is all I am going to say on the matter because this is not my thread. I would have said it to you on your own thread, but you delete my posts for no other reason than you do not like my posts.

We are done talking LS.
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The finger you point at me ALSO points back to you.

People start topics with a quote from another thread all the time.

It does not matter what you think of me personally. This is not a contest to get personal followers / likes / karma etc...

It's ironic...even telling...that the ONLY times you quote Jesus is when WHAT He says supports YOUR personal theology.
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The way I see it, a careful objective reading of Acts serves more as an expose' of Paul as false, rather than with the usual bias of Paul=good interpretation, a glorification of his own converstion story and his rightousness in God's eyes. In Acts and throughout his Epistles Paul is set down as an example of someone feverishly trying to please God yet somehow remains blind to his own ego being in charge as he leads others astray.

Jesus/Yahshua Messiah reveals the core principles of His Father's Law in a manner which any willing heart could understand and aim towards following. The Talmud and Hadith are both examples of the same chaos that Paul's letters can lead to when we consider all they say as divinely inspired. Only on steroids, in their case, for extremists of either side.

On discovery of Paul being false one tantamount to life or death lesson consistently being overlooked is the fatal error of ascribing God's authority to the words of men. The NT viewed in this light would become an eternal teaching for all of us.
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The way I see it, a careful objective reading of Acts serves more as an expose' of Paul as false, rather than with the usual bias of Paul=good interpretation, a glorification of his own converstion story and his rightousness in God's eyes. In Acts and throughout his Epistles Paul is set down as an example of someone feverishly trying to please God yet somehow remains blind to his own ego being in charge as he leads others astray.

Jesus/Yahshua Messiah reveals the core principles of His Father's Law in a manner which any willing heart could understand and aim towards following. The Talmud and Hadith are both examples of the same chaos that Paul's letters can lead to when we consider all they say as divinely inspired. Only on steroids, in their case, for extremists of either side.

On discovery of Paul being false one tantamount to life or death lesson consistently being overlooked is the fatal error of ascribing God's authority to the words of men. The NT viewed in this light would become an eternal teaching for all of us.
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


It seems that the issue of Paul is of some importance to you as is evident from your posting content and your sig. If one is to read your post carefully, there are many clues as to why.

I'm suggesting that this is not a casual subject for you. And, one has to wonder at the degree of importance (for good or bad) you place upon this man Paul.
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Someday, the code to a Microsoft program will be analyzed the same way by people desperate to find meaning in the string of numbers and jumble of text. But without a computer to run it on, it makes no sense.
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The way I see it, a careful objective reading of Acts serves more as an expose' of Paul as false, rather than with the usual bias of Paul=good interpretation, a glorification of his own converstion story and his rightousness in God's eyes. In Acts and throughout his Epistles Paul is set down as an example of someone feverishly trying to please God yet somehow remains blind to his own ego being in charge as he leads others astray.

Jesus/Yahshua Messiah reveals the core principles of His Father's Law in a manner which any willing heart could understand and aim towards following. The Talmud and Hadith are both examples of the same chaos that Paul's letters can lead to when we consider all they say as divinely inspired. Only on steroids, in their case, for extremists of either side.

On discovery of Paul being false one tantamount to life or death lesson consistently being overlooked is the fatal error of ascribing God's authority to the words of men. The NT viewed in this light would become an eternal teaching for all of us.
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


Divinely inspired doesn't mean that every word is that of God Himself nor even Jesus.

That basic difference in understanding scripture is what allows us to see what Paul says in the correct interpretation.

Paul's letters show us that he struggled, though differently, than the interactions between Jesus and Peter in the 4 Gospels...and even at the beginning of Acts.

And for that matter...how ALL the original Apostles AND disciples had struggled at various points.

Some even stopped following Jesus.
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The way I see it, a careful objective reading of Acts serves more as an expose' of Paul as false, rather than with the usual bias of Paul=good interpretation, a glorification of his own converstion story and his rightousness in God's eyes. In Acts and throughout his Epistles Paul is set down as an example of someone feverishly trying to please God yet somehow remains blind to his own ego being in charge as he leads others astray.

Jesus/Yahshua Messiah reveals the core principles of His Father's Law in a manner which any willing heart could understand and aim towards following. The Talmud and Hadith are both examples of the same chaos that Paul's letters can lead to when we consider all they say as divinely inspired. Only on steroids, in their case, for extremists of either side.

On discovery of Paul being false one tantamount to life or death lesson consistently being overlooked is the fatal error of ascribing God's authority to the words of men. The NT viewed in this light would become an eternal teaching for all of us.
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


It seems that the issue of Paul is of some importance to you as is evident from your posting content and your sig. If one is to read your post carefully, there are many clues as to why.

I'm suggesting that this is not a casual subject for you. And, one has to wonder at the degree of importance (for good or bad) you place upon this man Paul.
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Once it's discovered Paul is credited for authoring half the books of the NT, why should I not?
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Bad Karma -> 8/1/2018 Thanks for not posting for a while


No thanks for the bad karma. Just the same why do you not believe Jesus?
 Quoting: Achduke7


Why don't you believe Jesus when he says his message is to the pure Jew only, not even the Samaritans,( mixed Jew ). Hint: He's dealing with the priesthood during his 3.5 years on earth and you had to be a PURE Jew to be in the priesthood.

Why don't you believe the Holy Spirit when he says PAUL is the Apostle of the Gentiles, and that it's by HIS gospel we find salvation.

Why don't you believe?
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


Paul was an apostle to the Gentiles but Peter stated he was also. Later it was decided that Peter would focus on the circumcised and Paul on the uncircumcised. It was the same gospel preached to both groups it was how the message was presented. Paul also taught the Jews.

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

ONE gospel.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Galations 2:7 "But contrariwise, when they saw that the Gospel over the uncircumcision was committed unto me (Paul), as the Gospel over the circumcision was unto Peter:

Looks like two gospels to me...
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The way I see it, a careful objective reading of Acts serves more as an expose' of Paul as false, rather than with the usual bias of Paul=good interpretation, a glorification of his own converstion story and his rightousness in God's eyes. In Acts and throughout his Epistles Paul is set down as an example of someone feverishly trying to please God yet somehow remains blind to his own ego being in charge as he leads others astray.

Jesus/Yahshua Messiah reveals the core principles of His Father's Law in a manner which any willing heart could understand and aim towards following. The Talmud and Hadith are both examples of the same chaos that Paul's letters can lead to when we consider all they say as divinely inspired. Only on steroids, in their case, for extremists of either side.

On discovery of Paul being false one tantamount to life or death lesson consistently being overlooked is the fatal error of ascribing God's authority to the words of men. The NT viewed in this light would become an eternal teaching for all of us.
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


Divinely inspired doesn't mean that every word is that of God Himself nor even Jesus.

That basic difference in understanding scripture is what allows us to see what Paul says in the correct interpretation.

Paul's letters show us that he struggled, though differently, than the interactions between Jesus and Peter in the 4 Gospels...and even at the beginning of Acts.

And for that matter...how ALL the original Apostles AND disciples had struggled at various points.

Some even stopped following Jesus.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


My position holds that anyone fully steeped in the 4 Gospels message has almost nothing to fear from Paul's writings and will even find his letters oftentimes inspirational. OTOH Church history from the 4th century onward belies the shape of Paul's "I'm saved, be like me" influence.
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Why don't you believe Jesus when he says his message is to the pure Jew only, not even the Samaritans,( mixed Jew ). Hint: He's dealing with the priesthood during his 3.5 years on earth and you had to be a PURE Jew to be in the priesthood.

Why don't you believe the Holy Spirit when he says PAUL is the Apostle of the Gentiles, and that it's by HIS gospel we find salvation.

Why don't you believe?
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


Paul was an apostle to the Gentiles but Peter stated he was also. Later it was decided that Peter would focus on the circumcised and Paul on the uncircumcised. It was the same gospel preached to both groups it was how the message was presented. Paul also taught the Jews.

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

ONE gospel.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Galations 2:7 "But contrariwise, when they saw that the Gospel over the uncircumcision was committed unto me (Paul), as the Gospel over the circumcision was unto Peter:

Looks like two gospels to me...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


Peter preached to the Jews. It's saying.
Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands. You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. Nevertheless, they were disobedient and rebelled against you and cast your law behind their back and killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you, and they committed great blasphemies.
Nehemiah 9:30,20,26, ESV
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Why do you not believe Jesus and Paul?

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 Quoting: Achduke7


Bad Karma -> 8/1/2018 Thanks for not posting for a while


No thanks for the bad karma. Just the same why do you not believe Jesus?
 Quoting: Achduke7


Why don't you believe Jesus when he says his message is to the pure Jew only, not even the Samaritans,( mixed Jew ). Hint: He's dealing with the priesthood during his 3.5 years on earth and you had to be a PURE Jew to be in the priesthood.

Why don't you believe the Holy Spirit when he says PAUL is the Apostle of the Gentiles, and that it's by HIS gospel we find salvation.

Why don't you believe?
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


Paul was an apostle to the Gentiles but Peter stated he was also. Later it was decided that Peter would focus on the circumcised and Paul on the uncircumcised. It was the same gospel preached to both groups it was how the message was presented. Paul also taught the Jews.

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
 Quoting: Achduke7


I'd like you to back that up with scripture since Peter tells us(in 2Peter)at the end of his life Pauls doctrine was hard to understand... WHY would that be if they were preaching the same doctrine...?
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The way I see it, a careful objective reading of Acts serves more as an expose' of Paul as false, rather than with the usual bias of Paul=good interpretation, a glorification of his own converstion story and his rightousness in God's eyes. In Acts and throughout his Epistles Paul is set down as an example of someone feverishly trying to please God yet somehow remains blind to his own ego being in charge as he leads others astray.

Jesus/Yahshua Messiah reveals the core principles of His Father's Law in a manner which any willing heart could understand and aim towards following. The Talmud and Hadith are both examples of the same chaos that Paul's letters can lead to when we consider all they say as divinely inspired. Only on steroids, in their case, for extremists of either side.

On discovery of Paul being false one tantamount to life or death lesson consistently being overlooked is the fatal error of ascribing God's authority to the words of men. The NT viewed in this light would become an eternal teaching for all of us.
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


It seems that the issue of Paul is of some importance to you as is evident from your posting content and your sig. If one is to read your post carefully, there are many clues as to why.

I'm suggesting that this is not a casual subject for you. And, one has to wonder at the degree of importance (for good or bad) you place upon this man Paul.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon

Once it's discovered Paul is credited for authoring half the books of the NT, why should I not?
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


There is concern for issues, and then there is beyond that.
What is beyond that, if in fact it is beyond that, varies greatly depending upon background, purpose, belief system, etc.
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Paul was an apostle to the Gentiles but Peter stated he was also. Later it was decided that Peter would focus on the circumcised and Paul on the uncircumcised. It was the same gospel preached to both groups it was how the message was presented. Paul also taught the Jews.

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

ONE gospel.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Galations 2:7 "But contrariwise, when they saw that the Gospel over the uncircumcision was committed unto me (Paul), as the Gospel over the circumcision was unto Peter:

Looks like two gospels to me...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


Peter preached to the Jews. It's saying.
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no... that's not what it's saying at all... it's saying Paul had a gospel to the Gentile world and Peter had a gospel to the Jews... THAT"S what it's saying... this is absolutely the root of "rightly dividing the truth" Two truths to two completely different groups of people... the priesthood under the law... and the body of Christ which are his co-heirs...

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The way I see it, a careful objective reading of Acts serves more as an expose' of Paul as false, rather than with the usual bias of Paul=good interpretation, a glorification of his own converstion story and his rightousness in God's eyes. In Acts and throughout his Epistles Paul is set down as an example of someone feverishly trying to please God yet somehow remains blind to his own ego being in charge as he leads others astray.

Jesus/Yahshua Messiah reveals the core principles of His Father's Law in a manner which any willing heart could understand and aim towards following. The Talmud and Hadith are both examples of the same chaos that Paul's letters can lead to when we consider all they say as divinely inspired. Only on steroids, in their case, for extremists of either side.

On discovery of Paul being false one tantamount to life or death lesson consistently being overlooked is the fatal error of ascribing God's authority to the words of men. The NT viewed in this light would become an eternal teaching for all of us.
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


It seems that the issue of Paul is of some importance to you as is evident from your posting content and your sig. If one is to read your post carefully, there are many clues as to why.

I'm suggesting that this is not a casual subject for you. And, one has to wonder at the degree of importance (for good or bad) you place upon this man Paul.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon

Once it's discovered Paul is credited for authoring half the books of the NT, why should I not?
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


There is concern for issues, and then there is beyond that.
What is beyond that, if in fact it is beyond that, varies greatly depending upon background, purpose, belief system, etc.
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You seem concerned I'm too concerned. That's novel. While you're so into my history, check the dates as well. Too active and focused over the years ya think? 1dunno1Yes I see Paul as a key issue that needs to be fully addressed and understood. Is that a problem for you?
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It seems that the issue of Paul is of some importance to you as is evident from your posting content and your sig. If one is to read your post carefully, there are many clues as to why.

I'm suggesting that this is not a casual subject for you. And, one has to wonder at the degree of importance (for good or bad) you place upon this man Paul.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon

Once it's discovered Paul is credited for authoring half the books of the NT, why should I not?
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


There is concern for issues, and then there is beyond that.
What is beyond that, if in fact it is beyond that, varies greatly depending upon background, purpose, belief system, etc.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon

You seem concerned I'm too concerned. That's novel. While you're so into my history, check the dates as well. Too active and focused over the years ya think? 1dunno1Yes I see Paul as a key issue that needs to be fully addressed and understood. Is that a problem for you?
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I don't know your history.

As to your interest in Paul being a problem for me? No.





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