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Hmmm - I think it would be fair to say that the impression given by the media is that Grenfell Tower was a bit of a shabby shithole, full of immigrants on Housing benefit.

Take a look at this. It's a listing for a 2 bed flat in the Tower, which was available from May 2017.

Pretty luxurious by anyone's standards wouldn't you say?

[link to www.rightmove.co.uk]

Rent was £395 pw and it clearly says 'No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants' - somewhat ironic as it was an ex council/social housing block.
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And again only specific flats were privately owned
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To the person who said it was lies about Residents being on the board of KCTMO:

The KCTMO Board is made up of 15 Members comprising of eight residents, four Council appointed members and three independent members.
[link to www.kctmo.org.uk]



More about Emma Dent Coad the newly elected MP.

She is a member of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.


She is an opposition member of Kensington and Chelsea London Borough Council, which owns Grenfell Tower, and was formerly a council-appointed board member of KCTMO, which manages the council's housing stock.
In 2013/4 she was a member of the council's Housing and Property Scrutiny Committee.
She has written or contributed to a number of books on architecture and design, including on Javier Mariscal, and has worked on magazines including Building Design.

She is being very vocal about the present situation but very quiet about her past.
Even all her knowledge and connections maybe could have averted this tragedy.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Emma Dent
 Quoting: MySoul


See red above and now
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The MP has a lot to answer for!!!!!!11
What choice do I have but to be myself? Everyone else was already taken.

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Hmmm - I think it would be fair to say that the impression given by the media is that Grenfell Tower was a bit of a shabby shithole, full of immigrants on Housing benefit.

Take a look at this. It's a listing for a 2 bed flat in the Tower, which was available from May 2017.

Pretty luxurious by anyone's standards wouldn't you say?

[link to www.rightmove.co.uk]

Rent was £395 pw and it clearly says 'No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants' - somewhat ironic as it was an ex council/social housing block.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20574401


And again only specific flats were privately owned
 Quoting: Anderson_G


As far as we've been told.

RightMove were just about to run a TV ad campaign for this Tower. More info on link:

Thread: Another Look at Grenfell Tower. Not All As Shabby as We've Been Led to Believe!
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To the person who said it was lies about Residents being on the board of KCTMO:

The KCTMO Board is made up of 15 Members comprising of eight residents, four Council appointed members and three independent members.
[link to www.kctmo.org.uk]



More about Emma Dent Coad the newly elected MP.

She is a member of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.


She is an opposition member of Kensington and Chelsea London Borough Council, which owns Grenfell Tower, and was formerly a council-appointed board member of KCTMO, which manages the council's housing stock.
In 2013/4 she was a member of the council's Housing and Property Scrutiny Committee.
She has written or contributed to a number of books on architecture and design, including on Javier Mariscal, and has worked on magazines including Building Design.

She is being very vocal about the present situation but very quiet about her past.
Even all her knowledge and connections maybe could have averted this tragedy.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Emma Dent
 Quoting: MySoul


See red above and now
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

The MP has a lot to answer for!!!!!!11
 Quoting: MySoul


Anyone else find it odd that this disaster struck less than a week after Kensington elected its first ever Labour MP? As if it was punishment of some kind.
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Hmmm - I think it would be fair to say that the impression given by the media is that Grenfell Tower was a bit of a shabby shithole, full of immigrants on Housing benefit.

Take a look at this. It's a listing for a 2 bed flat in the Tower, which was available from May 2017.

Pretty luxurious by anyone's standards wouldn't you say?

[link to www.rightmove.co.uk]

Rent was £395 pw and it clearly says 'No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants' - somewhat ironic as it was an ex council/social housing block.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20574401


And again only specific flats were privately owned
 Quoting: Anderson_G


I think the whole tower had been empty
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Hmmm - I think it would be fair to say that the impression given by the media is that Grenfell Tower was a bit of a shabby shithole, full of immigrants on Housing benefit.

Take a look at this. It's a listing for a 2 bed flat in the Tower, which was available from May 2017.

Pretty luxurious by anyone's standards wouldn't you say?

[link to www.rightmove.co.uk]

Rent was £395 pw and it clearly says 'No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants' - somewhat ironic as it was an ex council/social housing block.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20574401


And again only specific flats were privately owned
 Quoting: Anderson_G


As far as we've been told.

RightMove were just about to run a TV ad campaign for this Tower. More info on link:

Thread: Another Look at Grenfell Tower. Not All As Shabby as We've Been Led to Believe!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20574401


its common for tower blocks to have the odd amount of private rental flats as it is for properties to exist on a rental market average of a normal street.

The flats were recently refurbished but private rental clients have a different spec dependant on the landlord requirement.

The issue isn't the condition of the flats the issue is more about the way people are treated because of class.

The issue is with the fact that critical fire safety materials and resources were absent, gas mains were left unboxed and non fire retarded alongside the only stair case in the block.

The residents had been asking for such issues to be resolved and concerns had been raised multiple times and fell on deaf ears.

That was the problem now that's escalated.
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Hmmm - I think it would be fair to say that the impression given by the media is that Grenfell Tower was a bit of a shabby shithole, full of immigrants on Housing benefit.

Take a look at this. It's a listing for a 2 bed flat in the Tower, which was available from May 2017.

Pretty luxurious by anyone's standards wouldn't you say?

[link to www.rightmove.co.uk]

Rent was £395 pw and it clearly says 'No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants' - somewhat ironic as it was an ex council/social housing block.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20574401


And again only specific flats were privately owned
 Quoting: Anderson_G


As far as we've been told.

RightMove were just about to run a TV ad campaign for this Tower. More info on link:

Thread: Another Look at Grenfell Tower. Not All As Shabby as We've Been Led to Believe!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20574401


its common for tower blocks to have the odd amount of private rental flats as it is for properties to exist on a rental market average of a normal street.

The flats were recently refurbished but private rental clients have a different spec dependant on the landlord requirement.

The issue isn't the condition of the flats the issue is more about the way people are treated because of class.

The issue is with the fact that critical fire safety materials and resources were absent, gas mains were left unboxed and non fire retarded alongside the only stair case in the block.

The residents had been asking for such issues to be resolved and concerns had been raised multiple times and fell on deaf ears.


That was the problem now that's escalated.
 Quoting: Anderson_G


Thing is, you're just repeating the story we've been told by the media.

I don't believe a major company like Right Move would be involved with and running an ad campaign for a building that wasn't up to grade with regard to fire safety.
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Hmmm - I think it would be fair to say that the impression given by the media is that Grenfell Tower was a bit of a shabby shithole, full of immigrants on Housing benefit.

Take a look at this. It's a listing for a 2 bed flat in the Tower, which was available from May 2017.

Pretty luxurious by anyone's standards wouldn't you say?

[link to www.rightmove.co.uk]

Rent was £395 pw and it clearly says 'No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants' - somewhat ironic as it was an ex council/social housing block.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20574401


And again only specific flats were privately owned
 Quoting: Anderson_G


I think the whole tower had been empty
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That thought had crossed my mind too. Nothing seems to add up with this whole story.
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UK readers and posters.

Coincidence? I've just got back from a friends house who lives near me but under a different council and she rents one of their properties.

On Friday she got a letter from her social housing landlord to say they will be doing an electrical safety check in her home and it will take approximately 4 hours. The bottom of the letter it says faulty or untested installations can cause damage to property or even serious injury.

This is the first time such a check has been carried out in the house and for 4 hours apart from the usual boiler and smoke alarm annual tests they do.

Am I jumping to conclusions by thinking this new 4 hour electric check has something to do with councils shitting themselves because of the London tower block fire.

Has anyone else who rents council property had a similar letter.
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And again only specific flats were privately owned
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As far as we've been told.

RightMove were just about to run a TV ad campaign for this Tower. More info on link:

Thread: Another Look at Grenfell Tower. Not All As Shabby as We've Been Led to Believe!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20574401


its common for tower blocks to have the odd amount of private rental flats as it is for properties to exist on a rental market average of a normal street.

The flats were recently refurbished but private rental clients have a different spec dependant on the landlord requirement.

The issue isn't the condition of the flats the issue is more about the way people are treated because of class.

The issue is with the fact that critical fire safety materials and resources were absent, gas mains were left unboxed and non fire retarded alongside the only stair case in the block.

The residents had been asking for such issues to be resolved and concerns had been raised multiple times and fell on deaf ears.


That was the problem now that's escalated.
 Quoting: Anderson_G


Thing is, you're just repeating the story we've been told by the media.

I don't believe a major company like Right Move would be involved with and running an ad campaign for a building that wasn't up to grade with regard to fire safety.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20574401


Its likely they're the only properties with smoke alarms, Rightmove is just a hub for adverts not an actual agent, believe me I've used all those sites in past I'm in social housing myself I know how it all works and I know how the housing and class system works.

And I'm repeating what's in the media because it was live TV I was watching and it was word of mouth that they couldn't water down and numerous times they panicked over language and views and even cut some people down as being conspiracy theorists.

Other reporters were actually firing these questions and views out to MPs and pen pushers involved too.
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UK readers and posters.

Coincidence? I've just got back from a friends house who lives near me but under a different council and she rents one of their properties.

On Friday she got a letter from her social housing landlord to say they will be doing an electrical safety check in her home and it will take approximately 4 hours. The bottom of the letter it says faulty or untested installations can cause damage to property or even serious injury.

This is the first time such a check has been carried out in the house and for 4 hours apart from the usual boiler and smoke alarm annual tests they do.

Am I jumping to conclusions by thinking this new 4 hour electric check has something to do with councils shitting themselves because of the London tower block fire.

Has anyone else who rents council property had a similar letter.
 Quoting: ThisWayUp


Aye they are panicking, we had a check recently ourselves prior to this fire our property is only 2 years old though so we are lucky on that front as within that time this property has undergone various inspections as it's passed hands from contractor to landlord, which have also carried out their own checks.

There will likely be a push to check all properties within social housing and I wouldn't be surprised if it would be added to private landlord legislative licensing requirements either.
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UK readers and posters.

Coincidence? I've just got back from a friends house who lives near me but under a different council and she rents one of their properties.

On Friday she got a letter from her social housing landlord to say they will be doing an electrical safety check in her home and it will take approximately 4 hours. The bottom of the letter it says faulty or untested installations can cause damage to property or even serious injury.

This is the first time such a check has been carried out in the house and for 4 hours apart from the usual boiler and smoke alarm annual tests they do.

Am I jumping to conclusions by thinking this new 4 hour electric check has something to do with councils shitting themselves because of the London tower block fire.

Has anyone else who rents council property had a similar letter.
 Quoting: ThisWayUp


Every council in the UK is going to reassure their tenants but the Kensington Council .... wow I dont know where to start really, to continue to ignore the residents of Grenfell and leave the offices for the weekend is disgusting. No one came out to talk to them ... the fact they have acted like they have says there is without a doubt a pile of guilt there.
Shame on them. I see there being arrests there before the year is out if the people of Grenfell keep their heads and no rioting takes place.
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And again only specific flats were privately owned
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As far as we've been told.

RightMove were just about to run a TV ad campaign for this Tower. More info on link:

Thread: Another Look at Grenfell Tower. Not All As Shabby as We've Been Led to Believe!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20574401


its common for tower blocks to have the odd amount of private rental flats as it is for properties to exist on a rental market average of a normal street.

The flats were recently refurbished but private rental clients have a different spec dependant on the landlord requirement.

The issue isn't the condition of the flats the issue is more about the way people are treated because of class.

The issue is with the fact that critical fire safety materials and resources were absent, gas mains were left unboxed and non fire retarded alongside the only stair case in the block.

The residents had been asking for such issues to be resolved and concerns had been raised multiple times and fell on deaf ears.


That was the problem now that's escalated.
 Quoting: Anderson_G


Thing is, you're just repeating the story we've been told by the media.

I don't believe a major company like Right Move would be involved with and running an ad campaign for a building that wasn't up to grade with regard to fire safety.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20574401


It's not just the media. On the Grenfell residents' website they repeatedly documented over the years how their concerns over fire safety were neglected. Also, Experts in cladding have said that the cladding is the more flammable type and the facts are that cladding is banned in many other countries for use on high rise buildings.
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I am with Tameside Council UK and have had very regular strict checks on my property in every dept. Infact I get fined if I dont keep appointments. I have always being a council tenant felt reassured in my properties with them regarding gas, electric, and structural renovations. I have had problems here and there with minor issues but health and safety have always been strict for me with my council. I moved into flats 2 yrs ago and it had been fitted with bran new wired modern firealarms and the fire service have been to inspect. The fire service have been to most of the properties I have rented through my council. I cant fault them at all and it is obvious the services within Tameside have good relations and work with eachother putting health and safety first. If any of them read this thank you.

My heart is with everyone who is in pain from the Grenfell area

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Coincidence? I've just got back from a friends house who lives near me but under a different council and she rents one of their properties.

On Friday she got a letter from her social housing landlord to say they will be doing an electrical safety check in her home and it will take approximately 4 hours. The bottom of the letter it says faulty or untested installations can cause damage to property or even serious injury.

This is the first time such a check has been carried out in the house and for 4 hours apart from the usual boiler and smoke alarm annual tests they do.

Am I jumping to conclusions by thinking this new 4 hour electric check has something to do with councils shitting themselves because of the London tower block fire.

Has anyone else who rents council property had a similar letter.
 Quoting: ThisWayUp


Aye they are panicking, we had a check recently ourselves prior to this fire our property is only 2 years old though so we are lucky on that front as within that time this property has undergone various inspections as it's passed hands from contractor to landlord, which have also carried out their own checks.

There will likely be a push to check all properties within social housing and I wouldn't be surprised if it would be added to private landlord legislative licensing requirements either.
 Quoting: Anderson_G


These checks the council are doing appear to be very prompt and urgent as she lives in a normal terraced house and not a block of flats or a tower which I thought would have been their first priority.
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UK readers and posters.

Coincidence? I've just got back from a friends house who lives near me but under a different council and she rents one of their properties.

On Friday she got a letter from her social housing landlord to say they will be doing an electrical safety check in her home and it will take approximately 4 hours. The bottom of the letter it says faulty or untested installations can cause damage to property or even serious injury.

This is the first time such a check has been carried out in the house and for 4 hours apart from the usual boiler and smoke alarm annual tests they do.

Am I jumping to conclusions by thinking this new 4 hour electric check has something to do with councils shitting themselves because of the London tower block fire.

Has anyone else who rents council property had a similar letter.
 Quoting: ThisWayUp


Every council in the UK is going to reassure their tenants but the Kensington Council .... wow I dont know where to start really, to continue to ignore the residents of Grenfell and leave the offices for the weekend is disgusting. No one came out to talk to them ... the fact they have acted like they have says there is without a doubt a pile of guilt there.
Shame on them. I see there being arrests there before the year is out if the people of Grenfell keep their heads and no rioting takes place.
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I was reading some kind of residents association blog earlier today about all the concerns they have had and which have been ignored over the years. It was quite alarming especially the letter from some office person telling them to remove their discriminating posts. It was a link from this site but I can't find it again to refer to.
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UK readers and posters.

Coincidence? I've just got back from a friends house who lives near me but under a different council and she rents one of their properties.

On Friday she got a letter from her social housing landlord to say they will be doing an electrical safety check in her home and it will take approximately 4 hours. The bottom of the letter it says faulty or untested installations can cause damage to property or even serious injury.

This is the first time such a check has been carried out in the house and for 4 hours apart from the usual boiler and smoke alarm annual tests they do.

Am I jumping to conclusions by thinking this new 4 hour electric check has something to do with councils shitting themselves because of the London tower block fire.

Has anyone else who rents council property had a similar letter.
 Quoting: ThisWayUp


Every council in the UK is going to reassure their tenants but the Kensington Council .... wow I dont know where to start really, to continue to ignore the residents of Grenfell and leave the offices for the weekend is disgusting. No one came out to talk to them ... the fact they have acted like they have says there is without a doubt a pile of guilt there.
Shame on them. I see there being arrests there before the year is out if the people of Grenfell keep their heads and no rioting takes place.
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I was reading some kind of residents association blog earlier today about all the concerns they have had and which have been ignored over the years. It was quite alarming especially the letter from some office person telling them to remove their discriminating posts. It was a link from this site but I can't find it again to refer to.
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They resorted to creating that blog because of all the years of writng to the council and getting nowhere. They could not have done anymore and it could not get any worse. My previous sentence should not even exist. :(
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Coincidence? I've just got back from a friends house who lives near me but under a different council and she rents one of their properties.

On Friday she got a letter from her social housing landlord to say they will be doing an electrical safety check in her home and it will take approximately 4 hours. The bottom of the letter it says faulty or untested installations can cause damage to property or even serious injury.

This is the first time such a check has been carried out in the house and for 4 hours apart from the usual boiler and smoke alarm annual tests they do.

Am I jumping to conclusions by thinking this new 4 hour electric check has something to do with councils shitting themselves because of the London tower block fire.

Has anyone else who rents council property had a similar letter.
 Quoting: ThisWayUp


Aye they are panicking, we had a check recently ourselves prior to this fire our property is only 2 years old though so we are lucky on that front as within that time this property has undergone various inspections as it's passed hands from contractor to landlord, which have also carried out their own checks.

There will likely be a push to check all properties within social housing and I wouldn't be surprised if it would be added to private landlord legislative licensing requirements either.
 Quoting: Anderson_G


These checks the council are doing appear to be very prompt and urgent as she lives in a normal terraced house and not a block of flats or a tower which I thought would have been their first priority.
 Quoting: ThisWayUp


The thing with council property is that a lot of the electrics and gas works tend to hitting the age and due refurbishment, and obviously the newer legislation 17th edition I think it is now for electrics needs to be used to update the electrics and those electrics already updated need to be checked again.

Ive lived in terraced houses before too, and they tend to be among the oldest properties in Britain some as old as 100yo, and I know from first hand the problems that exist in them can be worrying.

I think all social housing will get the full MOT considering what's gone on.
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To the person who said it was lies about Residents being on the board of KCTMO:

The KCTMO Board is made up of 15 Members comprising of eight residents, four Council appointed members and three independent members.
[link to www.kctmo.org.uk]



More about Emma Dent Coad the newly elected MP.

She is a member of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.


She is an opposition member of Kensington and Chelsea London Borough Council, which owns Grenfell Tower, and was formerly a council-appointed board member of KCTMO, which manages the council's housing stock.
In 2013/4 she was a member of the council's Housing and Property Scrutiny Committee.
She has written or contributed to a number of books on architecture and design, including on Javier Mariscal, and has worked on magazines including Building Design.

She is being very vocal about the present situation but very quiet about her past.
Even all her knowledge and connections maybe could have averted this tragedy.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Emma Dent
 Quoting: MySoul


See red above and now
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The MP has a lot to answer for!!!!!!11
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yeah, like being a man for starters!!!!

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Coincidence? I've just got back from a friends house who lives near me but under a different council and she rents one of their properties.

On Friday she got a letter from her social housing landlord to say they will be doing an electrical safety check in her home and it will take approximately 4 hours. The bottom of the letter it says faulty or untested installations can cause damage to property or even serious injury.

This is the first time such a check has been carried out in the house and for 4 hours apart from the usual boiler and smoke alarm annual tests they do.

Am I jumping to conclusions by thinking this new 4 hour electric check has something to do with councils shitting themselves because of the London tower block fire.

Has anyone else who rents council property had a similar letter.
 Quoting: ThisWayUp


Aye they are panicking, we had a check recently ourselves prior to this fire our property is only 2 years old though so we are lucky on that front as within that time this property has undergone various inspections as it's passed hands from contractor to landlord, which have also carried out their own checks.

There will likely be a push to check all properties within social housing and I wouldn't be surprised if it would be added to private landlord legislative licensing requirements either.
 Quoting: Anderson_G


These checks the council are doing appear to be very prompt and urgent as she lives in a normal terraced house and not a block of flats or a tower which I thought would have been their first priority.
 Quoting: ThisWayUp


The thing with council property is that a lot of the electrics and gas works tend to hitting the age and due refurbishment, and obviously the newer legislation 17th edition I think it is now for electrics needs to be used to update the electrics and those electrics already updated need to be checked again.

Ive lived in terraced houses before too, and they tend to be among the oldest properties in Britain some as old as 100yo, and I know from first hand the problems that exist in them can be worrying.

I think all social housing will get the full MOT considering what's gone on.
 Quoting: Anderson_G


It is the right thing to do isn't it. Fire crews should also work with the council and tenants on regular evacuation drills on tower blocks because they would learn so much so fast if they did this nationwide. The people in these towers will feel far more confident in knowing what to do if fires do occur. Why practice drills on empty set up buildings when you can practice drills on the real thing.
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Fire investigation report into Grenfell Tower inferno may not be made public for YEARS

MPs and protestors called for urgent answers as to why the fire spread so quickly

But London fire service say report will not be published until inquest is over




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Aye they are panicking, we had a check recently ourselves prior to this fire our property is only 2 years old though so we are lucky on that front as within that time this property has undergone various inspections as it's passed hands from contractor to landlord, which have also carried out their own checks.

There will likely be a push to check all properties within social housing and I wouldn't be surprised if it would be added to private landlord legislative licensing requirements either.
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These checks the council are doing appear to be very prompt and urgent as she lives in a normal terraced house and not a block of flats or a tower which I thought would have been their first priority.
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The thing with council property is that a lot of the electrics and gas works tend to hitting the age and due refurbishment, and obviously the newer legislation 17th edition I think it is now for electrics needs to be used to update the electrics and those electrics already updated need to be checked again.

Ive lived in terraced houses before too, and they tend to be among the oldest properties in Britain some as old as 100yo, and I know from first hand the problems that exist in them can be worrying.

I think all social housing will get the full MOT considering what's gone on.
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It is the right thing to do isn't it. Fire crews should also work with the council and tenants on regular evacuation drills on tower blocks because they would learn so much so fast if they did this nationwide. The people in these towers will feel far more confident in knowing what to do if fires do occur. Why practice drills on empty set up buildings when you can practice drills on the real thing.
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It is the right thing to do yes.

In defence of the firefighters they don't have the manpower or funding to do regular drills or run campaigns.

But the politicians are OK for a 11% pay rise.
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Chatter about over 500 missing possibly dead. Dunno how accurate

Seems a bit much

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UK readers and posters.

Coincidence? I've just got back from a friends house who lives near me but under a different council and she rents one of their properties.

On Friday she got a letter from her social housing landlord to say they will be doing an electrical safety check in her home and it will take approximately 4 hours. The bottom of the letter it says faulty or untested installations can cause damage to property or even serious injury.

This is the first time such a check has been carried out in the house and for 4 hours apart from the usual boiler and smoke alarm annual tests they do.

Am I jumping to conclusions by thinking this new 4 hour electric check has something to do with councils shitting themselves because of the London tower block fire.

Has anyone else who rents council property had a similar letter.
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Electrical surges were reported weeks before fire
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These checks the council are doing appear to be very prompt and urgent as she lives in a normal terraced house and not a block of flats or a tower which I thought would have been their first priority.
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The thing with council property is that a lot of the electrics and gas works tend to hitting the age and due refurbishment, and obviously the newer legislation 17th edition I think it is now for electrics needs to be used to update the electrics and those electrics already updated need to be checked again.

Ive lived in terraced houses before too, and they tend to be among the oldest properties in Britain some as old as 100yo, and I know from first hand the problems that exist in them can be worrying.

I think all social housing will get the full MOT considering what's gone on.
 Quoting: Anderson_G


It is the right thing to do isn't it. Fire crews should also work with the council and tenants on regular evacuation drills on tower blocks because they would learn so much so fast if they did this nationwide. The people in these towers will feel far more confident in knowing what to do if fires do occur. Why practice drills on empty set up buildings when you can practice drills on the real thing.
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It is the right thing to do yes.

In defence of the firefighters they don't have the manpower or funding to do regular drills or run campaigns.

But the politicians are OK for a 11% pay rise.
 Quoting: Anderson_G


I wish I could create a law where the working people of the UK could have a choice of what exactly their taxes are situated by the government they choose. The trillions that have been spent on wars and weapons compared to the our services and authorities and our country would be as shameful as Grenfell I think. I would choose my taxes for an army that defends and a system that does not have to worry about the services it provides. Police and Firecrews would not be laid off !! The NHS would be 50 years in front financially and care for elders along with pensions would never have any concerns.
I really think there should be some type of program that enables the people choose where their taxes go.
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It amuses me that these hoaxtards believe they live in a world where no one dies a violent death, ever.
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If only it were true
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Of course some people die in a violent way. That's a fact.

The storylines the corporate media put out with these staged events are pure fiction.

As well as the complete lack of independent footage you have so called witnesses, clearly reading from a script. The usual no emotion, some of them even smiling/giggling and all of them perfectly clean and tidy.

As usual, how could the corporate media within a day, name or know how many allegedly died?

Where are the photos of all the many ambulances who logically would have been at the scene?

And of course the usual 'hero' stories. This one from an alleged fireman who was also allegedly one of the first on the scene at the 7/7 bombing. Funny that eh? Another over used storyline of theirs. 7/7 was also a staged production, full of ridiculous photoshopped pictures - as all of these events are.

[link to www.thesun.co.uk (secure)]

And then there's the stories of children/babies being thrown out of windows and miraculously neatly caught five/ten storeys down.

It's all bullshit.
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Honestly, there are retards and there are retards, you are a fucking idiot of a retard.

I literally drive past that tower every day you can clearly see it visibly from the A40

The thing was ablaze on the morning I was going to work they hadnt closed the roads yet until that evening and I saw the fucking thing with my own eyes.

The A40 was open the following day and you can see the burnt out shell of the building.

Seriously, grow a fucking pair and head down there and see the people and tell them they are all crisis actors.

I reckon you might last 2 minutes before being torn apart and I would laugh my ass off.

Buildings catch fire, its a matter of fact. This one just seems to be one bad fuck up after another that has led to a massive loss of life.

I don't understand why you seem to think this is a hoax?
I honestly don't get that line of thinking?
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It amuses me that these hoaxtards believe they live in a world where no one dies a violent death, ever.
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If only it were true
 Quoting: Anderson_G


Of course some people die in a violent way. That's a fact.

The storylines the corporate media put out with these staged events are pure fiction.

As well as the complete lack of independent footage you have so called witnesses, clearly reading from a script. The usual no emotion, some of them even smiling/giggling and all of them perfectly clean and tidy.

As usual, how could the corporate media within a day, name or know how many allegedly died?

Where are the photos of all the many ambulances who logically would have been at the scene?

And of course the usual 'hero' stories. This one from an alleged fireman who was also allegedly one of the first on the scene at the 7/7 bombing. Funny that eh? Another over used storyline of theirs. 7/7 was also a staged production, full of ridiculous photoshopped pictures - as all of these events are.

[link to www.thesun.co.uk (secure)]

And then there's the stories of children/babies being thrown out of windows and miraculously neatly caught five/ten storeys down.

It's all bullshit.
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Honestly, there are retards and there are retards, you are a fucking idiot of a retard.

I literally drive past that tower every day you can clearly see it visibly from the A40

The thing was ablaze on the morning I was going to work they hadnt closed the roads yet until that evening and I saw the fucking thing with my own eyes.

The A40 was open the following day and you can see the burnt out shell of the building.

Seriously, grow a fucking pair and head down there and see the people and tell them they are all crisis actors.

I reckon you might last 2 minutes before being torn apart and I would laugh my ass off.

Buildings catch fire, its a matter of fact. This one just seems to be one bad fuck up after another that has led to a massive loss of life.

I don't understand why you seem to think this is a hoax?
I honestly don't get that line of thinking?
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You are living in Narnia you lunatic.
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Chatter about over 500 missing possibly dead. Dunno how accurate

Seems a bit much
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I think they estimate that there were about 500 people in the building. The figures they are putting out don't add up because with the amount of people in hospital, with the dead they have already confirmed, and the people accounted for that got out or were rescued seems to place the amount at between 300-350 meaning some 150-200 are missing.

I stopped by there today just to have a look around and the amount of pictures of missing people are a lot more then the 58 the police are saying.

But it's hard to gauge the true figure because they know who's in hospital and who's been found, so some of those pictures might be people they already located.

I think they are drip feeding the figures to try and keep a lid on the anger.

There is DEFINITELY a lot of tension in the area.
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If only it were true
 Quoting: Anderson_G


Of course some people die in a violent way. That's a fact.

The storylines the corporate media put out with these staged events are pure fiction.

As well as the complete lack of independent footage you have so called witnesses, clearly reading from a script. The usual no emotion, some of them even smiling/giggling and all of them perfectly clean and tidy.

As usual, how could the corporate media within a day, name or know how many allegedly died?

Where are the photos of all the many ambulances who logically would have been at the scene?

And of course the usual 'hero' stories. This one from an alleged fireman who was also allegedly one of the first on the scene at the 7/7 bombing. Funny that eh? Another over used storyline of theirs. 7/7 was also a staged production, full of ridiculous photoshopped pictures - as all of these events are.

[link to www.thesun.co.uk (secure)]

And then there's the stories of children/babies being thrown out of windows and miraculously neatly caught five/ten storeys down.

It's all bullshit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72747881


Honestly, there are retards and there are retards, you are a fucking idiot of a retard.

I literally drive past that tower every day you can clearly see it visibly from the A40

The thing was ablaze on the morning I was going to work they hadnt closed the roads yet until that evening and I saw the fucking thing with my own eyes.

The A40 was open the following day and you can see the burnt out shell of the building.

Seriously, grow a fucking pair and head down there and see the people and tell them they are all crisis actors.

I reckon you might last 2 minutes before being torn apart and I would laugh my ass off.

Buildings catch fire, its a matter of fact. This one just seems to be one bad fuck up after another that has led to a massive loss of life.

I don't understand why you seem to think this is a hoax?
I honestly don't get that line of thinking?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74640871


You are living in Narnia you lunatic.
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Why are people saying this never happened ! They are living in cuckoo land ...
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If only it were true
 Quoting: Anderson_G


Of course some people die in a violent way. That's a fact.

The storylines the corporate media put out with these staged events are pure fiction.

As well as the complete lack of independent footage you have so called witnesses, clearly reading from a script. The usual no emotion, some of them even smiling/giggling and all of them perfectly clean and tidy.

As usual, how could the corporate media within a day, name or know how many allegedly died?

Where are the photos of all the many ambulances who logically would have been at the scene?

And of course the usual 'hero' stories. This one from an alleged fireman who was also allegedly one of the first on the scene at the 7/7 bombing. Funny that eh? Another over used storyline of theirs. 7/7 was also a staged production, full of ridiculous photoshopped pictures - as all of these events are.

[link to www.thesun.co.uk (secure)]

And then there's the stories of children/babies being thrown out of windows and miraculously neatly caught five/ten storeys down.

It's all bullshit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72747881


Honestly, there are retards and there are retards, you are a fucking idiot of a retard.

I literally drive past that tower every day you can clearly see it visibly from the A40

The thing was ablaze on the morning I was going to work they hadnt closed the roads yet until that evening and I saw the fucking thing with my own eyes.

The A40 was open the following day and you can see the burnt out shell of the building.

Seriously, grow a fucking pair and head down there and see the people and tell them they are all crisis actors.

I reckon you might last 2 minutes before being torn apart and I would laugh my ass off.

Buildings catch fire, its a matter of fact. This one just seems to be one bad fuck up after another that has led to a massive loss of life.

I don't understand why you seem to think this is a hoax?
I honestly don't get that line of thinking?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74640871


You are living in Narnia you lunatic.
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