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AC 186930. . .
I daresay that all this you've been quoting sounds like what's called Universalism (flavored with a little Manifest Sons, no less), and takes us right back to the serpent's original lie of "You will not surely die."
I will continue to read through your posts, though.

The disciples asked Jesus how they can know the time of His coming and the end, and the first thing He said was "Take heed that no one deceives you."

Jesus mentioned hell substantially more often than heaven. I don't think that's insignificant.
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I hate to place a label on it as labels in the past have painted the entire crowd with the same brush. But if Universalism means that All men will eventually be saved then that is what I believe.

The wages of sin is death. I am not denying that, but if Jesus said that death was meant to mean burning in hellfire eternally, then how could He have made a payment for the sin of the world, and not be burning in hell eternally. If He has made sufficient payment with His own life for all sin by becoming sin and hell had no power over Him, then how is the payment made.

I am not disagreeing that there is a symbolic lake of fire either, but it is not eternal as we understand eternal. There is a purpose in the lake of fire, and that is the same purpose as why gold is purified in fire.

I was saved, born again in 1979. For 2 years I never knew what a born again christian was. I called on the name of Jesus one night while I was alone in my cell. The Lord led me for two years until I came into a small Spirit filled church. For the next ten years of sitting in many different churches I thought I had to maintain this salvation I had been given. For the first two years I never even knew I was saved, (but I knew I was different than I was before inside) In the first two years, I didn't know I was saved because I didn't know what saved was. I didn't know I was a Christian, because I never went to church and I thougt that christians were those who attended to church. Then about 15 years ago I was given a revelation of God's grace and how no matter what i did, His grace could not fail me, At that time The lord spoke to me about not speaking about hellfire as that wasn't how He could draw men to Him. Even though I knew that the Lord didn't want me to speak regarding this but wanted men to understand His love instead, I still believed that hell was the penalty mankind received for rejecting His love. I studied about hellfire and could still justify in my learnings that hellfire was biblical. But last year the lord brought a deeper revelation to me regarding hellfire doctrine after about six months pf studing and praying and seeking Him for what His Truth was on this.

There are many good teachers out there that have spent great efforts translating scripture and also seeking the Lord on this.

If anyone is wanting to dig into this topic deeper, there is some good websites that teach on the many doctrines that have been cemented in our minds from the church.

But like I said this is something that you will have to receive from The Spirit and continue in researching and prayer. It took me at leadt 6 months of studying and praying and comparing scripture to finally come to this agreement.
 
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